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  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Brutus, I just did a web site so I could put a picture of my truck for sale. It was easy. I used FrontPage to make it. That program is in the Interenet Explorer program group. You make your page and then save it to a file called index.htm or .html. Then I used Web Publishing Wizard to upload it to my ISP's server per their directions. I use AT&T and they give free web page space, many others do the same. There are details I didn't mention, if you're interested let me know.

    I'll put pics of my new truck on soon, right now it's a little plain, to say the least. The URL is

    http://vofm.home.att.net
  • grizzly1grizzly1 Member Posts: 111
    Vince- In my brochure it shows the payload to be 3077lb for a 3/4, LB, extcab, 4x4. Maybe that's for the base model, & not for the LS. I must have been reading it wrong all this time. Like you said, my extcab should be less than yours. Glad to hear your not having any problems thus far. From my understanding, the 3/4s have not had too many problems to speak of.
    For sure, I'll be getting the sway bar, & the air bags, but not too sure of the Hellwig. Would Hotchkiss be a better choice, ignoring the expense?
    Going to be gone a couple of days.. Headed to Reno to see the "River Dance" at the El Dorado. My timing is bad though, snow storm moving in Sunday night & Monday, the day we're returning home. I do have front wheel drive with snow tires though, so I feel pretty secure. Chains also of course. Where's my truck when I need it? Talk to you on my return.

    Gary-
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    You have to subtract the weight of the auto trans, air con, power seats (if ordered), and so on from that number. As for the bar, Mike didn't have much good to say about the Hellwig due to mounting issues but I think the bar itself is okay. I have no knowledge of Hotchkiss. I found another manufacturer called IED or IAD, I can look it up if you are interested. A few months ago they didn't list the new Silverado on their web site but that doesn't mean much. The price was between the other two guys. Or you could just take it to a suspension shop and let them fit one in.

    You mentioned the passlock security system but not the basic alarm so I don't know if you are aware of it. The truck comes with a "content" alarm which honks the horn if a door is opened without the key or remote. It's a minimum alarm to be sure but is better than nothing.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    I've had the dealers remove the 4x4 decals on my last two trucks when they prepped them prior to my picking them up. It only takes them a couple of minutes and they do it all the time. I figured that there was no need for me to do anything silly to my new trucks by mistake.

    Vince, thanks for the web info. It's just a matter of me not be so lazy and playing around with it a little.

    I discovered the ease of opening the sliding rear window in my last truck when I locked myself out. It took about 10 seconds with a butter knife and no damage was done to the window. It didn't deter me from getting the slider on the new truck. If someone wants to steal your $30,000 truck, a $100 broken window won't likely be a deterrent. They can replace a piece of the slider window glass even cheaper, so I'm not sure a rod will be much of deterrent.

    I'd still recommend that you invest in a Club, even if you do get a security system. They're only about $30 or $40. The benefit of the Club is that they are highly visible. Often that is all the deterrent a thief needs. Why waste time on a truck with the Club when they get another truck just like it in the next parking lot that doesn't have the Club.
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    If you buy a Club, get the one that prevents the air bag from being stolen. Since most Silverado's are new and covered by insurance, it isn't much of a problem yet. But it will be (air bag theft that is).

    As far as a bar blocking the sliding window goes, it will help keep out some kids. Nothing will stop the pro who want your truck; NOTHING. Every level of security added simply reduces the number of people who can get into your truck. And a couple of kids (or a transient sleeping in your cab) can make a terrible mess without stealing your truck. A small bar to keep the window from sliding will keep them out at very little cost. Just be sure to wrap a piece of tape around it and leave at 'tail' sticking up so you can pull it out when you want to open the window.

    I still don't have much good to say about the Helwig bar. The mounting is poor (but improved according to Robert Sayre) and the fit of the bar is not much better (interference at the driver's side shock mount). I would suggest the Hotchkiss, but it is $$.

    Yes I would like the website for IED or IAD to check them out.

    Mike
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    Northern lights were out this morning. Green color only, but very nice.....
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    Oh sure, rub it in!!!

    I don't think my life will be complete until I see the Lights.

    Mike
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Brutus, I also had the 4x4 stickers removed from my new Silverado. The truck has busy enough lines without adding that tacky decal. Maybe if I were still in high school I'd love it...

    Mike, the stabilizer bar company is IPD, the web site is
    http://www.ipdusa.com/suspension/suvs__vans___pickups.html
    They still only show the 98 ($255 for 1" rear) but you should call them. JC Whitney also sells a no name bar, I remember seeing it in their catalog. You must have seen it too when you were looking for the Hellwig. By the way, I sent Hellwig an e-mail and they said the parts will be sent soon.

    On a different subject, I received a set of Catch All floor mats that I ordered from R&D
    http://www.truckautoaccessories.com/rd/
    on the web (nice people, good $) and I really like them. They are pricy at $70/set but by far the best design I've seen because they cover 100% of the floor and half way up the center hump where my muddy foot rests. They look good because of the matching carpet but you can still hose them off.

