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http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/cadillac/cts/100905508/elp.html?tab=one
I suspect Edmunds is responsible for the goof.
That does sound like a wicked good engine though. Any word on real world gas mileage for the new CTS?
The DI 3.6 CTS is supposed to get better mileage than the base 3.6 did. The new rating for the 2007 CTS are 16/25 while the 2008 is 17/26. What is not clear is whether this is for the new engine or not. The STS has similar ratings and it has the DI standard.
GM's website rates both engines at 26 highway.
http://www.edmunds.com/
Would not the CTS and SRX and STS be included? These also have v6's?
The STS is the Flagship sedan of the Cadillac line-up pal. It has the most bells and whistles aka "Gadgetology" available. In fact the 08' STS, has the most gadgets found on any GM car. :shades:
-Rocky
The DTS does offer adaptive cruise control which is only available on performance versions of the STS.
The 2008 STS debuts the latest StabiliTrak stability-control system, which now includes programming that does what you’re told to do when the rear wheels start slipping: actively steer into the skid. That’s right, StabiliTrak now steers as well as pulses individual brakes to maintain the presumed correct course. First a Lexus that parks itself; now a Cadillac that countersteers into a slide. What’s next? A manual transmission that shifts itself? Oh, wait!
To be fair, the advantage of the new StabiliTrak stems from the ability of stability-control systems to detect a skid earlier than most drivers, and it’s likely that by making minor steering corrections in the process early on, StabiliTrak could prevent certain accidents that regular stability-control systems might not be able to catch. Now, we imagine enthusiasts might have a different opinion of this “advancement,” trying as it is to get in on our fun before stamping it out altogether, but we’ll have to see just how intrusive it is before we join (or lead) that chorus. Other new technologies include a lane-departure warning system and blind-spot sensors.
I know I'm leaving out a few others but you get the picture !!!!!
-Rocky
It may be to you but the guy buying the DTS thinks he is getting the flagship because it is huge and drives down the street in real "big" style. I know owners of both and they are a different breed.
Actually the DTS is for people who want a BIG sedan. They do not care if it is FWD/RWD/AWD.
The DTS has a bose centerpoint surround sound (perhaps more advanced than 5.1?).
What I see in the DTS is a dead end product line, that will soon be replaced with a RWD sedan. The DTS is a nice FWD sedan, but the Lucerne is basically the same thing for less money.
Right now the CTS is clearly the low end Cadillac. The rest are more mid-priced Cadillacs. A high end Cadillac really does not exist.
That may be true but the old guys driving caddy's think the DTS is the one for them. Not some SUV/Station Wagon thingy or the small looking STS. Big is baddddd. (of course they would never think of bad in that definition)
The premium-luxury segment was booming five years ago when Cadillac introduced the DTS and STS. But since then, the segment has shrunk and so have DTS and STS sales.
Through August, Cadillac sold 33,368 DTS sedans, down 13.9 percent compared with the year-ago period. The STS accounted for 13,156 sales, down 24.7 percent from a year earlier.
“So arguably, we don't need two entries there anymore, given the shrinkage of that segment,” Jim Taylor, Cadillac's general manager, said last week in an interview here with Automotive News.
Taylor said that neither car is going away per se but, rather, one car will combine the best attributes of both and eventually fill that segment. He did not give a time frame.
Cadillac is also primed for an entry-level vehicle.
“Can we use (a) vehicle at $28,000 to $32,000 that would address a whole other customer group that would be under the CTS? Absolutely,” Taylor said.
GM's president of North America, Troy Clarke, has said GM would like to offer a vehicle under the CTS, something that Taylor initially had resisted. Taylor said his hesitation was due to concerns that Cadillac was not yet a strong enough premium luxury brand to risk offering a vehicle on the low end.
Cadillac's cachet is strong enough now for an entry vehicle, provided there's balance at the top with a high-priced ultraluxury vehicle. Taylor said the idea of a flagship sedan for Cadillac is still alive.
"Hello, Buick? Yeah, Cadillac just appropriated your customer base. I'll make the funeral arrangements."
Maybe for Europe - but America loves BIG cars. I doubt the Smart ForTwo is going to be a big splash, Mercedes is giving up on the A class and the B for America, and BMW isn't sending us any 1ers....I notice.
The CTS is a fairly big sedan and I wouldn't mind a slightly smaller RWD coupe/sedan from caddy with a hi-po V6 option.
Rumor has it that Cadillac will replace the STS and DTS with a single model. I would expect to see that becomes Cadillac's flagship and 7-series/S-class/LS fighter.
After that, Caddy will need a new smaller entry level vehicle for the US and to replace the existing Saab-derived B-series car available in Europe now. And a new larger flagship sedan should replace the STS and DTS on the top end.
But apparently the concept car we should expect to see at next year's North American Auto Show will be a new Caddy crossover. Since an SRX replacement is still up in the air according to the rumor mill, I expect that vehicle will be a smaller B-series crossover. It should be interesting and will be a glimpse into what a B-series car will look like.
An AWD entry level caddy with a torque hi-po V6 would be alright. I would prefer a RWD model though with AWD optional.
Well somebody wanting thirty something thousand dollar entry/lux large sedan like a buick isn't going to be shopping for a Acura TSX size Cadillac. :confuse:
-Rocky
-Rocky
After years of being criticized for its slapdash interior designs, General Motors has consistently improved the quality, fit and finish inside its vehicles, including the Cadillac CTS. The leather trim for components like the instrument panel, center console and the insides of the doors is now cut, wrapped and sewn entirely by hand and includes decorative French stitching found on much more expensive European luxury cars. Gauges and controls are fairly straightforward and ergonomically correct.
And from folks who actually were in one:
http://autos.yahoo.com/cadillac_cts-reviews_user/
Comfortable and handsomely trimmed interior
Possibly the most dramatic improvement to the CTS is the upscale and coherently flowing interior, complete with classy materials and top-notch fit and finish. Cadillac’s least-expensive car certainly doesn’t feel that way, and it upstages the ’08 Mercedes C-class. It also doesn’t hurt that even with a steeply raked rear window, the CTS offers a much larger and usable back seat (the smallest Caddy is similar in size to a 5-series BMW) than those in the smaller luxury sedans it competes with price-wise.
S-class consumers are also needing a car that has an elan or panache. It must be very exclusive. Cadillac has not had any offerings to meet that characterization. Has it ever had?
I think Cadillac had something in the thirties with the V16, but they have never had anything quite like that since. Cadillac has generally wanted a profitable model, not really an icon.
thanks
A point to consider: since Cadillac has been marketing the CTS as an entry level (3-series) car, moving it upmarket needs to be done with the 2008 model on the basis that it is all new. Of course this brings up the problem of where does the STS fit then. Sure it can be put up against the 7-series, but it has not done well in comparison tests with the E-class or 5-series.
I will say this, if a CTS wagon were going to be available for the 2008 model year (it won't), I would most likely have waited for it.
I do not get the mag but I can probably get one.
I don't know just what Cadillac is thinking for the next generation STS or DTS. If Cadillac plans to play in the 5-series sports sedan market, then the smaller end of the DTS/STS model will need to be this type of sedan. The larger end of the combined model can be a deVille replacement. An even larger model might be a higher end model like the old Fleetwood sixty special was.
I suppose that Caddy says "I've arrived" or "I made it" whereas the others say "what took you so long??"