Subaru Forester (up to 2005)

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  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    Rufus is getting an implant on Monday. It's a top of the line, do everything power model. It can't hold a size candle to the one in the Limited (premium to you Yanks), but at 33"x19" it's not bad.

    Ross
  • dalelynndalelynn Member Posts: 28
    Hello all,

    I hooked up my bike carrier for the first time this past weekend onto my 2001 I Premium and discovered that, although it is not going anywhere since the bolt is securely seated in the hitch mount it wobbles an awful lot; almost as though the carrier itself is too small for the hitch seat. Am I missing a part, perhaps? It came mounted when I bought the car so there were no instructions with a parts list. Does anyone know anything about this or has experienced something similar?
  • miche4miche4 Member Posts: 26
    Hi Everyone,
    I spent the 3 hours in Anchorage yesterday having my "Popping" noise checked and the "noise" from the seat belt area, alias door panel.

    Conclusion: The mechanic said, in a note to me, that he will order the "latch" and replace it although he thinks the dust, rough mountain road, and 18% grade e.g., my driveway will always cause this problem. Now, I might be mistaken, but I thought these Sube vehicles like the Outback and Forester are made for non-pavement, smooth, alias, city roads! This put me out just a wee bit. If the Forester can not handle any other road conditions other than city driving then maybe they should re-think their Ad's. Also, I had specifically told the manager at Sub that this is the 4 time on the popping noise and it is pretty much the latch so order it and have it ready for my car. NOW I have to wait and go again to have it replaced. This cost me a 3/4 of a day of work! However, no noise coming from the driver side seat belt/door panel.

    I also have a bike rack that Subaru installed for me. IT is a little "loose" even when the bolt, which I hate, is secured as tight as possibly. But it works. I hauled my bike from Anchorage yesteday and again, I don't live on a smooth paved road either. But I do hate the way the bolt has to be held with the allen wrench and a socket wrench. The pin clip that came with the hitch does not work with the bike rack so it is a pain to take off and on. There are not too many parts just a bolt, washer and that is it.

    mich
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    Why do I get the feeling that you're trying to make up for that little falling out that you and Rufus had after you sat in the WRX? ;-)


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  • miche4miche4 Member Posts: 26
    Oops, I meant in the above message I posted, non-pavement, rough roads. Anyway, now a new subject: I drive with studs about 6 months of the year. Now I need to take the studs off and put on the no-snow tires! Do I need to rotate them from their original place? Who goes where? Back to front? or what? I know with Studs they have to go on the same side always or the studs get yanked out. mich
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    33"x19" is big. I think mine is 30"x15". Cool.

    Dale: I have the bike rack and it does move from side to side slightly, but it isn't noisy and the bikes do not touch the car. I use bungee cords to secure the bikes, plus the straps they provided with the rack.

    If you are swapping all four tires for brand new ones, it won't matter which ones go where. I would rotate them from their previous position if they were used before, front to rear and vice-versa.

    -juice
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    you know me too well. It is a negotiated bribe to Rufus. Since I told him about it, gas mileage seems to be improving and generally we seem to be getting along well. :~)

    Ross
  • leo2633leo2633 Member Posts: 589
    Kris,

    Thanks for the tip on Liberty Subaru. I'm going to take a ride up there tomorrow to take a test drive. I called Danny Cohen and made sure he'd be there. I told him I was referred by a satisfied customer, which he was happy to hear. I'll compare the 5 speed and the automatic, and hopefully, find a color I like. I'll keep you posted.

    Thanks to all, especially Juice. I've really learned a lot from your posts to this Town Hall topic.

    Len
  • krzychokrzycho Member Posts: 16
    Darlene's web site doesn't work. Did she changed her URL ?How can I contact her ? Chris.
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Chris- The dealership where Darlene worked has closed. No word yet if she'll be able to start up again with another dealer. And yes, we're all in mourning. (especially me cause I was planning a big order) :-(

    -Frank P.
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    Just a reminder that the Subaru Thursdays chat is on at 6-7pm Pacific/9-10 pm Eastern. Hope to see you there!
    http://www.edmunds.com/chat/subaruchat.html


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  • hammersleyhammersley Member Posts: 684
    FWIW, I also run snows and/or studded snows about 4 mo/yr. What I usually do at changeover time is mark the snow tires coming off the car to where they'll go next season - front to back, back to front, but always on the same side. This way I run my snows on opposite ends of the car every season. My non-studded winter tires (my OB) are directional, my van's studded tires aren't, but as you said, they all need to stay on the same side.

