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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    So Toyota is honoring the price at the time you put down a deposit. Not really a rebate. I think they would have saved some hassles by just using the dealer to credit the buyer. At MSRP the dealer is making a fat profit.
  • falcononefalconone Member Posts: 1,726
    Wow.. this car keeps winning awards and rightly so! I'm quite impressed!!
  • rpgolferrpgolfer Member Posts: 157
    Hi everyone,
       A simple question: When I drive a consistent 65 mph for extended periods of time, I usually only average 42-47 mpg. When I was in stop-and-go traffic, I was getting 65+ mpg. I know the car runs mostly on electric in less than 20 mph speeds. How are the rest of you doing on sustained freeway speed trips versus how it is in Thanks,
    Rich
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    This is pretty interesting when you think about the EPA ratings for the Prius: 60/51. You are exceeding the EPA rating for city driving and getting close to it on the highway. But the EPA drives cars slower than 65 on their highway tests. It would be interesting to see what you get at around 55 mph.
  • rpgolferrpgolfer Member Posts: 157
    Thanks backy,
       I had just filled my tank and left home with 23 miles on the odo. The avg mpg displayed was 44.6 and after 15 miles of less than 20 mph traffic it was over 50! I'll try 55 mph for a change and see what it gets. I don't punch it or hot rod, just normal, smooth acceleration.
    Thanks,
    Rich
  • pjo1966pjo1966 Member Posts: 159
    I had found a Prius a while back but they wanted $2000 over invoice. I was told that a 3-year-lease would be over $600/mo (I want the BC package). According to Toyota's web site, it would be closer to $488. I was wondering if anyone who has leased could share your numbers. Also, those of you who have financed, please let us know what you are paying. I searched back through the last few pages and can't find any info outside of how much above or below invoice people have paid. MF & residuals for leases and APR for financing would be most appreciated.

    Thanks...
  • alnvilmaalnvilma Member Posts: 19
    I haven't been to this site in a while and read about these newbies and (relatively) low mpg.
    I have had my Prius for over a year and the two things that helped my mpg increase noticably, were taking it on a nice long highway trip (brake in the engine?) and bumping my tire pressure to 42 front & 4o rear. Cold weather knocks me down in the 47-48 range. Once had 59mpg on a stretch of 50mph highway. I stopped nursing it and just drive:)
  • msgmsg Member Posts: 2
    We have been waiting since August for the Prius we ordered. We were told then by our dealer that we would be getting a 2005 and that only the package #6 or #9 was available. We ordered the #6. Yesterday the dealer called and said he finally got allotted our car and it was now going to be built. The bad news however, he said, was that Toyota is now only making the #9 package, with all options and the only choice buyers have is color. Is this true? We don't want, nor can we afford, this package.
  • falcononefalconone Member Posts: 1,726
    I was debating whether to get a Prius or something else when the time comes. I test drove a Mini Cooper (and the S version too). Great car, decent mileage and tons of fun. Too bad its reliability stinks. If you read the horror stories online and see what Consumer Reports say it's sad commentary. The Prius OTOH is outstanding in reliability. I rarely read of any problems. I'm going to sit on the fence a bit more until high mileage cars are on the road (2004 and up). So... Cooper is off my list and Prius is back on top. Ahhhh decisions!!!
  • railroadjamesrailroadjames Member Posts: 560
    I took my PRIUS in a few days ago for an oil change and while waiting in the customer lounge I listened to two testimonials... one was a fellow with a Toyota truck w/ 265K miles on it and running strong. The second was pretty much the same with a Camery that was..and I quote.."Best dang car I ever owned." I now have 12K on my PRIUS and not a single complaint. This IS the car of the future TODAY. CAR & DRIVER, MOTOR TREND and CONSUMMER'S REPORT have given the 04 PRIUS countless praises and thats good enough for me.
    Culliganman (the right car for the right times)
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Welcome to the forum. You are the first report I have heard of with the package # 9 only story. First off the Prius top of the line is now the # 6. In San Diego the TMV is currently $28,694. I would check with another dealer. Sounds like yours is not very informed. They may not have very good service either. It pays to check around many people are reporting that they walk into a dealer with a Prius on the lot. Go to new cars on Edmund's and find all the dealers in your area.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Could be a couple of things here: 1) the region that this dealer is in is getting only package 9's (actually 6's as gagrice said, since that is the top package now) for the forseeable future. This is quite possible because it happened in my region (Chicago Region, which covers much of the Midwest) early this year. So it's not that Toyota is making only package 6's, but that your dealer may only be getting package 6's. 2) the sales rep is misinformed or (worse) lying to you. The fact he said "package 9" is a hint that he may be misinformed. You might want to talk to the sales manager--or check with another dealer.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Member Posts: 885
    I ordered a Prius in August and just took delivery last week. I ordered package 7 (which is now package 4) and that's what I got. 2005 model. I used the Toyota Website to configure and price my car - and that site shows packages 2,4, and 6. Sounds like the dealer doesn't want to order anything other than the package 9.
  • falcononefalconone Member Posts: 1,726
    Glad to hear you're enjoying your car. The enthusiasm for this car speaks volumes. Heck.. Toyota got FREE advertising on The West Wing the other night. It was priceless!!!
  • bjrichbjrich Member Posts: 125
    from what I have learned from my dealer(car on order)by ordering the navagational pkg the order will be slowed down as they are not making many of them. as such...
    I am really glad we have chosen our dealer...I do not believe they will play any games...I do trust them as much as you can trust anyone.
  • pjo1966pjo1966 Member Posts: 159
    bjrich...

