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An update for you . . .
New handle: AKMarkus (previously queenms)
AKMarkus 7/31 350 psd cc lar 4x4 4.10ls drw
Brutus,
Just got back from Alaska, Traveled the Kenai Peninsula, Anchorage, and the Mat-Su Valley. I saw a lot of the new Super Duties up north, as many as I have seen in Houston and more. Mostly F-250's but a few F-350 psd duallies and those were mostly SuperCab's but quite a few Crew Cab's as well. Looks like Nye Ford is selling the lions share of them. Lots of them in the valley and on the peninsula. More numbers of "spendy" models in Anchorage and more utilitarian type vehicles in the out of town area's. I was surprised by how many of them were the (now discontinued) Blue Metallic. Must have been a lot of early orders!
Been 4 weeks since my order and I am not expecting to see it until December. I will definitely take that test drive before signing any papers on my order. I ordered the $x4 with esof and don't want a "shaker". I had that problem with a '92 Dakota. I had to shove it back down the throat of Anchorage Chrysler Center after 11 months of fruitless repairs and drive off in a used '89 F-250 SD as a replacement for the little equity I had in the Dakota.
Don't want a repeat of that . . . way too much stress. I already have enough to go around.
Ryan
problem is ONLY on SD's with ESOF?
Or is it still open to debate?
Thanks
Wolf2
Seems a bit of butt riding goes a long way to persuading the dealers to get busy. I'm not too worried about the expected delivery date of mine, lets me build a bigger down payment. If it comes in sooner, bigger payments, later, smaller payments. I just am looking forward to getting the truck and taking it for it's break-in run to Colorado. Lot's of fun will be had . . .
I will be getting an underrail bed liner and am interested in a cover, but I don't know which is the best. Everyone's input will be appreciated.
Thanks
Dennis
A thought just hit me...you said the FDAF adv fee was only $60, mine was $235, a $175 difference, almost the same difference between your base price 23484 and mine 23314. Just a thought...
Looks like the price difference may just be a matter of bookkeeping. It might have to do with state laws on how Ford distributes its advertising fee. Some states may allow them to charge the entire fee as a separate line item while others have a limit and therefore Ford applies it to the base price. Just a guess.
The Penda liner (www.pendacorp.com) was chosen because of the quality (thickest liner made, dimensional tolerances), price ($229.95), and the no-skid surface, although the cup-holders in the tailgate is not a bad idea either. Tek-style made by Design Automotive Group (www.designautogroup.com) were the first in the industry to offer a 3 year vinyl warranty. Extang now offers a 3 year warranty though. The aftermarket dealer also said they were the industry leader in terms of quality and they are less expensive than the Extang Classic Platinum ($259 vs. $269 installed). I also was told to avoid the Black Max cover offered by Extang until it's proven itself in the field.
My ad fee was $75. The $235 sounds a little high, so it might include a little dealer markup.
My truck will get a mini break-in run when I pick it up in Oklahoma. The run from the dealership to Dallas will be a 200+ mile run. I will probably take a week off and go pick up my truck Camper in Oregon in early December. That will be a 4,000+ mile round trip, half of it with a 4,000 pound truck camper. That will be a real good test since I will be heading through the Colorado mountain passes. There is a decent chance that I will get to see how the 4x4 dually l/s A/T tires and V-10 handle snowy conditions.
My folks have been in town the past couple of days, so I've been driving their 97 F-350 CC dually 4.30 PSD. I've never driven a diesel or dually before. The first thing you notice is how easily it maintains speed on an incline. It wasn 't a dog off the line either. I had no problem adjusting to the duallys. Actually, the Crew Cab dually truck was much easier to turn than my regular cab 92 4x4 because the CC was only a 2x4. Despite the length, the turning radius was better.
The biggest adjustment was figuring out the shifting. As with my 92 F-250 3.55 5.8L, you start out in 2nd. However, you shift to 3rd almost immediately, and you're in 4th after you break 30mph. O/D is close behind, definitely by the time you hit 40. In my 92, I'd run in 4th if I was under 70 in traffic. ON the open highway, I'd shift into O/D and set the cruise control at anything over 60. The past few days, I caught myself wanting to shift one more time after I was in O/D. The truck was turning about 2,500 rpms at 70. I accelerated from 70 to 80 a few times, and it had plenty of pep. The rpms at 80mph were in the 2,800-2,900 range.
