"I bought my Corolla instead of a Prizm because I liked the interior and color options on the paint better...and got a slightly more discounted price." (from post #205)
Nobody answered my question about the percentages in the Big 3 trucks...I do drive an F150 too. I know thats listed as a domestic, even having been built in '89.
I knew that because the corolla and the tacoma are UAW made in the US, althought the Tundra is assembled in the US it is not UAW and the same with all other Toyota products.Not that it matters to most people but there are also alot of people who do care. What was your ? again.
Last time I checked Big 3 trucks were all about 85% domestic source.I think they have to have a certain percentage to be considered domestic. UAW built matters to me,because the UBC pays my bills.
Our 94 Saturn has been pretty reliable, so far. My biggest gripe is that @ 60,000 miles it's already using some oil. The gas mileage makes my Tundra look like a gashog. saturn 38 mpg...Tundra 18 mpg
Some oil usage is perfectly normal. Some use a little even new from the factory and still the engines outlive the bodies. As long as you are not blowing blue smoke out the back or have huge oil spots in the driveway, you should be fine.
Let's just say - most trucks (Japanese, Ford, Dodge) - are well-engineered, work like they should and get pretty much the gas mileage and owner satisfaction as promised. The differences should be judged as buying-options - tailor these trucks to your specific needs and of course the price matters too. (I have a hard time talking about recent GM trucks and really don't want to get into that discussion.)
I guess he or she should trade it in for one of those Tundras whos rear doors come open going down the highway and have terrible wind whistles even when they don't!
Well funny you say that because he was going to get a tundra untill he found out that there wasn't a plow available for them yet.I guess he will have to live with that good o'l GM for now.
Dangerous, I know. But given rublue's obvious though thinly camoflaged intelligence (the guy can write in dialect for cryin out loud) I think we may have misinterpreted his intentions. Let me go out on a limb here. I think he is really a Tundra fan and his "down on the farm" schtick is really intended to poke fun at the "working man". He's probably sitting back laughing while people from the full-size crowd "support" his position. He's probably the biggest yuppy going! Ah well, just a thought.
I've owned 2 toyotas one a 93 4x4 with the v6 and currently a 97 T-100. The 93 had the bad head gasket which Toyota replaced FREE for vehicles which had under 100k miles. Don't see that from the domestic makers do ya? They don't like to admit they made a mistake. Also I've noticed that most of these guys that have the domestic trucks don't run em for years on end, they always seem to be getting a new one every 2-3 years, that says something right there, they don't trust their vehicle once it gets a couple of miles on it do they?
I had a 95 Chevy with a cracked block. What did they do? Believe it or not, they dropped another 305 in it under warranty instead of holding me off. 2-3 years? I still have my 78 F-250 for my firm. There is also a few 80's models of GMC and Ford out there as well......hmmmm.... These aren't macho, personal trucks--rather more like abused workhorses that have had more drivers than there days in May. I don't knock Toyota but leave your argument at home--it doesn't wash.
Get ready - there will be lots. My 1988 F250 (4x4) with 150,000 miles on it looks and runs like new. You may have to pry me away from my 1999 F150 (5.4 and 4X4 off-road) at any given time in the future, possibly for many years to come. Take decent care of them, drive them with some reason (keep the kids away) and most of the trucks today will last as long as you want to make them last. To me that means, most will need some work here and there. By the way, I have known plenty of folks with the 3.0 Toyota engines that have not just replaced one head gasket, but more than one trying to just get to 100,000 miles. Toyota knows they have a very bad problem - my suggestion to anyone out there with the overheating engine: take it back to the dealer, they may do most of the work under warranty, irregardless of mileage.
hows 10 years and 300,000 on my domestic sound? btw how much for those toyota parts? something simple like an alternator for well over $100? no thanx I'll stick with a $40 chevy alternator
Got pretty much run off of the "2000 Silverado" site for just trying to discuss tires. Guess I'll get run out of the Toyota site too. Would like to think that those of us out there buying new trucks could communicate and not just based on what we have bought. I liked the Tundra, still do - just liked the F150 more - a personal thing I guess.
That truck isn't worth the rubber it came in on...I rented one to haul my 5000lb trailer and that Silverado was moaning and groaning, a gust of wind could've pushed my trailer faster. It had more loose parts than I've ever seen on a vehicle with less than 10,000 miles. Most worthless waste of metal I've ever experienced, they all need to be taken out by the creek and ditched....
I am surprised that a Honda owner is crusin around bashin a Chevy in a truck forum. If you hauled a 5000# trailer in any 1/2 ton truck, it would moan and groan. 1/2 tons are not made to haul 5000#. Tow maybe but definitely not haul.
