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  • johnny4016johnny4016 Member Posts: 112
    Gas prices here in California for Regular gas is $2.50 to $2.70 per gallon. I wish we where at $1.83 per gallon. I doubt we will ever see that or even come close to that here. To many gougers in the business and with a govenor who doesn't care, we are lucky to be paying $2.50 a gallon and not $3.50. As it is we have the highest tax in the country and they are asking us to vote in another tax increase in a couple of weeks. They have lost their minds. As a disabled Veteran on a fixed income the difference would save me hundreds of dollars which I could use to help out my children, grandchildren and charity organization. I've even had to cut back on food because of the gas prices. I think it is a shame for the people of America to be paying so much for fuel and having to do without normal nessessities. In the other countries that have extremely high fuel prices, they also have a higher income level than we do here in America.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    San Diego and Santa Barbara usually get gouged the worst. San Diego today has more than 50 stations under $2.33 per gallon. Cheapest is still $2.25 at a quite a few locations around the county. You must live in a remote area. You can pay over $3 per gallon if you look around for the highest prices.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    What do you think we would get for that extra buck a gallon? If it was spent where it is supposed to be spent on maintaining roads and bridges I would be for it. Fat chance of that happening.

    An extra buck a gallon probably wouldn't go towards road maintenance, at least not all of it. As it stands right now a portion of your state and local fuel taxes is probably getting diverted for other uses like schools and law enforcement. The fed portion is used to dispense pork and as an inducement to keep states in line. All I would want for that extra dollar a gallon is for it to be revenue neutral. Have some bean counter figure out how much this would generate and reduce property taxes and income taxes enough to offset this. Or just issue registered drivers a check at the end of each year. Same amount for everyone regardless of how much gas you burned. This would be the most effective way to use market forces to encourage conservation and stimulate R&D into alternatives.

    We have a government that sends conflicting messages when it comes to an energy policy. On one hand they encourage conservation and talk about the political and economic dangers of being addicted to oil. At the same time they make it a priority to keep gas relatively cheap and affordable. The two are incompatible. Anyone with the most basic grasp of economics would realize this. Lower prices = increased demand and consumption. Is that even disputable?
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    going into work this morning, I noticed the local Shell station was down to $2.099/$2.239/$2.339, from a previous $2.149/$2.279/$2.379.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    It seems like So. Maryland prices are no longer that much less than the rest of the state. After hitting $2.029 a couple weeks ago we've started to creep back up. The cheapest is currently at $2.069 with premium at $2.379.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    It seems like So. Maryland prices are no longer that much less than the rest of the state.

    Yeah, I just checked out www.marylandgasprices.com and it looks like nowadays, the cheapest gas is out on the Eastern Shore (Ocean City, Cambridge, etc) or up around the Laurel/Fort Meade area.

    Where in Southern Maryland are you, TPE? When I was a kid we lived down in White Plains (off Route 301 between Waldorf and LaPlata) for a year. And my Mom & stepdad live down near the 5/235 split in Mechanicsville.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    I'm in California, MD, which is just north of NAS Pax River. I used to live in Calvert Co., near the nuclear power plant.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    We have a government that sends conflicting messages when it comes to an energy policy

    That has been my gripe from the 1970s. You have the part of government that want the tax revenue from fuel sales and the environmental side that want us to cut consumption. Plus lobbyist on both sides spending money like water. You are trying to limit the use of a product that the producers want to sell more of. Until the supply actually diminishes people will use it. Artificially limiting its use with more taxes is not smart. And hoping for the government to cut taxes if they have a new source is dreaming.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    Artificially limiting its use with more taxes is not smart.

    Artificially manipulating the market with taxes is generally not smart but probably unavoidable. Example, look at the mortgage interest tax deduction that basically put the real estate market on steroids. The result is that it is very difficult for first time homeowners, which is probably completely contrary to the original objective but somewhat predictable. The fact is that the government has to generate revenue to operate. This requires people to pay taxes. Paying taxes is in a sense no different than a fine. No matter what you tax it will somehow impact the market. Even income taxes result in people restructuring their finances to reduce this tax burden. So if you must have taxes and they will impact the market you might as well have it do so in a desirable way.