My folks have about 40,000 miles on the truck the past couple years, with a high percentage of it towing. He has had a lot of opportunity to talk with other RVers. He confirmed that most of the Dodge RVers had the 3.55 axle ratios, even though they were pulling heavy loads. In the mountainous terrains, the Fords with the 4.10s were flying by them. Those same Fords were also towing in O/D, even on alot of hills with heavy loads. My folks tow in O/D almost all the time and their GCWR is 18,500 pounds. The reason for the Dodge owners choosing the 3.55s appears to be mpg. Although the Cummins gets about 20 mpg empty with the 3.55, it appears to only get about 12mpg empty with the 4.10, and 6-8mpg towing. The problem seems to be the rpms. The Cummins runs best in the 1,600-1,700 range. The mpg seems to drop off significantly once you start creeping over 2,000 rpms. The lower 4.10 axle ratio will result in the rpms running higher at all speeds, which is why the mpg drops so dramatically. The mpg loss isn't worth it, so most Dodge drivers opt for the 3.55, regardless of what they are towing. The trade-off is slower climbs through the mountains and not being able to tow much in O/D. My dad also said that he ran into many Dodge RVers who had some of the tranny problems that had been mentioned.
I apologize for getting off-subject a bit. By the way, my dad is not as gung-ho of a Ford man as I am. As a matter of fact, he said that he was seriously considering the Chevy if they had a decent diesel. However, he is more than happy with his choice. He has had no problems and has signed off the theory that Ford has the best overall quality, especially when it comes to RVing.
Thanks for the input. I checked out the sites and found a Penda dealer only 23 miles away from me. Gonna call him.
try http://www.carprices.com/1998/cars98-F.html
F250 SD SC XLT 4X4 5.4 Oxford White, med. graphite
interior. It took all of 5 weeks 4 days.
I test drove it and it seems fine.
It does have a gouge in the plastic on the inside
of the door which they are going to fix.
So....I give them my 95 Ram tomorrow, and drive
her home....
Wolf2
Do you have an updated list in the works?
(F-250 V-10 3.73 with limited slip.
John
PS: I'll be hitching up my wagon soon- to head
out west for a 2 month trip. The next update will be my last. Any volunteers are welcome to continue.
to pick it up now and am not sure when I'll be back. Thank you all for your very valuable help.
Fred.
Ford does not have a fax number or e-mail for registering a complaint. Don't know where to go. All the poppycock about getting the best deal is useless if you cannot get delivery. I have a mileage limit on my trade and time is beginning to squeeze the miles. I think the dealer is giving me the run around so that he can back out of the deal. He got my deposit and is stretching my patience.
Does anyone have an e-mail address for Ford or a Fax number? I sure would like to express my opinion. I cannot believe that I am changing from GM for this. Help!!!
Ford does not have a fax number or e-mail for registering a complaint. Don't know where to go. All the poppycock about getting the best deal is useless if you cannot get delivery. I have a mileage limit on my trade and time is beginning to squeeze the miles. I think the dealer is giving me the run around so that he can back out of the deal. He got my deposit and is stretching my patience.
Does anyone have an e-mail address for Ford or a Fax number? I sure would like to express my opinion. I cannot believe that I am changing from GM for this. Help!!!
If you ordered your truck and your dealer is playing straight with you, which it sounds like he is not, then you should have a VIN #.
When Ford picked up your order, if they did, they assign a VIN # and a build date. That usually happens about 2-4 weeks before the acutal build date. Once that happens things are pretty much automatic from there on. The truck is build during the week of the build date which is always a Monday. Then it is shipped and should be at the dealer about 10 days later..
If your dealer can't give you a VIN # then he is in fact pulling your chain. He either didn't place the order or he put it in on such a low priority that it still hasn't been picked up. Good Luck
I have heard a loud "clunk" right after starting the truck. It doesn't happen every time, but once in a while. I have the ESOF. I havn't talked to the dealer about it yet. The ESOF works fine and I havn't had any problems due to the noise, but I still don't like it making that noise.