I'll keep my inferior GM trucks that have never left me walking over the 3 Toyota's that ALL left me walking with less than 40k miles on the odometer!
How about those Tundra's that throw valvetrains to the roadside. Then lets talk about the lack of customer focus from Toyota to back their problems up.
I keep reading from the clueless ones about how Toyota's are flawless and the Customer focus is #1, but there are some honest ones around here that are telling a whole different tale.
So does this mean your dishonest or your truck just hasn't broke on ya "yet"?
I don't think that reddogs owns a truck. He had stated that he rented a Silverado to haul 5000#'s and that it didn't haul to well for him. I can understand if he did own a Tundra and had to rent a Silverado to do the haul cause hauling and Tundras don't mix too well.
I'm looking to buy probably a strong SUV but I like the Tundra also and the F150 I rented last time pulled the trailer without even straining and rode very nice so I'm gonna check them out.
During all those comparison tests Toyota ran, Toyota used the low end V8's GM/Ford/Dodge use in their full size trucks. (Shows this in the extremly small print) Sales figures show most purchases of the F-series and Chevy trucks are NOT with the low end V8's.
Magazine tests of the Tundra 4.7L vs. Chevy with the 5.3L and the Ford with the 5.4L show the Tundra to be quicker than the Chevy and just slightly behind the Ford, but there are alot of variables to consider in these tests such as rear axle ratio, size of wheels and tires, transmission gear ratios, weight of vehicle and options, etc.
I would buy a Chevy, GMC, Dodge, Ford, before a TOYota. Why? PARTS ARE EXPENSIVE! Yeah sure the truck is so reliable that you won't need parts. You still need to maintain your vehicle, and domestic parts are cheaper. Besides, I can drive anywhere in the US, small towns, etc, and there's always a Ford, Chevy, or Dodge Dealer.
Besides, TOYS are cut smaller. Just like sneakers, when you have to take a size 17 vs. a 16 dress shoe (yes, that's my shoe size) Toyotas are not cut for tall people. I'm 6'5", and weigh about 275. A full size TOY is not what it seems to be.
Someone in the Dodge Dakota vs Tundra posted ALL the specs for both the Dakota and Tundra. he posted interior dimensions, length/width, engine HP/Torque, ect.... Facts are facts the Dakota and Tundra are much closer and equal than Tundra owners like to admit.
Just to clarify a point. I have a T-100 extra cab and have more leg room than a comparable F-150 extra cab same year. Several F-150 owners have sat in the T-100 and confirmed this. I suspect that it compares favorably to dodge and chevy in leg room at least although I've never compared it. I am 6-3 and like LEG ROOM and to sit back away from the wheel. I sat in a Tundra extra cab and guess what? The T-100 has more leg room and just 'feels' roomier. I think Toyota added two cylinders and pushed the fire wall back. Personally, I prefer the T-100 to the Tundra. The problem with the Toyota full size extra cabs is there is no option for a full size bed (8'). This is a pain if you are hauling construction materials from 8-12 ft lengths. I also own a 95 T-100 4 cylinder standard cab (8' bed)that an employee drives. Bought it used for $11,000 with 11,000 miles on it. Has almost 200,000 miles on it and the only complaint has been the cost of a new clutch. (ouch) For the money, and what we use it for, the 4 cyl has been a workhorse. Never had a wrench on the motor yet except for plugs. Still doesn't use oil. I haven't been all the way through the discussion groups but I haven't seen any on the t-100 yet. I have seen some folks referring tundra problems but haven't scanned them yet. I will say this... I've never had first hand knowledge of a t-100 owner who had problems. My biggest complaint with mine is that the seat belt doesn't retract properly and always gets caught in the door if I don't deal with it.
Hey Quadrunner, I read your article also. I really enjoyed reading it, it was a good comparison. However, about the gas issue, you do realize that your Chevy had a regular cab and long box therefore having a 34 gallon fuel tank as opposed to the 26.4 gallon tank on the Tundra, right? You were carrying about 8 gallons more fuel with yours, so you should have gone longer between fillups, but your wallet would have also felt it when you did fill up.
Yes. The range you get with a 34 gallon tank is the reason for owning it. Tundra still uses more fuel though.
Yes, do have a 98 Quadrunner 500. I bought it for farm use. Has 10 speeds, does about 55 mph. I chose it for a screen name for no particular reason, stuck with me.
It says; "The attached list of model year 2000 cars and light trucks sold in the U.S. cover only those manufacturers that assembles vehicles in North America. Model year 2000 light vehicles not listed are imported. Please remember that the endnotes for each list contain important information. "
English errors? Attached list ...cover (covers???)