    From what most people are posting here, most dealers are providing Package 6 (BC) which has the Navigation option. Are you sure your dealer is being totally honest with you?

    Not criticizing, just asking.
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "The second was pretty much the same with a Camery that was..and I quote.."Best dang car I ever owned.""

    Congratulations on your Prius. I owned 3 Camry's in the 1990's, and they were the worst cars I've ever owned for reliability, and gas mileage.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Member Posts: 885
    I'll address this one - I ordered back in August, package 7 (now 4) in Tideland Pearl. The dealer called me last Wednesday and said they just got a package 4, but in Salsa Red and asked if I wanted that one, or wanted to wait. Red was my second choice color (close second at that) so I took it. I don't know about other parts of the country, but here in the Midwest (Kansas City area), I got the option package I wanted. I guess midwesterners don't get lost as much as the "coasters", since dealers are getting cars without the nav package.

    FWIW, I filled it up on Tuesday - almost 400 miles on it and it took a little over 8 gallons. Sure beats what I was used to paying for gas. I've got about 100 miles on the new tank and the gas gauge hasn't left the full mark yet.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Pardon me for asking, but... why did you buy Camry #2 and Camry #3?
  • tmitchelltmitchell Member Posts: 2
    We have a 2001 Prius. Due to an unfortunate accident, we need a new car ASAP. Called locally and was given the waiting list story. I understand the process as I bought the first Prius in central OH and explained the process to the DEALER. Just looking for a miracle. :)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Have you tried eBay?
  • rfruthrfruth Member Posts: 630
    eBay is one option, I know here in Houston Tx area a Prius is not hard to come by, might make for a good Thanksgiving trip ... corse Edmunds.com is a good source or carsbelowinvoice.com, sorry no miracles here.

