Now you are dreaming. WIthout a true locker, you can't go through the mud pits I went through a few weeks ago while deer hunting.
You can't tow over 5,000 lbs easily.
You can't put three "adult" passengers in your back seat comfortably. Not to mention the straight up and down backrests on the ext cab seat
You can't put almost a full cord of firewood in your "much shallower" bed that I can.
You can't ride in the comfort of lumbar. Oops. They don't make a lumbar seat for the Tindra.
You can't listen to a "quality" stereo system in your Tindra. Oops. The "3 in 1" radio sounds like a zenith transistor do it yourself "kit" radio.
You can't have the standard or even the optional equipment that my Silverado has. Not even a choice in suspensions, which the Silverado has "4" suspension options.
If you even keep it long enough to claim the so called reliability advantage you keep touting, you better hope that you DONT have to repair anything, because the nipper parts will put you into bankruptcy at more than 3X the cost of the domestic truck parts.
Actually, since my truck is truly a "full size" truck, it could not be a lemon, that would be your Tindra. Mine would be a grapefruit only with lots and lots of sugar on it, because my truck is "sweet".
You CAN say that you pissed away what could be American profits to a country that already owns more than 70% of America's banking institutions from all the gov't tax breaks and handouts that the ungrateful bastages have gotten.
AAAAAH, over 10k miles on my Silverado. No problems and loving it more and more as I see all the midget sized Tindra's on the road.
"Oh what a feeling" to want more from a supposed full sized truck.
"Now you are dreaming. WIthout a true locker, you can't go through the mud pits I went through a few weeks ago while deer hunting."
Not true, I have 4wd. Deflated tires work well too. Though your locker may be slightly more efficient than my 4wd, it's not substantial. Many Jeep Wranglers (world renoun 4wd vehicles) don't have lockers, if they do, they're aftermarket.
"You can't tow over 5,000 lbs easily."
I don't need to tow over 5k, from the uses you mentioned, you don't either.
"You can't put three "adult" passengers in your back seat comfortably."
Neither can you unless you have a crew cab, which I know you don't. Had I wanted a car load of passengers I'd have bought a Ford crew cab.
"You can't put almost a full cord of firewood in your "much shallower" bed that I can."
You're right, mine can carry slightly less in the cargo bed. I could easily get a utility trailer, but that would put my reliabilty on a par with your GM. BTW the shallower bed is how the Tundra gets it great ground clearance.
"You can't ride in the comfort of lumbar. Oops. They don't make a lumbar seat for the Tindra."
My back is sensitive to soft seats without support, my Tundra is comfortable. Didn't I read there are problems with the seats in GM trucks? Problems with the seats has to "take the cake", how could GM make unreliable seats?
"You can't listen to a "quality" stereo system in your Tindra. Oops. The "3 in 1" radio sounds like a zenith transistor do it yourself "kit" radio."
I'm very please with the quality of the stereo, rich bass and wide spectrum. Without going to an after-market system it rates very high. Since you're a Paul Harvey fan, you too must listen to lots of AM radio, do you really care about sound quality.
"You can't have the standard or even the optional equipment that my Silverado has. Not even a choice in suspensions, which the Silverado has "4" suspension options."
You have a slight point. Which of your options do you think I NEED? The computer that tells when to change the oil? I am very happy with my Tundra suspension. I think it can out handle any of the four suspensions GM offers.
"If you even keep it long enough to claim the so called reliability advantage you keep touting, you better hope that you DONT have to repair anything, because the nipper parts will put you into bankruptcy at more than 3X the cost of the domestic truck parts."
You're correct, however the reason for buying the Tundra to begin with is Toyota's reliability record. Much fewer mechanical problems than GM. It doesn't cost a dime to fix a truck that isn't broken.
"Actually, since my truck is truly a "full size" truck, it could not be a lemon, that would be your Tindra. Mine would be a grapefruit only with lots and lots of sugar on it, because my truck is "sweet"."