    I do the same marking procedure for the summer tires when it's time to winterize. We only put about 10k miles/year on each car, so it saves a separate rotation job.

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • rwilkerwilke Member Posts: 9
    Hello folks...just took delivery on 4-10 of my 2002 S...after waiting since Jan. Many kudos to those on this board for helping (Juice, Frank, Graham, Ken, etc.) influence my decision. Have only a few hundred miles and its killing me...I just can't wait to tach it up past 4000 rpm's and drive aggressively....sigh, oh well.

    Got it at North Park Subaru in San Antonio...service was okay...paid $100 over invoice. Am thrilled too that Subaru's are rare here in these parts. Have had several folks ask me what it is.

    more later,
  • pejpej Member Posts: 3
    9 month old Subura Forester 2001 w/ 4500 miles doing fine. Then this week traveled 80 miles one day and on the way back noticed check engine light stayed on constantly and is still on. Checked gas cap, no problem. Oil checked and may need to be changed but is this related to check engine light? Has anyone had experience with this problem. I hate to go to the dealer and end up being charged all kinds of money for nothing.
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    You won't be charged anything. The dealer has to deal with the problem under warranty.

    Ross
  • airdix81airdix81 Member Posts: 2
    I have a 2001 Forester L in Blue with 10K miles. I like the Vehicle a lot. Only a few negatives. Cheap factory sound system, poor back seat room, and cheap OE tires.

    I have several questions.

    1. Around the plastic trim bezel around the gauge package (in front of the turn signal stock) there are several horizontal slits. What are they for? I assume in the Japanese ver there is auto climate control.

    2. Other than Bridgestone Duelers, BF Goodrich Long Trail's, and Pirelli Scorpions, are there any other manufacturers who make the 205/70-15 tire in a SUV style as opposed to a passenger tire?

    3. Do any companies make air filters and interior air filters for the 01 L model, or do I have to buy genuine Subaru filters?

    Thank You
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Russell- Congratulations on your new Forester! (Time to update that profile) What color and options? San Angelo hmmm.... I lived there for a year many moons ago. You're kinda in the middle of nowhere (if I recall correctly, San Angelo is one of the largest cities in the country that isn't serviced by an interstate).

    pej- Welcome to the Subaru CEL (Check Engine Light) club. Unfortunately, Subaru's emissions systems are particularly sensitive and that problem is exacerbated by the fact that there's also a bad batch of emissions sensors out there. So, in all probability, you just have a bad sensor. As long as the CEL doesn't blink but stays on, the vehicle is okay to drive. Just call the dealer and set up an appointment so they can pull the error code and replace the offending part. It won't cost you a thing and shouldn't take more than an hour or so. And yes it's still an inconvenience!

    Sean Patrick- You're right about the sound system. I've got the upgraded speakers and it still isn't that great. There are a number of after market possibilities if you're interested in upgrading. And yes the Forester's back seat room isn't the greatest, but then you knew that when you bought it right? I can't comment on the tires since mine is an S. However, have you tried sites like TireRack.com for different tire possibilities? There are several alternatives to the OE engine air filter but I don't know of any for the cabin one.

    -Frank P.
  • leo2633leo2633 Member Posts: 589
    I went to Liberty Subaru yesterday and test drove an automatic and a 5 speed. I was very surprised with the difference between them. The stick seemed much more responsive. I ended up buying a 2001 S with the 5 speed. The only options were the cargo cover, armrest extension and tailpipe cover. I'm picking it up tomorrow (Saturday) morning.

    Thank you Kris, for telling me about Liberty Subaru. It was the easiest car buying experience I've ever had. No haggling; they gave me a price of $110 over invoice, without trying to push any extras, such as window etching, extended warranties, etc. I highly recommend anyone in the New Jersey area going to Liberty Subaru to purchase their next (or first) Subaru. I can see why they are #1 in N.J.

    I feel like a little kid looking forward to tomorrow!

    Len
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Allright, Russell! That's the first 2002 I've heard of. Congrats.

    pej: don't sweat a CEL. No big deal. If it were it would be blinking any way. Let the dealer look at it.

    Dixon: air vents for #1? I'm sure you can find several aftermarket engine air filters, but the interior air filters will probably have to be OE. Not sure about the tires - I went to a passenger car tire.

    Sweet, Len. Congrats to you too. You really did your homework - hope you like your Forester even half as much as I like mine.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Russell -- Cool! Welcome to the club!