With the V-8 in it...it's a screamer and lots of fun...check it out! Big drawback is size, it's smaller than other full size rigs, if that matters (with better MPG's too)...
Sissy's got a Dodge dealership, the only Dodge p/u that's as much fun to drive is the turbo-diesel or V-10, full-sized Ram! (GULP!)
I test drove the Tundra V-8, but bought the new 4.7 V-8 Dakota Quad Cab. Both trucks are very similiar in power to weight ratios, but the Dodge seems to be a little more responsive in normal acceleration everyday driving. The Tundra is a great step for the Toy truck company, but they should have marketed it as a midsize truck rather than a full size. You think they would have learned their lesson with the T-100 flop..I mean pickup!
toad10 said Toyota replaces their defective head gaskets out to 100 K miles and asked for US company comparisons. GM (Gmc/Chevrolet) put non-greasable ball joints on their trucks in '98 and '99. Some failed here in the salt belt. GM sent all owners a letter telling them that failed ball joints would be replaced for 5 years or 100k miles at no charge, parts or labor. I know one young woman who asked the service manager at her Chevy dealer to call the zone office to see if they would give her any help when her K-1500 needed ball joints at 93 K miles, but five years and five months. They fixed it free. Perhaps toyota is trying to come up to GM customer service.
Yea, well I keep hearing about how slow Toyota trucks are and how bad they are made - I've got one, a Toyota T-100 Black Extended Cab Big Engine, automatic, cruise control, 300 watt audio system. I've also had 4 Fords, 3 Chevys and a Dodge Full Size truck try to out run me and it could not be done. Now everyone talks about the 190 horse power engine however there was a 210 horse power engine also 3.4 liter you could get. I have it - plus I have a Tornado air management system and a custom made k&n air injection system PLUS an after market fuel filter system. Putting me at 250 h.p. This is all I need to get better gas mileage, better pick up, better acceleration and all out better handleing than the big ol' sloppy Dodge, Chevy and Fords. Plus on a wider note my Truck is worth a whole lot more on resale. So can't wait for my custom exhaust to put me once again ahead of the slow pack!
I work for a tire store that does a lot of commercial business, semi's and CAT's,
we recently decided to buy a new truck because of increased service calls, well we looked at a few differnt but it was definatly no comparison, the tundra's are so weak compared to the new Silverado's.
Lets compare biggest 1/2 ton engines
4.7 liter Toy motor 245 hp, 315 ft lbs, first off its a freaking lexus motor, Big thumbs down, wasn't designed for a truck
Chevy 5.3l 285hp, 325 ft lbs, built off realiable strong Chevy smallblock foundation
Standard Towing 7,500 for Chev and 5,000 for Toyota, thats not good!
Well then we decided to go 1/2 ton, of course toyota doesn't even offer that! SO we ended up getting a 6.0 L V8 with 300 HP and 355 ft lbs,
WE have really loaded this truck and it gets used everday, about a 1/2 yr old now with no problems, been used off road, OVERLOADED! 12 hours a day and it just keeps on going
Why buy a truck that isn't made for work when you can get a well built truck, way cheaper, more power for the same price.
Must be why working people who RELY on the trucks buy American
FYI...the Tornado air management system was evaluated by an independent team. The results were 0 hp and 0 torque increase. Was in an old Motor Trend magazine back in '97. BTW your setup of custom KnN, fuel filter and tornado may give you a total of 5 hp increase and maybe about 2-3 lbs of torque. 60 hp without a catback and headers...LOL. Toyota has admitted that the T100 was a mistake and killed the line and replaced with the Tundra...you might consider doing the same. Just my opinion...
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--Just joking--I couldn't resist!
"I bought my Corolla instead of a Prizm because I
liked the interior and color options on the paint
better...and got a slightly more discounted price." (from post #205)
Nobody answered my question about the percentages in the Big 3 trucks...I do drive an F150 too. I know thats listed as a domestic, even having been built in '89.
UAW built matters to me,because the UBC pays my bills.
THE RIGHT DOOR HITS THE FENDER WHEN YOU OPEN IT!
YIKES!!!(paint chipped off)
a plow available for them yet.I guess he will have to live with that good o'l GM for now.
He's probably sitting back laughing while people from the full-size crowd "support" his position. He's probably the biggest yuppy going! Ah well, just a thought.
I had a 95 Chevy with a cracked block. What did they do? Believe it or not, they dropped another 305 in it under warranty instead of holding me off.
