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Since when is it safe to tailgate someone with your brights on?
Also since when is it safe to keep going when you've been blinded by some idiot tailgating you with their brights on?
I would suggest you buy a car with auto-dimming mirrors. Either that, or stay home at night!
Mirrors are not the problem, the glare from the high beams flooding your car is. But then someone like me would suggest NOT TAILGATING WITH HIGHBEAMS ON.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Tailgating is not safe. Driving with the bright lights on is inconsiderate. I do neither, although I see it all the time here in the Northeast. Stopping on a highway in traffic is moronic. And potentially deadly. Please drive safely. And no need to shout. :shades:
In Europe where driving is more evolved, cars have had rear fog lights for eons...not understood on the dumbed down side of the pond.
This is particularly annoying when passing them on the right, since the pattern of most headlights is stronger to the right. I generally just speed up a bit to put some distance between us.
But what is poor Snakeweasel to do?
Of course, I am watching out the window at the cars going by. And see a jacked up dodge turning in, but looking odd (and seeing sparks coming from the back). after it comes down the ramp (and turns the opposite way from me), I see that it is all listed over toward the left rear.
No, not driving on a flat. Driving on the brake rotor or wheel hub.
yes, the wheel/tire is in the bed, and the dimwit was dragging it along like that. listing like heck, since it had a large lift, and hugely oversized tires.
he stopped shortly after getting into the lot, and when I left there was a cop parked behind him (probably trying to figure out what to charge him with!), and there was a puddle under the truck, probably brake fluid.
It takes all kinds.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Here is a suggestion from Corey Hart....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_HlTGzkKeE
I would certainly not do this to anyone driving in the right lane, oncoming traffic (unless they don't turn their highs off after I have already switched to low beams), or to someone who is in the process of passing or about to pass.
I try to treat everyone with the respect they deserve, with the exception of the LLC as they deserve none in my opinion.
OK, I know that's not what the "LLC" means. Good for a yuk, though.
Seriously, though, one thing to keep in mind about LLC... there are situations in which the left lane is NOT the passing lane. Hopefully drivers keep that in mind when they encounter someone driving slower than they'd like in the left lane.
LOL. Ain't that the truth of the problem.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
But I would wager the LLCs are generally the less skilled - usually of a demographic with diminished reaction times and situational awareness.
On this note, there should be special testing and license endorsements for driving vehicles of certain weight and size classes. No more half blind 85 year olds driving 40 foot motorhomes or airheaded 23 year olds driving the largest rental moving truck.
But I do agree, I keep this in mind.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Also had terrible traffic yesterday, due to the sun I think - people were driving SLOW, which caused bottlenecks. Highlight in the congestion was a [non-permissible content removed] X5 trying to weave through traffic and always getting caught at lights. A mile of it might have gained him 2 car lengths. Lawyer or financial criminal, I can't decide :shades:
It is if anyone behind you wants to do 6 MPH over the speed limit, or more. Don't be illegal, let them pass. Slower traffic move right, regardless of speed or MPH over the limit.
The brights come on for the relentless LLCer who doesn't know how to get out of the way. He or she definitely has it coming. If you slam on your brakes, you'll be easier to pass!
I'll let the idiot behind me rearend you as I go on my merry way.
Second place - [non-permissible content removed] in a dirty Grand Cherokee who honked at a woman in a Prius after she honked at him - as he tried to get out of a turn only lane without looking and nearly hit her. Some vehicles and their drivers. Also too many loud lifted trucks out today, and headache inducing droning Nissan/Infiniti V6s.
So I should start doing speed limit?
What if there is no place to pull over?
Face it, in that situation I am not illegally impeding traffic
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
if you get high beam flashed or "permanently lit up" you had it coming, you deserved it, and you asked for it.
Andre forgets the Speed Limit sign trumps his Keep Right sign. He promotes exceeding the limit while proclaiming LLC is illegal. You can't have it both ways. The traffic laws are not subject to cafeteria selection of which to obey and which to ignore.
Why should a LLC yield to a driver behind him with such an attitude? True, both the LLC and the Speeder are breaking the law, but the fine for speeding is a lot more than $124.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Well, LEOs or their less than accountable superiors select what to enforce and what not...
And if I am not mistaken, many speeding fines are indeed lower than $124, in WA anyway.
I have shown you info from the WSP and quoted the RCWs that state, in Washington, this is simply NOT true. The speed limit does NOT trump the keep right sign.
While I don't agree with Andres aggressive behavior, in Washington, if you are driving 5 over in the left lane on a multilane highway and you are holding someone up, you are breaking the law and can get a ticket.
IMHO I wasn't LLCing, but in his mind I was.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
I'm with you on this one. If you're passing people, then that's just the speed of the fast lane at that time and place. Long as you make your pass in a reasonable amount of time, and move over when it's safe to let faster traffic by.
It all boils down to one thing... Keep right except to pass!
A cop would never drive so poorly and illegally so as to draw the ire of my high beam tactics
However, if a cop did drive that badly, then he is the one that deserves the ticket, and I'm just illuminating the way for the cop behind me to ticket the cop in front of me.
Oh, how lame that "professional courtesy" is extended to all law enforcement and firefighters so that they never get any tickets.
No it doesn't. They are both laws and one doesn't take precedent over the other. The keep right let faster traffic pass on the left laws say nothing about excluding the requirement if your driving the speed limit.
Why should a LLC yield to a driver behind him with such an attitude? True, both the LLC and the Speeder are breaking the law, but the fine for speeding is a lot more than $124.