We'll see if your opinion changes at the 120,000 mile mark. By the way, I read the above statement as... Fullsize = not a lemon... anything else = lemon. Read it again, it makes no sense.
Another interpretation... A grapefruit = almost a lemon. Lots and lots of sugar to make it sweet = poor lots and lots of money in it to make it run!
"You CAN say that you pissed away what could be American profits to a country that already owns more than 70% of America's banking institutions from all the gov't tax breaks and handouts that the ungrateful bastages have gotten."
I would mostly agree with your statement, however there are many things wrong with the philosophy:
1) It's what our beloved government does that creates the majority of the trade defecit problems.
2) Can you really say that GM doesn't use Mexican and Canadian labor and materials. That great NAFTA treater really spoiled things.
3) Our governement GIVES away more in foreign aid than... than... you know. It's a helluv alot.
4) Many of your normal household products are foreign. Please don't call me trator, unless you'd like to be called hypocryt.
5) My national loyalty is weaker than the grudge formed from bad product engineering. Intead of fixing what they have, GM just changes things and adds features. Why should I blow my hard earned money on a company who has way more middle and upper managers than they should, that do very little, and has underpaid design engineers? I realize no company is perfect, but GM is one of the worlds most poorly rated companies regarding efficiancy and agility.
6) I don't like what Japan did during the war either. But I'm not going to fault their decendants. I'm German, does that make a [non-permissible content removed]? If I were somehow related to Hitler, would you fault me?
"AAAAAH, over 10k miles on my Silverado. No problems and loving it more and more as I see all the midget sized Tindra's on the road."
Good luck to you in the future. You're playing a numbers game, I believe you have more "jokers" in your deck than I do.
""Oh what a feeling" to want more from a supposed full sized truck."
zbad, You're right, the Nissan doesn't meet your needs. If you feel the need to trash talk, please go to rec.alt.cars.nissan.haters to vent your tirades as they are wearing a bit thin here.
Vince, You're right about the difference between rental cars with minimal equipment and indifferent maintenance. That was my point, rental cars age 4 times as fast as our vehicles. But most importantly, people like me rent those cars.
I just wish the hype over the Tundra would stop. All the facts point to this truck NOT being a full size. The overall size/interior volume is smaller than the Ford/Chevy/Dodge. The Tundra is more comparable to the Dodge Dakota. Anyone who buys a Tundra is wanting to run with the big boys, but can't quiet get there. Ford/Dodge/Chevy offer more engine options, axles, cabs, options, than Toyota every will. Toyota failed once again at trying to enter a market that Ford/GM/Dodge will dominate forever.
I agree with you that absolute size-wize, the Tundra is not as big as the domestics. But your saying all Tundra buyers want to run with the big boys is a little bit or a stretch. Not everyone is into the "mine is bigger than yours" rat race. There are still a lot of folks out there that are just looking for a decent truck to do the job - whether it be big, small, fat, or ugly. As long as it gets the job done with minimum hassle, that's all that matters.
If somebody makes a Frontier-size truck that can take a 4x8 flat between the wheel wells and haul 2000lbs and tow 5000lbs, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. The next bigger truck that can do that, without going over my garage dimensions, gets my next truck buy. (Sorry for sounding like Price-Is-Right) So far, the Tundra is that truck. I'm not into import vs domestic flag waving and I could care less whose badge is on the hood. If one the Big Three makes one that fits my target profile and passes my critical judgment, I'll buy. Just my $0.02.
i think "zbad" is just a little inscure with himself so he needs the "big" truck to feel better.he's probably one of those who puts BADZ71 on his license plate!
katsohis, kind of like you need that "TRD" sticker on the side of your new Tacoma? The TRD is a marketing gimmick you just paid for. I am an offroad/outdoors type of person and know you will never take that pretty truck into the areas your locker should be used for. I have a Ford Ranger that costed me 3K less option for option than a "TRD" Tacoma. My Ranger has a 3.73 rearend with a limited slip rear axle. I have a 4.0 5spd with 31" tires, and a few mods under $500. I have already went head to head with a guy at work who swore his TRD would just stomp my Ranger. Surprise!, I was able to climb, trail, haul anything he could. Don't get too over confident in your truck.
honestly i don't even care about off-road performance......thats not the reason for buying this truck.the only reason i got the trd option is for the ride.i had a 97 for three years with the conventional suspension and after driving a trd i was sold!why do you guys have to bash so much?it's a toyota and it just speaks for its self...........nice vehicle,well put together and an engine that doesn't sound like a semi!
