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  • deaniedeanie Member Posts: 172
    Great point!!!!
    Everyone should read post #4802, and lobby their state troopers and local police for such temporary signs.
    Deanie
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,409
    It is a very good idea, yeah. Today I was stuck in a 45 minute backup over a 2 car fender bender...no injuries I could see...heck, the cars could have easily been driven away. But the heavy traffic sailed right into the mess and pretended to be a parking lot for awhile.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    While I was out doing a short jaunt (275 miles) on Mothers Day, lot of posts seemed to sprout. It was interesting to be in traffic today as I was on 6 freeways to one destination and return and two others on another destination. LOADS of LEFT LANE CAMPERS! While traffic was pretty thick and bunched most of the time, it all seemed fairly civil. So it was good I was not in a hurry and more often than not took the "slow lanes" and traffic seemed to float along at app 80-85 mph mph. with short bursts of 90-95 mph. Oh well, forced to get 50 or so miles per gal was not as bad as it seemed. :)
  • john500john500 Member Posts: 409
    Good thought. And perhaps if only one out of ten people actually followed the law and used their warning flashers (required for vehicles traveling under 40 mph on the highway- and yes a complete stop is 0 mph, well under 40) there wouldn't be as many secondary accidents resulting from the primary accident.
  • gambit293gambit293 Member Posts: 406
    Speaking of trucks and Ohio, I (and my dad and MOTHER) nearly got ran off the road by a semi on Sunday. He just turned on his signal and charged over into our lane all at once as I had begun to pass him. I had to get on the brakes pretty hard, along with about five cars behind us. We were just entering a construction zone in heavy traffic, and there was a sign for trucks to use the left lane. As far as I know, that means: "Trucks get over into the left lane when you have a chance" not, "Get over to the left lane RIGHT THIS SECOND!" As I later passed him on the right, I tried to see if there was some good reason for an emergency maneuver, but I didn't see anything.

    I always hated construction areas that tell trucks to keep left, because that just SCREWS ....EVERYTHING.... COMPLETELY.... UP. Forget about traffic flow. Forget about courteous driving.

    In those scenarios, I wish they would include signs: Construction Zone: Slower traffic keep left.

    I wonder if freeway enforcement keep it this way on purpose in order to slow down everyone in a construction zone. Never mind that this leads to tightly packed wads of hundreds of cars and trucks driving side by side on very narrow roads for dozens of miles at a time.
  • alfoxalfox Member Posts: 708
    Usually it has to do with clearance issues or weight limitations, depending on what they are doing. When they move trucks to the left lane it usually isn't because they want slower traffic over there, it's because they don't want their size or weight in the right lane. Under such circumstances they are required by law to move over before entering the construction zone, not whenever he gets a chance.

    Probably the trucker was wondering why you were starting to pass him when you knew he was required to get over, and why you didn't just give him the space he needed and flash your lights to let him know he could come over.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    Trucks use left lane:
    Means the right lane is being routed onto what used to be a berm of the highway and it wasn't constructed to handle 80000 pounds an up traveling on it without breaking up quickly. So they have the trucks use what used to be the right lane of the original highway configuration which was (sortof) built to handle the truck's weight.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • gambit293gambit293 Member Posts: 406
    Oh, I'm not saying that the trucks should NOT be routed over to the left lane in such scenarios. I just wish they would route ALL slower traffic to the left lane.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    Oh, I have to agree. When I drove to Columbus several weeks ago at 60 mph there were long construction areas where people obeying the 55 speed limit in the right lane were a curse to those wanting to continue through the narrowed and uneven lanes at 75-80 because the trucks were in the left lane doing 55. Note I was doing 60, above the speed limit in the right-hand passing lane. It was wavy and broken in places because it was the berm of the road originally.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Even though you CAN ride a motorcycle without a helmet here in PA (I think it's stupid to ride without one, but you can't legislate away stupidity), after a freak act of chance this morning I'm wondering if riding without a helmet can get you clasified as an inconsiderate driver?