2-3 years? I still have my 78 F-250 for my firm. There is also a few 80's models of GMC and Ford out there as well......hmmmm....
These aren't macho, personal trucks--rather more like abused workhorses that have had more drivers than there days in May. I don't knock Toyota but leave your argument at home--it doesn't wash.
I'll keep my inferior GM trucks that have never left me walking over the 3 Toyota's that ALL left me walking with less than 40k miles on the odometer!
How about those Tundra's that throw valvetrains to the roadside. Then lets talk about the lack of customer focus from Toyota to back their problems up.
I keep reading from the clueless ones about how Toyota's are flawless and the Customer focus is #1, but there are some honest ones around here that are telling a whole different tale.
So does this mean your dishonest or your truck just hasn't broke on ya "yet"?
Here's the story.
http://members.aol.com/sturbridg1/utahtrek.html
You still need to maintain your vehicle, and domestic parts are cheaper. Besides, I can drive anywhere in the US, small towns, etc, and there's always a Ford, Chevy, or Dodge Dealer.
Besides, TOYS are cut smaller. Just like sneakers, when you have to take a size 17 vs. a 16 dress shoe (yes, that's my shoe size) Toyotas are not cut for tall people. I'm 6'5", and weigh about 275. A full size TOY is not what it seems to be.
Facts are facts the Dakota and Tundra are much closer and equal than Tundra owners like to admit.
Just to clarify a point. I have a T-100 extra cab
and have more leg room than a comparable F-150 extra cab same year. Several F-150 owners have sat in the T-100 and confirmed this. I suspect that it compares favorably to dodge and chevy in leg room at least although I've never compared it. I am 6-3 and like LEG ROOM and to sit back away from the wheel.
I sat in a Tundra extra cab and guess what? The T-100 has more leg room and just 'feels' roomier. I think Toyota added two cylinders and pushed the fire wall back. Personally, I prefer the T-100 to the Tundra. The problem with the Toyota full size extra cabs is there is no option for a full size bed (8'). This is a pain if you are hauling construction materials from 8-12 ft lengths. I also own a 95 T-100 4 cylinder standard cab (8' bed)that an employee drives. Bought it used for $11,000 with 11,000 miles on it. Has almost 200,000 miles on it and the only complaint has been the cost of a new clutch. (ouch) For the money, and what we use it for, the 4 cyl has been a workhorse. Never had a wrench on the motor yet except for plugs. Still doesn't use oil. I haven't been all the way through the discussion groups but I haven't seen any on the t-100 yet. I have seen some folks referring tundra problems but haven't scanned them yet. I will say this... I've never had first hand knowledge of a t-100 owner who had problems. My biggest complaint with mine is that the seat belt doesn't retract properly and always gets caught in the door if I don't deal with it.
What as the final tally on the fuel of Tundra? It's a great story, well written, and a excellent comparison. Enjoyed it!
Thanks
P.S. Do you have a Suzuki Quadrunner 500?
Yes, do have a 98 Quadrunner 500. I bought it for farm use. Has 10 speeds, does about 55 mph. I chose it for a screen name for no particular reason, stuck with me.
"The attached list of model year 2000 cars and light trucks sold in the U.S. cover only those manufacturers that assembles vehicles in North America. Model year 2000 light vehicles not listed are imported. Please remember that the endnotes for each list contain important information. "
English errors?
Attached list ...cover (covers???)
and
manufactures that assembles (assemble?)...
Sissy's got a Dodge dealership, the only Dodge p/u that's as much fun to drive is the turbo-diesel or V-10, full-sized Ram! (GULP!)
..just my 2 cents...
Harry
Harry
we recently decided to buy a new truck because of increased service calls,
well we looked at a few differnt but it was definatly no comparison, the tundra's are so weak compared to the new Silverado's.
Lets compare biggest 1/2 ton engines
4.7 liter Toy motor 245 hp, 315 ft lbs, first off its a freaking lexus motor, Big thumbs down, wasn't designed for a truck
Chevy 5.3l 285hp, 325 ft lbs, built off realiable strong Chevy smallblock foundation
Standard Towing 7,500 for Chev and 5,000 for Toyota, thats not good!
Well then we decided to go 1/2 ton, of course toyota doesn't even offer that! SO we ended up getting a 6.0 L V8 with 300 HP and 355 ft lbs,
WE have really loaded this truck and it gets used everday, about a 1/2 yr old now with no problems, been used off road, OVERLOADED! 12 hours a day and it just keeps on going
Why buy a truck that isn't made for work when you can get a well built truck, way cheaper, more power for the same price.
Must be why working people who RELY on the trucks buy American