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Toyota FJ Cruiser Changes You'd Like to See



  • I'm not the only one who thinks Toyota missed the mark a bit with the FJ. I am a 4Runner owner who got excited when I heard about the FJ, but was underwelmed with the outcome. If they had gone for a Jeep Unlimited treatment on a modern FJ40 theme, they'd have an even bigger hit.

    Things Toyota got right:
    -hardware: V6, 6-spd tranny, 32" tires, 4WD goodies
    -interior: big gauges, simple layout, waterproof interior
    -heritage: headlights, "TOYOTA" badge
    -vehicle dimensions: layout, suicide doors, etc, keeps overall length/overhangs manageable for both offroad & everyday use/storage
    -aftermarket support: Toyota was smart to anticipate demand for this vehicle

    Things Toyota got wrong:
    -styling: seems oversyled for a "basic" 4x4, cartoonish, C-pillar size (blind spot), not enough retro or basic 4x4 cues for my taste, protruding tail lights, vertical windshield seems unecessary
    -develop a soft top/removable hard top verson
  • tnbluefjtnbluefj Posts: 3
    I would like to see the blind spots addressed, functional sun visors, and at 5'4" I find the windows to be a bit tall when at a bank drive through window. :blush:
    Oh, the arm rests seem to be too low on the seat for me.... maybe it's just I have short arms? :)
  • tbone12tbone12 Posts: 2
    I have loved the FJ ever since seeing the prototype. I have been reluctant to buy one because of a few minor factors that I am really surprised have not been addressed as of yet. With slower sales on SUV's, hopefully Toyota will finally make some needed changes to increase sales. I work from home and am not affected by the gas prices so much, so really hope Toyota makes these. Here is what I'd like to see addressed:

    1) Rear (1/2 doors) windows should go down. Like others have said, it is like a cavern for rear seat passengers now. Plus, I have dogs and need that increased air circulation.

    2) Needs a sunroof at least. Would be great to have a sky slider canvas roof, like the new Liberty. They may need to add a rollbar in the middle, which would look cool too.

    3) Would be good, but not needed - power rear lift gate window, like 4 Runner.

    4) needs a liftgate and no side opening rear access. When raining, lift gates are much appreciated when outdoors. Plus, much easier for loading. In doing this, maybe place the spare tire on the bottom, or on the inside ceiling, with a bump in the roof. kind of like Xterra does with their first aid kit in the rear tailgate. With a the thick rack on top, you have a bit of room to add a bump in the roof for the spare tire and hide it with the rack. Most items on a rack are placed on top anyhow.

    5) Address the huge wall in front of the passenger seat (just below the dashboard). This big empty space needs a shelf for storage, a glove compartment or something. This is an outdoor SUV and has a lot of unused space here. At the very least, add a shelf here with a mesh pocket to hold things.

    Keep the price around $30K with these options and I guarantee sales will skyrocket. With the domestics and many other mfg's cancelling future production and greatly reducing SUV production, this will make the FJ own this market. Everything goes in cycles and the American car market reacts so fast to these current changes, so when people are budgeting for the new gas prices and finally accepting them for the way they are, SUV's will be back. We've been lucky to have low gas prices for so long. It needed to go up at some time. Just like housing prices had to adjust downward at some point. Once we accept it and our budgets are in order, SUV's will be back and Toyota keeping their big sellers will be in a great position.
  • Had my FJ for a year and love it! Many of you need to take the FJ at face value. She's not built for comfort or (despite the name) "cruising". If your a soccer mom, get a mini van. If you want to get to and from your office job in luxury, get a lexus. If you want to get to the middle of timbuktu so you take your mt bike off and go even further into nowhere without gettting stuck, get an FJ. Not to mention it might look like a plastic tonka truck but how many vehicle can you just hose off the mud inside and out when you get home? Sure the visibility isn't prime, but you get used to it. Sunroofs are silly, just more for me to worry about when I put something on the roof rack. Not to mention I like the minimalism, less electronic gadgets to fix one day. Had an old CJ7 that I could take the hardtop off of but it was a pain in the keester to take off and to store, so I'm over it.The open console is kinda rediculous in a 4x4 but I had a lid custom made. My only qualm is the rear seats don't fold perfectly flat for more hauling room, but I'll live. As far as the complaints regarding the automatics, that's your fault. If you can't drive a stick, you shouldn't have a 4x4 vehicle designed to offroad. :P
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,179
    I owned a 1964 FJ40. The new FJ Cruiser is not in that league. I think that Toyota is realizing they made a mistake with FJ sales off by 60%. I would imagine they will be dropped from the lineup. Picture your FJ Cruiser in this position. Would it come out without any damage?

