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  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    Flashing ANYthing behind a LLC might just be useless. They have to be using their mirrors first.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    I"m 100% absolutely positive that LLCing is the single biggest problem in all ways on our roadways today.

    I'm 100% absolutely positive that you are wrong. I would rather deal with a LLC than someone who rides my rear end simply becaus s/he thinks that I am going to slow and its their God given righ to drive as fast as they want.

    I do believe that the last time I had to deal with a LLC I was safer than when I had to deal with the guy who was riding my rear end way to close simply because he thought that me doing slightly more than 40 MPH in a 35 MPH was to slow.

    Its when some self rightous people who think they have to teach a LLC a lesson is when it get dangerous. Guess who makes it dangerous? Its the guy who tailgates, its the guy who cuts off the LLC, its the guy who get agressive in dealing with the LLC. That person has a choice and the make a poor choice.

    It's a number 1 priority to correct!

    No the number one priority is to correct those who act agressively simply because someone else doesn't drive like they think they should drive.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    It must be nice to have 100% certainty.

    I would venture that the number one priority is to make your own driving as safe and courteous as possible, because that is the one area where you have control.

    But that's just my opinion... I'm not quite 100% certain. :P
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2011
    I am more than not, a "right lane camper". Funny thing as a right lane camper, I am very seldom tailgated. What happens, more oftern than not are the "more" left lane campers who feel since they are going "faster"(actually in a "faster" lane actually going SLOW are just fine with cutting in front of me and slowing down, the majority of the time without signaling, effectively cutting me off (less than half a second to 24 in from my nose).

    Now, once in a while I can understand someone misjudging (time, distance, exit, whatever) and cutting over WAY too LATE. However, just as more often than not, there is literally no one behince me for an 1/8 to 1 mile back. If I have to explain what this means, perhaps one is too locked on pitbull style to ones' opinion. Or perhps more likely than not does not travel much in the 3 and 4 lanes of a 4 lane freeway.
  • shriftyshrifty Member Posts: 255
    Based on your post, it sounds as if you have never encountered an aggressive LLC. My experience is the complete opposite, where in fact the LLC tends to be very aggressive.

    Probably the worst was the guy in a mini-van in the left lane doing about 50 initially, then sped up to 95-100 as I was approaching on the right. I ended up at 105 before moving over to the left lane! As soon as I got in front, he flashed his lights and the slowed back to 50, while I then slowed back down to 65. Completely stupid I know, but I'd rather not follow him at 50 for the rest of the day, or until he decided to exit.

    I should also mention the countless LLCs that have brake checked me as well. Funny how LLCs think that everyone else is aggressive....
  • shriftyshrifty Member Posts: 255
    edited May 2011
    Flash? I just leave the high beams on until they move. This is after they've set up the campsite and have the fire lit and are roasting marshmallows for some time. Speed up, move over or slow down is fine with me, just don't camp directly beside someone or in their blind spot!
  • shriftyshrifty Member Posts: 255
    I am definitely an RLC. On a section of the PA turnpike, I started to get annoyed with someone who was driving in the right lane! Typically this is my own personal lane as I never see anyone in it, not complaining! I was wondering what they were doing there, until it then dawned on me that this was the correct lane to travel in. It was the first time in years that I've seen anyone in the right lane at this point, they are all camped in the left or center, regardless of how many cars are on the road or how slow it is traveling.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Seriously, I think you need to think about what you are saying here.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,411
    Eating while driving needs to be held at the same level as texting. It's simply not defendable.

    Not a big fan of drinking (alcohol not included) or smoking while driving either.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,411
    Good point. These aren't people who care about situational awareness. They are driving, and the simple act of moving a car down their road has their brain utilized 110%.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Best thing to do is follow behind them at a reasonable distance until you can safely pass them then do so without being agressive. It truely doesn't cost you much time. Plus it will help prevent ulcers.

    Have to agree with snake here on most responsible and adult behaviour.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    I"m 100% absolutely positive that LLCing is the single biggest problem in all ways on our roadways today.