Not really, I got a speeding ticket not long ago which wasnt much more than $124 (I think $168) and that's with all of CA's ridiculous fees and costs thrown on top of the fine. As long as you don't get written up for 15 or more over the SL and dont' have points on your record, it'll be low cost on the fine. The high cost comes from the insurance scam of having your rates go up for irrelevant tickets. Of course you can avoid that by paying a bribe to the gov't and court of "traffic school fees" of around $50 and also to the judges son's ran traffic school fee of anywhere from $20 to $60.
Car B is happy to follow A because the lane is smoother & keeps up with A's speed. Car B doesn't feel guilty about his position because he believes Cars C & D must wait their turn. Meanwhile Car B, happy where he is, does not make any road rage communication with Car A.
Is this Double LLC and what can you do about it while in Car D?
What if there is no place to pull over?
First answer is no, you should not slow down unless your intent is to move over immediately to the right, but even so, better to speed up with the pass and let others pass after you.
Second answer is if there is no place to pull over you must be talkinga bout a one lane highway (or 2 lanes if you consider oncoming traffic). In that situation simply get out of the way at the nearest turnout.
Hard to believe you had to pass 1 full mile of trucks before you could find a spot to let him pass. It would be more believable if it was 1/2 mile.
But, if your going 85, then your passing each and every truck fairly quickly, so in this case, your reasonable, as long as you didn't slow to 84 while he was riding you (in order to conserve gas I'm sure :P )
All tickets are relevent in the eyes of the law. It is NOT a scam when the insurance companies use different driving records to charge different premiums for a wide range of quality drivers. Insurance is a risk transfer process you need & the law requires financial responsibility. In WA, you can drive w/o FR, but it is against the law to be involved in a crash w/o FR. Ignorance believes: (If it is highly technical & not understood, it must be a scam.)
Your credit rating is also a rating factor in computing your premium = good.
If your in a Corvette doing 139 MPH, and I'm in an R8 doing 149 MPH, it's still your legal duty to move over to the right and allow faster traffic to pass, get it?
Now as to your ABCD example.
Car B is wrong to LLC. You can't follow someone just because you like the smoothness of the passing lane if there is faster traffic behind you; you are impeding traffic clogging up that lane.
Car C may not want to pass Car A nor B and will simply move right immediately after passing slow Truck Z?
If Car C wants to pass Car B and/or Car A, they may, and should do so reasonably quickly. This is why it is so important for Car A and B to obey the law, and move over to the right to allow faster traffic to pass.
In this way everyone gets to where they are going faster, more quickly, and safer. When car A or B breaks the law, it causes commotion and hysterics. Car C or D may pass on the right, on the shoulder, and on who knows what, when all could be avoided by simply not LLCing.
I'm not against rating insurance risks. I simply believe correctly that the amounts of tickets the typical driver has has little to no correlation to the insurance risk they pose. The traffic laws in CA are so poorly enforced, that any correlation is pure coincidence. Speeding tickets are so arbitrary that most people with speeding tickets on their record have no record of accidents. Meanwhile, many who have no tickets on their record are causing the majority of accidents (at fault mind you). There are exceptions (like someone who has 10 tickets is probably more likely to cause an accident) , but I see no evidence from the Insurance companies that all tickets correlate to increased risk. Certainly, some tickets probably correlate more then others, but how come they dont' make a distinction between types of tickets and the insurance rating? It's either no points, one point, or two points or more. They mostly look at the points, not the tickets, it's just an excuse to charge more.
I'm all for reasons to charge less, but I don't agree with every reason they use to charge more. Especially when you have collusion between the industry with the provision of free radars and equipment to police departments, coming from you know who, the auto insurance industry. Now is that a donation or a business investment!!!! hahaha.
Using accident records to show driving record to show quality of the driver is acceptable. Using citations to show quality of the driver is unacceptable as enough studies on the subject have not been performed because those studies would be unfavorable to the insurance industry in regards to using citations to rate drivers. Some states may have better enforcement then others. Running red lights might correlate to more insurance risk than speeding. Where's the data to support the premise?
There's no give-and-take with some of them, but rather a "my turn" mentality that when Car L decides to use the open right lane, and based on timing hopes Car D will let him in, no dice... but by this time it's now queued up to Car T and you have to fall all the way to the back.
"I see no evidence from the Insurance companies that all tickets correlate to increased risk."
You are choosing to ignore the obvious & that choice is 100% wrong.
"collusion between the industry with the provision of free radars "
That quirky assertion is fortunately not FACT. :sick:
I get so tired of drivers thinking that they are the only ones on the road. How tough would it have been to just let me out of my parking spot?
Finally, I got out of my car, stood in the road with my hand out and got cars to stop long enough for me to back out and be on my way.
While i wouldn't call it poor driving or illegal driving I have seen police drive in such a way that you would use your high beam. Also I find it interesting that you defend one type of illegal driving why blastung another.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Well you said to stop being illegal, doing speed limit will would make me legal.
In that situation simply get out of the way at the nearest turnout.
Why should I have to inconvinece myself simply because you are impatient? You keep on saying people should drive legally with regards to LLC'ing why don't you apply the same reasoning to speed?
On a two lane highway sit and wait until you can safely pass.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
When you arrive early enough for any parking spot, those who parked further away from the event tend to make you now wait for them. And why not?
Therefore as the Speed Demon demands the LLC get out of his way, so can the LLC choose to ignore the SD and why not? :P