    Sean -- Unfortunately, I came up with the same tire brands when I did a search on Tire Rack. One thing you might want to note is that the "SUV" tires that come with our Foresters are pretty much passenger car tires. They may have a slightly more aggressive tread pattern, but they're closer to passenger car tire construction vs. truck tires. For driving on unpaved roads and snow, a decent all-season passenger car tire will fare well.

    Ken
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Len- Congrats! Manual trannies rule! Hey, you think waiting one day is tough? Just try ordering one and then having to wait 8 weeks!

    -Frank P.
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Wow, I guess I will never complain anymore about my 7 week wait for my WRX! :-)

    Stephen
  • jst5jst5 Member Posts: 2
    I have a '98 Ford Ranger and found that it has little, if any back support. I drove an hour to the nearest Subaru dealer and test drove a Forester S+ and found the seats supportive and the ride smooth. I went back the next day (this is 4 hours of driving with no back support later) and test drove another S+. My back hurt this time, but I'm chalking it off to the ride in my Ranger to and from the dealership. I'd appreciate any comments on the seat support and comfort over the long haul. Any difference between the different seating materials? I'm worried about making another expensive mistake. Also, I saw an S+ with leather seats... I didn't think this was a possibility. However, the car had the moon roof. I would guess that maybe the vehicle did not have the side air bags.
    -Jason
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Consider the S model for the seat heaters alone. They can work wonders.

    The fabrics do differ slightly. The L's is kind of rough and durbale, while the Premium's is softer but perhaps less sturdy.

    -juice
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Jason- The 2002 Forester S+ does come with optional leather. FYI: All S+s have the moon roof and side airbags. While the material that covers the seat varies between trim levels, I don't believe that the seat itself is different. The comfort of the Forester's seats has been debated here on Edmunds and there are a few (a minority) who don't think they are very comfortable/supportive. In my case, I found that raising the front of the seat all the way up gives better support to the thighs and provides a more comfortable ride. Also, as Juice said, the seat heaters can provide a sort of deep heat massage during long drives. My back is a little finicky and I've made several 10+ hour drives and felt fine afterwards.

    Having said all the above, if uncomfortable seats is the only thing you don't like about your Ranger, I'm not sure I would ditch it so quickly. Have you tried aftermarket seat cushions? There are a variety of types with many designed especially to offer back support.

    Good luck and let us know what you decide.

    -Frank P.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Jason,

    I've found the front seats on my 98 Forester S to be comfortable after 53K miles. They're firm enough to provide comfort on long drives and the side bolsters work well to hold me in my seat when I'm taking on the twisties.

    The actual seat cushion material should be the same across the different trims. The fabric is different and may make it "seem" different. The S fabric is softer and grippier. Whenever I drive my friend's L, I feel like I'm sliding around.

    Ken
  • kpedersen1kpedersen1 Member Posts: 20
    Well, congratulations Len, on your new Forester!! You're just going to love it!! What a kick to drive!! What color did you settle on??Glad you liked Liberty Subaru,too....Have fun!!!Kris in NJ
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  • kpedersen1kpedersen1 Member Posts: 20
    Well, Congratulations Len, on your new Forester!!! You're going to LOVE it!!! What a KICK to drive!! What color did you settle on??Glad you liked Liberty Subaru, too...Have fun!!!Kris
  • secretariat73secretariat73 Member Posts: 47
    Just got back from the dealer with my new 2002 Forester L, in blue!

    One quick question for you all..... how does one remove the speaker covers? I already know I'm going to upgrade them. Also, what size are the speakers (visually, they look like 5 1/4) and, since I have the tweeter upgrade but no other speaker upgrade, will I encounter any crossover issues?

    -Steven-
  • bigfrank3bigfrank3 Member Posts: 426
    Congrats on your '02! I am sure you will love it. Is it a 5-spd or automatic?

    The speaker covers have a notch on the bottom. You can put your fingers there and just pop the covers off. I think there are 6 clips holding it but I had no problems in my '01 (Silverthorn).

    I do not have the tweeter upgrade and there were no high frequencies, so I put in some Kenwood KFC-1668S I got from Crutchfield for ~$50, in the front. It made a significant difference, but frankly, it still sucks overall. The only difference I hear is in the high end, which you already have with your tweeters.

    My wife has an '01 Premium (Black) with the higher end stereo that comes standard with everything but the L. She ordered it with the tweeters and the sub-woofer, but NO speaker upgrade. Her system is about 1000% better than mine, and sounds great. One of the "Manheihm Steamroller" Christmas CD's sounds fantastic in her Forester. Very crisp and clean.

