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I think your experiment is good, but personally I don't want to have to think that much when I am driving, as how I am going to achieve the 40mpg.
With the mazda 3 I just drive and know I am getting 38 or 39 highway.
I do hope that you can continue to get the higher mileage because the Elantra is a nice looking car and has some great positives. The warranty is a very big positive.
Sounds like you had a few months with the Elantra to see it is not what Hyundai claims it to be. I did test drive one last year and it didn't feel precise when I turned corners or changed lanes. It was a short test drive, but I do remember that about it. The elantra lacking a spare tire was a big negative to me. I don't care if they give roadside service. I don't want to have to wait to get a tire changed. I can't remember if the Elantra had any audio buttons on the steering wheel.
I like how the Mazda has everything within reach, the audio buttons on the wheel and the air condioning/heater knobs etc very close. ( I had to reach far for everything in the mustang)
What color Mazda did you get? Did you get the touring or the grand touring. I went with the Graphite mica, touring (since that's the one that already had the satellite antenna) and I was having a hard time deciding between that color or the dolphin gray.
I am very happy with the mileage on the mazda. I am only on my second tank of gas, but I have taken two short road trips and its been fun driving it.
I ended up getting a standard iTouring 3 hatchback in Sky Mica Blue. None of the extras of the iGrand Touring model interested me except the headlights, and it wasn't worth the extra cost of the whole bundle just to get better headlights.
Another thing about the Elantra's MPG is that it would drop like a rock if the weather was a bit colder or if it was raining/road was wet. Turning on the AC also did that. With either of those conditions my mpg would drop from 32.5 to 30. So far I've seen negligible difference with those conditions in thee 3 Skyactiv.
What is there to get past? It's very simple. Hyundai is advertising 40 mpg because that's what the Elantra achieved on the EPA tests. Every manufacturer does this.
What should they do, say something like "Although the Elantra achieved 40 mpg on the EPA highway test cycle, we just want y'all to know that some folks have reported that they cannot achieve the EPA rating, thus we will not advertise the EPA ratings for the Elantra any more."
They don't need to say anything like that because the EPA is very clear on that score, with a disclaimer that "YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY."
My friend that got hers last year says it's between 33-35 normally.
Oh and yes....I would like them to say that. It would be more honest. Good idea.
This is the mazda forum....so it was advertised that the mazda 3 with skyactiv can acheive the 39-40 mpg and my car has done 39 so I am happy with that.
EPA and Real world fuel economy. The Hyundai Elantra is cited a few times in the article.
Has your trip computer's average been above your pump calculation? My trend is that my trip computer's average is lower than my pump calculation (better for me).
My trip computer readings are usually 2-3 MPG greater than the pump calculation. Only once did the pump calculation come in above the trip computer reading, and I think that was due to a short fill at the gas pump.
In general, I think the trip computer is more accurate if the routes consist of mostly flat terrain. My daily commute includes hills, and I suspect that the trip computer exaggerates the efficiency on the downhill side.
This was just a tankful where I consciously tried to maximize the fuel economy. I wasn't hypermiling by cruising below the speed limit or drafting behind big rig trucks. I just drove with at more of a steady pace and throttle position, and limited the short trips. With just the highway portion, I think that capping the speed and limiting the acceleration/decelerations gave me about a 2-3 MPG gain compared to my normal driving.
My typical fuel economy is about 35 MPG with 75% highway driving. It's really that 25% consisting of short trips and stop-and-go driving that kills the fuel economy.
P.S. I am driving a Mazda3.
A lot of the outcry about the Hyundai Elantra is with how badly the Elantra misses the EPA rating in a lot of real world calculations. The Consumer Watchdog alert basically calls for the EPA to conduct its own fuel economy test and revise the MPG rating if necessary (in much the same way that they did when the EPA downgraded the BMW 328i highway efficiency from 36 to 33 MPG). With the Elantra, my understanding is that the EPA fuel economy rating comes from tests conducted by Hyundai (only about 25% of car models are actually tested by the EPA). That's why you see forum posts out there accusing Hyundai of gaming the test.
I believe that the Mazda3 Skyactiv fuel economy rating came from a test conducted by the EPA (Mazda executives were reportedly waiting anxiously for the EPA results not long before the Skyactiv Mazda3 went on sale). That might be why the Skyactiv fuel economy more closely matches the EPA rating.
