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  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Brutus, I agree about the factory jack. I always carry a 6 ton bottle jack and have used it 3 times with the camper on. It lifts the rig with no problem at all. Those are great jacks, small and cheap but very effective and easy to use.

    Funny problem with the rock, I never thought about it being a singley owner. My 89 Ford has a nasty design flaw that led to a similar problem. Twice I got a small rock stuck between the front brake rotor and the metal splash shield (or whatever that thin metal piece surrounding most of the rotor is). Talk about noise, oh my. You've never heard such a loud shrill shrieking noise. It sounds like the front end is going to fall off the truck any second. The only fix is to remove the tire and fish out the rock with a wire or something. After the second time I covered the opening in the top of the splash shields with a S.S. metal mesh. No problems since. I'm amazed this problem even existed on such a mature product when it happened to me twice in less than 15k miles. Guess I'm just lucky.
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    Vince,

    I had a rock get stuck in between the brake disk and the shield about 6 times going up the Dalton Highway. First time was a panic - we are in the middle of nowhere and this horrible sound. I quickly discovered the cause and the cure.

    Stop, back up 10 feet and resume. Worked every time.

    It is amazing where that gravel goes when you are driving on a gravel road. I must have brought 100lbs of it back with us. In the frame, in the rear bumper, on top of anything that has a top and is under the truck.

    One thing that this truck has never gotten, and everyother disk braked vehicle I've ever noticed is brake dust on the wheels.

    21,000 miles and the wheels have never gotten that brown/black ugly appearance. It is either a miracle brake pad material, or air flows from out to in through the wheels, or the clear coat will not allow the brake dust to stick. Sure looks a lot nicer than any Mercedes I see on the road.

    Mike
  • grizzly1grizzly1 Member Posts: 111
    I didn't realize you could change the oil for the first time without affecting your warranty. What type of oil did you use? Are you going to do the differential? I'll sure as hell do it myself, if it doesn't negate the warranty. By the way, got all my electrical& tie down brackets done Monday. It really looks good, & very beefy I might add. The Air Lift air bags had to be ordered directly from Lance. These bags are made only for Lance, so no other distributor has them. I'll be moving the camper for the first time this week to put it under cover. It will probably take me an hour for the first time. Can't be too careful.
    I have 557mi on the truck, & it just purrs like a kitten. No noise, shakes or rattles.

    Gary-
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Mike, so you know about that awful sound. I'll bet is was scary way out there. I was upset and I was only 50 miles from home. I tried backing up and it didn't squeal but didn't dislodge the rock either. Glad to know it works on this truck (although our brakes are different so?). Use the metal screen modification before returning to Alaska!

    Gary, the first change is no different than any other during the warranty period. It is fine to do your own work, even the manual says so, just keep a record and keep your receipts. I've started an envelope just for oil and filter receipts and I'll stick with AC Delco filters for now. I suggest you change the oil around 1000 miles. I did the Oil Minder reset thing and it didn't respond. I expected this from reading similar posts about the 2000 models.

    Mike(s), does your oil message flash when you do the reset?
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    I wondered how long it would take: Fleetwood has a camper with a slide-out! It was mentioned in a small note on a large add for 2000 models so I suspect it's not out yet. The Caribou site doesn't say anything about it.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    With all the other things I'm doing to the truck and the holidays etc. I still haven't put my camper on! I bet you beat me to it. I'd love to go out next weekend but I think I'll be Christmas shopping and maybe waiting for the phone to ring about the add for the old truck. I'm really getting a poor response and have had to run a second add. That's unusual in this area.
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    Vince,

    Yes my truck will indicate when I have reset the oil minder. In fact, last time I reset it at a stoplight on the way to your house.

    Turn off the key. Turn on the key. Wait until the warning lights quit changing (15 seconds?). Throttle to the floor 3 times in 5 seconds. The oil change light then blinks rapidly at me. I would worry the computer did not accept the change if it doesn't flash back at me.

    I've gotten quotes from 3 dealers for a 3/4 ton truck. Most of them won't believe you can buy a manual transmission in this truck. One dealer looked for a vehicle that he could trade for, and he said there is not a single manual trans 3/4 ton truck in California and I would have to order it. Not a big problem, except to him. He wants to close a deal today. What I need to do is to take my truck in and find out what they will give me in trade. Then I know my bottom line when I want to sell it.