If there is a way to get that info. I'd like to know.
cw
2 minutes after placing the order for my truck on 8/26, the manager showed me a report from Ford dated 7/16 showing that any SD ordered with any of these options; Lariat package, prem wheels, v10, and ESOF, could have up to a 4 month delay. BUT, while I was in his office he called Ford and checked on those delays and was told that those supply problems had been taken care of and there would be no delay. I don't know if this helps....
Thanks for the updated list. I appreciate the effort. 4 weeks, 5 days to go (out of 6?)
Good luck on your trip/move.
I bought my first diesel ('86 6.9L) using an economy justification. Yeah the fuel is cheaper but I don't think that you'll ever break even.
I'm on my third diesel and over a quarter million miles of the shear joy of driving. I've had two of these diesels, non-turbo, through the Eisenhower and over Donner's Pass. Never a complaint on any diesel. The torque of these engines is what makes the world spin.
Maybe in the range of 200,000 miles you'll finally reach a cheaper operating cost per mile with the diesel. If you enjoy driving a truck, you'll have a lot more fun getting to the 200,000 mile mark with a diesel than with gasoline.
Rich
diesel 6 speed, long wheel base, camper & tow pkg.
Will be using it to tow 12,000 lb. 5th wheel.
Got a good deal from Jack LaValley at Sarat Ford in Agawam, Mass.
looked nice. dealer was 1 week off his orig eta
9 weeks from order to delivery
noticed rear wheel abs on sticker
i didnt order abs and really against mixing different systems front and rear.
will keep you guys posted of any problems
ps passenger airbag included,not ordered
its been great getting you input keep it up
Thought I'd update your list since you are keeping
up with everybody. I did order the F-250 V-10
w/ltd slip SC Lariat on 08/10/98, and was told to
expect 10 to 12 weeks....Anyhow my hats off the
this bunch because I was about to order w/o LS
because my dealer also told me it was not (3.73)
available with the V-10 but followed instructions from this site and was able to educate another
dealership.
I do read the responses every other day but I've
had little to say because you guys are so informed. My grandfather used to advise me:
When the mind goes blank be sure to turn the sound off, so I've read for several weeks here
and learned a lot. Hats off to a great bunch of
guys that stay well informed. Keep up the good
work... .
First of all Chad I'm not aware of any numbers you can call until Ford (the manufacturer) has actually picked up your truck. Once they do that and assign a build date and a VIN#, your on your way.
Brutus I'm positive about the VIN#, the dealer I ordered through kept trying to be optimistic but it was all hot air. Then when they finally called, about 6 or 7 weeks ago and said that the truck would be delivered on 9/14. I asked him two things. 1. when was the build date and 2. what was the VIN#. Ironically he couldn't give me the build date immediately but he did give me the VIN#. Later about 1 day he called and told me the build date (week of 8/31).
I called the Gwen at the number some had posted earlier. The first two calls about a week a part I didn't get to talk with Gwen but rather some dude who answered. Both times he confirmed the 8/31 date. Then, about 3 weeks ago I talked with Gwen and she said week of 9/7. I asked her why it had slipped and she said that it hadn't. I told her that someone had told me week of 8/31, and she said "Oh they just read the wrong date." Apparently 8/31 has something to do with my order but I don't know what. In any case I'm expecting to see my truck sometime between 9/14 and 9/21.
Your calculations looks good. With the more expensive oil changes etc. it would take a while for the cost saved on fuel to justify the diesel. I ordered a diesel for several reasons. These are not in order of preference.
1. Mileage - the diesel gets better mileage.
2. Rear end - When I ordered my turck you couldn't get the 3.73 L/S with the V10. I wanted limited slip but I did not want a 4:10 rear end.
3. The diesel comes with a 5yr 100,000 mile warranty as opposed to the 3/36 for the V10.
4. Towing - the diesel is unquestionably better for towing.
Rear ABS is standard on the truck. I had it on my 92 F-250. It prevents the rearend from locking up on a quick stop, which should greatly reduce your chances of fishtailing. On a real quick stop, you'll still skid a little because the front tires will lock up. However, your rearend should stay on line, and greatly increase your chances of maintaining control.
Answers welcome