Toyota can't make Trucks Thats for sure!!!

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  • boss74boss74 Member Posts: 2
    Tundra's V8, i-Force, 4.7L, and gives you about 240 H.P. and 330 Lb of Torque. This is the same Engine does have Land Crusier and LX 470. Both These SUVs are Best Fullsize SUVs in this world. Not Lincoln or Cadillac, or Not even Land Rover. Tundra's V8 Engine, Is Best refined engine ever built on any size of truck in this world. So, Toyota Built their Truck on their World best SUV. Unlike, Blazer-S10, Or Other GMC Or Ford Or Dodge SUVs. So, This is the Only company makes its Truck based on SUVs. other companies use reverse trends. Tundra's Ride is very best,smooth,quite, easy, and yet Powerful. Not F-150, Or Silverado, Or not Ram or Dakota. and Also One most important thing. Tundra is backed by 5 yrs.-60,000 Miles Warranty on powertrain , Not, F-150, Ram, Or Silverado. Becasue, They know that even they can not rely on their own Qyality. So, Whoever Owns Other Domestic Trucks, I advise them to check them self to get the idea of power, ride and quality of Toyota's Quality Vehicle.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    get real....
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    Post #426 may have been the most illiterate post I've ever ATTEMPTED to read. I sure wish parents would keep closer watch on their 3rd graders.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    >>>other companies use reverse trends.<<<

    Agreed. That's how you end up with drum brakes and I end up with disc brakes.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    You do a fine job of representing the average Tundra owner---Keep up the good work.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Its obvious Boss knows nothing about his Tundra and its true mechanicals vs Ford/Dodge or GM..
    Enjoy your wanna be full size Boss...
  • john111john111 Member Posts: 17
    This concerns problems I have experienced since purchasing a Tundra 2000 SE w/extended cab and four doors July 21, 1999. These problems included door ajar light coming on while traveling, doors unlocking, inside lights coming on, very erratic security system, malfunction of air condidtion and heating system which included replacing of recirculating button, 6 trips with the above and each time getting doors adjusted. Each time the road noise was so bad it was almost like riding in a truck with no doors. I had carried this truck to a dealer in Shreveport, La 45 miles one way 3 times and had to have my wife come in a second car so we could have transportation while truck was being worked on. Once they kept it 6 days over the Thanksgiving holidays, and no loaner or even rental car was available. One time it was kept 3 days and I was furnished a loaner. No improvement was accomplished on any of these trips. Then I took it back to the purchasing dealer 200 miles one way. I was furnished a loaner the two days I was there. They replaced some door latches and switches and a recirculating switch for the air condition and heating system, and again supposedly adjusted the doors. That fixed the light problem, and helped the security system. The road noise was so bad, I finally called the 800 Toyota # in California. I was told to take it back to the dealer in Shreveport. I told him I had already carried it there 4 times. He said take the truck there they will fix it this time. I did and the reception by the customer relation person was a bit cool, in that he hardly had time to take my complaint. I told him I was supposed to get a loaner car.----- I got one. On the third day they called and said truck was ready. When my wife and I went in to get the truck the atmosphere was still chilly, and he curtly told me what all they had done. I told him I certainly hoped they had it fixed this time. He arrogantly told me, "We have done all we know to do to it. If it's not fixed, don't bring it back here. Call the man in Cal.!" He said it was as quiet as the shop foreman's truck. My wife asked him, if it wasn't fixed, did they have a truck like it we could try. He said, "we have some trucks like it for sale, but if your truck isn't right call the 800 #." The lemon law was mentioned. Then he went on to say Toyota didn't pay him but for 45 minutes to do that job and nothing for the loaner car. In other words they lost money. GLORY BE!!! I spoofed off over $30,000 for this truck plus about 10% of the miles put on this truck was put on it to try and correct these malfunctions.--- Plus several hundred dollars in expenses. Finally, it appears they have gotten these glitches fixed, and it is a pleasure to drive this truck now. I really love it now. I apologize for the length, but I hope it may help some one else that is having problems.
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    john111. It is unfortunate when a brand new truck has problems such as this, especially when the dealer won't be more cooperative. It can and will happen to any make of truck, so don't think it is a Toyota only thing.

    Some people here on Edmunds have a very arrogant attitude about their Tundras and claim it to be superior to the domestics. Your story along with many many others proves this is not true. I have never had any real problems with the Fords I have bought, but that doesn't mean it can't or won't happen.

    Glad you got your truck fixed and you are once again happy with it. It really sucks when you pay that kind of money for any truck that you can't fully enjoy.