    Here's the setup: 35 mph speed limits, making a left turn onto another road at a traffic light. Motorcycle just ahead of me and we have to slow down at the light as a pickup is coming through in the other direction, but we won't have to stop completely. We both make the left and start accelerating up the street. At about 30 mph, with the motorcycle maybe 3-4 car lengths in front of me and moving away from me, a bird swooping across the road decides to be a completely inconsiderate flier and smacks right into the unprotected head of the rider. Now I'll give the guy a LOT of credit for keeping the bike upright and on his half of the road, but he was clearly stunned by the collision and could just as easily have wound up on the pavement in front of me, veered over into oncoming traffic, or vaulted the curb. Once he got himself back in full control, he reached up to find blood, and pulled off into the next storefront to park.
    Granted, hitting a flying bird with your head is one of those one-in-a-million shots, but there's also road gravel, small stones, and don't forget about the bugs, any one of which could surprise you with a shot aorund the eyes and cause you to lose it.
    Again, it's within your rights to ride helmetless and if you want to change it to a "donor-cycle" that's your business. But the surprises are going to affect others as well. It kind of would have ruined my Monday if I had been forced to run over the guy because I had no option but to try and stop given the situation and while I think I may have been able to, I can't say for sure that it would have worked out that way.

    This was on local "commercial" streets. Helmetless at highway speeds is asking for even more trouble if you ask me.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Helmet use confers a 52% of the death rate vs a non helmet use of 48%. !!??

    (page 56, but the foot notes indicate an interesting anomoly)

    NHTSA yearly statistics indicate the fatality RATE for motorcycle deaths(page is VERY HIGH, even in comparison to the normal suspects for the worst of breed, such as: . V8 muscle cars, Camaro and Mustang to name a few. The good and bad news is that the "relative number comparison " makes it seem like there is low number of deaths (3,592 fatalities ) compared to the overall fatality figures.(43,220) Truly however the RATES are almost hideous. (page 54)

    starting on pg 51, Motorcycle Riders,

    http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/PPT/2003EARelease.pdf
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    This was NOT my first experience with swooping birds :)

    In Jan '04 I had this experience:

    pf_flyer, "Inconsiderate Drivers (share your stories, etc.)" #2261, 20 Jan 2004 8:58 am
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    YUP, the bird gig happens to the best of them. I had a peripheral dealing with a bird hitting a fighter jet. As luck would have it, right smack dab on the bullet proof frontal wind screen. I am sure it must have taken SUPERB airman ship to bring this ship back in. I had to attend the debrief and the pilot walked in with bird pucky ALL over him. I didn't for a micro second know whether to laugh or cry. The plane was an absolute mess.
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    No lane is set aside for passing anywhere, AFAIK.

    In Oregon, typically on 2-lane (secondary) highways, I have often seen signs that read: "Passing Lane 1 Mile Ahead". These are generally on uphill stretches of road running through the coast and/or Cascade mountain ranges. So faster traffic can get by the motorhomes, boat trailers, and log trucks don't-cha know.

    So, yes, designated passing lanes do exist. As for multi-lane interstates, I think that the concept of the far left lane as a passing lane is common (and logical), but neither universal nor "official".

    james
  • bronsonbbronsonb Member Posts: 170
    Ok - I've read a lot of these stories and I've got one of my own to add. I live in Smyrna, GA, a suburb of Atlanta. We often deal with heavy traffic, on or off the expressways.

    On my daily commute to day-care and then to work with the kids, I have to get in a left turn lane for a long wait to make a left turn from a five lane road (two lanes each way plus a middle turn lane) to a four lane road.

    On more than one occassion, someone has been coming along in the lane to the right of the turn lane, and when that person gets to the traffic signal, he (it's always been a he) goes ahead and makes a left turn from a lane that is supposed to go straight through the intersection. Because we're turning into two lanes, there is room for this person to do that illegal left turn provided the person turning legally in tandem with him doesn't decide to immediately get into the right hand lane while turning.