    I'm going to order a Tuffliner bed liner in the next few days. Brutus, I noticed you have a Line-X in your truck. I'm sure you like it but I have a question. Have you ever carried a washer or refrigerator, not in a box? If so, does the liner make it harder? Reason I ask is from the discussions here I see that the spray-ins keep things from sliding which is usually good except when you have a 200lb fridge with little metal feet that you are trying to maneuver into a corner of the bed. In that case I don't lift, I slide. Any opinions?
  • gvmelbrtygvmelbrty Member Posts: 64
    About the Club as a theft deterrent... remember, something is only as strong as it's weakest link. In the case of the Club, it's the steering wheel itself. Steering wheel metal is soft; designed to easily bend in case of an accident. You'll never saw through a Club, but who cares, a thief will just hack saw through your steering wheel in under 30 seconds. Then, you just spread the wheel apart, and out comes the Club.

    When I was researching auto alarm systems several years ago, I came across an article that included advice given by one of the nation's top Corvette thieves. Before finally getting caught, he had successfully stolen an unbelievable number of 'Vettes. As part of his sentencing, he was required to advise auto manufactures on how to better design anti-theft systems.

    In the article he said only two things ever stopped him from stealing a car. If he saw that the 'Vette had a steering collar lock, he moved on to the next one. He said it just took too long to bust through them. These are the locks that completely cover your steering column and/or ignition switch in a steel, locked case. You can get steering collar locks for most vehicles these days. The other thing that sometimes stumped him was a well hidden ignition cut-off switch. Even then, if he really wanted the car, he said he just towed it off!

    As far as alarms, he said most were easy to bypass. He discussed just one of many tricks he used with 'Vettes that had alarms: he walked by the target 'Vette at 4am one night and slapped the side, triggering the alarm. Owner wakes up, checks things out, goes to bed. Next night, thief slaps 'Vette at 3am. Owner wakes up, goes through same routine. Next night, thief slaps 'Vette at 5:15am. Now miffed, owner wakes up, goes through routine again. Fourth night, thief slaps 'Vette - but this time, no alarm! Owner disarmed due to annoying early-morning false alarms. Thief steals 'Vette.

    Since reading that article, I add a steering collar lock and ignition cut-off switch to slow down the determined thief, and a fake, flashing LED light to deter the casual, teenager thief. These items end false triggers given by expensive alarms, and are a step up from the false sense of security given by Club-type devises.

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    -GvMeLbrty
  • ahollowellahollowell Member Posts: 14
    Vince,

    I had the under-bed Tuffliner installed in my new Dodge last week, and it's great. The Tuffliner has the wider sections on the floor that match the grooves of the truck's bed, so you don't have the "waffle" pattern of some of the other bedliners. Also, Tuffliner now mixes a "rubber" ingredient in with their plastic, so the bedliner is not really slippery. I had the bed filled with soapy water last week after washing the truck, abd tried to slide around in the bed, but could not. However, when loading a bunch of boxes, they moved on the liner a lot easier than my friend's truck with the Line-X.

    Also, the Tuffliner has the slots in the sides to fit 2x4's, so you can create either a divider to help hold items in place, or a "platform", that you can place 4x8 sheet stock on, and still have room underneath for 2x4's, etc.

    My dealer had a 1/4" thick closed-cell foam pad they advertised prevents the bedliner from scratching the paint. It costs about $28, and came with a five-year guarantee. For $28, I figured I would give it a try. When I pull the liner out in 5 years, I'll let you know how the bed looks. :)

    Cost on the liner was $149, with another $20 to install, plus the pad ($20) and taxes.

    I went with the under-bed liner, since I plan to add a cap soon. I purchased a bed-rail protector kit from J.C. Whitney. This kit is self-adhesive rubber, about 3 3/4" wide and 16 feet long. It installed pretty easily, and was simple to trim to fit with an X-Acto knife. Looks facory-installed; almost as pretty as the Ford bed protectors.

    Hope this didn't run on too long. I have a LOT more to add about trucks and campers, and will do so in the near future. In the meantime, maybe you'd like to see what I have done. Check out my truck and camper at http://users.erols.com/ahollow/dodgeram/

    Thanks for reading!
  • ahollowellahollowell Member Posts: 14
    I would not recommend placing the Happijac rear "buttons" in the body sheetmetal. My instruction sheet specifically mentioned NOT to do this on the Dodge. Just place your hand on the sheetmetal where the button would go, and push lightly. See how easy the metal gives. I have actually seen these buttons pull out of the sheetmetal. The threaded hooks used with the tie-downs can be bought in almost any length, so going to your bumper should not be a problem, and will be 100 times stronger than the sheetmetal.

    Also, the chrome buttons kind of match the chrome bumper and blend in. A bumper should only cost $300 to replace, vs. $$$$ worth of sheetmetal and paint repairs necessary to "fix" a hole in the side of the bed.