    Disagree. Biggest problem is cell phone drivers and texting drivers. IDIOTS.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Its when some self rightous people who think they have to teach a LLC a lesson is when it get dangerous. Guess who makes it dangerous? Its the guy who tailgates, its the guy who cuts off the LLC, its the guy who get agressive in dealing with the LLC. That person has a choice and the make a poor choice.

    Got to agree with the snake again.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Eating while driving needs to be held at the same level as texting. It's simply not defendable.

    Depends. A big mac or a big breakfast is totally irresponsible. However, with a bag of pretzels or cookies in the center console one can safely grab one of these without looking and put in mouth with right hand. Kind of like using the right hand to shift a manual speed transmission which is legal.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Totally agree. Cell phones should be banned totally and texting should be a felony.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Cell phones should be banned totally and texting should be a felony.

    My kind of town nearby in ILL, Chicago, is considering a law that would require providers to block texting in moving vehicles. Technology of software/hardware could easily be made to block both cell calls and texting in moving vehicles. BUT, would easily guess that cell providers would be against this because it would cut down on their revenues. They could block all calls/texting, but allow 911 calls to go through in moving vehicle. When you think of pre-cell phone age, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason in the world to think that cell calls in moving vehicles (except 911) are a "must have".
  • shriftyshrifty Member Posts: 255
    This would be nice to see enforced nationwide. If I ever need to make a call, I pull over with a wide enough shoulder (or exit to a parking lot) and make the call.

    the technology should be easy to implement. Since many phones have GPS, anything over 15 MPH should send all calls straight to voicemail.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    How does the technology know when I am driving and when I am just a passenger, or on the bus, or on a train?

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    What I'd rather have is technology that makes your DW shut up while you're driving, and also makes kids totally silent and well-behaved in the car. Someone chattering in your ear (expecting a response) and kids acting up in back can be very distracting to a driver.

    In other words... we can't depend on electronic nannies to replace or enforce what should be common sense. Simply DON'T TEXT WHILE DRIVING!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,411
    Good point, until that bag of dry snacks spills and the driver glances down and wipes out.

    I hate distracted driving as much as anyone, but IMO, in the end, it's the driver who makes the decision to be distracted. There should be a much more rigorous drivers education/training system that clues in the ignorant to realize that driving is not the place for playing with gadgets or food.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,411
    Not to mention I can guarantee a 14 year old software modifier will be able to crack that system in 20 minutes.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    So true, in the last few decades I have been in a few low speed accidents when I was rear ended by a distracted driver. In every case the distraction was not an electrical device. It was kids in the back seat, things along side the road, that kind of stuff.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2011
    Indeed I don't think many folks would have an issue with that guy doing 50 and going to 95-100 in the far RIGHT lane !!!! The whole issue was, is, and remains the concept of "KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS".
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2011
    Well lets see, how does a cell phone know when to lock on and switch cell towers?
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Well lets see, how does a cell phone know when to lock on and switch cell towers?

    Simple, it knows to lock on ans switch when it gets a stronger signal from another tower.

    Now how does that answer my question on how the technology knows when I am driving as opposed to being a passenger or on a bus or train?

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2011
    The answer is actually pretty scary. One HUGE reason why stuff like cellphones are a two edge sword. Smartest thing to do is to turn them off when driving.

    But at the same time, I have a couple of cars set up that one can have almost a full conference call meeting and watch a full presentation while sitting in the car.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    edited May 2011
    who rides my rear end simply becaus s/he thinks that I am going to slow and its their God given righ to drive as fast as they want.

    They can't ride your bumper unless your impeding traffic illegally in some mannner. You are attacking the chicken but you need to be attacking the egg.

    Its the guy who tailgates, its the guy who cuts off the LLC, its the guy who get agressive in dealing with the LLC. That person has a choice and the make a poor choice.