    I know making your own left turn lane is illegal, but there are never cops around when you need them. And it's dangerous. And most of all, it's inconsiderate. The rest of us have been waiting 5 minutes or so for our turn to make the legal left turn and this bozo comes along and makes his own lane to turn left.

    I've been half tempted to get a license plate number and call it in to the cops. I actually did do that once to a kid who was tailgating us. Sucker followed us all the way to our neighborhood on two lane residential streets (lots of kiddies around playing, etc.). We kept to the speed limit and he was on our tail the whole way. There was nowhere for him to pass us, and every time I turned, he turned too. I wasn't driving below the speed limit, but he was obviously in a hurry.

    Anyway, when we got to the entrance to our neighborhood, I turned in, and he stopped and rolled down his window. He proceeded to give me the "Hawaiian good luck sign" and yell several choice obscenities. I calmly put the car in park and got out. He drove off but not before I got his tag number. I called the Smyrna police to file a report. The cops came and talked to me and then tracked the kid down.

    Because he lived in Smyrna, they were able to have a chat with his parents. Cop had said if the kid didn't live in Smyrna, he couldn't do anything. He lost his car for a month. I believe no "formal" report was ever filed by the cops, so he's got nothing on his record, but I hope his parents and a cop talking to him will convince him that residential tailgating is not a good thing to do.

    Mind you, getting out of my car is not something I would do in a lot of places, but Smyrna is a pretty tame city.
  • bobstbobst Member Posts: 1,776
    Why is it inconsiderate, bronson? The guy who makes the illegal left turn is not slowing you down at all.

    I would just ignore him.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,022
    is akin to cutting in line at the supermarket. Basically, taking a spot in "line" ahead of other people who were legitimately there first, and that you're not entitled to. It's just inconsiderate when you're on foot, but once you start factoring in several tons of metal, glass, and plastic, at speeds considerably above walking speed, it's not only inconsiderate, but dangerous.

    Bronson, I'm impressed you got that kind of response out of the cops! Around here, unless the cops actually see it happen, they couldn't care less! :mad:
  • alfoxalfox Member Posts: 708
    the car making the legal left turn has his view of on-coming traffic blocked by the illegal turner.

    The illegal turner also impedes the flow of traffic in the left travel lane, which may not directly impact bronsonb but does impact straight through traffic.

    Kid probably cuts through gas stations to avoid red lights too.
  • li_sailorli_sailor Member Posts: 1,081
    Helmet use confers a 52% of the death rate vs a non helmet use of 48%.

    Another good example of a statistic that seems to support a certain conclusion (helmets don't really matter for motorcyclists) whereas the truth is far different.

    Some states have helmet laws for all riders, some only for those over 21 and a few have none at all. That 52/48 figure lumps them all together, disallowing any reasonable conclusion without considering the details.

    A more rigorous analysis shows that helmets decrease motorcycle fatalities by about 40%.

    Besides the immediate effects of any mishap on others, it leads to inconsiderate medical costs to be borne by others. It's ain't too good for the motorcylist, either!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    The Ohio legislature is considering a law to require a policeman be posted at red-light camera locations to give tickets. only that officer would be able to write a ticket.

    Cleveland hoped to make $2 million in their share of camera fines from cameras to be installed. Dayton, Cincinnati and Akron are planning or have cameras.

    "State Rep. Bill Seitz, a Republican from Cincinnati, who favors requiring officers at intersections, doesn't believe the cameras are meant to ensure safety.

    "It is only a fig leaf for generating revenue," he said." quoted from he Dayton Daily News.

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  • li_sailorli_sailor Member Posts: 1,081
    These are generally on uphill stretches of road running through the coast and/or Cascade mountain ranges.

    Yeah, there are some like that in the Catskills, as well.

    So, yes, designated passing lanes do exist.

    No, "designated" means "put aside for that purpose". Those lanes are not "just for passing". If everyone is going 55 and there is heavy traffic, that lane is perfectly legitimate for non-passers.

    ...I think that the concept of the far left lane as a passing lane is common (and logical), but neither universal nor "official".