    I have used the bumper mount on my last two trucks and over 3 years now, and strongly recommend it over the sheetmetal mount.

    Just my opinion. Thanks!
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    Just how much over the max payload and max weight rating are you?

    Dodge rates your truck to carry a max payload of 1560lbs. Lance says your camper weighs 1935lbs. Add two people, gas, AC, water, food, clothes, etc, and you have to be about 1000lbs over the trucks capacity.

    In my case, my truck has a 2000lb capacity and wehave a 1200lb camper. Myself, my wife, gas, food water, AC, clothers, etc. weigh 900lbs; and we pack light!!

    It looks like you need a 3/4 ton truck for that camper.

    Mike
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    I'd definitley think a 3/4 ton would be in order, but the rig looks sharp.

    How do you like the air bags? Do you notice much of a difference when riding empty without the camper?

    When you tow, what size hitch are you using. I'm thinking I'm going to have to go with a Class V, but my camper is a 10'11", so it sticks out about three feet. I plan to ask around this winter. I'm starting to see quite a few large slide-in campers with 2-4 vehicle snow machine trailers in tow.
  • ahollowellahollowell Member Posts: 14
    Thanks, guys.

    Long story on why 1500 vs. 2500, I'll save that for another day. My old truck was a Ford F150 ext cab 4x4 SB that carried this camper for 3 years. The air bags were definitely a requirement. With only 10 lbs in the bags when running empty, there is no difference or effect on the truck's stock handling. They really come in handy for those occasional heavy loads, since once you buy a truck, everyone is your friend. :)

    As to the weight issue, I know I'm over. I have been trying to get to a weigh station while empty, then loaded, to get some specs. This may not happen till Spring, but I'll post once I have them. I also figure I'm pushing over 1000 lbs past the 6600 GVWR sticker, but you can't tell this by driving the truck. The handling and pickup is excellent, especially compared to my older truck. The 5.9 and 3.92 rear really help in this case.

    I do understand the extra stress on the truck components, and will submit my dissertation on why I have no problem with this in the future. (Hint: axle weight vs. GVWR)

    As to towing, I have a Class III hitch with a custom extension welded up. It is 2" x 12" solid stock, with the 5/8" hole for the receiver hookup. Welded onto it is a 2 1/2" tube approx. 24" long, with the hitch bar and ball welded on, instead of pinned. This helped eliminate some of the free-play in the set-up. I can stand and bounce all my 200 lbs on this, and not detect any flex in the bar or the receiver, and my trailer tongue weight is only 100 lbs, so I have no problem with this. PS: Safety chain brackets were welded on for both the truck hookup, and the boat hookup.

    Brutus, for your rig I agree with the Class V receiver from Reese. This has a 2 1/2" receiver, and a custom extension that allows it to extend out to 3 different positions, depending on the length of your camper overhang. They are great! If you can get a Lance catalog, you'll see they recommend them for all trucks while towing and using a Lance camper. This hitch also does not require any connection to the extended camper; it is just so strong extended out from the truck.

    Thanks!
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Thanks for the info on the Club etc. It's funny how easy it is to focus on only one part of the entire system and forget about the weak link. I learned a similar trick years ago with houses which I used to break into my own house once. I don't care how strong the lock is, if you can get at the hinges just pop the pins out and remove the door!

    The older Chevy's were known to have weak steering columns around the ignition switch. A good wack and away you go. My dad's 86 (?) full size Blazer was stolen this way, that's when I learned about it. The column collar would have prevented it.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Well now we are well rounded. One Ford, one Dodge, and two Chevys. Chevy wins! Ha. Welcome to our topic, we're kind of a small group here.

    I see we think alike. I also choose the Tuffliner due to the floor design. I have a generic liner in my old truck and I don't like those little ridges. They also rip the metal molding off the bottom of my Lance if I don't put a board down first. I ordered an under-rail version today from a place in Arizona. That is the closest distributor Tuffliner has to CA. They said they lower their price for CA people to offset shipping. It has to come by truck which runs around $70 and the total came to $205 (LB). I didn't realize they were only $140 anyway. The Penda and others run $180-200 so I thought it was reasonable.

    My only concern with the design is that it could trap water underneath and promote rust over time. The corrugated ones let more air under. What do you think? I would like to get one of those pads also. How does it affect the fit? Does it prevent the liner from really fitting down in the grooves of the bed?

