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I think Moparmad may be right to a point about brand loyalty, but I don't think it's a huge part of a truck buyers equation. I for one have owned all BUT Dodge trucks. Not that I don't like them, just never had one I "preferred" over the others. I would buy a Toyota without hesitation if they had a truck that I "preferred" over my Silverado. That doesn't make Toyota a bad truck, just not my preference. Toyota still needs to make the Tundra bigger both in Cab space and in the bed, as well as offer more of the full size domestic truck amenities that the domestic truck manufacturers offer.
Its a good truck for it's market of buyers. I am just used to a bigger truck with more options. I have been frustrated with a few minor problems with my new Silverado, but nothing major enough to make me hate the truck and definitely nothing any worse than I had with the import trucks I have had.
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Of course, you might also be one of the very few people out there who can actually beat the market consistently, but I wouldn't put you in that league on the basis of a single stock pick during one of the greatest bull markets in history.
Avail. torque @2000 rpm:
Tundra - 285
Dakota - 190
Also, peak torque is avail. in the Tundra @ 3400 rpm, vs. 5000 rpm for Dakota. So - why is the Dakota quicker? The weights and axle ratios are very similar, but my new Dakota quad is definitely quicker than the Tundra I test drove. Several mags also confirm that the Dakota is quicker. Horsepower, is simply a formula calculating how fast a given weight (of vehicle) can be increased in speed over a distance. The Tundra should be quicker, but unless the magazine testers and the one I drove were poor examples, it isn't. Maybe the rear wheel power is less. Maybe its losing more through the drivetrain. Any comments?
I was thinking about he Dakota when I first started looking at getting a p/u. I wanted a truck that would fit in my garage, had a V8 for towing, extended cab to store stuff in and carry the occasional passanger, and had a bed that my bike would fit in. My decision came down to the Tundra and the Dakota. Since price didn't matter too me as much as reliability I went with the Tundra.
This doesn't mean I'll be buying the Toyota, since the Quad's design is far more appealing to me, but let's be real. There won't be any comparison in terms of reliability, which is something those of us who buy a Quad will just have to accept.
vince8: If you want to talk about transmission problems I think DC has the lock on that. Believe me I know, had a Chrysler trans go out at 57k. Fortunately they picked up the whole tab. I received an addendum to the drivetrain warranty about one month after I bought it. The addendum stated that the transmission was exempt from the $100 drivetrain warranty deductible. I guess they knew something. Same vehicle blew smoke at 94k. That was the last DC I will own. Love my Tundra!
As for Chrysler changing your warranty I guess your the only one they ever did that to,my wife's 300M was bought this summer and the warranties
50$ deductible applies to the tranny the same way it applies to everything else.I know personally two Toyota owners who broke the frames on thier Toyotas.This doesn't mean Toyotas are all bad,these were abused,but still the one now has an S10 the other a Ranger and niether have broken these trucks.Maybe it says something of Toymota quality,probably says more of people learning from thier mistakes,but how do you think these guys would rate Toyota in a survey.I know as well as anyone this is just misuse and a fluke,but these guys bash Toymota constantly does this mean Toymota's are junk because of two isolated incidents.By the way,I have owned 8 Trucks,and my wife has had 4 cars all Mopars,all have never had anything even close to tranny problems,all have been very good,reliable machines.I don't think this is a fluke because my luck aint that good,but maybe,you never know I guess.The only really bad car we've owned was an Eagle Talon,and they are Japanese(made by Mitsubishi).
4.7L V8 4x4 4 doors, power mirrors, lock, sw, windows, cdplayers, al wheels....etc. For short, the same Tundra and Dakota comparison in the Motor Trend Truck of the Year issue.
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The Tundra does not look that bad - If you put a set of custom wheels and tires on it -it actually looks pretty sharp.
Tundra was going to be T150. Ford got angry so Toyota did the Tundra name instead.
Funny though, Ford copies Toyota, and gets away with it. Toyota uses 150 moniker and Ford has a cow. It is interesting though that both Dodge and Chevrolet or GMC use the same monikers; 1500, 2500, etc.
200,000 miles is very average for a Toy. My friends Toy has 240,000 and still passes emission testing (barely). Toyota trucks have there own brand of faults(mainly a lack of options), but excel in the areas that matter to me: reliability, build quality and they can really take a beating.
Consumer Reports shows that Toyota products, including trucks, have top-notch reliability-- better than all three American manufacturers. These ratings are based on thousands of surveys from owners, NOT on the opinions of those who work for Consumers Union.
I know Consumers isn't perfect, and sometimes their reviews of trucks miss the point. But if you're looking for objective data about reliability, their information is far more valid and statistically reliable than stories about how "this truck lasted X million miles" or "that truck was a POS."
As I said in a prior post, this isn't the end of the story. American auto makers have come a long way in terms of reliability, and there is a lot to like about their trucks. But if you can't accept the fact that American trucks are simply not as reliable on average as Japanese trucks, you're either fooling yourself or engaging in wishful thinking.
So - in my experience Toyota is no more reliable- but they do stand behind their cars/trucks better. I have never had to have a major repair on any of my other vehicles so close after the end of warranty, but I doubt GM, Ford or Dodge would agree to fix it once the 36 months was up.