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I've actually thought about that, except that I don't have the patience! Plus, my truck only has a 16 gallon tank, and when I fill up it usually only takes 11-12 gallons. On top of that, around here the price of 89 often splits the middle between 87 and 93, so at best about all I'll get is 90 octane for the price of 89.
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Thanks iluv - I needed a good laugh this a.m..... :P
Honestly though, have you taken a hard look at (fer instance) any of Exxon-Mobiles quarterly statements? If you look beyond the gross net profit (which is the only number ever quoted in the MSM) you can determine just how MUCH profit was made on the final sale of refined products (domestically) and also the quantity of refined products sold (domestically).
You'll find that typically, they make a profit of around $.08 to $0.10 per gallon of product sold.
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If you do that you might as well close this discussion down.
This is a DISCUSSION forum, correct? What's the point of only REPORTING gas prices if there is no discussion? Because if all we have is post after post of "unleaded was $2.xx this morning" then it gets pretty dang boring pretty dang fast. And you'll end up with about 3 guys in here reporting gas prices from 3 widely seperate points of the compass.
So long as the discussion is about GAS PRICES, I think it's germane.
Just a random thought from the p-nut gallery...
I agree. For simply providing local gas prices there's already a website, gasbuddy.com, that does a far better job than this thread would ever do.
There's another discussion called Will our dependence on oil ever end? which is much better place to talk about the issues that impact global oil pricing. We're not saying don't talk about it... just not in this specific discussion. Thanks!
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"Increased demand, lower inventories and colder weather are some of the factors pushing gas prices up," Rossi said. "What looked like an environment for lower gasoline prices in the post-Thanksgiving period now appears to have changed."
AND:
What's happening:
•Oil. Oil prices have risen 6% since the end of October as a tight supply-and-demand balance has propped up prices. Oil costs account for more than half of the retail gasoline price.
•Supply. Gasoline inventories have declined as refiners produce other, more profitable fuels and close plants for maintenance. Gasoline inventories were down 2.6% last week from a year ago, the Energy Department said Wednesday.
"This is the part of the year where you usually see inventory accumulation and we're running a little behind," says Bill O'Grady, assistant director of market analysis at A.G. Edwards.
•Demand. A drop in prices from earlier this year appears to be propping up demand for gasoline. In the four weeks ended Dec. 1, average gasoline demand was up 1.6% from a year ago. Gas demand is up 1% in 2006 from 2005.
So, it's not just some magical mystical gas price ripoff. It's NATURALLY OCCURRING world oil and gasoline market forces, AS USUAL, which drive prices up and down.
PS Phoenix lowest is $2.17 today.
Just this afternoon, Sheetz dropped 3 cents to $2.12 for 87 but kept 93 at $2.35.
Odie
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BTW, the cost of premium fuel has gone up again. $ 2.55 for premium today. If this keeps up, we will be back to $3/gallon in no time at all.
Still at $2.35 here in central PA, as we crossed I-80 in the Poconos and the Delaware Water gap area we generally saw $2.23, in as we approached NYC the prices in NJ were mostly around $2.15.
$2.24
Gary - so much for the prices dropping to $2 by then as was your October prognostication. :shades:
Current USA Average is just below $2.29 and Phoenix average is $2.27ish.
Oil prices still $62 a barrel and OPEC to cut production again looks like:
OPEC members will gather this week in Abuja, Nigeria, ahead of the cartel's official meeting on Thursday. Most analysts expect OPEC to agree to cut production a second time in as many months, but some aren't convinced that the group's members will fully comply with cuts even if they approve them. OPEC members are expected to vote to reduce production by up to 1 million barrels a day as members try to set a floor for oil prices around $60 a barrel
87 - $2.179
89 - $2.279
91 - $2.339
93 - $2.379
diesel - $2.479
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Myself and other posters have posted article after article on this board and others which show how the WORLD OIL MARKET determines gasoline prices, and nothing else. Not an American political party or figure or conspiracy(ies).
Phoenix is going up (as are gasoline futures, controlled by nothing in the US Congress) and is $2.17-$2.21 right now.
So what will prices do if that supersized dose of reverse socialism gifted to big oil is repealed? Will there be any retaliatory action?
CNN? Well, there's your first problem...