    Actually, the correct way to state that would be:

    It's the guy who LLC's, it's the guy who blocks traffic thereby creating a line of cars behind them, it's the aggressive LLC who angers 5 or more cars behind them when they could just as easily make the correct, right, solid, and proper choice of moving right. The poor choice is the one who impedes.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    edited May 2011
    Basically with a wide center meridian, they had one "radar" GUNNER car set up and two chase cars in either direction. Sort of like that TOP GUN movie where Tom Cruise say I'll hook em (gun em) and his GIB (guy in back) says and I'll clean em and fry em, ah ha. So a victim (customer) gets gunned and a free chase car nails him.

    That's not such a bad way to get a ticket. It is highly defendable in court. You can make BOTH officers get off the roads for hours at a time by taking it to court. Now both officer's have to show up at trial to testify against you or case dismissed! One officer can't provide hearsay testimony for the other in court. They must both show up. Good strategy if you ever get nailed by an "airplane" enforcement that they threaten to do in CA. I don't think they've been doing it since gas prices jumped.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    edited May 2011
    Flash? I just leave the high beams on until they move.

    That strategy seems to be especially effective on aggressive LLCers.

    It is highly effective, especially at night, to just leave on the high beams until they move over. I've found that to be one of my newer more effective strategies, thankfully, I dont run into AGGRESSIVE LLC's too TOO often.

    It seems to irritate the heck out of them! I've earned a finger doing that.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited May 2011
    The airplane thing is almost random nowadays. Shoot I don't even think I have seen aircraft enforcement since I was a kid and that was before I drove @ 15 1/2 years old. So safely, that is 45 years ago. They still have aircraft but I think the CHP uses it to fly CHP executives around or for use in specialized applications. It is still the last frontier one can go 100+ mph and NOT have anyone yammering about you. Do it on the taxpayers nickel also. :shades: :sick: :lemon:
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    They can't ride your bumper unless your impeding traffic illegally in some mannner.

    What a joke! I can't count how many times someone has ridden my bumper when I've been legally cruising along at or above the limit--and not in the left lane. Or when I'm passing someone and I'm not going as fast as the car behind me would like me to go. All it takes is someone who wants to go faster than the car ahead of him/her, and with an aggressive driving style that makes the jerk think he/she can simply push the car ahead out of the way by riding their bumper.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    edited May 2011
    " I've earned a finger doing that"

    I suspect you are young and without many street smarts at this point in your life.

    In a lot of areas, a bullet could well replace that finger.

    Seriously, you are asking for trouble in your zeal to "teach people lessons".

    You never know the history of the mental state of that other driver and you don't know what he may have lying on the front seat next to him.

    You really need to come to grips with reality and learn to roll with the punches.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    This might be off topic to your issue, but curiously the NHSTA does not keep or probably more to the point I can't find statistics (trends, top 5 etc) on which lanes and/or conditions that experience the most accidents.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    Or when I'm passing someone and I'm not going as fast as the car behind me would like me to go.

    If you are passing at a reasonably faster speed then the car to the right, then the person behind you should allow you reasonable time to pass.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    If eating is to be banned for drivers in the name of safety, then drinking while driving--i.e. drinking ANYTHING--must be made illegal also. Picking up a drink is just as distracting if not more so than picking up a piece of food. Also, there is the danger of a major distraction if there's a spill of a drink, especially a hot one. Ever think why European cars never had cupholders until the US market demanded them?

    Also we need to consider banning playing of music while driving. Ever see someone grooving to the music on their stereo, oblivious to everything? Or how about the drivers who have stereos so loud that there is no way they could hear an emergency vehicle approaching, or a horn honking a warning to them?

    Yep... need to ban absolutely everything that might distract a driver.

    Or, just use common sense.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Yes they should. But some drivers think 90 in a 70 zone is a reasonable speed for the left lane.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Indeed. I am sure you would also agree that there is a rubber ruler here used to measure that.

    I try to take 10 seconds (goal) to overtake, pass, and return to the lane I was proceding (4/4 lanes) . I am sure the majority of folks (95%+) don't even know that.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    They can't ride your bumper unless your impeding traffic illegally in some mannner.