    Later,

    Mike
  • grizzly1grizzly1 Member Posts: 111
    What brand of oil did you use? 10-30, 10-40. I think I'll change mine around a 1000, instead of the 1500 I was originally going to do.
    I would think your old truck would sell around this time of year, & as I remember, it was a nice looking truck. Good luck. I'll let you know how it went moving the camper for the first.
    Gary-
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    Why don't you use the 5w-30 recommended for this truck?

    I've been using Mobil 1 0W-30 or 5W-30 since the 2nd oil change at 2500 miles.

    I've used Mobil 1 for over 100,000 miles in a couple of other vehicles I have. Works well for me. But, probably any modern oil that meets the current requirements will suffice. Much more important to use quality filters, the correct oil and frequent oil changes than what brand you use.

    Mike L
  • grizzly1grizzly1 Member Posts: 111
    I didn't realize 5w-30 was recommended for this truck, & if that's the case, then 5w-30 it is. How about the AC Delco, would you consider that to be a quality filter? Hey, I just talked with the GM people, & they said if you change your own oil, they can't guarantee the warranty if something goes wrong, but then again too, I think they'll tell you anything to get you to use there service dept.. It doesn't take an engineer to change the oil. What do you think? Thanks for the info. Mike.

    Gary-
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Mike, several people on the Silverado topic with 2000s said they didn't get the oil light flash. You said wait until the warning lights stop changing, I'm not sure what changes you mean but I didn't do that. I'll try again.

    Gary, as long as you have receipts I wouldn't worry about the warranty. They can't make it a condition of the warranty to have all work done at the dealer. I used 10-30 Castrol (Kragen had a 99 cent sale on it). Since it doesn't get very cold here the 10-30 is fine but when I switch to synthetic I'll use the 5-30. Don't use 10-40. The AC Delco filters looked pretty good in that crazy guy's filter analysis that has caused such a stir in the web motor-head community (I assume you have seen it). For sure GM can't complain about warranty if you use their filter. I'd like to use the AC Delco Gold version if I can locate some. Anyone know where to buy them (and don't say Auto-Zone!)?
  • grizzly1grizzly1 Member Posts: 111
    Vince I'll keep my eyes open for the gold Delco. Yes, I did read that guy's analytical comments on the filters. I've used AC Delco for years, but if I find the Gold, I'll try it.
    I got my Air Lifts today that were ordered from Lance. Remember when I mentioned to you the bags were different? Well, now I know what makes them different. It shows a cut away version, & inside the bag, the bottom portion, is a jounce bumper, therefore keeping them from bottoming out if you should lose air. It does say to keep 5 lbs. in them. Long as they do the job there intended for, I'll be happy. Won't be moving the camper tomorrow...Sow level down to 1500' possible here in the Grass Valley foothills. Might be kind of nice actually. By the way Vince, where did you install your air valves on the truck? For the air bags that is.

    Gary-
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    I installed the valves inside the wheel well, in a sheet metal lip on the front bottom. I choose that location because it doesn't show and was a nice tee location for the compressor lines. I noticed Mike put his in the license plate well of the rear bumper. That is a better place if you don't have an on-board compressor because you can fill them both up at one spot. This assumes you will have separate lines for each bag. That's the best way because campers aren't always balanced side to side.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Well it's done. To get the end-links oriented front to rear I had to modify (bend) their brackets a little. With the truck modifications and then the bracket modifications this job took way longer than it should have. The end result is that the bar is in and I assume functioning correctly. If someone wants to add a rear bar the Hellwig works, barely, but it shouldn't be the first choice. I sent them a long e-mail detailing the problems, who knows if they will actually fix it.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Mike I tried the waiting game but to no avail. Nary a flash to be seen. I'll put a post on the Silverado thread and see if anyone has learned more.
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    I agree with Vince, use AC Delco filters. I haven't seen the gold one yet, but will probably buy it when I find it.

    When I took delivery of my truck the PF59 was hard to find, so I had the dealer sell me 5 at cost. I'm down to my last one.

    Mike
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    (I hid my last post which I wrote from memory when I was tired. I realized later it made no sense so here's the fixed version.)

    I promised Mike2 that I would send him any hints I
    had about installation. I'll post them here since
    it's a short list and Gary you may be interested.
    This applies to the Air Lift Super Duty bags.