    I would also make sure you tell everyone you know and see about your poor experience with that dealership. From your story, they should not have anyones business. Doesn't sound like they try to earn it.
  • john111john111 Member Posts: 17
    F150, I appreciate your thoughts. I have had this truck over a year, and that is what it took to get it taken care of. This is the first time that a company like Toyota ever came to my rescue on one of their products. It didn't take much to fix this truck to where it is a pleasure to drive and ride in again. We just about use it all together.
    Thanks, again.

    John111
  • rrichfrrichf Member Posts: 211
    I just read the Monday, August 21 issue of AutoWeek. They have just issued their quarterly report of their test fleet's Tundra. They too, have experienced the ghost that opens the doors and plays with the door locks.
    Rich
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    That sounds interesting. Do you have a link to that article?
  • redfox1redfox1 Member Posts: 42
    Ref. Item 435. the Autoweek article is as follows:Our long term Tundra wasn't exactly welcomed with open arms. It had just been here a week when we whacked a pole with the poor thing. That tore up the truck's left rear fender, but it was still driveable, so drive we did. Owners generally put their pickups to work, and ours is no exception. It has made trips to Sam's Club for eight 24-can cases of soda and to Home Depot for treated 4X4's. The Tundra returned from a two week bodyshop stay and continued its chores. Not only is it a good workhorse, it's not a bad everyday driver. The 4.7 liter V8 is super smooth, and provides plenty of power (245 hp) and torque (315 lb-ft). The truck's ride is a little firm, but not bad considering we ordered the TRD off-road package. Complaints? Chassis flex: Our Tundra has four doors, so there is no B-pillar to help stiffen the chassis. The result is some shimmying and shaking over expansion joints and the like. We'll let you know if squeeks and rattles develop. We've had one weird experience. The door open warning lights came on one day, and the power doorlocks clicked on and off at random. We pulled over to make sure all the doors were shut tight, but the problem continued. We pulled over again, turned the engine off, made sure all doors were shut tight and the problem went away. It only happened once and so far hasn't repeated itself. Other than that the Tundra is running fine. We'll try our best to keep rhe parking lot posts from jumping out at us again. End of article. RRICHF, if you are going to quote, quote the whole article.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Thanx! Your post makes more sense. A faulty door open light is a lot different than the doors themselves flying open.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    I wonder if that is the same shimmy that I felt on my test drive. I gave it the benefit of the doubt and thought it could be tires.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    I know the Tundra has been out for over a year, but sometimes the magazines are slow to report. My guess is this is a pre-production Tundra. Expect some minor bugs & shakes. Toyota will get most of the minor problems fixed before 2001. Which are out now - they are just holding them back because they want to get rid of the 2000 models. This is the only explanation for Chassis flex and some shimmying and shaking over expansion joints. Toyota would never introduce a truck with these problems. Just ask Bamma and Rwellbaum2. They can fill you in on the perfect truck.
  • rrichfrrichf Member Posts: 211
    redfox1,
    Thank you for quoting the entire article. I admire your patience in retyping the entire article into your post.

    However when quoting the article,

    "The door open
    warning lights came on one day, and the power
    door locks clicked on and off at random."

    If the "Door Ajar" light comes on, then the door is open. If the door is closed, the "Door Ajar" light is extinguished. Any vehicle manufacturer puts a warning light on the dash to indicate a dangerous situation and not because their engineers have nothing to do. When the light is on, it is a dangerous condition if the vehicle is moving. Finally, the reference to the ghost is tongue in cheek. Please recognize the comment as such and don't go off the deep end about doors flying open.

    Others have reported these two specific problems in this forum. I thought that those members of this community could use the printed media to their advantage when dealing with their friendly service (stonewall) advisor.

    Rich
  • john111john111 Member Posts: 17
    In respponse to item 432 of 441: I thought I had my problems corrected on my Tundra quad door as pertains to the 'door ajar' lights and the door locks, and dome lights coming on. My doors never did fly open as someone suggested, but the door locks are inoperative as long as the 'door ajar' light is on, and the security system goes wild if you make the mistake of trying to arm it while the light is lit. I thought my truck was fixed, but on about seven hundred miles the light started coming on again, and also the road noise is starting up again. Very disappointing to pay this much for a vehicle of this sort. I don't beleive it can be fixed
    john111
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    Did you have the rear door latches replaced? If you're truck is one of the early production models, then the latches need to be replaced with the updated versions. What is the production date and/or VIN series of your truck?
  • john111john111 Member Posts: 17
    In reply to 443 (Arkie 6)
    Arkie 6, the purchasing dealer in Nederland,Tx, told me verbally they had replaced the rear door latches with new ones and had even removed a part concerning the air conditioner and heating system from one on the lot, inv #90327. Strangly there is no mention of it on the invoice. What slays me?? When you go to any dealer to buy one of these vehicles. - -dern- such nice people!! When you go back for needed service- - It's as though they had never seen you before. I would like to buy a new car, but I flatly refuse to maybe go through a hassel such as this in trying to get the 'bugs' repaired.
  • jrrejrre Member Posts: 1
    I have a 2001 Tundra, 4X2, Access Cab, V-8, built in August. I have about 2300 miles on it and the worst thing is the shimmying and and shaking. It is exactly like it was described in the Autoweek article. I thought it might be the shocks needing to be upgraded. There has been a thread on the Tundra Solution sight about upgrading to HD Bilsteins. Of course, this might just make it more pronounced.