    Actually, as some here have pointed out, LLCing is a ticketable offense in some jurisdictions. I think it's not much more often than it is and I think it's not enforced much even where it is ticketable. But I certainly agree that staying to the left when one can move right is inconsiderate.
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    No, "designated" means "put aside for that purpose". Those lanes are not "just for passing".

    No, "designated" also means "to give a name or title to; characterize." The State of Oregon has designated this as a passing lane. I accept the State's authority over yours. Sorry :P

    james
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    "Another good example of a statistic that seems to support a certain conclusion (helmets don't really matter for motorcyclists) whereas the truth is far different"

    That might be YOUR conclusion but it certainly is not mine.

    Your "rigorous analysis" 's corollary might sound like: Gee motorcycle deaths are already sky high, but it could have been sky (er) higher!!?? Should folks find that MORE THRILLING?? I think you are missing entirely the spirit and intent of my post. But then again while you agree not keep left is "inconsiderate", you also fail to acknowledge that the left is the passing lane by saying it can be used by anybody. So that is a good reason when the situation presents itself to pass on the right.
  • jaserbjaserb Member Posts: 820
    I went out to lunch today with a bunch of people from work. Very good Thai place. There were 7 of us, 5 of which (including me) went with one guy in his monster 2004 Superduty Ford - lifted, huge tires and wheels, monster stereo, chipped Powerstoke Diesel, the whole 9 yards. Typical "big boy's toy". The other two guys went in my friend's diesel Isuzu P'up - easily the most gutless vehicle I've ever driven. At one point we were stopped at a traffic light next to each other. The guy driving the Ford started messing around: he revved the engine, then floored it and smoked the tires, leaving the other guys choking on a huge (and very expensive) cloud of burning tire smoke. He took off like a shot, tearing down the road and leaving the little P'up in the dust.

    Of course, he got stuck at the next light, and the Pup chugged up along side. By then we were stuck in the right lane, and needed to get over to the left. By the time he manuvered that monster to the left lane and into the restaurant parking lot the guys in the Pup had already been seated. "What took you guys so long? Geez, Kevin, you've got to get a faster truck! We were getting tired of waiting for you."

    -Jason
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,409
    Sad thing is that behavior is typical of what you see in jacked up trucks, at least around here.

    I still don't have much faith in the idea of people calling the cops with a license and actually having something become of it. I am not doubting the person with the story, but it seems like such a potential for fraud and lies, that even the cops wouldn't even be able to do much. The evidence would not stand up.
  • li_sailorli_sailor Member Posts: 1,081
    I accept the State's authority over yours. Sorry.

    You mean, you accept yours over Webster's:

    1 : to indicate and set apart for a specific purpose

    Sorry. :=)

    No lane, anywhere (AFAIK) is designated for passing only. None.
  • li_sailorli_sailor Member Posts: 1,081
    Your "rigorous analysis"...

    Not mine, that's from NHTSA. Same place you got your stat.

    I think you are missing entirely the spirit and intent of my post.

    You may be right. What was it?

    ...you also fail to acknowledge that the left is the passing lane by saying it can be used by anybody.

    "The passing lane" can be used when not passing as well, as in when the right lanes are full. If you don't realize this, I can't help.

    You (and OregonBoy) seem to think that if traffic is moving at 20 mph in all lanes, that everyone in the leftmost lane should move over to the right and leave it empty. Amusing. Perhaps even inconsiderate :=)
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    We are really starting to get repetitive on this left lane stuff...
  • jayellesevenjayelleseven Member Posts: 150
    I know! Stop talkin about pet peeves and all, talk about INCONSIDERATE drivers, or police chases, or something crazie on the road that makes driving a stimulating experience!!
  • li_sailorli_sailor Member Posts: 1,081
    Starting to get repetitive? I think we past that a long time ago :=)

    All right, here's a new one, although it's actually a twist on the LLC thing.

    Happens all the time, usually on my return trip from a weekend upstate NY on the NYS thruway...traffic not too heavy, but both SB lanes are fairly full at near speed limit (65). Prevailing (normal) speed is 75.

