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I've done a 47.3mpg tank which was a single round trip over 700 miles, but my best single drive was a 217mpg average over about a 40 minute drive. We were in the Black Hills and did the Needles Highway. It is mostly down hill and fairly slow going... :P :shades:
I don't have the nav, so I picked up a ScanGauge II. It ends up showing a bit lower mpg than actual because of a bug in the firmware which shows that the car is consuming some fuel in EV mode.
Just to clarify, this mileage figure occurred a one point during a return trip home on I-80 from the Sierra Mountains. If you have a Nav system, like I do, the mileage calculations appear as-you-drive in real-time. My other mileage figures of 38-40 are per trip, not per tank. I hope this clears things up.
My original point was that TCH owners who were getting unsatisfactorily low mpg readings, and could not figure out why, probably did not have their Economy function activated.
Cheers!
Plus the Costco pricing is an easy take it or leave deal. You sit down, they show you the price, you say yes or no, and that's it. Very simple and relaxed.
I am very please with the very low maintenance cost of this car
How do I like the car? It drives fairly well, plenty of power, but also plenty of body roll through the corners. No, it is not a BMW, but I am hoping for the reliability that I get with my 03 Highlander that I also own.
My Red Rocket is fully loaded, except for missing fog lights, (what's up with that?). Leather, moon roof, NAV, alloy wheels (an option in the 11 model year) and the Bridgestones (no Michelins?!) My car was both made and purchased in May 2010 and my price OUT THE DOOR was $30.2K.
Point me to work!
Upgrade Package w/Nav
Moonroof Package
Integrated Front Fog Lamps
Heated Outside Mirrors
SET Destination Charge for NC, SC, GA, AL and FL
SET Administration Fee for NC, SC, GA, AL and FL
50 State Emissions
I've got a "no haggle" quoted price of 27996. My plan is to finance with Toyota--0% 60 months with a decent sized down payment. Does everyone expect the 0% deal to be extended?
What do you think about the potential deal?
Thanks!
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Here are the quality issues I observed so far.
1. Seat belts for front passengers are very difficult to reach.
2. The auto-dimming mirror is not anchored correctly, it is wobbly. The same on all cars on the dealer's lot.
3. My NAV display unit has magenta color cast and dealer says not a thing wrong with it.
4. The JBL sound system cannot display artist's name on tracks. The same CD displays artist's name and all with no problem on 2008 Honda Accord and 2007 TL.
5. The left rear passenger's mat does not have a shaped cut correctly, and thus goes over (instead of around) a plastic housing underneath the driver's seat.
Dislikes:
(1) I hate the outside mirrors that do not fold. Hello? I paid $33K for this car.
(2) I hate the expensive stereo that cannot display the CD text properly; and the fact that there is no STOP button.
(3) There should be vent holes at the last four inches of the moon-roof shade so that air could come in when "moon-roof is in the up position and the shade is in shut position".
(4) Shortcomings of LEDs. The dimmer for the instrument panel is not smooth across the range. It is almost like ON and OFF.
(5) The RF remote control could be flatter or more attractive. I paid $33K for the car, hello!
Take it back.
Some of them handle better than others, but the whole point of a hybrid is to enjoy it as a high mileage vehicle, and not to punish it on a tight, curvy mountain road.
I have owned two hybrids in the last 6 years, and the enjoyment comes from the MPG meter, not from the steering wheel.
Thanks...
I doubt higher maintenance has anything to do with it, with the exception of insurance premiums, which are a little higher. Repairs are more expensive on a hybrid.
Personally, my '07 TCH has cost me nothing more than routine maintenance.
Paid about $800 under invoice for it which was close to $4000 under sticker price. It is basically the fully loaded version. I am out here in Southern California so I do not think I need to worry about the cold weather affecting my mileage like in other parts of the country. So far the on-board computer system is showing about 38 mpg which I am inclined to believe.
My out the door price did not seem exceptionally good compared to some of the posts I see from 6 months back but then again, sales tax here is closer to 10% as opposed to 3% I saw for Virginia. Is that right?
Anyhow, very happy with my purchase. There are not a lot of posts about TCHs now so I am not sure if it is a dying model/concept/manufacturer but I have no complaints other than I do with the side mirrors would fold in. Otherwise, I am very satisfied.