    It's a pretty straightforward job and I really
    only have one issue. The upper bracket connects
    with a horizontal screw in the center for which you
    have to drill a hole, and a vertical screw on one
    end which uses the hole for the jounce bumper
    previously removed. The other end of the bracket is
    just a straight metal flange which is supposed to
    sit flat against the bottom of the frame. The
    problem is, as they point out in the instructions,
    that the 3/4 ton frame isn't flat in the vertical screw area, it
    slopes away so there is a gap between the bracket end and the frame. The instructions imply that this is
    okay, it will all work out in the end (at first I assumed the bracket would just bend into place). Well what
    happens is when you hold the bracket in place to
    mark for the drilled hole it seems fine but when
    you tighten the screws it isn't. As you tighten the
    vertical end screw it causes the bracket to rotate
    about the center screw and the flange on the other end of the
    bracket isn't even touching the frame. The whole
    bracket is tilted and this forces the top of the
    air bag to be tilted so the top and bottom aren't
    parallel. I didn't like that for long term life of
    the bags, plus it's just goofy.

    So I reformed their bracket by using a BIG hammer
    and a BIG vise. I bent it so the vertical screw end
    more closely followed the frame contour. Then as
    the end screw was tightened the metal was already
    up against the frame and the bracket didn't rotate
    as much. Still not perfect but better.

    Maybe there is a better solution but this is what
    I did. If you aren't a picky so and so like I am it
    would probably be fine as is.
  • mcollins2mcollins2 Member Posts: 24
    Thanks for the info Vince. Just in time, I mounted mine today on my 2500 4X4 ext cab SB. Your right on target about the mounting. Mounted my air valves in the sheet metal inside the fender wells (toward the front on the inside of the well, the sheet metal is a brace for the fenders). Looks like they are holding pressure for now. Will have to look at the compressor system if they leak too much.
    Just called my local camper dealer, my Lance 820 has been built (in CA) and is on the way (to FL). I better finish my camper wiring this week to get ready!
    Mike2
  • mcollins2mcollins2 Member Posts: 24
    Vince, you stated in a earlier post about the knockout in the firewall you located. I looked everywhere on mine and can't find it. Could you describe where it is on your truck?

    I did use a 1 1/2" knockout in the cab underside near the rear seat (for amateur antenna and tuner controls). I haven't found a good waterproof cable entrance clamp for the 1 1/2" hole. Anyone have some ideas?

    Mike2
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    I'm tired today so am being very non-productive at work playing on the internet. I'd look at the hardware store for outdoor electrical stuff for your cable entry question. Odds are you won't find the right thing though. If I was really motivated I'd go to one of the electronics surplus stores around here and scower their junk. Otherwise I'd just use electrical tape and silicon glue, my trusty friends.

    The knockout isn't really a knockout. It's a circle pressed into the firewall sheetmetal to mark the location for you. You have to drill the hole. On the inside, the plastic and foam firewall liner has a corresponding circle cutout you can lift back. To find the spot look in the engine compartment, on the firewall in the upper corner area, driver's side.

    Sorry I didn't get you the bag mounting note earlier. What did you do on the brackets? Did you have the same problem?
  • mcollins2mcollins2 Member Posts: 24
    I'll go check out the circle tonight with a flashlight! Thanks for your cable input ideas. Think I'll check Home Depot and see if they have a flush mount right angle 1 1/2" waterproof fitting (yea right). May end up with your silicone idea and a 3 X 3 inch piece of sheet metal covering the "mess".

    I had the same air lift bracket problem you had. I decided to do minimal work and I drilled the hole favoring mounting too high to compensate. Still has a small gap but after the first drive seems to be touching. I'll check it out some more after a few more miles.
  • tganleytganley Member Posts: 15
    mcollins2,

    I'm going to start seriously shopping for a camper as soon as my GMC 2500 SB gets here. (was shipped Mon 6 DEC). I like the 820 and I am wondering if there is a place I can find out what is the dealer cost. Any info you can give me on how to get the best price would be appreciated.