    Autoweek
    "The result is some shimmying
    and shaking over expansion joints and the like.
    We'll let you know if squeeks and rattles develop."

    I also wonder the long term affects of this shaking. I got ride of a '87 Nissan pickup with 164K miles that felt as solid as the day it was built. Of course, it was not an extended cab.
  • john111john111 Member Posts: 17
    Regarding your shimmying: I bought my SR5 quad cab back on 7/21/99 from a dealer 200 miles from my home. My problems started about 10 or 12 miles after I left the dealer. As you can see in my prior letters I have had six trials at Toyota dealers trying to get my problems solved. I thought I had them cured but after about 700 miles they started again. Since it restarted, the 'door ajar' light comes on more and more regular. I have stopped on side of road dozens of times, shut of motor and start with left front door slammine it, and watching from outside if the light does not go off, I reopen the lf door and the lr door. If it still doesn'go off, I go to passenger side, start with the rf door, then to rr door. Most of the time lately, it has been in the rr door. (Example rr - - right rear etc.) I'm thinking it is caused by flexing of the frame now. I really like my truck otherwise, and during a day's traveling, I have a lot of people asking, "How do you like that Tundra?" I have to be honest with them, and I hope Toyota gets this flaw fixed.
    john111
  • bigyotabigyota Member Posts: 2
    i really don't know much about the tundra, but i do know that whoever i talk to that owns one loves it to death. i also know that my 1986 22r 4x4 has 200,500 miles on it and runs like a bear....e mail me some info anyone because i am very interested in owning one....thanks
  • gringo1gringo1 Member Posts: 72
    Have '94 Toyota small pickup needing tires.
    Use is 2/3 town driving and 1/3 country/off pavement high country roads.
    What are the best one or two tires to put on a small 4WD Toyota pickup?
    Thanks,
  • hulk66hulk66 Member Posts: 37
    The MICHELIN are great and last pretty long but if price is no object i would try a set of YOKOHAMA tires.
  • tundradudetundradude Member Posts: 588
    Shouldn't that read the Michelin are great and if price is no object, the Michelin are great. However, the Yokohoma is a nice alternative for a cheaper price and a slightly shorter tread life. I have had both MIchelin LTX A/T and M/S, and the Geolander A/T.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    better than Yokohama...maybe even Michelin. Check it out:

    http://www.toyo.com/tires/tire_lines/high_perf/st.html
  • john111john111 Member Posts: 17
    In regards to shaking and shimmying: with only a
    little over 2000 miles I'd try it a while longer, if the original equipment shocks don't give you the ride you want, my experience is you are going to find that something else is ailing. As you may have read before, I have had quite a few problems with my Tundra. At times mine vibrates package contents on the rear seat or floor board. I have friends that have Toyota picks, one the last time I saw him, he had 478,000+ on his, and a neighbor of mine has one with over 300,000 miles on his. Several friends have Toyota cars with nearly 200,000 miles on theirs and really like them. This is the first Toyota I have ever owned, and so help me I've had all sorts of problems. I have about 12,000 miles on mine, and about 10% on that was trips to Toyota dealers for service. I am still waiting for the Toyota man from service to contact me. It has been almost a week since I was promised. I don't mean to [non-permissible content removed] so much, but I hope all of us having problems with our new Tundras can grab Toyota's attention and get these defects corrected. At least Ford is making an effort to correct some of their problems. (frankly I have had two of their units, that one of them I traded it at 6,600 miles and another one a car at 26,000 miles.-- great losses on both of them.)
    Good luck on solving your problem(s).

    john111
  • rrichfrrichf Member Posts: 211
    I've seen a few posts that suggest that the tires are rotating on the rim and therefore going out of balance.