I bought 2011 Accord LX last February which I am selling now because of the fuel cost.
It has total 18000 miles on it...
I am thinking buying 2012 Camry Hybrid now.
There is a $5000 price difference. is that really worth paying that much diff?
Are there any pros/cons someone can share?
thanks,
The Hyundai Sonata hybrid is a VERY nice car, as is the Ford Fusion.
The current "best looking" hybrid in my subjective eye is the Kia Optima - that is one sporty, sharp-looking vehicle:
So, my advice as the owner of a 2007 Camry Hybrid is to keep an open mind about what's out there. They all have similar warranties on the hybrid drivetrain, so drive a few and make the choice which is right for YOU.
Good luck, and make sure you post what you end up buying....Happy Shopping !!! :shades:
Is there still comparability between Honda/ Toyota to Hyundai/Kia?
What about resale market? maintenance etc..
I heard that these cars are barely finish their warranty and after that they are just like junk...
And are you sure it's only $5,000 to trade in your Honda on the Camry? I get a $14,000 trade in value, with the new (and therefore little-discounted) TCH price of $26,000 without options, taxes, etc. So that's over $12,000! No way that pays off from gas prices. Just keep your Accord if you want to save money.
What mpgs do you get with the Honda?
My wife will be using this car.
I was talking about getting 2012 Accord for $19700 or TCH for $25500.
Is that worth paying $5800 for getting hybrid....
My daily commuting speed 15 miles on 55mph and remaining 25 miles probably under 30 mph...
Honda advertised 23 in city so I guess I maybe getting around 20...
but again I haven't measured that yet....
At best right now, if you get 10% less than EPA on your current vehicle, subtract 10% from the EPA values of any replacement. It's not a great solution but it makes comparisons closer.
That puts an extra wrinkle in the "value" column....
Hyundai Lifetime Hybrid Battery Replacement Warranty - will other carmakers follow suit?
Coming from a 2011 Prius, which was a good hybrid, this 2012 Camry Hybrid is in another league. Much more refined, nicer interior, powerful, yet efficient. The acceleration and power is excellent, and I feel much more confident in merging into traffic. This car is no slouch. The transition from electric to gas power is almost completely unnoticed. Very good use of all electric in slow, and stop and go driving. 40 mpg in mixed driving, and its 35 degrees outside. The car feels smooth and is quite at 70 mph.
The fit and finish is very nice, with a solid feel. The seat support is improved from previous models (We own a few Prius' & Camry's as company cars). I'm not yet thrilled with the leather seating option, as the suede inserts are a bit odd initially, but it does provide a nice feel, as opposed to an all leather "slippery-feel". The interior materials and execution are a very nice improvement. The Entune seems a bit busy, but I'm not a high tech guy. It was easy to link with my iPhone 4, and has lots of great features, which I likely will not use, but those that like this stuff will get use from it. Navigation screen is clear, and seems fairly simple to use. I like the placement of storage, and instruments are clear and intuitive, with several options with 2 screens to see what is going on. Climate control is simple to use, and effective. Heated seats worked well, but I wish they were ventilated as well.
Overall, I'm impressed with this vehicle, and certainly it's efficient use of fuel. I've owned many Toyota's, Honda's, BMW's, and others over the years, so for the overall package, a daily driver, I believe this car is a winner.
I have to say, the EV Mode really works as well! I've been able to coast along in slow traffic for at least 1.2 - 2 miles at a time; and, the battery reaches full charge quickly if you let the regenerative brakes do their job and glide to a stop when possible.
Considering I am achieving this sort of mileage during the break in period, I can't wait to see what I can achieve later!
I really love the quality and value built into this car. The ride quality is excellent and the Navigation and Audio System is beyond superb!
P.S. This car is fine in Snow too, despite past posts. I got a chance to drive my new TCH in fairly deep snow (4-5 inches) on an untreated and unplowed road. The TCH handled it very well, you just have to drive this car like any other front wheel drive car in this sort of road condition.
I couldn't be happier so far!
Great Car!
anyone with suggestions..