    Your rig looks great. When I saw it my first thought was "what the heck is he using to keep that truck level?" No way a 1/2 ton could hold that camper so gracefully. As I read down your list I saw the light. I have the Air Lift version of the bags on mine but I've yet to put the camper on. The compressor kit I bought has pressure switches that kick on the compressor to keep a minimum of 5psi in the bags. They say that under-inflation is the #1 cause of failure. Brutus, I can't feel any no-load ride difference with 5psi bags versus no bags. ahollowell, if you decide to install an on-board compressor the Air Ride kit works well and runs about $170 vs. the Firestone heavy duty kit with a tank at about $350.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    I agree on the button location and had already made that decision. I've noticed newer trucks with them in the bumper and today I looked at a few Lance brochures and all the trucks had them mounted in the bumper. My 89 Ford has them in the sheet metal an there is absolutely no sheet metal distortion. They are very strong. In fact, much stronger than the front mounts believe it or not. I had to be towed recently, my first time with the camper, and he came out in a flatbed. The combined rig was really high and top heavy. There were some nasty potholes in the road out of the campground and the truck swayed side to side quite a bit. A few days later I noticed one of the front brackets had flexed, hit the sheet metal, and kept going. It bent the sheet metal at the corner of the bed and of course cracked the paint. Too bad. After seeing this I realized how strong the eye bolts in the camper are! It didn't bother them a bit.

    So I'm going to go to the camper dealer and buy the mounts and will put them on myself. They quoted $80 for the set, that sounds really high for a few brackets. Hopefully the lady was mistaken. I'll need longer shafts for the turnbuckle too. Thanks for your opinion, it confirmed my feelings.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    I'm curious, what type of camper steps does everyone use? I'm guessing your camper came with a bumper and step. Mine didn't so I use the aluminum scissor type of folding step. They work well however I have the 3-step version and with the new higher truck I'll need the 4-step version. Anyone interested in a used set? That Dodge should be about the right height!
  • ahollowellahollowell Member Posts: 14
    Vince,

    The pad is closed-cell foam approx 1/4" thick, and covers the whole floor and up the wheelhousings. When first installed, walking on the bed felt like walking on thick shag carpeting, but as I added weight (the camper, boxes, etc) the bedliner seems to have molded really nice to the bed floor. I wouldn't worry about rust. It would take many years of sitting water to rust through a bed, and with the metal used in the newer trucks, I expect they will almost never rust through. Surface rust may form, but it is easily sanded off, and the bed can be repainted to match the truck, or coated with Rustoleum to prevent further surface rust. This is what I did with my 1990 Ford. There was no rust pitting anywhere, just light surface rust where the paint had been scratched all the way through.

    The brackets, including the chrome buttons, cost me $101 from my dealer. I noticed them on sale from Camping World for $67 just after I installed the set from the dealer. Oh, well. My new turnbuckle shafts cost $10 each (12" long) from the dealer, also.

    When I looked at the Lance in late 1996, the Shortbed model did not have a bumper, and required the folding steps, similar to what you use. I was at a Camper show looking at all the Lance models, and asked the dealer why they could not put the bumper and step on the shortbed model, since it looked like it would bolt right up. Well, the dealer called the factory right from the show floor, and told them what I wanted. The factory called me back a few days later and stated they looked into it, and would be willing to do it for me. By the time I ordered my camper, Lance had made the rear bumper and step standard on the shortbed. I'm glad to see Lance pays attention to it's customers.
  • ahollowellahollowell Member Posts: 14
    Anyone notice the time on these postings? Looks like this server is located in Pacific Standard time, as are probably most of you. I am on the East coast, so you need to add three hours to my posting times. I did not post this at 5:30 AM, I don't even know what 5:30 AM looks like. :)
  • tomfitztomfitz Member Posts: 7
    We are a ways yet from taking the plunge; I really appreciate everybody here sharing their experiences. One question my wife has: on a long weekend at a primative campsite, how well would a camper's battery cope with using a small microwave? Mr Coffee? Running the refer on electricity rather than propane? Do campers vary in their capacities on this or are they all about the same? My quick perusal of factory literature hasn't been very illuminating. Thanks!
  • ahollowellahollowell Member Posts: 14
    Tom,
    I'll try to help answer some of your questions. On the use of the refrig, mine is a three-way. I plug into AC power the night before I travel to get the refrig nice and cold. I then change to 12V while driving. Once at the campsite, I change to propane and stay that way for the rest of the trip. I have a 5lb. propane tank, and have filled it once in 3 years. I use the refrigerator all day every Saturday of the summer, plus one week straight camping. This also includes the times I've used the propane for cooking and heat. Propane will go a long way!

    As to the battery, most campers have a self-contained battery to run the camper lights, heater blower, radio, etc. When the camper AC is plugged in, it helps to recharge the battery. First thing you want to do is install a battery isolator into your truck. This basically allows the alternator to charge two batteries while the truck is running, but only drain one battery for the camper, and not affect the truck's capability of starting again. This way, your camper battery will charge while you are driving, and discharge while you are camping. Worst case if you run down the camper battery is that you'll just have to start the truck and let the camper battery charge back up for an hour or so. Please be considerate of your camping neighbors, the noise or exhaust of the truck may be a problem.

    Now, how do we run a microwave or Mr. Coffee from a 12V battery? We could spend a whole chapter on this, but I'll try to be brief. We use a power inverter. This device basically takes the straight 12V battery power and converts it into a modified sine wave at 110VAC, allowing your electrical appliances to work. If you wish to run a microwave, you'll need a 1500W inverter. These can run from $500 to $1500 depending on the type of sine wave you need. If you use computer equipment, TV's and electric motors you'll end up needing the more expensive true sine wave output units. Careful, though, since any power convertwer will drain your battery pretty quickly.