    http://www.carsbelowinvoice.com/redir/newcar.asp?src_id=2235&- - kw_sqid=124807&OVRAW=prius&OVKEY=toyota%20prius&OVMTC- - =standard
  • falcononefalconone Member Posts: 1,726
    I guess there are lemons in every bunch. Overall the Camry has outstanding reliability according to many sources including CR. Agreed... must be a masochist to buy #2 and #3 after being miffed by #1. LOL
  • tmitchelltmitchell Member Posts: 2
    Yeah I've browsed Ebay and another site or two. I don't have a problem flying somewhere and driving the car back which is what I am sort of expecting I'll have to do. I've also tried a couple different 'buying' sources online and haven't gotten a single response. So well. I'll keep looking.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Member Posts: 885
    I've had my Prius for a week and I found myself using the energy monitor to try and "adapt" my driving. After a few days though, I turned the monitor off and drove in my "usual" manner - and got about 48 mpg with about a 50/50 mix of highway and in town driving. The car has just over 500 miles on it, and if mileage improves as the car breaks in, then it's just icing on the cake as far as I am concerned.
  • rpgolferrpgolfer Member Posts: 157
    I too, have looked at the "energy" screen and tried to "drive" by touch alone and found it to be a waste of time given road conditions, traffic, etc. If you accelerate, go up a hill or need to recharge the batteries, the engine will come on. You can't control alot of these things so like you said, take what you can get and enjoy. I do prefer to back off the throttle and "coast" to a stop sign/light and conserve where I can, but it you gotta use....use it! I visited my former workplace yesterday for a person's retirement party and was asked several times about my "electric" car. I told them I've been thoroughly delighted with the results but found absolutely no sympathy when I said I would only get 40 mpg once in awhile.
    Rich
  • bjrichbjrich Member Posts: 125
    pjo1966;I should rephrase what the sasale manageraid; it does not do us any good to add the options. as it will not help us to get the car sooner. I think he is honest but as I said, as much as anyone.I rather doubt if we would pay the extra money for the nav., so it really was just a rhetorical question when I ask him...Hi, Pjyoung.Pjyoung...soundsur mileage is doing great...great... itame that you dislike the car and I will be hsppy to drive over to Kc from St. Lou, and take it off you hands.Just kidding, as we really are not upset in waiting. Sping willSpringust fine!
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "Pardon me for asking, but... why did you buy Camry #2 and Camry #3? "

    Well, I was young(er) and stupid. The short answer is that I liked the way the car drove. However, the MPG went from 30 down to 21 MPG in the first year (for all three models). We went with the third one because it was a new design and we'd hoped they were better. However, it required major engine work at 48000 miles and that was it for me; we switched to Honda.
  • unc8185unc8185 Member Posts: 33
    Although there is a waiting list for Priuses, I think Toyota is making a mistake by not having any cars available for potential customers to inspect and test drive. I have called numerous dealers in the Atlanta area and have not been able to even see a Prius. One said that he might have a used one available that he might drive us around the block. Others just laugh.

    We are very interested in a Prius. However, we cannot buy a car without thoroughly inspecting it and trying it out. Because of our needs we must see for ourselves that the back is completely flat when the second seat is down. We also need to measure the rear opening for our motorized scooters and wheelchairs.

    The Lexus hybrid is also on our list. I do hope that the Lexus dealers will have at least one to try when it arrives. We are now inclined to keep driving our commuting car until the fall when other hybrids (e.g. Camry) arrives.

    You would think that Toyota or Southeast Toyota would make sure that there was at least one Prius available for test driving in the Atlanta area. This would sell a lot more Priuses!