    And hoping for the government to cut taxes if they have a new source is dreaming.

    On the federal level this would be dreaming. On a state level you could let people vote on a referendum of whether they would approve higher gas taxes for a reduction in some other tax.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    gary says "Artificially limiting its use with more taxes is not smart."

    So, you are saying that the Europeans manipulating fuel taxes to make diesel the fuel of choice in Europe was not smart either?

    Anyway.......

    USA Average gas price is UP to $2.19

    Lowest reported price in USA is still:

    $1.83 in Travelers Rest SC
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    The fuel tax in most EU countries is very high. It is not that diesel is taxed less. It is diesel is less expensive to refine to start with. It is a less expensive fuel. CA has added more tax on diesel making it higher than unleaded. The reason to cover the higher highway damage by semi trucks. At least that is what they said when the tax went into affect.

    Diesel cars in the EU have just evolved as the best choice in vehicle propulsion for using less fuel. According to all I have read the EU embraced diesel as it is less damaging to the environment, GHG. We are not concerned about CO2 as we did not sign up for that game.

    PS
    Diesel is more expensive in the UK.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Looks like Lithuania has the cheapest fuel in the EU. About $4.23 per gallon for gas. The most expensive gas is Norway. $6.82 per gallon. Interesting thing is Norway exports most of their oil. And tax their oil exports at over 80%.

    http://www.aaroadwatch.ie/eupetrolprices/
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    gary says "diesel is more expensive in the UK"

    Not according to this page. And look at all the other Euro countries listed - diesel is lower or the same in virtually all of them.

    Diesel prices across Europe

    Diesel became a popular fuel in Europe only because it costs less to drive a diesel car.

    Other pages which list diesel as being popular in Europe because it's the lower cost fuel:

    In Europe, where gasoline is taxed to bring it to more than $5 a gallon and diesel enjoys some tax advantages, there's a lot more incentive for drivers to pull up to the diesel pump.

    Charlie Freese, General Motors' executive director of diesel engineering, said that even if environmental regulations were identical in Europe and the United States, the difference in fuel prices would keep the use of diesel here well below the European levels. It's also why he won't make projections as to how well diesel vehicles will do in the U.S.

    "What's driven a lot of the penetration (in Europe) is the fuel price," he said. "My crystal ball is not that clear. If you look at them on economics, the small cars will not provide payback on diesel (at current gas prices). But there are things that diesel does that customers seem to like."
    From:

    CNN Money article

    And:

    For one thing, Germany desperately needs the revenue generated by the tax to narrow its yawning budget deficit. For another, Germans are not really protesting the levy, which adds 15 cents a liter to the price of gasoline (all told, taxes account for two-thirds of the price of gasoline in Germany; diesel fuel, which is more efficient, is taxed at a lower rate to encourage its use).

    From:

    More bolstering of my point

    Finally, let me say: Gary, the popularity of diesel cars in Europe being mostly the result of lower prices for diesel cars is not my OPINION - it's a fact repeated many times over by people who know the truth.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    First off your articles are all dated from 2005 or earlier. A lot has happened since then.

    diesel fuel, which is more efficient, is taxed at a lower rate to encourage its use)

    Why do you suppose that is? Why are we so far behind the rest of the world when it comes to global warming? Why do the Europeans push diesel cars and we try to avoid them?

    Could it be they know more than US?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    gary says "diesel is more expensive in the UK"

    As of today in Great Britain.
    Petrol = $6.33 USD
    Diesel = $6.71 USD

    Still a bargain with 37% better MPG.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    This is CURRENT DATA and each country has a chart. Click on a country to look at the charts - diesel is consistently, in almost EVERY case, cheaper than unleaded.

    Dueling charts

    35 Euro countries listed, and diesel is cheaper in 29 of the 35 countries.

    This is not my imagination Gary - diesel is cheaper "over there" and that's the reason those cars are more popular there.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    Could it be they know more than US?