    Left lane stops advancing, min distance between a long string of cars, waiting for the speed to pick up. Slightly fewer cars are in the right lane, leaving gaps.

    Ok, so here's the inconsiderate thing...pinheads will decide to try to "right pass" in this case, although there's nobody to pass in the LL, everyone is maxed out. Now, if he/she manages to squeeze back in, everyone behind gets pushed back a bit. This is a RLVIP passer.

    I find I have to keep my distance closer to prevent any cutting in. Stressful after an hour or so.

    Oh, btw, this qualifies aas a pet peeve, too :=)
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    Hi james: I agree as I've driven those roads on the way to McMinnville. Have you noticed the difference in attitudes of posters in this subject? It seems the more Eastern drivers are more demanding drivers and expect anybody in front of them to get the he-- out of their way. Driving in the NW is very different on I-5 from Canada to MX. The freeway is so crowded with trucks that there isn't a passing lane. It's a 70 mph clog in all lanes both North and South. I like the inside #1 lane because there are no trucks and the roadbed is a lot smoother. Thus, I drive only in the alleged passing lane eight to ten miles over the limit or with the traffic and when the 95 mph IDIOTcomes up behind, flashing his lights and tailgating me, I just develop his patience. You can't please everybody, so why please anybody?
  • fitguyfitguy Member Posts: 220
    "I still don't have much faith in the idea of people calling the cops with a license and actually having something become of it. I am not doubting the person with the story, but it seems like such a potential for fraud and lies, that even the cops wouldn't even be able to do much. The evidence would not stand up. "

    In Boston, the cops would be laughing so hard you would get sprayed with coffee-soaked donut bits! :surprise:
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    ..."You (and OregonBoy) seem to think that if traffic is moving at 20 mph in all lanes, that everyone in the leftmost lane should move over to the right and leave it empty. Amusing. Perhaps even inconsiderate :=) "...

    Total misread and mischaracterization! Leave that to you! You are good at that!
  • carlisimocarlisimo Member Posts: 1,280
    *yawn*
  • gambit293gambit293 Member Posts: 406
    You (and OregonBoy) seem to think that if traffic is moving at 20 mph in all lanes, that everyone in the leftmost lane should move over to the right and leave it empty. Amusing. Perhaps even inconsiderate :=)

    Interesting attempt to marginalize someone's stance, but oddly enough... I DO sort of agree with the above statement.

    If everyone is traveling the exact same speed (never happens, I know...) then no one is passing anyone. All other things being equal (ie there aren't cars trying to merge), I'd prefer that everyone get into single file. It's easier to keep track of one car in front of you and one behind you, rather than one in front, one behind, one diagonally in front of you, and one in your blind spot.
  • li_sailorli_sailor Member Posts: 1,081
    Interesting attempt to marginalize someone's stance...

    No such attempt on my part. Simply re-stating what they are saying, which (IMO) makes no sense.

    ...I'd prefer that everyone get into single file.

    And cut everyone's speed in half. Doesn't sound like a good idea, and if you think about it, that was the whole point.

    "Hey Joe, I'm sitting here in heavy traffic, what a pain"

    "Simple solution, Bill...shut down one lane. You'll be able to keep track of everyone and who says 2 mph is so bad?"
  • jayellesevenjayelleseven Member Posts: 150
    yes YAWN, wheres the excitement, it sounds like everyone's been driving with grandma to and from work or somethin... haha
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,678
    Ah.... this one was funny. My drives to work in the morning are short and usually uneventful, but this morning I got a gooooooood laugh.

    The main road near my house is a 4 lane with no center turn lane and the speed limit is 55. Typical traffic flow is 60-65. There is one spot on this road where the frost heaves are really bad and every year the road falls apart. It buckles, drops, bends, etc such that the ride is a bumpy one. It is "fixed" every summer in June, and by this time of year is tedious to navigate. All traffic usually slows to 55-60 and used the right lane through this short (1/10 mile?) section of road.