    Seb
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    You might check with rental-car agencies. Some have been known to have Priuses in their fleets, e.g. Enterprise. That would give you the opportunity to take the car for a lengthy test. Living with a car over one or more days of a rental has given me a better idea of a car than any test drive. Also, it's nice to see how a car holds up after being driven hard for awhile, as most rentals are.
  • bjrichbjrich Member Posts: 125
    I have mentioned several times how confident I am of our dealer here in St. Louis. (Lou Fusz)We have driven their Prius three times. They have normal plates on it. not dealer plates.They had the forsight of buying one for demonstration, and i am sure it has helped them sell more.Not to have driven it would have certainly kept us from buying one, and indeed driving it made us want to buy one.Car dealers are an odd lot. They seem to work from their point of view...."we will do our best to do as little as we can..pay the least we can, know as little as we need to know about our product...hire the most inmature reps..selling a $20,000 item to ignorant consumers will lead us to a fortune"...and it has worked for many many years. The coming years may prove to slow them down...the consumer is gaining knowledge,,,is maturing in the way they spend $20,000. Most of the mfgs put new fenders on the cars every so often,,,,give it a new name and tell us they have a great new car...and we have been buying it.Toyota has given us a great new and well made car in the Prius...fails to make the dealers have a model to drive and sample so that we may judge it for ourselves...The dealers of all makes do many of these silly things in their efforts of making money. How they are so successful is beyond me.....
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    just my take on your post, but not directed at you.
    toyota has no problem selling every prius they make. having them available for test drives doesn't add to sales. there are only so many to go around and they want them in the hands of customers.
    dealer plates have become an expensive proposition(insurance due to liability). it's probably 'better business' to register privately.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • pjyoungpjyoung Member Posts: 885
    Maybe it's a midwest thing, but I was able to test drive a Prius that a local dealer here had for demo only. And that test drive sold me.
  • unc8185unc8185 Member Posts: 33
    Yes, there is a long waiting list now. However, having a car or two available in a metropolitan area of 4 million would help insure that the customers will remain even after new competitors emerge. It would be a help to both current and potential customers.

    $29,000 is a lot to spend without a chance to kick the tires IMHO.
  • pjo1966pjo1966 Member Posts: 159
    I was just wondering how Toyota feels about dealers hoarding the Prius for markup. As an example, there is a dealer in Southern California that has a waiting list more than a year long. These people are waiting to buy at MSRP. The same dealer has 15 Prius in stock. One is earmarked as presold and will go to the next person in line at MSRP. The remaining 14 are sitting on the lot waiting for people who are willing to pay MSRP + $2000. How is this kosher?
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    It is not "kosher." Toyota frowns on this kind of practice and should be notified of this dealer's practices.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    While Toyota may "frown on the practice", I can assure you that there is practically nothing they can do about it legally, in the real world.

    Complaining to Toyota USA about this sort of thing may make you feel better, but it has absolutely no practical effect on the ground. American franchise agreements [which are governed by state laws] put just about all of the cards in the hands of the dealers - anything short of outright fraud or financial malfeasance [i.e., not paying for their inventory] is not going to cause any dealer to break a sweat.
  • tempusvntempusvn Member Posts: 119
    Yes, in fact there is something Toyota can do.

    Right now the Prius is in high demand, so dealers are requesting more cars than they are getting. Every dealer has an 'allocation'.

    The punishment for charging over MSRP is to decrease or eliminate that allocation. In other words, Toyota can just stop sending them cars, and they have done this to some dealers.

    So, please do report all instances of over MSRP sales to Toyota Corporate.

    However, be aware that there are some ways the dealers can side-step this.

    In some cases they put dealer add-ons like paint protection, undercoating, glass etching, upgraded wheels, leather, etc, then charge for the add-ons. There's nothing Toyota can do about that even if they are charging $2K for glass etching :)

    In other cases, the dealers finagle the cars into 'used' status. Once the cars are 'used' Toyota has no say over what they are sold for.
  • lee_wlee_w Member Posts: 239
    Very difficult to read. May want to use our spell check the next time you post?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    ...Toyota USA will not cut dealer allocations based on dealer pricing. They are prohibited from doing so by most state's franchise agreements. By law in most states, including California, dealers are allowed to charge anything they want for a car, UNLESS THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS THE MANUFACTURER TO SANCTION THE DEALER FOR THIS PRACTICE.