I really like the display audio system with Navi and Entune. It does not have the JBL speakers, but the stereo is fine for my needs. I spent some time reading the manual and learning to operate the stereo, phone, energy consumption display, navi and Entune. Quite a lot of functions in such little box. I have an Iphone 4S and had no trouble pairing both the music and phone to the car system using Bluetooth. Unfortunately, the connection to the internet, which is needed to access Entune, apparently can only be done currently through the use of a USB cable from the Camry to Iphone. My understanding is that with Android phones this is not an issue. I also understand from reading a different forum that Toyota is working on a firmware to resolve this issue. Is anybody else on this forum having similar issues with the Iphone?
One other thing I noticed in the Energy Monitor screen under the Fuel Consumption (the screen that graphically shows when the car is being powered by the engine, motor or the battery is being charged) is that the battery level indicator on the right hand side never quite get to completely full even after 135 miles. The best I was able to get still shows two empty squares (about 70-75% charged). Is this normal or the battery charge icon somehow needs to be re-calibrated? Is anybody else having the same problem? I hope that it will eventually show fully charged.
One final thing I noticed that I wanted to get other people's view is that when I push the accelerator from a complete stop, the car vibrates / hesitates just enough to be noticeable as it starts moving. I'm thinking that this may be normal; perhaps the electric motor is so quiet while the car is stopped that the slightiest acceleration and movement will cause us to notice this small vibration, but I'm not sure. I noticed this a little bit when I was test driving the car last week and drove another Camry hybrid to be sure. I thought there was a small vibration with that car as well, but somehow appeared to be a little less, and I thought it would go away as I drove my car a few more miles.
Other than these relatively minor things, the car has been absolutely a delight to drive. Even the cosmic gray mica color matches the car very well and makes it look more upscale and expensive.
It won't go away, but your perception of it being a problem WILL go away. :shades:
Congrats on your new new TCH. I contacted Toyota about not being able to connect to Entune via Bluetooth and they confirmed this is the case with the basic Display Audio w/ Nav and Entune system, although with the higher end Premium HDD w/ Nav, Entune and JBL system one is able to do so. I specifically asked twice if they were working on a fix, but they did not answer, so I'm assuming no fix is on the way. Below are a couple of excerpts from Toyota's reply:
"To connect your iPhone to the vehicle and ensure internet connectivity you will need to utilize the USB cable that came with the phone. This is specific to utilizing the Entune system and specific to the software on the iPhone; you can still pair your phone to the Bluetooth system for hands-free calling.
As noted above this is an issue with the iPhone's Apple iOS operating system, neither the Android nor Blackberry operating system have this issue. Toyota provides the capability but it is up to the phone manufacturer to decide to take advantage of these features. One plus is that with your phone connected through the USB cord, it will stay fully charged."
"The reason the iPhone requires the use of the USB cable is due to the internal design of the iPhone. When connected via Bluetooth to the audio/navigation system on your Camry, the data flow is not fast enough. The upgraded HDD navigation system that is available as an option on some Camry grades is better able to compensate for the data flow capacity design of the iPhone and the USB cable is not needed.
Going forward there will continue to be different head units that offer different levels of performance."
Although this is a bit disappointing, I don't think it is a major deal for me. I'm very happy with the car otherwise. BTW, do you also notice this little hesitation I described in my original post, when you accelerate from a dead stop, a little bit like the car wants to stall? I know it won't stall but the feeling is still there. Thanks.
Yes, I do notice the slight hesitation. I think I may be already used to it, though, and hadn't given it a lot of thought until I read your post. I am amazed how smooth the transition is between the gas engine and the battery. I really need to look at the dashboard a lot of times to determine which I am on. Thanks for relaying the message from Toyota. I think you are right. I'm not going to expect a fix soon. Still don't really think the extra cost of the JBL is worth it. They are right...at least it does keep your phone charged this way, and I won't use Entune unless I am on a long trip, anyway.
By the way, I got the XLE with ALL the bells and whistles. Love it!
And also, can someone please help with this: voice recognition does not respond when we say "call ------" and a name. We can only do calls by saying each digit of the number. I have a lot of contact names in there, transferred from iphone, and I would really like to use this feature which was demonstrated to me before I chose the car. Help!