    This morning a kid (somewhere between 16-20?) was driving an early-mid 80s F150 and was zipping along at about 70 behind a newer (2002?) F350 CC. The F350 pulled into the right lane just prior to this danger zone and slowed to 60 to match traffic flow. The F150 driver did not, and decided to barrel through the bumps,dips, waves, etc. I swear the truck actually left the road way at least 5 times in succession when it hit this section at 70-75. The driver nearly lost control of the vehicle, decided to pull into the right lane AFTER he'd already driven over the bad stuff, then pulled back into the left lane once the F350 driver had again passed him and continued on. So, he gained no ground on the F350 and just about caused what could have been a rather significant collision.

    But, this is not the end. No sooner does he get the truck back up to 75 than we get to the next bit of dippy road.... this time going around a curve uphill. In my car ('96 OBW), this dip is fairly insignificant, but it is VERY jolting in my '69 C20 and is worse in the left lane than the right. So, this fella smacks the dip at 75 and again his truck loses contact with the road (around a curve, remember). His tires smoke a little as they recontact the road and he again comes very close to losing control of the vehicle.

    That doesn't slow him down though. He crests the hill, uses the downhill to gain momentum, and finally passes (on the right) the F350 again just as a vehicle pulls out into the roadway in the right lane ahead of him. He had to slow down, the F350 passes him once more and I finally lose sight of him after he gets on the expressway behind the F350.

    :D
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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    The LLC branch of this discussion is done since we've reached the point where I've summarily taken down a post that started off by talking about the ignorance of another user.

    That's the problem with this topic EVERY time it comes up here. Neither side is going to back down or change their minds to see it "your way", so the personal comments start.

    So we're done talking about it for now. If anyone feels the need to finish off the subject, please resist the urge, because "parting shots" on LLC's will be deleted.

    Consider that you've now all agreed to disagree... move on

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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    I'm NOT going to even allow sneaky around-the-corner references to other users on this one.

    Now let's move on...

    Thank you for your cooperation and participation.

    (Is it a full moon or something?? It's been NUTS today)

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  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    Was driving to work on the back roads this am. About a two mile stretch is straight and a dotted yellow line is down the middle. Speed limit is 50. I'm doing 50.

    As I round a turn there is an intersection with a 2004/2005? TL sitting there. Not a car in sight in either lane except for us. He sees me hesitates and then decides to cut me off. I stomp on the brakes and slowed to around 20 and then decide to pass him, since there are no cars and there is a dotted yellow line.

    I figured the guy realized he cut me off and would let me complete the passing maneuver. I was wrong. As I went by him I saw a plume of blue smoke in the exhaust. I figured I'd still complete the passing maneuver and then go over. Now we're doing 60 and we are side by side, with my meager acceleration he was gaining on me.

    In a split second I decided to get away from this creep, I floored the car, he couldn't keep up and I left him in the dust. I eased into the right lane and slowed to the speed limit. For the next 6 miles he was on my bumper as I did exactly the speed limit and not one tenth above it.

    Finally he turns off into a local street. Go figure some people. :confuse:
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    Four way stop signs. Morning go-to-work traffic. Country roads at periphery of urban area. Roads one mile apart. Stop signs each mile.

    Other cars reach stop sign on cross street. I am slowing to stop. The wait at the stop sign until I'm stopped. Then they expect me (and others) to wait and watch them go across. They could have been across and out of the way as soon as they were sure I was rapidly slowing from 45 to 0. As soon as they could accelerate on across before I got there even if I failed to slow more to a stop, they could have gone. But no. They want to be sure I and sometimes two others all sit and watch them go.

    Solution: As soon as I stop I accelerate and bluff them out. They are so timid and afraid someone might not stop for them, they flinch at the least indication someone is going to go before their turn.

    Guess the gender of the most common offenders.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    ..."As I round a turn there is an intersection with a 2004/2005? TL sitting there. Not a car in sight in either lane except for us. He sees me hesitates and then decides to cut me off."...