    Thanks
  • mcollins2mcollins2 Member Posts: 24
    tganley,
    Hi this is Mike or Mike2 for the edmunds postings.
    I don't have dealer costs. The 2000 Lance Worksheet at the dealers have the Retail pricing listed for the 820 at $13741. Retail options can total up to $10057 more. Also included normally is destination costs (depends on where you live, from CA to FL could be about $800-900), and sales tax.
    I ordered mine with just about everything: exterior, decor, convenience, and all weather packages; water heat, generator, cd, tv ant, fantastic vent, ac/heat, queen mattress, and rear awning. Make sure you order the prewire for solar panel, it's inexpensive ($25) and hard to add later.
    Not too many Lance dealers to compete for the business but you can probably get some where between 10-20% off retail. I got close to 15% off and feel fine with that. Wish I got a better deal on my truck though, but at least I have one=>
    yr 2000 LS 2500 4X4 ext cab SB indigo blue/ pewter.
    You should consider the weight and center of gravity with your new truck and camper combo. You didn't say if your truck was 4X4 and ext cab. If you have 2WD you probably can't go with the Lance 820 because of the much lower payload and GVWR specs. The 820 is 2421 lbs dry, 2773 lbs with no options. The option weights are listed in the Lance catalog on p29. Depending on what you get for options and what you put in the camper will tell you how far your OVERLOADED! Check the previous posting on camper weights and A,B center of gravity measurements too. You will need Air Lifts for sure, and probably sway bar.
    Let me know if you need more info, or maybe less!
    Mike2
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    There are two Silverado 2500 2wd's. The LD (7200 lbs GVWR) and the HD (8600 lbs GVWR). The max payloads are 2600 and 3600 lbs.

    Mike L
  • buzzbbuzzb Member Posts: 13
    Have any of you guys installed a rear sway bar on a Classic K-2500 GMC/Chevy? Would appreciate any hints/suggestions.
  • mcollins2mcollins2 Member Posts: 24
    Hi Mike L,
    Is the 2500 2wd available in HD with short box?
    I think tgangly indicated he had short box, but not sure about 2wd or HD.
    Mike2
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    No I haven't but I installed one on an old Dodge. It's not very hard, especially if you have a good kit that fits right. You can buy from several companies with a Classic since everyone makes a bar for those. Scroll back for co. names & web sites.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Well I finally sold the old truck. Had to go down a little on the price but I'm happy. Now I can concentrate on the new one.
  • grizzly1grizzly1 Member Posts: 111
    Vince- Congratulations on selling your old truck. One less thing to deal with. Now you can get down to serious business with the new one. I might try & sell my Chevy 3/4 van this spring.. Kind of hard to part with, being I bought it new. It's like a selling your soul. I have two people that are interested at this time. Maybe I'll have an auction. Looks like it will be this week I'll be moving the camper. What a gorgeous morning here.. We just might have to take a drive in the truck. Any excuse will work.
    Vince/Mike- To refresh my memory, did either of you get floor mats? I'm thinking of getting the Weather Tec mats. I can get a good price as well.

    Gary-
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Yes Gary, I did buy aftermarket mats. I choose the Catch All mats from Nifty. I'm very happy with them. I looked at all the mat adds and choose these for several reasons. They are a molded to fit rubber type backing with indoor/outdoor color matched carpet on top. So they fit well, look good, and can be hosed off to clean. The molding has lips around the sides so water stays in the mat (snow melt...) and the center edge goes up the driveshaft hump about 3 inches so your accelerator foot rests on the mat, not on the hump carpet like with a flat mat. So no guilt jumping in the truck with mud coated boots. I've had only rubber mats in trucks before and liked the freedom to track awful junk in on my feet without concern. I decided to go the cushy route with this truck but refuse to baby it in use so I'm trying to find good compromises like these mats. I bought them on-line at http://www.truckautoaccessories.com/rd/ for $69 for front set (most common price elsewhere is $79), you would need the front/rear set or maybe just put rubber in back.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Since you are getting ready for the inaugural event, I'll pass on what little help I can about loading the camper. It's not difficult but does go smoother & faster with experience.

    Of course you first have to remove your tailgate. Once you have the camper jacked up, the key is to back in straight and centered from the start. Imagine (or measure and mark) the center line of the camper and the truck, then line them up when backing. I lean over so I'm sighting down the true center and don't have a parallax error. If you get in crooked you're better off starting over because there is little correction possible at that point. Once it gets to the wheel wells then those are your reference. It doesn't have to be exactly centered but shouldn't be touching one. From there just go back straight.