    There may be a simple and inexpensive method to resolve the question of the tire rotating on the rim. Take a little opaque white (Liquid Paper) and mark the tire next to the valve stem. It shouldn't take but a few weeks of driving to see if the tires are moving on the rim.

    Just a thought from a happy Ford owner.
    Rich
  • rm1277rm1277 Member Posts: 3
    In my opinion, I think Toyota makes better trucks than Chevy, Ford, and Dodge. I've owned only 3 Fords and 1 Chevy. The Chevy truck was better than the 3 Fords. But none of them were better than the Toyota trucks I've own. And I've own around 8 Toyota trucks in 15 years. Right now I only have two. One with 125,000 miles and one with 250,000 miles. The one with 250k miles is a small 4cyl dually truck that Uhaul used. And I'm still using it. It is always loaded with 3/4 tons of tools. Where I live is hills, hills, and more hills. And the little truck is still running. The 3 big might do bigger and stronger trucks (looks), but in the long run they just can't stand to a Toyota truck. Why is it that Toyota is used all around the world? In the countries where there are a lot of mountains and ups and downs the only truck that can work there is the Toyota and Nissan truck. All the others come short. In those countries, size does not matter. It's what's inside. The durability and performance in the engine is what counts. I understand that here in America the economy is so good that we normally buy a car and get rid of it in 3 years. Like that we don't actually notice the durability of the vehicle. But, hey this is just the way I think. If I was going to buy a big size truck. I would look at the Chevy Silverado, or even bigger, at the Dodge Ram 3500 Cummins diesel. But I think that Tundra is just fine with me, since I don't need a huge size truck.

    Toyota rules around the world, along with Mercedes Benz
  • toad10toad10 Member Posts: 12
    I agree with rm1277 why don't you see anything besides toyotas and nissans in other countries. These vehicles will run forever. Just wait till nissan and honda bring out there full size v-8's in a few years.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    I just got back from Europe, and there are very few Toyotas or Nissans, maybe 10%. The predominant cars seem to be European. And no pickup trucks whatsoever. Panel trucks, yes. They have some interesting, and (tiny) sport utility vehicles. Gas is expensive, but the other reason they drive small cars is the narrow streets.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    RM- 8 Toyota trucks in 15 years - it sounds like YOU don't keep them very long -less than 2 years on average, but it looks like you drive a lot of miles. I agree Nissan makes a fine truck - mine went 13 years and way over 100K miles before I out grew it. The Toyota trucks I had in the past all had rust problems - They still ran fine - but they looked older than they were - got [non-permissible content removed] for them when they were traded. The Nissan was an 1986.5 model - when I traded it in the salesman said " what year is it a 92?"

    Toad-Honda is planning to use the 4.8L V-8 from GM. (also used in the Silverado) If GM made bad engines Honda would not be using them. I think GM is also getting some 4 or 6 bangers from Honda.
  • toad10toad10 Member Posts: 12
    i sure hope honda does't use a gm engine. why would honda stoop that low??
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    For the obvious reason, they don't have a big SUV or truck. It's a done deal. GM has already agreed to take up to $100M worth of front wheel drive honda engine and transaxle combos, Honda to get the best truck engine ever, the venerable LS1. Seems fair to me.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    Give credit where it is due. GM makes a fine V-8 truck engine, Honda makes great 4 and 6 cylinders. It is a good trade for both companies.
  • rrichfrrichf Member Posts: 211
    z71bill,
    My wife's '91 Accord has a fair engine although it seems that the "Major" maintenance things are mileage or 7 years. I've actually spent more on the Honda for dealer maintenance than I did on my '92 7.3L and the truck had about 110K more miles on it. I'm not a really big guy but working on that Honda is a real pain in the ... ya know, knuckles, wrist, arms, back, etc. I really detest changing the oil filter and the oil running down the side of the block.