40 MPG is a very powerful marketing tool, and the claims at that plateau really need to be scrutinized, since it has given Hyundai a clear advantage over its competitors. If that advantage is undeserved, then it needs to be pulled ASAP like it was with the BMW 3-series.
Didn't think so.
Back to the Mazda3. It's a superior car to the Elantra in most respects anyway.
For comparison the 39 EPA Civic got 47 mpg on the CR highway test.
CR drives 65 mph on level ground for their number - pretty close to ideal (even slower would be better). So 39 is pretty close to max for an Elantra, any city at all (or faster speeds) brings that number down quickly.
Thanks for the list. Popular Mechanics reports that driving at 70 mpg the Hyundai Elantra achieves 39 mpg which almost matches the EPA highway number of 40 mpg; more impressively they say it exceeds this EPA number significantly if driving at 55 mph (47 mpg). Simillarly, Consumer Reports found the highway number close (39 mpg) but it seems the city number is seriously deficient (20 mpg and not the 29 from the EPA). My sense is Hyundai is moving in the right direction and made the latest Elantra one of the more fuel efficient vehicles on the road.
In a related vein the Mazda3 SkyActiv is achieving its numbers and was rated recently by TrueCar as offering the best economic proposition.
I guess you must think the Mazda3i is "seriously deficient" also, since it averaged 22 mpg in CR's city test but EPA rating is 28 mpg. No high mpg car seems to get anywhere close to its EPA city rating on CR's city test. The Civic for example scored worse than the Elantra and Mazda3i on that test.
now im looking at a sedan with the 2.0 skyactiv and a manual transmission, and i have no idea what i could talk them down to, but if i get it under msrp ($18,700+dest) id be happy, now during school, my car payments are coming out of whats left of my college fund, for the speed 3 its $319 a month, and i have 5 years left. if everything works out the way i want it to with the 3, it would be around $422 a month for the 3 sedan, but for only a 3 year loan, which equates in the end to $2400 more out of the college account(anything left after school is for moving out or whatever else which will be about $2k). in my situation during school and working part time, i would drain an additional $1800 a year out of my personal savings just for day to day expenses and gas.
with school included, i would be driving about 60-70% highway and between 16,900 and 18,200 miles a year
ive figured out that depending on the price of gas and the actual mileage i get ill save around $800-$900 in gas each year with the skyactiv, provided i get at least 29mpg (i only run 93 octane in the speed 3)
would this be a good "investment" per say for my future? what kind of mpg could i expect if i made the switch? because i see a ton of variance in our data.
DON'T PANIC!- With talk of $5.00/gallon gasoline making headlines I thought I should revisit and update an issue I discussed about one year ago. I'm already starting to hear "screamer" ads on television and radio telling people to "TRADE IN YOUR OLD GAS GUZZLER FOR A NEW XYZ MOTORS SEDAN- WITH 40 MPG ECONOMY!!!" And I'm sure you've heard people say, "Gas prices are eating me alive, I just have to buy a new car."
The fact of the matter is, high fuel prices are no excuse for making a poor automotive purchasing decision. The last time gas prices spiked I remember people were buying those terribly mediocre Smart cars for list price- or even higher. These "shrewd" buyers were then stuck on a waiting list- and by the time their Smart car arrived gas prices had settled down and they were stuck with a tiny car that really wasn't suited for anything more than urban commuting. That is why I always say that you have to do the math.
Here's an example: I recently found a very nice 2010 Mini Cooper for sale. It had less than 10,000 miles on the odometer and had every option I wanted. The Mini gets 39 mpg while my 2007 Mazda averaged about 23 mpg. After doing a little research I determined that I could probably get the Mini by trading in my Mazda and paying $10,000. Great deal, right? An almost-new car that gets 15 more mpg for "only" $10,000. As it turns out, running the numbers showed that it wasn't a great deal. Let's assume gas is $5.00 per gallon and that I drive 20,000 miles per year. The Mazda's annual fuel cost will be $4,348 while the Mini would use $2,564 worth of gas- an annual savings of $1,784. Fantastic! The only problem is the fact that I have to pay $10,000 in order to "save" that money. Dividing the purchase cost by the annual fuel savings shows that I would have to drive the Mini for 5.6 years before I actually started saving money. And if I drove 15,000 miles per year I would have to drive the Mini for almost 7.5 years just to break even! Also note that I'm not taking into account the cost of interest on a car loan, increased insurance costs, or higher property taxes due to the Mini being a newer vehicle. As it turns out, I started utilizing some smart driving habits and discovered that I was able to increase the Mazda's average fuel economy to 27 mpg- which at $5.00 per gallon saves me $644 outright. Now, I'm certainly not saying that you shouldn't consider a vehicle's fuel efficiency when buying a new or used car, but I AM saying that trading a car solely to save money on fuel costs almost never makes financial sense.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
wouldnt that make financial sense?