    Where to stop is important. I learned the hard way with my first camper/truck that the front wall of a pickup bed is weak. I had to slam the brakes once and the camper bent the front edge until the cab stopped it. That camper didn't have rubber bumpers on the front like my Lance does. If your's doesn't, you must put a 2x4 or something down in the bed. Since you have the Happijac cross bar that would stop it too but with damage. You want to stop just about when the rubber bumpers touch. You may find that the camper moves a little when dropped down. If there is a gap in the front then any sharp stop will remove it so I prefer to not have one in the first place. The top of the bed in my last truck rubbed against the camper so I put some cardboard in between. I built a carpeted board with a 2x4 spacer for my old old truck.

    Remember this note to keep from cursing. Connect the electrical before dropping the camper.

    I assume you have hydraulic jacks. For your first time you may wish to drop each corner a little at a time to have maximum control. Otherwise you can loosen each valve a little so the camper slowly drops down evenly. Be careful doing this off the truck, I almost had an emergency recently when I allowed one corner to drop too fast, the camper almost fell over! It was careless and I learned my lesson.

    When you tighten the turnbuckles they should be snug but remember they have springs/rubber inside so you don't want to tighten so much to compress them fully. After driving a few miles check them again because things settle & shift. I guess with your Line-X the camper may be very stable. I also check tightness on the road and before leaving campsites.

    One final note. I've learned a trick that works well with an automatic, you may already do this too. My driveway is uphill so you have to give a little gas to go up. As I'm sure you have felt, automatics tend to not move then as you increase power they surge and go. This is a good way to smash the camper into the front of the bed (guy who bought my old camper did exactly that in my driveway). My method is to sit fairly heavy on the gas so you are over that surge hump and regulate the truck motion with the brake. This gives very fine control.

    Good luck, let us know how many attempts it takes!
  • stabburstabbur Member Posts: 75
    After several difficult loads and unloads on soft ground I put my camper on some rugged home-built sawhorses on a concrete slab. This gave me the opportunity to put a black line on the cement that I drew just to the outside of the left front and rear wheels when lined up straight with the camper. Two marks at right angles to this line show where the rear wheel should stop when the camper is in the right position to be dropped. To get lined up I back up to the line looking at the left rear wheel and then make certain the left front is next to the line. When I take the camper off, I back up along the line until my rear tire is between the two marks and then jack up the camper. This insures that next time the camper will be in the right place for me to use the same line again. I still look carefully at the camper through the rear window as I back, since I'm a nervous guy, but eventually I will probably feel secure just looking at the painted line. And I still fine tune the last inch. This approach requires a good solid surface that a line can be put on, but if you have one, its a good way to go.
  • grizzly1grizzly1 Member Posts: 111
    Mike- Thanks for the info. on the floor mats. I remember seeing those at one of the truck shops. There nice looking, but I don't care for the high lip. I suppose if I was still living in Tahoe, then the lip would surely work well. I do like the idea you have a place to rest your accelerator foot though.

    Gary-
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    Mike2, I don't know if the HD is available in the short box. I thought it might be available with the ext cab short bed, and tganley's reply supports that; but my Silverado brochure is vague. To be honest, I've never paid much attention to short bed or ext cab specs.

    Vince, Congratulations and selling the old workhorse of a Ford. And thanks for the idea you just gave me. I can lay a piece of tape down the middle of the bed, another piece on the middle of the lower part of the camper front. It will be much easier to line the tapes up than to eyeball the side to side centering of the camper.

    Grizzly, I only have the factory floor mats. I'm not unhappy with them. It is after all, a truck and I expect it to get dirty. I still have Alaska gravel in the frame, and on the floor.

    My wife still thinks we need to be under the max GVWR. So I've been looking at 3/4 ton trucks. Seems you can get the custom cloth and folding center seat section in a GMC base model. Can't get an LS because the wife is afraid of power windows.

    I guess we all have our little quirks, and I only have to put up with hers, while she has to put up with mine.

    The only std. LS item that is not available on the GMC base model (SL) is the power windows. Of course, the Aluminum wheels and fog lights are not available either. And the price is about $500 (only) lower. The power windows don't look so bad to me. How to convince the wife. Maybe if I tell her it is her Christmas present she will be so excited she won't notice in the 5-10 years we own the truck. Maybe when she has the power windows, she will like the feature.