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Or look at it from the opposite perspective. What if we all drove 14 mpg vehicles and burned as much fuel as johnny? Imagine how much we'd be paying then. It would be a lot more than $2.50/gallon if we were lucky enough to be even able to find gas. And the oil companies are the bad guys. No need for individual accountability.
In my case, what I regularly drive usually gets around 10-12 mpg, and I think the best I ever got out of it was 16. But my commute to work is about 3 1/2 miles, and let's face it, not too many people are going to use a Prius to haul firewood, make a run to the dump, carry 4x8 sheets of plywood, etc! It might cost me $100 per month, at most, to fuel it. And no vehicle in the world is going to be economical enough compared to that to offset a car payment. Unless the government or somebody starts giving me $200-300 per month in tax credits to buy something!
I agree. If gas became expensive enough those people with long commutes using their low mpg vehicle as their daily driver might explore alternatives. I've got to believe its not too difficult to pick up an old beater truck for around $3k that you'd use specifically for hauling purposes, i.e. what a truck was designed for. Then have a more fuel efficient vehicle for your commute and other errands.
There's just too much traffic to do it safely, IMO, although there are people who do. There was also a guy who works here who got struck and killed by a woman in an SUV (I hate it when the stereotype gets reinforced) while riding his bike home from work.
Plus, there's one little less-than desireable patch I have to go through, that's in between a strip mall and a couple of apartment complexes. There's a Shell station there that gets robbed on a regular basis. The area's not so bad during the day, but after dark it can get a little exciting sometimes! I'd rather go through it with a car, preferably an armored one with a roof-mounted flamethrower, than on foot or bike!
Yeah, that can make a big difference, whether it's city streets or higher-speed roads. I figure on a bad day, my commute to work takes about 10 minutes. And that's a REALLY bad day! Yesterday, we took my pickup truck to the body shop to drop it off (it got rear-ended...AGAIN :mad: ) and 6 minutes into the trip we were actually beyond my place of work!
Oh, and as for taking the bus, the nearest bus stop is about a mile from my house. That's a mile in the opposite direction from work, and that route goes nowhere near my job. If I walked about two miles in the direction of my job though, I could catch a bus the rest of the way in.
Even though I tend to drive gas guzzling monsters, I actually feel the same way. I'd like to see a gas tax that would fund some R&D into energy alternatives. And that being said, if I did drive more, I would buy a smaller, more efficient car to do the running around and such. But with the limited driving I do, the increased insurance and costs of maintaining an additional car just wouldn't be worth the fuel savings.
And if/when the truck does finally die, even if I bought another full-sized truck that got 15 mpg in my type of driving, that would be a huge fuel savings right there! And I'd like to think that 15 mpg with a new truck in the type of driving that gets my old Silverado 10-12 should be feasible.
The average American spends 3.7% of his income on fuel. That's the same as it was in the mid 60's. I pay $2.25/gallon where I live. I consider that extremely cheap and I am by no means a rich person.
Don't worry, tpe, I never took it that way. And I promise I won't go Red Forman on ya, either! :P
In a twisted sort of way, me driving the truck actually IS saving some fuel! I also have a 2000 Dodge Intrepid. One of my roommates doesn't have a car, and I had been letting him use the truck when he only worked 4-5 miles away. But now he works about 20 miles away, so I've been letting him borrow the Intrepid, while I drive the truck. The Intrepid is old enough and high-mileage enough at this point that it's probably fully depreciated, so it's not like he's killing its value by driving it that much. And I've gotten to the point I actually prefer the truck...it feels more comfortable to me, and now whenever I drive the Intrepid it just feels so low to the ground and I start to question why I ever bought anything so tiny!
That was actually really funny, I laughed my dumbass off.
Why shouldn't I have cheap gas to put into my 400+ horsepower GM truck or SUV ? Oil, is made by the earth which means we will never run out of it. The "peak oil myth" like Debeers in the diamond industry is the propoganda of creating false shortages to keep prices and profits high. This is what "Big Oil" has done to you and I.
I'm with you on the 'broken up' part. But think about who was at the helm when some of the biggest mergers went thru: Exxon-Mobile (merged in 1999). Texaco merged with Shell and Saudi Aramco(1998). BP merged with Amoco (1998). Only Chevron-Texaco (2001) and Conoco-Philips (2002) occurred under Bush's watch.