    Hope I answered some of your questions.

    Sorry I ran on for so long.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    My microwave does not work with the battery. I have to crank the generator on. I've never tried the power outlets, but I don't think they will work from the battery either. The comment about being considerate of your neighbors is true with generators also. Even up here in Alaska, the busier campgrounds (including State campgrounds) have quiet hours where you can't run a generator or a diesel engine. Those hours usually start around 10pm and end around 8am-9am. This isn't a problem. You'll hear people cranking up their generators 30-60 minutes before quiet time and then again in the morning just to maintain a maximum charge on their battery.

    In Alaska, people sometimes run their furnaces at night. Although furnaces operate on propane, the blowers need the battery, so extended use of the furnace can drain the battery depending how cold it is. On one of my first camping trips, a switch on my furnace broke, so only cool air blew out. Since this didn't warm the camper, the blower kept running all night because the temp never hit the thermostat setting. My battery drained overnight. I awoke early in the morning to the sound of my CO2 detector going off. I couldn't start the generator because the battery was completely drained. Of course, the remedy was to start the truck and then I was able to crank the generator. The switch was replaced under warranty and all was well.

    The frig can drain your battery pretty quick also, so it's important to remember to switch from battery to propane when you arrive at your destination. I know of several people who forgot to do this and drained their battery. When I drained my battery, my frig clicked off also, even though it was running on propane. Most things that use propane still need an ignition of some sort to work. When the frig needs to turn on, it will use the battery to start the propane. The drain on the battery to do this function is almost non-existent, but if your battery is completely dead, the frig won't work. Same for the hot water heater.

    Next month, I'm going to drive out of town 90 minutes or so and see how the snowmobilers use their campers. When it is 0-25 degrees outside, I can imagine that the furnace is on quite a bit. I've heard that some people run their generators all weekend. If everyone is running their generators all night, nobody would be annoyed. Most of the snowmobile places usually have large staging areas where people can spread out.

    I've have also I've also heard that some people have super batteries that last longer than the average battery. Personally, I plan to eventually get a second camper battery so I have two that will work in tandem, rather than one.

    I plan to do quite a bit of winter camping next year. I'm shopping for snowmobiles (I'm leaning towards a Polaris RMK, although I'm taking a good look at the Yamaha Mountain Max and the Ski-Doo Summit....not as impressed with the Arctic Cat Powder Special) and plan to buy next Spring or Summer when prices drop after the season. That is another reason I'm looking into the hitch issue. I'm already planning to get the air bags.
  • blawlessblawless Member Posts: 29
    We just bought a 1969 8.5 Travel Queen from it's original owner. Nearly new inside and out and veeery heavy. One problem. The camper originally had a cable lifting system that would slide into receivers in the frame of the camper and fold up underneath for storage. Last year, these were stolen while the camper was in storage. In the interest of keeping the camper original, my wife and I would like to find a set of the original jacks. If anyone knows where I could go a-searchin' let me know.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    The simple answer to your battery question is: none of the above. You do not run any of those items you listed off the battery because they are all high power users. To run a 1200 watt appliance (typical for heat) at 12V takes 100 amps assuming perfect efficiency in the converter. Your battery would be dead about the time your popcorn is done. Instead you rely on propane. Make your coffee on the stove and run the fridge on propane. The microwave is out unless you have shore power or a generator.

    A single good deep cycle battery can carry you through about 3 days of typical use including lights and fan forced furnace without running the engine at all. This of course varies a lot depending on your particular use patterns. I run with 2 batteries in parallel to extend that period and/or allow me to waste power without worry. As mentioned above, you MUST isolate the truck battery from the camper or I guarantee you will be standing in front of your truck in the morning with jumper cables in your hand (voice of experience). You can use a solid state (diode) isolator or a mechanical relay.

    ahollowell, that's a pretty amazing propane tank you have: 5 lbs in 3 years??? I have 2 tanks and fill them at least once per season (5 gallons each = 20 pounds each is the correct measure I believe). I run the fridge only on propane and use the heater freely. In any case propane does go a long way.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    That's a tough one. A problem with campers is that they are near the bottom of the RV food chain. RV stores and parts suppliers focus on the big rigs and, oh ya, carry a few camper items too. I had a '71 Gladding Del Ray (I bet no one has ever heard of that one!) and it had 3 screw jacks with tripod bases that I think are similar to yours. They were removed for travel and could be held horizontally under the overhang area. You may be able to find some of these, I think JC Whitney used to sell them. Also ask RV stores in your area, they may be able to order some.

    I almost never carried the jacks because they are too much hassle to set up just for stabilizing and the tripod bases had to be carried inside the camper. If you don't mind the extra cost and weight, you should consider permanent jacks mounted on the corners. They make hydraulic, mechanical, or even electric ones now.
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    I just received the updated mounts from Hellwig. It looks like these will eliminate the need for a crossmember. The mounts should prevent the frame flex noted with the original mounts.