    If that ain't hogwash i don't know what is. OK so what is it about me doing 5 MPH over the speed limit that makes me illegally impeding traffic?

    what is it about me being behind a long line of cars thats moving along nicely that makes me illegally impeding trafiic?

    Just because I am being tailgated doesn't mean I am illegally impeding traffic.

    Actually, the correct way to state that would be:

    No that would not be the correct statement simply because you choose how to react to the LLC. If you react aggressively towards the LLC it's your choice and you are making the road more dangerous. This doesn't excuse the LLC but it does put the blame where the blame belongs.

    If you are patient and pass the LLC when you can do safely and do so without making some sort of agressive actions towards the LLCer you don't make a bad situation much worse.

    Again it's your choice, you apparently choose to make the situation more dangerous while I choose not to.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    It is highly effective, especially at night, to just leave on the high beams until they move over.

    I hope its not so effective that it blinds the person and they can't see where they are going and run off the road and get killed or kill someone.

    I have light sensitive eyes which means I can see real well at night. Come up behind me on a dark night and hit your high beams I may not be able to see infront of me. If that happens I'll lock up my brakes. I rather you rear end me and be the cause of the accident than me hit someone I couldn't see because you are inconsiderate.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Yep... need to ban absolutely everything that might distract a driver.

    I guess you would need to black out all the windows too because that hot young lady wearing real short shorts is very distracting. :blush:

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Well, at least we'd have to ban those billboards with nearly-naked people on them. ;)
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    I have light sensitive eyes which means I can see real well at night. Come up behind me on a dark night and hit your high beams I may not be able to see infront of me. If that happens I'll lock up my brakes.

    Seriously? I mean, come-on, seriously ??? :confuse:

    If that is truly the case, you should not be driving at night. It's too hazardous for you and other drivers who encounter your vehicle. :sick:
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Seriously? I mean, come-on, seriously ???

    Seriously, when I get up in the middle of the night I can get around the house very well as even in the night I can see everything well enough to tell where and what it is. I usually drive with the dash board lights turned way down.

    If that is truly the case, you should not be driving at night. It's too hazardous for you and other drivers who encounter your vehicle.

    Why? I usually don't have any problems unless it's some jerk with high beams on. If they are approaching me its easy, just keep to the right of the blinding white lights. The only real issue is with idiots right behind me with the brights on.

    In reality I am actually safer because I can more easy make out things beyond the reach of my headlights and to the sides. Thats why my friends like it when I do the driving at night.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    Thats why my friends like it when I do the driving at night.

    And they are not bothered when you lock up your wheels each time some jerk hits you with his high beams? Okay, fine, whatever.

    I was just thinking that you had slightly overstated your reaction for dramatic effect. I forgot to whom I was replying. Please forgive me. :blush:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,411
    You lock up your brakes when you see bright lights? :P
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,411
    "Ever think why European cars never had cupholders until the US market demanded them? "

    Excellent point.

    Driving is for driving.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    And they are not bothered when you lock up your wheels each time some jerk hits you with his high beams?

    Tell me, how many times in say, the last 50 years, as someone rode up up behind you and hit the high beams?

    I was just thinking that you had slightly overstated your reaction for dramatic effect.

    Maybe I did overstate it, but then maybe not. Fact is what would you do if you were driving around and suddenly went blind?

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    You lock up your brakes when you see bright lights?

    No, but if I suddenly can't see where I am going (remember this is in response to someone talking about getting behind someone going slower then them and keeping your high beams on) I am going to stop.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,411
    Scary panic reaction.

    That could get a whole new subject going - how the roads will look as the boomers become oldsters. Not a nice thought.
  • jwilliams2jwilliams2 Member Posts: 910
    No, but if I suddenly can't see where I am going (remember this is in response to someone talking about getting behind someone going slower then them and keeping your high beams on) I am going to stop.

    Since when is it safe to stop in the interstate highway because someone has their bright lights on? I can't imagine anyone doing that. It would probably cause one of those massive pileups you read about.

    I would suggest you buy a car with auto-dimming mirrors. Either that, or stay home at night!
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