    Wish me luck,

    Mike L
  • stabburstabbur Member Posts: 75
    The reason that most rental cars have them is that they won't sell in the used car market without them. The used truck market is different than the car market but eventually these features will be important at resale. Once you have them it is hard to give them up. The only downside other than cost is the "underwater" issue. Does anyone really know whether they will open a window under water? (Window just needs to open once before things short out.) When we lived in a country with many canals we were given training: Stay in car and allow water to rise toward ceiling (or high spot). Take one last inhale of air then open door or window. If window or door is opened before air is displaced inrushing water pastes you against opposite side of vehicle, eliminating any chance you might have had. Also it is an exercise in how to be cool!

    Newest "car" feature in pickups is the key pad entry. I wished I had one while I lay on my back under the pickup in an Ohio Turnpike rest area getting the magnetic key holder from under the pickup bed. Next truck I get will have key pad.
  • grizzly1grizzly1 Member Posts: 111
    Vince- Thanx for the input on the loading. At least I won't be going into this totally stone cold. I have helped my neighbor load & unload a couple of times, so this may help me some. I'm sure it will be entirely different with me behind the wheel. I'm sure I don't have enough fingers or toes to count on,on how many times it's going to take me, but I'll give it my best shot. Oh, I got the air bags on today, so I'm ready to go. Will let you know how it turns out.

    Gary-
  • grizzly1grizzly1 Member Posts: 111
    Mike/Vince- I must be my mind--- Thanks Vince for the mat info., & Mike, the factory ones are OK for now. I'm not against a little terra firma.

    Gary-
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Wow Mike, that is some boat. I think you will be the King Of Overload in this topic. I bet your Silverado handles it fine. There was a runner-up a while back, a guy with a Lance on a Dodge 1/2 ton with air bags. He said it worked well. I'll be interested to hear how the truck does with the camper and boat.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    I'll take your tape idea one step further. I'm going to paint a small mark on my bedliner. The camper already has a center mark from the last owner. Actually my camper is easy to load because it isn't a very tight fit. Now my old camper was a different story because it had the stick-out areas behind the wheel wells. The space between those and the rear bed opening was about 1/2 inch on each side.

    If you both are happy with the current truck then you should keep it. I think it has proven that the small weight excess is no problem. The recommended max from the manufacturer includes subjective components like acceleration & handling, it doesn't mean the truck will break if you exceed it a little. If you do get serious about a new one, try and spend some time in a LS. The package does have some nice gizmos but more importantly has better seats and more sound insulation. Maybe the power windows will become more acceptable with familiarity.
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    I really like our 1500 truck. But, I like to keep my wife happy also. Stabbur really hit the nail on the head as to why my wife is afraid of power windows. No logic, just fear.

    The upgraded seats are available in the base GMC w/o the power windows. Might be an acceptable compromise for us. I can get the 4wd 2500, Firm Ride, Appearance Package, Convenience Group (AC, Power Locks, UM6 Radio, CC), Posi, Aux Batt, Skid Plates, Sliding RR Window, and more for $23750.

    I think the GMC comes with the sound and heat insulation standard also. I'm still thinking about it. The dealers probably hate customers like me - not in a hurry to buy, and undecided which make to buy. Now they have to convince me to order from them instead of "What do we have to do to get you to drive this truck home today?" They like that instant gratification.

    Later,

    Mike
  • ckitchensckitchens Member Posts: 67
    Response #296 says a lot. Some of those been there, done that things that people can really learn from if taken to heart. In my case - been there, done that - great response! By the way to all of you folks learning to deal with a pick-up camper, it's really not quite as easy as they show in the brochures. There is a learning curve to this thing. Good luck.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    I guess we all have our issues. The window thing is understandable but the odds of it happening are low, to say the least. Yet no fear riding for years on a motorcycle across most of the country. Sounds like you should buy the base model and keep the peace, I don't know how you could argue that issue successfully.