    The bar is unchanged, the rest of the kit is unchanged, just the frame mounts are updated.

    So, the tight fit/interference at the driver's side shock mount is still a problem. To my eye, if the bar were 2-3" wider with a different bend on the driver's side it would fit better.

    All that said, the bar, with all its installation problems, seems to work acceptably.

    Mike
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    Propane does go a long way, but one tank in three seasons is pretty impressive. I went through several tanks this summer, but I went camping over a dozen times and each time was a minimum of three days.

    No doubt, the weak link with the Club is the steering column. A hacksaw through the steering wheel will easily remove it. However, the trucks that are being stolen the most are high in availabilty. If there are three similar trucks in the parking lot and one has the Club, chances are that the thief will try to take one of the other two. Not because they can't remove the Club. It's just another thing to hassle with and to repair or cover up.
  • blawlessblawless Member Posts: 29
    I am actually using the tripod base screw jacks now. The original owner bought these to replace the originals that were pilfered. He had 1-1/2" pipe welded to the jack body so that he could bypass the flat platform on the head of the jack. this makes the aftermarket jacks extremely stable. It also makes them very bulky so I would never dream of bringing them along since I don't want to damage the beautiful interior of this rig.
    Now for the original jack system: The camper has a steel (yes steel!) frame underneath with three 1-1/2" dia. receivers(or holes) on each side. The lift system consisted of four poles and two ratcheting cranks. The four poles would stand at each corner and an arm would go into the holes. The crank would sit in the third hole inserted located in the center of the side. Cables ran from the crank to the legs so that as you cranked, both legs on that side would raise or lower. The setup is repeated on the other side.
    I have thought of adding permanent jacks, but it is such a small and simple camper that packing up to move takes seconds. Also, since I only laid out $650 for it in the first place, another $500 isn't too appealing. Finally, at our favorite campground, we just boat into town and walk from there, so the truck hardly moves. Like I said, I would like the cable system to restore the original package, I am not too worried about stabilizing, leveling, removal, etc.
    Thanks a million for the response, talk to you later.
  • blawlessblawless Member Posts: 29
    sorry
  • js3150js3150 Member Posts: 3
    Hello.

    I know almost nothing about pickup trucks.
    However, I'm very keen on getting an older one with
    a camper on the back. This seems to be a great
    combo - use the truck in the winter or whenever
    something needs hauling - and stick the camper on
    the back whenever we want to go camping. Works
    better for me than buying an older motorhome.
    Every day in the local paper I see trucks with
    campers ranging in price from $2k on up. I guess
    I'd pay up to about $5k for a good, reliable, low
    miles truck and non-leaky camper.
    However, I need something that gets decent fuel
    milage - say 15 to 20 mpg, without the camper on
    the back, 10 to 15 mpg with the camper. I also
    need a big enough cab to stick 2 kids in the back.

    The sliding window is neccessary, too.
    Any recommendations for a 70's - 80's truck than
    may meet my needs? Any particular engine to look
    out for?
    Thanks in advance for your help.

    Jon
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Wow, I've never heard of such a contraption. I think you'll have to be content with what you have.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Where do I start. First off, don't expect that kind of mileage from an older truck. I have a 89 Ford F-250 with the smallest V8 (5.0L) and it gets about 13 mixed driving and 8-10 with the camper. New trucks are better but that's not what you want. Stay away from the Ford 460 engine. It is very common in older heavy trucks and you can expect to get about 6-8 mpg from the carbureted version. Good engines are: GM 350, Dodge 318, Ford 302 (5L) and 351.

    I suppose you could find a "low miles" truck for $5k due to the age alone but I doubt they come around too often. More likely you could do well with one that's had the engine and trans rebuilt recently. Try to stay in the 80s at least. First thing when you get one, take it in and have all the hoses and belts replaced. It's cheap insurance on an old vehicle.

    For the camper, there are plenty of old ones for sale cheap because the value really drops. For example look at the post from blawless, $650 for a very clean old camper. I sold my old one ('71) for $1100 and it was in great shape. Watch out for one problem though. Some older campers don't fit on the last body style Chevy, or the current Dodge & F-150 because they tapered the rear of the bed so it is narrower at the back than the front. The problem campers have stick-out sections behind the wheel well area. These are used for interior storage or what ever, but they hit the sides of those Chevys. Campers which are the same width on the bottom for the entire length are fine. Or the others will fit on a Ford or old Dodge.

    Too bad you need the back seat. My Ford is for sale and it's perfect otherwise. 100% ready for a camper to be plopped on. Sure you wouldn't want to squeeze a little?
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    I actually have pictures of my truck on the web
    now.

    http://vofm.home.att.net/chevy1.jpg
    http://vofm.home.att.net/chevy2.jpg
    http://vofm.home.att.net/chevy3.jpg
    http://vofm.home.att.net/chevy4.jpg
    http://vofm.home.att.net/chevy5.jpg

    I'll be changing the location evenutally if AT&T
    can ever get their cable modem system up again.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    Very sharp looking truck Vince. I saw a 99 GMC2500 extended cab the other day that had lots of extras on it. It was two tone blue and silver with those round chrome tube steps. From what I can tell, the main difference betweeen the Silverado and GMC is the front end cosmetics. Both look sharp.