I don't see what this really has to do with anything....Bill Clinton, was a pseudo-capatalist and a free marketeer president which were among his biggest flaws however he would of done something presidential if gas prices went as high as they did under Dubya's watch. I remember under Clinton, gas prices being $0.70 a gallon in Michigan.
Taken over by the government? On what grounds? We aren't some tin-pot dictatorship where various industries can just be nationalized on a whim. Unless you think that ANY industry that shows "too much" profit should just be taken over by government since the owner's were obviously just being 'greedy'. (Although if your aim is to eliminate profit, then having an industry run by the government is a surefire solution....)
Well in Norway, the government does control the oil and distributes the wealth among its citizens in social programs available for each one of its citizens. So that theory does work but perhaps not in the U.S. where greed is the driving force.
Then you should be actively seeking HIGHER prices, not lower. Higher prices ultimately mean that less fuel is consumed. Less fuel consumed = better for the 'one earth'.
I haven't seen any evidence proving your theory of raising prices will restrict/control driving working. Most people that drive have a purpose for their communute whether it be going to work, buisness, or see a family memeber. Punishing them for doing those nessecary things is flat out wrong. If you want to limit oil consumption then bring in alternative fuels like bio-diesel, but I think there is other alternatives to just driving less. The only ones you end up hurting with raising prices is the poor and middle class but you should already know this rorr.
Why aren't you actively seeking about a $2/gallon tax levied by the feds with the money earmarked for alternative fuel research. THAT would actually make more sense than you 'wishing' that Big Oil would simultaneously lower the prices at the pump AND spend EVEN MORE money on alternative fuel research.
Because we can't afford such a tax in this current economy. It would be one thing if this country had high wages, national healthcare, strong unions, and a strong middle class. You need to watch "War against the Middle Class" Thursday 12-14-06 on CNN hosted by Lou Dobbs at 6 p.m. Central time to recognize how average americans are struggling. I've been hit this year with about $3K in medical bills out of pocket and I have good insurance compared to most. It's a big bite out of my bottom line rorr. A $2.00 tax per gallon would make gas about unaffordable to all but the very well off. That isn't a solution to the problem IMHO unless we start paying americans realistic wages once again and fight to keep jobs here.
Rocky
P.S. Gas prices in Amarillo range from $2.14-$2.50 range. I paid $2.19 this morning at the shell station I frequently fuel at. Dumas, prices are at $2.24-$2.29 from what I saw.
Norway is a huge oil exporter so there actually is wealth to distribute. This wealth comes from oil importers like the US that pay 60+ dollars a barrel. Create cheap oil and suddenly Norway's wonderful system starts to unravel. BTW, despite Norway having this much oil the price there for gasoline is about $5.50/gallon. Almost 70% of this is due to taxes. So the question is, do you really support Norway's system? Do you think Norway's government is in favor of its citizens driving full sized SUVs and trucks? The country/government you should have used as an example is Venezuala. Gas is cheap there. Apparently you and Chavez think along the same lines.
Also, since the US is the largest oil importer nationalizing the oil industry would not generate wealth for the country.
but perhaps not in the U.S. where greed is the driving force
What's wrong with a little greed? Many people would consider the desire for material posession that far exceeded needs to be a sign of greed, e.g. the type of vehicle you seem to prefer.
A $2.00 tax per gallon would make gas about unaffordable to all but the very well off.
They pay this in other countries. Are their citizens richer than US citizens? I remember when gas was about $1/gallon and I was advocating a $1 gas tax. Very unpopular position and the prevailing argument was that it would cripple the economy. I think we've seen in the last 1 1/2 years that even $3/gallon gas does not devastate the economy. I predict that within the next few years market conditions will have us paying $4/gallon. We'll see what that does to the economy. If these prices were created through taxes the government would have the funds to mitigate the adverse effects this had on the poor.
No. Those countries have a very good mass transit transportation system and only middle class and rich people can afford to have a car. In those countries like Hong Kong, China, there are more Mercedes. Porsche and BMW than here in USA and gas tax there is US$3.00.
Not too many people drive to work.