    I think they either know more or aren't as beholding to the same special interest groups that we are. In addition to promoting diesel their higher fuel taxes in general are also an indication of greater enlightenment.

    Why are we so far behind the rest of the world when it comes to global warming?

    Is your position that human activity is contributing to global warming? Maybe I'm confusing you with another poster but I could have sworn you were on the other side when it came to this debate.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    We're not about "diesel vs gas" here, or global warming, or any of the other things we seem about to spin off into.

    How much is gas where you are?
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    $1.89/gallon
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    I was just down in the York - Gettysburg area last weekend and was seeing prices around $2.19, but right now about $2.09 in York and $2.01 in Gettysburg.
  • zoomandyzoomzoomandyzoom Member Posts: 19
    Paid $2.33/gallon this morning at a Shell station on the edge of downtown Sacramento. I've seen it as low as $2.23 in some areas around the city. It's ok, though... after Election Day, prices will start going back up again.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Looks like gas prices might not go down any more if this continues.....
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Here in Western Ohio. Some stations were down to $1.93 and a lot at $1.98. But the restoration to $2.29 started on Tuesday.

    A few stations are going to $2.27 instead of $2.29.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    The price of OPEC basket of eleven crudes stood at 53.89 dollars a barrel on Tuesday 24/10/06, compared with 53.52 dollars the previous day, according to OPEC Secretariat calculations

    OPEC oil was $55 last week. Time will tell.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    I'm amazed at how many people feel that our falling gas prices are due to the upcoming elections. You're obviously someone that believes this. Hypothetically, if gas prices were to increase in the next two weeks how would you explain it?

    Let's entertain this GOP conspiracy theory for a moment. The national average for unleaded is $2.20/gallon right now. I can't believe the Republicans with their almost total control over the oil market can't do better than that. The price has been lower than $2.20 for 11 of the past 24 months with no pending election. We've had no major hurricanes, inventories are relatively high. What gives? With these conditions the GOP should easily be able to get the price down to at least $1.50. They aren't even trying.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    This is not the discussion topic here--if you can find another discussion for this topic I'll be happy to share my thinking.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    I was responding to this comment.

    It's ok, though... after Election Day, prices will start going back up again.

    My response was relevant. If you're going to appoint yourself the thread police then at least go back to where a tangent started.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Thank you for your courteous comeback. I was saying I have comments on that topic and will happily discuss the lack of conspiracy but the presence of election tie in, if you so choose. As for going back to the beginning, you're welcome to do that yourself. :)

    And no one appointed thread police but a host just reminded everyone that the discussion is prices not other topics. I was am following the hosts requests and staying on topic in this discussion. If you wish to discuss further you are welome to email me--in my profile, read.

    $2.29 in General Dayton area. But that will break down quickly as some stations are not up and some only went to $2.27.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • hypnosis44hypnosis44 Member Posts: 483
    Responding to: "Hypothetically, if gas prices were to increase in the next two weeks how would you explain it?"

    Us old politicos know that less than 2% of those likely to vote will be affected by much of anything in the last three weeks of any election. Gas prices would have now begun going back to "normal" having had their predictable effect on the electorate.

    An interesting study would be to see what average gas prices are in the four pivotal states still in play where 2% will make the difference in the outcome.

    Regular unleaded prices here in Santa Monica CA were inching back up to $2.20 a gallon.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    Yeah, I just looked at some of your prior posts. You might be the king of offering political, conspiracy theories for the price of oil and gas. Apparently you find that acceptable and within the context of this discussion. But somehow you feel refuting these claims is out of bounds. Hmmm... Seems like an inconsistency to me.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    2.20 where and which 11 of the last 24 months? last local price i saw was2.29x x=9. it has been that way for over a week.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    Us old politicos know that less than 2% of those likely to vote will be affected by much of anything in the last three weeks of any election. Gas prices would have now begun going back to "normal" having had their predictable effect on the electorate.