    This is not the case for most dealers in most states for most car brands. Where the franchise was specifically set up around pricing, e.g. Saturn, the agreement carries very specific penalties for pricing "violations". For just about every other brand out there, including Toyota, the dealers are PROTECTED BY THE LAW AND THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT to charge whatever they want. When supply and demand require discounting, they discount - when it allows markups, many [not all, thankfully] cheerfully mark up the price from MSRP.

    I can assure you that Toyota will not cut the allocation of the SoCal dealer being referenced in an earlier post for this particular sin. They simply cannot punish the dealer that way over pricing. They CAN and WILL cut allocations over poor CSI scores, poor sales performance, etc....but not over pricing. Customers can mark them down on sales CSI surveys, and that eventually will have an effect, but there are lots of techniques that these dealers use to insure that their CSI scores don't suffer unduly over pricing.

    There is one, and only one, solution to this problem: supply and demand have to get closer together, and I predict this will happen by this time next year, even in the hottest markets for this car. Until then, either be patient, pay up, or find a dealer with better business practices. What Toyota the Corporation can do, it is doing: producing more cars.
  • bjrichbjrich Member Posts: 125
    sorry about the messy writing...will pay more attention..
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    OK, so if Toyota can't sanction dealers for "overpricing"... can they sanction them for taking a customer's deposit for a car, putting them on a waiting list, and then taking incoming cars and, rather than allocate them to people on the waiting list, offer them to the general public for a huge premium? Especially if they didn't tell the buyers on the wait list that this is their practice?
  • pjyoungpjyoung Member Posts: 885
    Backy..are you currently on a waiting list? If so, I'd strongly suggest looking for a dealer within a 100 mile radius and asking them what they do. I live in Kansas City, the wait here was one year. I called several small towns in Kansas and finally ordered one in Manhattan Kansas (about 130 miles west of KC). I got mine early. I had talked to a dealer in Hays KS (about halfway between KC and Denver), and they called saying they had one in, but they wanted $5,000 over invoice for it. I declined, and less than a month later mine was delivered to the Manhattan dealer.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I was on a waiting list. The dealer was professional about the whole transaction, didn't play games with me, and kept me updated (even sent me and other people on the waiting list weekly spreadsheets of our status). Maybe the fact this was a no-commission, no-haggle dealership had something to do with it.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Member Posts: 885
    I'd still look at other dealers. If you find one who is upfront with you, and there is the potential that you would get one sooner, cancel your order at that dealer and get your deposit back. I basically bought mine over the phone, and the dealership could not have been more professional and helpful.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I did look at all the dealers close to me. None offered any shorter of a wait, and none offered me a $500 discount off MSRP like this dealer did. Also, I was in no hurry, and I liked that the sales rep was an engineer by training and was very knowledgeable in hybrids and the Prius in particular. Some sales reps don't know beans about the cars they sell. But the deposit was fully refundable for any reason (I never actually had to give them any money), so if I changed my mind and bought something else, I could do it. Which I did.
  • msgmsg Member Posts: 2
    We just bought a 2005 Prius over the phone from Hudson Toyota in Jersey City, NJ (after requesting price quote from the dealer via Edmunds.com). We made the deal on Friday afternoon and picked it up Saturday morning and we paid MSRP and it had the exact option package we were looking for. We were informed that they had 2 more (B/C option package)in stock. By the way, this is the happy ending to our "dealer deception...or not" problem as posted recently on this forum (we had been on a waiting list at another dealer since August).
  • kornklankornklan Member Posts: 29
    Anybody out there have any experience with dealers in Connecticut asking more that MSRP for the Prius?
  • waltkap1waltkap1 Member Posts: 1
    Walked into a dealership in Northern VA on Wednesday and asked to test drive a prius, not expecting them to have one available for sale. The salesman said he had on silver one with option#6 that was available, the previous buyer backed out. Walked out of the dealership Friday morning, paid 26,445.00 for the car and 995 for the platinum 100K warranty. I think I did pretty good, any thoughts? Thanks.
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