    As for those mpg figures in an older truck, it's just not going to happen. The new trucks get better mpg than the older trucks, and it's tough to get that kind of mpg with them. My 92 F-250HD 4x4 with the 351 only got 14-15 on the hwy. You might be able to get a truck for the $5,000 price range you're looking at, but it might require some elbow grease. I sold my 92 for $8,500 and the guy got a great deal. I just didn't want to hassle with selling it. I was really just looking for trade-in value. My truck wasn't even halfway through it's useful life before major maintenance.
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    My 99 Silverado 4x4 with 4.8L and 5 spd gets 20+ empty and 15+ with the camper.

    I doubt you will find an older truck that can come close.

    And the only reason I get 15+ with the camper is my camper is a popup camper and is only 6" high over the cab in the down position. Otherwise I'd be getting 12-13. As for kids riding in the back - its generally illegal unless they have seatbelts on, and it is unsafe in the event of an accident. Look at the surfaces inside the cab, smooth-rounded-padded, look at the surfaces in the camper, sharp-squared-unforgiving. I wouldn't want to risk anyone I cared about in the camper while moving.

    Mike
  • grizzly1grizzly1 Member Posts: 111
    Vince, is that a furry critter I see in your truck, or is it a furry coat with eyes, ears, & nose? I'll bet he/she is your best friend. Your truck looks really fine. What lake is in the background? Do you camp there? Maybe you can show us a photo with the camper on.
    Still no Silverado on this end. It was shipped out from Pontiac, to Milpitas, Ca. on the 5th, so it's either sitting in Milpitas, or at the dealers, & they haven't called. Will be on the phone first thing in the a m. Will keep you posted. I've been out of town, so need to catch up on the postings. Vince, to refresh my memory, are you getting any type of bed liner? As I've mentioned earlier, I've been thinking of the Line-X, but may go with a heavy rubber mat.Undecided.
    First things first...I NEEEEEED a truck!!

    Gary-
  • blawlessblawless Member Posts: 29
    I happen to own an older rig. Mine is an 87 1/2 ton 2WD GMC. If I sold my truck and camper tomorrow, I would expect to take in $5,500-$6,000 in my area. Here's what you would get:
    The truck: 86k mi., 3/4 ton suspension, long bed, 4spd manual, 305 ci (5.0L) engine.
    The camper: 1969 8.5ft Travel Queen, beautiful interior, icebox, stove, oven, 40 gal H2O tank, private porta-potti, sleeps 5.
    Looking at this setup, you may think, "nothing special", but the important thing here is that absolutely everything works perfectly on both rigs.
    I buy what I can afford and take care of it like it was new. Since I have no AC, no auto, no power windows or locks, I am allowed more payload. I carry my camper and tow a 16.5 foot ski boat. On the freeway, I can pull out a whopping 60 mph! I get 10-11 mpg with or without my camper. I have a buddy from work who is selling a fantastic 1979 Ford F150 with a 460, auto, extended cab and beautiful paint for $5,500.
    If you could find something like that and an inexpensive camper like mine, I think you would be glad you spent the extra $1,000. I don't really have any advice, the best I can do is tell you the way thing are in my world.
    Good luck, and I hope you are successful in your search, my wife and I are extremely happy with ours.
  • blawlessblawless Member Posts: 29
    Like the truck! I fell in love with the front end of those new Chevy's the first time I saw one. My mother-in-law and my wife could only say, "Only a man could fall in love with a truck". I am about ready to put mine through some serious customizing, I'll try to get my pics out there for anyone who cares.
  • grizzly1grizzly1 Member Posts: 111
    Saw your post in the Plane Jane topic about the Tuffliner. Answered my question on post #197.

    Gary-
  • js3150js3150 Member Posts: 3
    Good to read your responses - Vince and others. The engine recommendations are particularly helpful. I looked at a '78 Chevy crew cab last week - 37k original miles - with a decent camper on the back. Truck was in good shape, except the valves needed adjusting and the fuel pump was a little leaky. But this thing was huge! I didn't even ask what kind of gas milage it got, but I know I couldn't affort to run it. The truck wouldn't even have fit in my garage, either!

    Over the weekend I stopped by the local Lance camper agent. Some nice units there. Checked out the agents 93 Dodge 250 w/ Cummins turbo diesel. When he told me what kind of milage he gets and how those engines run and run, everything started to make sense.

    Cummins diesel trucks priced even below 10k seem very hard to come by. I guess I'll have to wait a few years. But boy, what a nice unit that would make.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Uh, 37k original miles on a 21 year old vehicle? Can I interest you in a slightly used bridge?