payments on speed 3 will be $7656 during school, payments on sedan would be around $10,137, so roughly $2500 more, gas savings would be $1600+, so at the most i would have $900 extra coming from the savings account total.
after school, i would owe $319 for 36 months on the speed, and ~$422 for 12 months on the sedan.
I will see how the mileage goes on my trip to Vegas this weekend.
You can also get the 3 for well below list price.
I've recorded the gallons of gas and mileage reading from each fill up and I'm finding that the computer is reporting around 10% high on fuel efficiency which is quite disappointing.
Over the whole 5000 miles I have an average of 32-33 mpg from my calculations and the computer suggests 35-36 mpg.
I'm realistic about advertised mileage verses real world; I know I drive a bit too fast on the interstate to get anywhere near optimum (and you'll never actually get the maximum they advertise without risking a serious collision from behind anyway as you drive slower and slower to try to get that 43mpg and a truck plows into you) but I would like a little more accuracy from the computer.
All in all I love the car and I am reasonably happy with any mileage above 30 (though I'd like to try to get it above 35 consistently) but I'm a little cynical about finding their computer reading such a high error in their favor.
As for the new car "lasting longer", you are talking about two cars barely a year apart in age- I seriously doubt that you'll keep either car to the age that significant repairs would be an issue.
It sounds like you want something different to drive, and that's fine; as for me, the only thing that makes FWD tolerable is 287 bhp under my right foot, so I cannot imagine taking a significant power cut unless it meant I'd be driving an entertaining RWD car like a Miata or FR-S. Come to think of it, if you are intent on flipping the MS3, why not find a 2-3 year old Mazda Certified Miata? Save money and drive a much more enjoyable car at the same time.
I strongly suggest that you float your idea over on the Real-World Trade-In Values topic on the Smart Shoppers board. Several people over there have extremely accurate pricing data and they will be able to tell you if your plan is actually practical.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
I had my first fill up yesterday after having driven 328.5 miles on the first tank which averages to 22.6 mpg assuming the gas was topped off at 14.5 gallons. I'm know my mileage will get progressively better since I'm actually learning to drive stick on this car and my shifts probably aren't the most fuel efficient. Your probably wondering why I bothered getting manual not knowing how to drive one; my main reason is because I've been wanting to learn since I started driving 6 years ago(Mazda's new skyactiv transmission seemed liked a good opportunity for me to learn on) and I've been riding dirt bikes for a few years so shifting gears isn't entirely foreign to me. I know the car is still breaking in as well with under 500 miles on it so I'm sure over time that might help with the fuel economy. To be fair though my miles I've driven have been about 90% city/10% highway driving so I'll be aiming for at least the 27mpg that this cars EPA shows it should be getting in the city.
With more practice driving stick and possibly a little less spirited driving I can hopefully achieve that goal of 27+ mpg in the near future.
Best tank: 29.8
Worst tank: 24.8
Average for May: 28.4
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Miles driven: 412 Gallons: 11.10 MPG 37.1
Miles driven: 511 Gallons: 13.14 MPG 38.9
Miles driven: 463 Gallons: 12.04 MPG 38.5
Miles driven: 436 Gallons: 10.73 MPG 40.6
My last fill-up was the first that really met expectations, but a lot of that seems to be driven by an unusual number of accidents the past couple of months during the commute causing more stop-and-go driving than usual. I would describe my driving style as extremely light-footed on acceleration and the mileage mix would roughly equate to about 75/25 highway.
I have yet to do a long road trip. However, based on trip computer ratings (which seem to be optimistic by 0.5 to 1.0 mpg on average), this car should easily be able to get 45 mpg in 65 mph driving with little traffic. At the end of the day, I'm happy Mazda finally came out with the hatchback in the base engine and that I'm able to beat the mileage I was getting with the sedan.
shut off the engine at long lights (you can put it in neutral and stop the engine).
Maintain momentum at all costs, use very gentle accelleration, and over all just slow down.
I wanted to see what this car could do if I babied it as best I could, and compared that
to more normal (but not exactly fast) driving.