Let's go over to the Chevy Truck section and trash talk those trucks. Yeah right! I got better things to do like looking for another Nissan Frontier or maybe a Toyota pickup to buy.
You see my wife intends to keep my Frontier unless I get her a sport's car. I know better than that. I'll let her drive the truck and get myself a CrewCab Frontier or maybe an Xterra.
Perhaps the title of this topic should be changed to:
"I have a problem with my Nissan truck...oops, never mind it's fixed by my the dealer...but now that I've mentioned it, feel free to flame Nissan."
Hey, so what if Toyota fans like their trucks? Do y'all have to get so worked up about it? If a person is perfectly secure about his/her vehicle purchase, other varying opinions shouldn't bother him/her one bit.
Go duke it out in a XXX vs. YYY thread. Leave these "Help me" topics for their intended purpose. Where ever your loyalty lies, when you see a fellow truck driver having a problem, stop to lend a hand or just drive on. Don't stop, roll down the window, shout "You shoulda bought a Ford!", then speed off laughing. Unless you are a complete a&&hole.
Nope, Not like last year when I was out in Eastern Oregon and helped a guy with his Tacoma. It just quit, would turn over. But I don't bring this instance up everytime people scream Toyota is perfect mine went 1 billion miles without an oil change garbage. kats, its obvious you never test drove a Mazds/Ranger its ride is much better than any Toyota. Its plastered all over every Mag or review. The TRD is much stiffer and feels ever bump, crack and crevis in the road. Gotta love that sticker!
you are so wrong about the trd.i should know i had a 97 without the trd option and it was way stiffer!just bounce on the bumper of a trd and then bounce on one without it and you will see the difference.(rear bumper that is)
you he men who have to own these gas guzzling environmental nightmares need to grow up. the psychological analysis of the issue is such that you are insecure in your manhood and have to have that big tool to show everyone what a big stud you are. the fact is you spend most of your time driving to work and only need to take up so much space i/e you only sit in one seat at a time unless the beer belly has gotten out of hand and you can't fit in a normal size vehicle. you have become a product of the american advertisement industry bigger is better. sure, wise up use your brains think for yourselves. bottom line is consumers magazine has for years rated the imports at the top for build quality and reliability which doesn,t say the american product doesn,t every once in a while put out something worth owning.
Sorry tech, you have the wrong guy. I am married, two kids and have a great job a nice home. I don't need to act like an alpha male any longer those days are long gone. And my 5 nights at the Gym over the last 4 years, no beer belly here. I admit I enjoy a beer once in a while, like a nice Pale ale. I also enjoy my Ranger with its 4x4 ability. I am responsable when I take it into the Cascade mountain range. I stay on trails that are clearly used or have been used in the past. I in no way try to make my own. Besides this is a Nissan room, I am outa here.
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You can't tow over 5,000 lbs easily.
You can't put three "adult" passengers in your back seat comfortably. Not to mention the straight up and down backrests on the ext cab seat
You can't put almost a full cord of firewood in your "much shallower" bed that I can.
You can't ride in the comfort of lumbar. Oops. They don't make a lumbar seat for the Tindra.
You can't listen to a "quality" stereo system in your Tindra. Oops. The "3 in 1" radio sounds like a zenith transistor do it yourself "kit" radio.
You can't have the standard or even the optional equipment that my Silverado has. Not even a choice in suspensions, which the Silverado has "4" suspension options.