    I only mention all this so you don't expect miracles from just the speakers. I would bet that your system already sounds better than mine because of your higher mounted tweeters. What we need is some more power to make the speakers dance cleanly... I hate it when they dance dirty! :)

    The fronts are 6.5", but the rears are smaller, 5" or 5 1/4" if my memory serves me. Kens or someone else who has already done the deed can give you the exact size of the rear.

    Good luck!
    Frank
  • leo2633leo2633 Member Posts: 589
    I picked up my Forester this morning. I got it in white/titanium. It looks really nice. Very classy in white, if I do say so myself! I'm thinking how good it will look with the 5 rear windows tinted.

    After driving it for one day, I must concur that the factory speakers are of poor quality. I had an aftermarket Pioneer CD receiver (180 watts) in my other car, along with 6 Pioneer speakers, and that system was excellent. I know I'll have to replace the factory speakers and add a pair of tweeters soon! Two questions: 1)does anyone know of an aftermarket subwoofer that will fit under the seat, or do I have to go with the Subaru subwoofer? 2)will aftermarket tweeters fit right into the factory openings? I noticed the picture of the factory tweeters had a bracket on them; I'm wondering if the brackets are necessary to mount the tweeters. I guess I'll be pulling the grills off in a day or so to have a look.

    After one day, I've enjoyed the car very much. It's very comfortable, quiet and responsive. I'm glad I chose the Forester.
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Len- Congratulations and you're right, tinting the windows makes a big difference. Why not go with the Subaru tweeters? Let me know if you find a subwoofer that'll fit under the seat as I'm also interested in making that upgrade.

    -Frank P.
  • secretariat73secretariat73 Member Posts: 47
    I picked up some Infinity speakers at Circuit City (6 1/2" fronts, 5 1/4" rear) and have, so far, put in the front ones. It's a bit of a weird installation, since the speakers are primarily held in place by GLUE. The factory speakers are all paper (the fronts are not dual cone but the rear ones are, due to the front tweeters) and the magnets hardly weigh anything. That's why the sound is so bad. I heartily recommend this upgrade to all; if you can do it yourself, it's a big difference for under $200.

    Otherwise, the Forester RULES! We are working on a name now.

    -Steven-
  • donaldc2donaldc2 Member Posts: 1
    Has anyone had dealings with any of the dealers in the Roanoke, a area.
    First Team Auto Mall or Shelor Auto Mall in Christiansburg, a
  • caglcagl Member Posts: 1
    I've noticed a few posts here about the 2002 Forester. Not a thing on Subaru's website!

    I've been debating CRV v. Forester for a couple months now & I think the bottom line is that I cannot see putting ANYONE in the Forester's backseat for any ride over 15 minutes.

    Yes, I know it's safer, nicer, and faster but **PLEASE** can someone tell me if the backseat legroom on the 2002 Forester is any larger??

    Thanks a ton,
    ~Connie~
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Connie- Sorry but the 2002s that are now showing up on dealer lots are essentially unchanged from the 2001s. The rumor mill has the rear seat getting additional legroom in the 2003 redesign. FWIW I'm 6'1 and I don't have a problem sitting in the back seat. Sure there could be more room, but then there are a plenty of vehicles out there with less! However, if back seat room is your # one priority, you should get the CR-V.

    -Frank P.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    No, the '02 Forester is identical to the '01 model except it has DRLs, a 2-speed rear wiper and the cargo cover is now standard, and perhaps a few other very minor items. The dealers are now starting to get them in. I've seen several.

    If you want more rear legroom buy the CRV, or wait till '03. The '03 Forester will be brand new. BTW, there will also be an all-new CRV next fall.

    As the owner of an '01 Forester, I can say that the back seat certainly could be roomier, but I've sat there for well over 15 minutes without any problem.