    Interesting theory. Hard to disagree with an old politico. I'll watch the Virginia race where the Republican candidate is in a virtual dead heat with his opponent. Good news for Virginians. They can expect their gas prices to continue their decline for the next two weeks. Or at least not go up. According to gasbuddy.com Virginians are currently paying $2.05 a gallon.
  • bigfurbigfur Member Posts: 649
    Gas has been around 2.10 for about the past week or so. Today shot up to 2.29. Thankfully i managed to find a station for 2.08 before they went up. And as far as politicians and fuel...i say just get rid of the politicians and keep the fuel lol.
  • jae5jae5 Member Posts: 1,206
    did something happen, did a prince stub his toe, rain drop fall or something?

    I filled up Monday evening @ Jewel for $2.039 regular; Tuesday creeped up to $2.059 and last night saw it was $2.139. The BPs, Citgos were worse. They were the same Monday @ $2.039 ~ $2.049 and yesterday they were $2.199 ~ $2.209. Speedway was higher @ $2.299. :cry: :sick:
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Average USA price is $2.21 today from a low of $2.18 a few days ago.

    Phoenix lowest is $1.99 with most of the low ones being $2.03 or $2.05
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Little bit of restoration going on now.

    2.19 instead of 2.17 here.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    The 50 least expensive stations are now $2.29 or less. Least expensive unleaded listed is $2.21. I cannot remember CA gas prices being as low as the National average. Something is going on.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Go to this page Gary:

    Do a gas chart

    Choose LA, San Diego, and USA Average and choose a 3-yr chart.

    There are at least three times in the last 36 months where the Los Angeles and San Diego average prices have equaled or been below the USA Average. And many many times when there was just a few cents difference.

    CA gas prices being as low or below USA average is not unheard of.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Cool chart. I must have been at work in Alaska and missed those days. You can see CA has gotten the shaft considering we refine our own gas or at least most of it.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    That's true about the refining part.

    Most areas of the country which refine a lot of their own gas get a break. That's why the Oklahoma region usually has some of the lowest prices in the country. Missouri must be in that "refine our own" category too because their prices tend to be low also.

    apparently CA and NY have the highest state gas tax caps at 60 cents per gallon. That must be where the "shaft" is coming from. :shades:
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Something else interesting on that chart. Canada parallels us precisely. For a country that has plenty of oil. Enough to be our number one importer. That seems like someone up there is really ripping the public. Probably the Queen.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    Is Canada's oil industry nationalized?

    There was a time not too long ago when the UK was an oil exporter yet they still had very high gas prices compared to ours. I suppose the logic is by discouraging domestic use there is more to export and more money coming into your country. It makes some sense. Its the opposite approach that Venezuala is taking. I think gas there is something like 20 cents a gallon and the rise in consumption is pretty steep. Chavez may need to put the brakes on that because exporting oil is how he funds his socialistic utopia. If it all gets used up domestically where's the money going to come from?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It probably is controlled by the government. That is why it seems odd they would not control the price. Keep it stable for the public. Chavez has no idea what he is doing. Should be a good market for SUVs down there. Not American made ones though.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    It's not nationalized in Canada.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    Well if it's not nationalized then the corporations involved are compelled to charge the market rate for oil and gas. Afterall, they aren't charities.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,414
    Indeed, and I see no evidence to the contrary.

    Corporations aren't charities, until it's time to dole out some American style socialism/corporate welfare...
  • p100p100 Member Posts: 1,116
    I just noticed that diesel was prices at $ 3/gallon at several gas stations ltely. An d regular gas at $ 2.1`4 at the same places. What possible excuse do they have now for pricing dieselo fuel so high? Is this a nationwide phenomenon? If so, somebody tell me that the prices of fuel are not being manipulated by oil corporations.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Up 6 cents to $2.19 in State College. We took a road trip to Philly over the weekend and saw prices anywhere from $2.11 to $2.29
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Sunoco Regular is now $2.13, up two cents from Friday.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Lowest price now at $2.19. The 50 lowest priced stations are under $2.30 for unleaded regular. Many stations selling premium for a dime over regular. $2.39 lowest priced premium at many stations. Diesel best price I can find is $2.49 most selling diesel for $2.79.
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