If you even keep it long enough to claim the so called reliability advantage you keep touting, you better hope that you DONT have to repair anything, because the nipper parts will put you into bankruptcy at more than 3X the cost of the domestic truck parts.
Actually, since my truck is truly a "full size" truck, it could not be a lemon, that would be your Tindra. Mine would be a grapefruit only with lots and lots of sugar on it, because my truck is "sweet".
You CAN say that you pissed away what could be American profits to a country that already owns more than 70% of America's banking institutions from all the gov't tax breaks and handouts that the ungrateful bastages have gotten.
AAAAAH, over 10k miles on my Silverado. No problems and loving it more and more as I see all the midget sized Tindra's on the road.
"Oh what a feeling" to want more from a supposed full sized truck.
That's Paul Harvey. Good day.
can't go through the mud pits I went through a few
weeks ago while deer hunting."
Not true, I have 4wd. Deflated tires work well too. Though your locker may be slightly more efficient than my 4wd, it's not substantial. Many Jeep Wranglers (world renoun 4wd vehicles) don't have lockers, if they do, they're aftermarket.
"You can't tow over 5,000 lbs easily."
I don't need to tow over 5k, from the uses you mentioned, you don't either.
"You can't put three "adult" passengers in your
back seat comfortably."
Neither can you unless you have a crew cab, which I know you don't. Had I wanted a car load of passengers I'd have bought a Ford crew cab.
"You can't put almost a full cord of firewood in
your "much shallower" bed that I can."
You're right, mine can carry slightly less in the cargo bed. I could easily get a utility trailer, but that would put my reliabilty on a par with your GM. BTW the shallower bed is how the Tundra gets it great ground clearance.
"You can't ride in the comfort of lumbar. Oops.
They don't make a lumbar seat for the Tindra."
My back is sensitive to soft seats without support, my Tundra is comfortable. Didn't I read there are problems with the seats in GM trucks? Problems with the seats has to "take the cake", how could GM make unreliable seats?
"You can't listen to a "quality" stereo system in
your Tindra. Oops. The "3 in 1" radio sounds like a zenith transistor do it yourself "kit" radio."
I'm very please with the quality of the stereo, rich bass and wide spectrum. Without going to an after-market system it rates very high. Since you're a Paul Harvey fan, you too must listen to lots of AM radio, do you really care about sound quality.
"You can't have the standard or even the optional
equipment that my Silverado has. Not even a choice in suspensions, which the Silverado has "4"
suspension options."
You have a slight point. Which of your options do you think I NEED? The computer that tells when to change the oil? I am very happy with my Tundra suspension. I think it can out handle any of the four suspensions GM offers.
"If you even keep it long enough to claim the so
called reliability advantage you keep touting, you
better hope that you DONT have to repair anything,
because the nipper parts will put you into
bankruptcy at more than 3X the cost of the domestic truck parts."
You're correct, however the reason for buying the Tundra to begin with is Toyota's reliability record. Much fewer mechanical problems than GM. It doesn't cost a dime to fix a truck that isn't broken.
"Actually, since my truck is truly a "full size"
truck, it could not be a lemon, that would be your
Tindra. Mine would be a grapefruit only with lots
and lots of sugar on it, because my truck is
"sweet"."
We'll see if your opinion changes at the 120,000 mile mark. By the way, I read the above statement as... Fullsize = not a lemon... anything else = lemon. Read it again, it makes no sense.
Another interpretation... A grapefruit = almost a lemon. Lots and lots of sugar to make it sweet = poor lots and lots of money in it to make it run!
"You CAN say that you pissed away what could be
American profits to a country that already owns
more than 70% of America's banking institutions
from all the gov't tax breaks and handouts that the ungrateful bastages have gotten."
I would mostly agree with your statement, however there are many things wrong with the philosophy:
1) It's what our beloved government does that creates the majority of the trade defecit problems.
2) Can you really say that GM doesn't use Mexican and Canadian labor and materials. That great NAFTA treater really spoiled things.