    Rich
  • vorteclt43vorteclt43 Member Posts: 2
    Had a 87 Nissan p/up. Paid $7K (new). Sold for $2500.00 at 286K miles. No major problems, just routine maintenance.
    Own a 98 S-10 Blazer. Looking to get rid of it and go back to the imports.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Hate to break the news to you but GM makes transmission for BMW too!! As much as the anti GM/Ford crowd wants GM/ford to go away, they are not. Ford makes glass for some automakers also.. Quality for GM/Ford continues to rise. I have owned 4 Fords and 2 Dodge products. The Fords never gave me any problems that would cause me to switch auto brands. One of my Dodge vehicles made it over 100K with NO PROBLEMS at all. The stigma of Ford/GM/Dodge bad, Toyota/Honda/Nissan good is getting old....
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    Speaking from experience in working at a repair center I can say that it is a fact that Dodge, Ford, and GM products not as reliable as Toyota. Overall, the frequency that Toyotas are in the shop is much lower and the Toyota owners much happier (with quality) than owners of Ford, GM and Chrysler products. I am primarily speaking about durability of motors. The NoPar fan is incorrect. Dodges have more problems with build quality and warranty cost per vehicle than GM, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, etc. Chryslers are however built much better than a Daewoo or Kia.
  • jtffmjtffm Member Posts: 2
    I have noticed that some on this board tend to bash others for their choice in brand of truck purchased, or bash that particular brand. This attitude has drifted both directions from both sides. Let's get real these are just machines. Some are built with problems, and some are not and this can happen within the same brand. As for the comments made in USA, who can tell what is made where anymore. I bought a GE stove thinking it was made in USA only to find made in MEXICO on the back of it. I know owners of both domestic and imports (although it is hard to tell which is which anymore). Just think if we all drove a ________ (insert your make here) would you still want it? Point being, the bashing dialog does not accomplish anything,
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    I'm sure many would agree with you on your last post. Then the response would be...what fun or entertainment value would stopping the bashing have? Absolutely none. And so the bashing will continue. Just a fact of life. my $.02.
  • jtffmjtffm Member Posts: 2
    Yes there is indeed an entertainment value. However, this forum would appear to be one based on info and experiences. If you have had a bad or good experience than state that fact as a fact. This does not have to lead to someone degrading the other for their opinion or experience. And yes you are correct on the fact of life. my $.02
  • jeffs00z71jeffs00z71 Member Posts: 8
    Before I purchased my '00 chevrolet silverado z71 I went to my nearest toyota dealer here in La Canada CA. I test drove a Toyota Racing Developement 4x because I was in the market of that type of vehicle. my son was sitting in the back seat where his legs where pressed agianst his chest since he's 19 years old 6'4" and 240pounds. He said his legs fell asleep in that short of a test drive. Where the steering wheel was situated "I couldn't see the gauges" no matter if the tilt wheel was Up or Down the gauges were not visable! the performance was very low "the truck had no Guts" bieng a 4.7L V8. Leather Interior was nice -Kudos to that and styling was great. But didn't fit my expectations! after the test drive went to RYDELL'S GMC Chevrolet and bought the silverado - let me tell you a world of difference! Im sure the Tundra will be more reliable one day since toyota has a good drive line and motor line up.
    nice truck... no room... the Japanese will never make a BIG TRUCK.
    Jeff
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Sounds like a pretty fair review. Your 6'4" son certainly doesn't belong in the back of a Tundra. I'd say he's really too big for anything except a crew cab. Good luck with your Silverado!
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Im 6'3 and i have rode in the back of my silverado comfortably for a long period of time.

    Guess you have to be an umpa lumpa to ride in one of those tundras.

    Ryan
  • tacomadrivertacomadriver Member Posts: 5
    Keep up the good work Moparbad. I suspect (I haven't read any of your other posts and am going by your name only) that you are a dodge fan, and it must have bothered you somewhat to reveal what all of the toyota owners have been preaching for years. But I applaud your honesty and will give you something in return--ours may last longer, but yours look better getting there, (exception for the tacoma, of course). How 'bout that?

    Rwellbaum2, were you over in the Tundra vs. The Big Three site or am I just confused? Let me know if you ever need facts to support any of your toyota-based arguments. By the way, are you active duty AF?
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Yes,
    It's fun to poke fun at the die-hard loyal chevy fans. They have been invading the Tundra topics trying to cause trouble for over a year now! Most Tundra owners have the good sense and decency not to post about trucks they don't own and/or have never owned. Yes, ADAF.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    .....it's sort of in his profile that he's at Travis. I won't tell anyone you missed that.


    BTW, I blew up the Husaberg this last weekend. Don't even want to know what the parts are gonna' cost.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Thanks Mod, scribbled it.

    Husaberg...whew, fast but hard to stay together. My friend Doug (Husaberg Doug) had the 350. We gave him lots of ribbing, even named one trail "Husaberg Hill" in his honor. He finally got tired of breaking it, bought a XR400.

    I'm still debating...DR400Z, or KTM 400EXC. Not sold on electric start, 13 lbs worth...

    The Katoom is very fast, good handle, Slowzuki has the reliability. Decisions, decisions...
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    >>>Most Tundra owners have the good sense and
    decency not to post about trucks they don't own
    and/or have never owned. <<<

    Were you including yourself in this statement, or
    simply illustrating a lack of good sense and
    decency?
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