My mpg results so far (after a few weeks of experimentation):
@70mph cruise on a flat, no air - about 42 mpg, with air - about 32 mpg.
If I cycled the air by hand I could get 36 mpg (50% on/off).
Give it some gas (but not much) and closer to 36 mpg@70mph (no air).
Slow to 65 and draft a bit (no cruise), I sustained 46+ mpg for 100 miles, didn't try with air.
City with all the babying I could manage, I can average 32 mpg (no air).
City (give it some gas - but not much) about 26 mpg (no air).
The highway miles were confirmed by fillup measurements,
city mileage is just from the trip computer.
Overall I think these are fantastic results, except the air is a pig.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
I normally get between 37-39mpg per tank on my weekly commute and haven't seen that AC makes any difference.
It does drop that much when you first engage the air, but the average mpg doesn't drop any where near as much, maybe 3-4 mpg instead of the 10 I thought I was seeing previously.
That means this car has no bad points for me, the air is nice and efficient although not super powerful, exactly what you would want in a car tuned for high mpg.
I wish I could edit my previous post to remove bad info.
The a/c compressor seems to consume most of the torque produced by my 3i's 2.0 L engine, especially at low rpm. If the compressor engages while I'm accelerating or climbing a hill below 2.5k rpm the feel is comparable to driving w/the emergency brake engaged or as if the car may be towing a trailer. At higher engine speeds the a/c compressor's effect is less noticeable, but I can still view the negative effect on my Scangauge II's instantaneous and average calculated mpg results. If engine rpm is below 2k my car simply falls on its knees when the a/c compressor engages.
I'd like to see Mazda and other manufacturers begin to offer a/c compressors powered electrically vs. directly by the engine (rpm dependent) like Toyota is using on its hybrid vehicles like the Prius.
All my mileage is done by hand or calculator. No mileage computer on my Mazda. Over the years I averaged about 12.5 litres per 100 km or 19 US mpg/22 mpg Canadian on a tank with doing 95% city driving in the morning and and afternoon. Average speeds about 30 km/h (19 mph).
What bugs me is how the average speed attained is always missing when people are quoting their fuel consumption. On 100% highway driving I recently got ~ 9.0 litres/100 km or 26 mpg after an intake cleaning...my best so far. Average highway speed of ~ 90 km/56 mph as logged by my Garmin.
The mileage I attained and even my wife comes no where near what are the "official government" numbers. In Canada, we were not affected by the overinflated numbers you folks in the US had. But I think we were but nobody has ever challenged Transport Canada who did the ratings.
The official numbers for my Mazda3 is city: 9.1L/100 km (26 US MPG); 6.4L/100 km (37 US MPG). I personally never heard of anyone ever getting 6.4 L/100 driving this model. Clearly the numbers are skewed and overinflated by the official government agency.
In short, the Mazda3 fuel numbers have historically not been good. SkyActive is an option for many, but from what I understand at a cost of power and performance. The materials are also of a lighter nature helping making the vehicle be lighter, thereby improving fuel economy.
The point of my post? Perhaps someone who is in the market for a used Mazda3 might come across this thread and post for some info. For others, in addition what was already brought up eg. engine size, tire size, automatic or manual transmission, please post additional info like average speeds when quoting your fuel economy. It will help others get a more accurate idea of what kind of driving you really do, despite you writing 75 city/25 highway, etc.
As for the sky active engine, it should give similar if not slightly better performance compared to your current car, with much better fuel economy.
2012 Mazda 3 Skyactive 6 auto. We have gotten some good mileage on the interstate. Recent trip from Bossier City La. to San Antonio Tx. Car delivered 38 mpg on this trip. We hit stop and go traffic on the interstate all the way from Houston to San Antonio. Really nerve wracking. We got 42mpg going to Little Rock and back to Bossier so I'm OK with highway mileage. Around Bossier with much stop and go and short trips, my wife is only getting 23 mpg. When I had my Protégé, I was getting that mileage with it around town. Only have 4000 miles on car so I hope city mpg rises some as we get more miles. Overall I really like the car. Back seat room is sparse but I knew that going in. It's good for the two of us.
2015 Mazda 3 Skyactive 6spd. auto 2008 Mazda Tribute S 4spd auto.
Good recap of your experience so far! 4,000 miles is hardly a blip, so hopefully you will start getting a bit more out of it as you shake things out.