3) Our governement GIVES away more in foreign aid than... than... you know. It's a helluv alot.
4) Many of your normal household products are foreign. Please don't call me trator, unless you'd like to be called hypocryt.
5) My national loyalty is weaker than the grudge formed from bad product engineering. Intead of fixing what they have, GM just changes things and adds features. Why should I blow my hard earned money on a company who has way more middle and upper managers than they should, that do very little, and has underpaid design engineers? I realize no company is perfect, but GM is one of the worlds most poorly rated companies regarding efficiancy and agility.
6) I don't like what Japan did during the war either. But I'm not going to fault their decendants. I'm German, does that make a [non-permissible content removed]? If I were somehow related to Hitler, would you fault me?
"AAAAAH, over 10k miles on my Silverado. No
problems and loving it more and more as I see all
the midget sized Tindra's on the road."
Good luck to you in the future. You're playing a numbers game, I believe you have more "jokers" in your deck than I do.
""Oh what a feeling" to want more from a supposed
full sized truck."
Is that the best you could do?
You're right, the Nissan doesn't meet your needs. If you feel the need to trash talk, please go to rec.alt.cars.nissan.haters to vent your tirades as they are wearing a bit thin here.
Vince,
You're right about the difference between rental cars with minimal equipment and indifferent maintenance. That was my point, rental cars age 4 times as fast as our vehicles. But most importantly, people like me rent those cars.
Rich
If somebody makes a Frontier-size truck that can take a 4x8 flat between the wheel wells and haul 2000lbs and tow 5000lbs, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. The next bigger truck that can do that, without going over my garage dimensions, gets my next truck buy. (Sorry for sounding like Price-Is-Right) So far, the Tundra is that truck. I'm not into import vs domestic flag waving and I could care less whose badge is on the hood. If one the Big Three makes one that fits my target profile and passes my critical judgment, I'll buy. Just my $0.02.
BADZ71 on his license plate!
I have a Ford Ranger that costed me 3K less option for option than a "TRD" Tacoma. My Ranger has a 3.73 rearend with a limited slip rear axle. I have a 4.0 5spd with 31" tires, and a few mods under $500. I have already went head to head with a guy at work who swore his TRD would just stomp my Ranger. Surprise!, I was able to climb, trail, haul anything he could. Don't get too over confident in your truck.
You see my wife intends to keep my Frontier unless I get her a sport's car. I know better than that. I'll let her drive the truck and get myself a CrewCab Frontier or maybe an Xterra.
Enjoy the ride.
I guess you need two of them....One for a back up in case one gets stuck or breaks down. LOL!
"I have a problem with my Nissan truck...oops, never mind it's fixed by my the dealer...but now that I've mentioned it, feel free to flame Nissan."
Hey, so what if Toyota fans like their trucks? Do y'all have to get so worked up about it? If a person is perfectly secure about his/her vehicle purchase, other varying opinions shouldn't bother him/her one bit.
Go duke it out in a XXX vs. YYY thread. Leave these "Help me" topics for their intended purpose. Where ever your loyalty lies, when you see a fellow truck driver having a problem, stop to lend a hand or just drive on. Don't stop, roll down the window, shout "You shoulda bought a Ford!", then speed off laughing. Unless you are a complete a&&hole.
kats, its obvious you never test drove a Mazds/Ranger its ride is much better than any Toyota. Its plastered all over every Mag or review. The TRD is much stiffer and feels ever bump, crack and crevis in the road. Gotta love that sticker!
Sorry tech, you have the wrong guy. I am married, two kids and have a great job a nice home. I don't need to act like an alpha male any longer those days are long gone. And my 5 nights at the Gym over the last 4 years, no beer belly here. I admit I enjoy a beer once in a while, like a nice Pale ale.
I also enjoy my Ranger with its 4x4 ability. I am responsable when I take it into the Cascade mountain range. I stay on trails that are clearly used or have been used in the past. I in no way try to make my own.
Besides this is a Nissan room, I am outa here.
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