  • mkdtsmkdts Posts: 2
    Add a switch to the dash to turn on Courtesy Lights.
    Add a knob to tailgate to get out of from the back.
    The sun visors, You need monkey arms just to adjust one.
    The armrest for the passenger is an option, please just through one in.
    All in all I still love the hell out of mine 07. Funny story..........................
    I was down in Kentucky pulling a trailer with two quads and supplies when I looked in my rear view and noticed a Hummer coming up from behind, “the small one” he had about the same type of load on his trailer. He passed me at the beginning of a hill with a smirk on his face. Well The Fj went right by him on the hill and I believe I had a bigger smirk.
  • How about a complete re-design? The thing is a disaster>

    Rattles, can't see out of it. Back seat is a joke. Gas milage is very (VERY) poor.
    etc., etc, etc.
  • murphydogmurphydog SeattlePosts: 710
    uh - shouldn't you be looking at the Venza?
  • This is a great vehicle, but the idea of considering a vehicle with this kind of gas mileage in this day and age is just irresponsible to me, mainly because of the distances I drive.

    Gas is going to be back above $4/gallon within a year.

    If Toyota would put a diesel in it I'd write a check today. And I do mean today.
  • ubiqueubique Posts: 1
    get rid of that lump at the bottom of the dashboard I keep bumping my knees against
  • First appearing in 2000, the 1KD-FTV is one of the newest engines built by Toyota.

    The 1KD-FTV is a 3.0L (2982cc) straight-4 common rail diesel engine with a variable geometry turbocharger and Intercooler. It has 16 valves and a DOHC (double overhead camshaft) design. Bore is 96 mm and stroke is 103 mm. It generates 170 hp (125 kW) at 3400 rpm, and 260 lbf·ft (352 N·m) of torque at 1800-3400 rpm. Redline of this engine is at 4200 RPM. Compression ratio is 17.9:1.

    This engine uses Toyota's D-4D Common Rail fuel injection technology operating at ultra high pressures of up to 135 mpa (1350 bar or about 19,580psig) which is about 8 times more than the pressure of conventional fuel injection systems within a "common rail" that feeds the injectors on all four cylinders (older diesel engines have a separate line leading from the injection pump to each injector). This is combined with a 32-bit ECU which controls fuel quantity, valve-timing, and boost pressure at different engine parameters resulting in best fuel economy and also full utilization of power during acceleration. Pilot injection is also utilized by the common rail fuel system to smooth engine operation. Small amounts of fuel are introduced into the combustion chamber prior to the main injection event, reducing lag time and promoting more continuous and complete combustion. Exterior and interior engine noise is also reduced.

    The 1KD engine produces 17% more horsepower with 11% less fuel consumption than its predecessor, the 1KZ engine. Fuel consumption is also 12% more efficient than Toyota's Hybrid synergy drive.

    This engine was first used in Toyota Land Cruiser Prado and now used in the Toyota Fortuner, Hiace and Toyota Hilux.
  • Just did the Imperial MPG conversions for the US MPG's using the following data on the D4D installed in UK Toyota Landcruiser weighing 4806 pounds.

    Urban (City) 24.6 Imperial MPG or 20.5 US MPG
    Extra Urban (Highway) 37.7 Imperial MPG or 31.4 US MPG
    Combined (Combined) 41.4 Imperial MPG or 26.1 US MPG ( or 9 MPG better than the US FJ using Super Unleaded Gas)

    0-62 MPH was 11.2 Sec
    Top Speed was 109 MPH

    Super Unleaded costs $2.833 here on the East Coast (Aug 16 2009)
    Diesel costs $2.665
    If you drove 15,000 miles a year using Super Unleaded $2360 per year
    The Diesel would cost you $1537 per year or a savings of $823 per year without the government tax incentives for Diesel Vehicles...

    Seven year savings (usual time I keep a car) would be $5761 before the government tax incentives!!!

    Why don't we have these in the USA? 597 Miles per 19 gallon tank of diesel verses 291 Miles with Super Unleaded (hwy)... WTH Toyota???
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  • Roger that Tidester.
  • a Fairing to cut down on the wind noise from the roof rack

    Al Wells
  • robsisrobsis Posts: 162
    Ricochet Offroad out of Utah makes one.....
  • 4 doors would be nice.
  • I have a copy of the toyota service memo- It says that using regular gas will cause no harm, I KEEP IT in the glove box to show to doubters.
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