    You don't need to worry about the "What will it take..." line since you want a manual transmission. Once they hear that they'll start looking for another customer. I was amazed by the arrogant salesmen I ran into a few years ago at Ford and Dodge. They just aren't hungry enough around here.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Mike, did you install the steps? How are they working out?
  • mcollins2mcollins2 Member Posts: 24
    Vince - I picked up the camper today!! Loaded fine in the 2500 Silverado SB. Truck handled the 820 with no trouble at all. Thankfully I have the AirLifts; put about 80 psi in bags. Really worked out great with the Torklift tiedowns except for one thing; the passenger front bracket had one place that was not welded, only a spot weld and it snapped when I put the happijac spring on tension. No big deal, just need to get it welded. Wish I (or Torklift) would have inspected a little better before installing. Oh well just a minor problem. I used the longest (thread length) happijac springs on both front and rear. The fronts are still too short so I used a few links of the chain (from Torklift) to make up the difference. Real nice to have 4 springs holding the camper down.
    Vince I'll try and get some weight numbers this week so I can get out of being the "overload king". Or maybe I'll just have to accept the title!! Will wait a while (get some camper experience) before I attempt the boat/trailer/camper combo.
    Vince, Stabbur thanks also for the camper loading info, it sure helped me the "first time". Not a lot of spare clearance but no scratches yet!
    Mike2
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Congratulations Mike, where will you go for your first trip?

    80 psi is a lot, I didn't think I would need
    anywhere near that much. Air Lift says the bags
    will lift approximately 40 lbs per 1 psi which
    works out to 4000 lbs at the maximum allowed 100
    psi. Of course these are "5000 lb" air bags, isn't
    marketing wonderful! So at 80 psi you are lifting
    3200 lbs if you just brought it back to normal ride height. I guess that's about right if we assume the 40lbs/psi is rough and your camper weighs around 2800+ lbs, however the truck springs are also providing lift so I'm confused. I assumed the springs would do the bulk of the job and the bags would just help. Do you maybe have too much air?

    How much did your camper end up weighing? The
    sticker should include a full load of water and
    propane plus the options you have.

    I'm curious, how did the truck do without the
    assist? Did it squat down very low? How is the ride with 80 psi? I remember you don't have a sway bar yet but did you get the firm ride option? I didn't and I wonder how the shocks will handle the load. If you haven't had a camper before then you don't have a reference for side-to-side lean but take my word for it, the bar is absolutely the right thing for this top-heavy load. I'll be putting my camper on next week finally. I'll let you know how it feels compared to the old Ford.
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    Does anyone out there have stabilizer shocks on the front of the camper? I mean the type that go from the overhang down to the area near the windshield base. I'm curious as to how much they improve ride and/or handling, and if they are worth putting on. I think they run about $150 per set.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    Vince,

    I've heard that some camper manufacturers will void the warranty if you have some kind of shock or cushion between the overhang and the truck. This may not apply to what you're talking about, but I'd call the camper mfg unless you're sure.
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    Vince,

    Mounted the bracket on top of the bumper where we discussed. Seems to work OK. We are going to Death Valley between Christmas and New Years so we will see how it works.

    My dad used to have those long shocks between the camper overhang and the truck body. He said it made a big difference. But that was with the old flexible frames. These new trucks have very rigid frames by comparison, and it may not be needed.

    I've tried to watch the camper in the center rear view mirror while on rough stretches. Never noticed any movement. I used to be able to see the bed move on my old truck. The new frames are rigid and yours should be even more so.


    Mike L
  • mledtjemledtje Member Posts: 1,123
    My Air Lifts are rated at 2000 lbs @100psi. I run about 40-45 psi to maintain a level ride. At 20 lbs/1 psi, my Air Lifts are carrying 8-900 lbs and the camper is 1200 + water + food + clothes + Misc. I guess it takes 400 lbs to bring the back of my truck down to level and the Air Lifts with 40-45 psi keep it there.

    Without the Air Lifts, I was riding on the bumpstops. The stops are nice and soft and the truck still rode OK with 2-3" of travel. I like having another 3" of travel before I hit the stops.

    Mike, did you add air to get it back to empty height or to level it? I would agree that 80 psi seems like a lot of pressure. And 3200lbs sounds like a lot of load to take off the springs.

    Good Luck,

    Mike L
  • vince4vince4 Member Posts: 1,268
    The shocks I mean are promoted by Lance, they recommend them in their brochure. I've heard they help with that front-to-rear bounce where the bed is moving relative to the cab. Expansion joints in the freeway can cause this quite a lot. I also heard they help with lean but I doubt it would be significant.

    Mike, your camper is so light and non top heavy this probably isn't an issue for you in any case.
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