    An alternative for you to consider would be a smaller vehicle, maybe an SUV, and a tent trailer. Those aren't a bad compromise for a minimum rig.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    So you like my fur coat? She has always traveled with me in my old trucks but now with a brand new one it's tough to sit there and watch her drool on the dash and down the windows. I cover the seat but still hair gets everywhere. Oh well, man's best friend and all that stuff...

    So your truck is in my backyard. I live in Milpitas. I'll run down to the train yard and tell them to get a move on for you. The pictures were taken in the hills behind my house. Milpitas is on the edge of Silicon Valley so we have the foothills along one border. The lake is Calaveras reservoir. There's no camping there but it is a nice drive to wander through the back hills. I grew up in Livermore (your average little cattle ranching and nuclear weapons development town), not too far from here, and spent many a hour tripping through very similar terrain.

    I haven't put the camper on the truck yet but I'm getting close. Only a few tasks left. I might post pics but it's going to look stupid because the camper has light & dark brown and black trim and the truck is silver. Maybe I'll have the trim repainted. I'll post a few pics of my old rigs, that'll give us something to blab about for awhile.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    OK Gary, here's the poop. I gave my reasoning for choosing the Tuffliner long ago in this topic. After I put it in I got to thinking how nice a Line-X would be... But I'm content with my decision for now. If I ever want a spray-in I can always add it. They tear up the bed surface before application anyway. Actually I really like the idea of the spray-in but am concerned about a few aspects and if it turns out I'm not happy, well then what would I do. I guess I could put a traditional liner on top of it, I never thought of that before.

    Anyway I do have something useful to say. The Happyjac camper mount system now has an optional stabilizer bar for the front. It is a rectangular steel tube that goes across the front inside of the bed and bolts on each end to the inner plate of the front brackets. They recommend it for heavier campers, which means you. The man-who-knows at the camper dealer strongly recommended it so I bought it. It is not meant to be used with a bedliner, they compete for the same space. They don't recommend bedliners anyway because the camper slides around too much. So this is a reason for you to not buy a drop-in liner. The bar would fit fine with a spray-in. For your use I would recommend a spray-in or a simple rubber mat.

    I am going to force fit the bar and the liner in place. It takes a little doing but can be done with some modification of each.
  • nasvikingnasviking Member Posts: 43
    Figured I better check with you guys first.I'm looking at a Sunline 8.5 Sportster truck camper with ac, bath and shower. Got dealer down to $2,500 from $3,500, going to see Sat., says in very good condition.Does that sound like an alright deal in PA area Dealer is about 60 miles from shore, I assume there is nothing to rust. Says it had a leak in roof near entrance at one time. Can a tube of black jack and roof cemment protect these rubber roofs in the future?
    Also, does Sunline still make truck campers, I don't think so, would parts be a big concern. Thanks
  • jraskejraske Member Posts: 131
    Might have more what you are looking for, 94 Dodge
    Dakota SLT, 3.9 V6, club cab, air, power windows, door locks, 5sp, camper shell, carpet kit,custom wheels, 8ft slide in cab over camper. 115.000 mi
    $7000 with camper, $6000 W/O. Plus it will fit in your garage. Gets 20mpg empty, 10 mpg with camper.
    John
  • nasvikingnasviking Member Posts: 43
    Thanks for your response. Your right the roof is aluminum, I remember the salesman commenting it might be noisy in the rain. It's a 1987 with a fridge, furnace and shower with hot water heater. I'm ordering a Chev 2500 3/4 ton silverado in January, the camper is an 8.5 foot at 1,700 pounds.Plus I'll be towing a pontoon boat, you'd be surprised how light and easy they are to tow and launch. Tow now with an 88 suburban with a 350.
    I copied all your areas to check on the camper and will take it with me Sat.
    Thanks again.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    I have a rubber roof, so I can't speak for the aluminum roof, but I sure like the sound of rain on the roof at night when camping. Maybe some of it is because it reminds me that I'm not outside in my tent.

    The 3/4 ton Silverado should handle that size camper and boat with ease. Those of you who have the Silverados, what size engine did you opt for, the 5.3 or the 6.0?

    Just out of curiousity, does anyone know how much a Class V Reese hitch cost (installed price preferably). This snowmobile shopping is getting pricey when you factor in the extras like the bigger hitch, the tow trailer, the snowmobile cover, etc. Even the helmets cost more than $100. Good thing I'm waiting until the Spring. I'll probably end up having $10,000 in this purchase before it is all over.
  • nasvikingnasviking Member Posts: 43
    This site will have prices for you. Just click on the "titan hitch" and then click for your type of truck. www.ReeseHitch.com
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    That sounds like a great deal. Twelve years isn't a big deal if it was taken care of. You should plan on resealing the entire roof. That needs to be done every now and then but usually gets ignored.

    And yes, in a really heavy downpour you can't believe how loud it gets. It's totally fun because you are warm and dry. Very cozy. With normal rain it's not too bad.
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