    Bob
  • pejpej Member Posts: 3
    -Ross: Thanks for the feedback. Hope you are right abourt no charge. Good to hear. I'll keep you posted.
    -Frank P: Thanks for the great feedback on CEL. I will be checking with my dealer. Will keep you posted.
    -juice: Thanks for the feedback. I'll be contacting the dealer. Will keep you posted.
  • susubarususubaru Member Posts: 7
    my 2001 s has an almost rhythmic vibration or rattle that is irritating, but only occurs at speeds of 65 or greater. does some component kick-in at 65 to create this rattling sound or what.it's difficult to determine the exact location of the noise, but it seems to be from the front dash area. i don't think it's from the doors or seatbelts as some people have experienced.it occurs with or without heat or air on.any suggestions would be welcomed.
  • joseph50joseph50 Member Posts: 235
    Just to say I have the same distracting thing. I think it was Kens who suggested a jiggling harmonic was being setting up by wind under a loose hood. I fiddled with the hood stop for a week, but have concluded that that is not it. It does seem it's engine related, like some component kicking in, as you suggested. Still looking for a solution.....
  • susubarususubaru Member Posts: 7
    joseph 50, i'll be going for my initial oil change in a couple of weeks, and will try to get a technician to ride with me to hear the noise. i'll post any information that's helpful and hope you'll do the same. sounds like we have an identical problem. i really like the sub otherwise.
  • joseph50joseph50 Member Posts: 235
    Thanks susubaru.
    Are you also using 87 octane? If the problem is an engine pinging, a change of gas grade might be interesting to try -- or do octane ratings affect engine performance only at low speeds. Comments, anyone?
    Thanks.
    Joe
  • laurievrbalaurievrba Member Posts: 16
    Was wondering if anyone has had a lot of superficial paint scratches on their forester. I got mine brand new 2 months ago and its amazing how many short/long scratches I've accumulated.

    I have no clue were they are coming from either, there are obviously not intentional either. I don't drive the car on anything other than pavement and don't drive it much. COuld it be that the paint job is no good and that the slight things on the road will make a shallow scratch?
    ~L
  • hciaffahciaffa Member Posts: 454
    My wife has a 99 I auto that has had a rattle that occurs at 60-65 and also when be-accelerating at those speeds since we have owned the vehicle. I have checked every connection in the engine compartment and the exhaust. I have removed the rack crossbars as well as the front bug deflector but the rattle is still there. It sounds like engine ping or some coins in a coffee can. I have tried up to 93 octane but it doesn't go away. Very frustrating. I even had the service manager in the Forester and he heard it as well but when I dropped it off for service they said they couldn't duplicate it so nothing was done. Really frustrating. I am very curious as to your results will be when you have your vehicle serviced. Please post your results.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Laurie,

    Do you have a dark colored Forester? I have a black Forester S and I find that it's not so much the paint quality as it is the color. Dark colors are beautiful when clean, but show off everything.

    A couple tips for keeping it looking sharp:
    - Wash your vehicle frequently. Dirt on your pain will make it easier to scratch when it contacts something.
    - Avoid automatic car washes. Wash by hand if possible. If you have to run it through a car wash, make sure it's a brushless type.
    - Keep a good coat of wax on your vehicle. The wax will not only help protect the paint, but it also will hide very light scratches.

    If the scratches sill bother you there are several other ways you can get rid of them. A non-abrasive polish (I like 3M Hand Glaze) will take off a very, very thin layer of the clear coat and blend in the scratch. Do this only when the above methods don't work anymore and it bothers you. You don't want to prematurely wear away your clearcoat.

    Ken
  • cotnycotny Member Posts: 3
    I recently bought a white 2001 Forester L which I am very happy with. I love the way it drives, I think it looks cool especially with the fender flares and I will have this car for a long time.

    I would like to know about the bike attachments and what recommendations others might have. Looking at the Subaru accessories list I can get the roof rack attachment or the attachment that slips into the hitch. I would be carrying two bikes and one of the bikes has a thicker than usual frame (if that makes a difference attaching the bike I don't know).
    thanks for any suggestions.
    Dennis
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    The hitch attatchment is easier to use, but harder if you need to access the trunk for anything.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Dennis,

    I prefer to use a roof mounted bike rack because it keeps my equipment out of harms way (parallel parking, rear-ending).

    I would recommend getting aftermarket bike racks. The Subaru bike racks are actually made by Yakmia, but chances are they're marked up by the dealer.

    Also, if your bike has a fat frame, you might want to consider getting a fork mount bike rack. The Subaru OE rack (same as Yakima Anklebiter) has limits to how thick the downtube can be.

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Dennis - any size round bike frame would fit. Not sure about the really tall oval ones. The anchor bolts down on top of them and below, picture a V and a ^ pressing down on each other.

    Also - the OE bike rack tilts out of the way, so you can open the hatch even with the bikes still on. In fact I do this all the time!

    Congrats to Leo and Steven. Finally, Leo!

    Laurie: I've heard complaints of the paint chipping easily, but that's probably because a lot of AWD owners rally cross. My paint has held up pretty well, though.

    -juice
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