    You know, some posts back; you made the claim that rolling through intersections was safe!!?? At the time and still now I disagreed and gave you my reasoning.

    So your "SAFE" rolling through the intersections on roads inhabited by no body and no traffic seemed to have come alive for you, eh?

    The difference is someone did it to you instead of you doing it to them?? Now they are creeps? It is interesting that you called him a "creep" that did exactly what you said was "safe"? So I take it you might have seen this from a different perspective?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,409
    I agree with that one, imad. Sounds identical to the intersection nearest my house. 4 way stop from a 35, with left turn lanes from each direction. You get a few cars stopping at similar times, and all madness breaks loose...they just don't know what to do, and are afraid to make the first move. They will sit there and wave you through even if they were there substantially earlier. I often see some honking when I am out on my pseudo-jog past this intersection. And yes, some people are more prone to being over-timid than others. When I see a new Civic coupe, a RAV4, and a new Beetle all just sitting there, I know what's going on...
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    Whoa. Let's back up a second doggie. :blush: There is not much to say, except a stop sign also means yield to oncoming traffic. I don't know where you drive, but where I drive it's rude, inconsiderate and dangerous not to yield the right of way, even if you're stopped at a stop sign and believe you have stopped long enough.

    Rolling stops do not necessarily imply not yielding to oncoming traffic.

    I do admit, I do plenty of rolling stops on back roads, when there are no other cars on the road. These stops are not like the old Tex Avery cartoons where the poor hapless soul looks right and left down an empty highway and as he starts to cross BLAM. If I can't see it I never assume.

    I always do a full stop at red lights, major intersections and intersections where is not a clear view of the road - and then proceed with caution.

    Besides, I don't have to justify how I drive, my insurance company thinks I'm a very low risk and I pay a pittance for car insurance.

    Capish? :mad:
  • deaniedeanie Member Posts: 172
    Yeah, drivers get worse the further you go south on the eastern seaboard, and the peak of bad driving (or nadir of good driving) occurs in Maryland. For some reason, the closer you get to Baltimore, the more the phrase "Baltimoron" comes to mind. People there seem to change lanes w/o using turn signals, but use signals when they're already in the exit only lane (brain dead), and invariably, whenever there's light traffic, the left lane is slower than the right, with the middle lane splitting the difference (idiotic from a traffic flow perspective). I'm a transplanted New Yorker living in the DC area and whenever I drive to NY for family visits, It's never smooth sailing until I'm well north of Baltimore if not well into Delaware, and on the return trip it is most taxing as I have to deal with the abundance of moronic drivers near the end of my trip when I am most tired and have the least patience to cope with em. KEEP RIGHT, PASS LEFT, AND USE TURN SIGNALS WHEN LEAVING YOUR LANE.
    Regards,
    Deanie
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    fintail - the phrase it's better to be safe then sorry comes to mind. A four way intersection with four cars is not the place to play chicken. I'd rather go second or third then be calling the tow truck because some dummy wasn't looking.

    I know the rules, but people being people might not want to play by the same rules, therefore I'll give.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Evident both HE and YOU took offense to it. Why would you pass him back, and then go slower than he probably would have if you let him in front of you?? Was it your intention to "BAIT" him?

    Me, I do not take it personally; while it is rude inconsiderate and dangerous here also. I would have just let him GO!

    .."I do admit, I do plenty of rolling stops on back roads, when there are no other cars on the road."...

    So yes, I CAPISH THAT... you DON'T Capish !
  • deaniedeanie Member Posts: 172
    You might want to think twice about a pinhead bearing down on you at near triple digit speeds in the left lane because somebody driving like that may be a safe driver accustomed to the safer european style of passing on the left, or that driver may be a true "nut" or criminal who has no patience for the patience you wish to impose, which may result in you engaging a dangerous person, or getting intentionally run off the road, or worse, getting shot. The road is no place for games - yours or his. Why bother? Move over.
    Regards,
    Deanie
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,409
    Better safe than sorry is just awesome, but when a person has a few cars lining up behind them waiting to go, something has to give.
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