I don't get why some folks say this. What kind of vehicle are we comparing it to? Out of all our SUVs (Forester, Pilot, Pacifica), our 2.5T AWD XC90 is the fastest, hands down. I have to be careful with the pedal, as a matter of fact, to prevent chirping the tires (once past the turbo lag) when accelerating and turning at the same time.
But, because I hear this stated so often, I gotta wonder if we didn't somehow luck out and get a particularly fast one. *shrug*
Although I wouldn't be terribly surprised. When I had my S70 T5, there were reports of acceleration times all over the map with the auto trans. Most clustered around 7 secs 0-60. Some reached up towards 8 secs and some down near 6. I clocked my own with OBDII software and was able to squeeze out a 6.2. Don't know if its a volvo thing or a turbo thing. Probably the latter.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I say this because I drive it every day and that's how I find it.
Some of it is probably just turbo lag off the line, but 208hp and 4,500 lbs curb weight is never going to make for a highly spirited performer. Not that this is the primary selling point of the vehicle, obviously. Anyway, once I'm out of warranty next year, I'll flash the ECU up to 260hp and see how that suits me.
I take it you do agree that nearly $20K for a stripper '06 is hardly a screaming deal, though?
I don't have my galves subscription updated, but you gave the number, and I'm sure its accurate.
Back on that engine thing, I have pondered the reflash, too, but the more I drive it, the more I feel its unnecessary. From about 10 mph up, that truck builds speed real quick. Don't forget, while the hp number may not be up to par with a V6, the torque IS, and it comes on full bore at relatively low rpms. Once that turbo spins up, I've left many V8 SUVs in the dust.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I have an '06 XC90 2.5t AWD with Prem, Climate, and DVD Ent. It is a 5-seater, not 7 and has 52,000 miles on it (all driven my myself and my wife). Our lease is up at the end of the month. I have an opportunity to buy the car from the leasing bank for $14,953 + $1047 NJ tax = $16,000 flat. They are negotiating the buyout from the original residual. I'm tempted since we like the car and we've also spent about $800 putting new tires and front brake pads on in the last 6 months. Good deal or should I return it?
I think that's very fair. They're offering it to you at right around book value -- so if you like the car, maintained it well and have money in new tires and brakes then buying it off lease makes good sense.
'06 Volvo XC90 5cyl 2.5t 45,000 miles Everything except DVD and Nav DOES have leather and 3rd row VERY CLEAN Certified and Clean Carfax report I already bought it for $18,500 and I feel good about it...any feedback?
I'm considering a 2007 XC90; CarFax and the dealer list the vehicle as AWD. The usual markings on the lower third of the tailgate are not there; typically there is "XC90" on the left and "3.2" and "AWD" on the right. Any ideas?
You can look underneath for the rear differential. Or you can drive into some loose dirt/snow/whatever. Come to a stop. Stick your head out the window to watch the rear wheels, and lay into the gas.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
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Trying to determine if this is a good deal. 2006 XC90 2.5T,34K miles, premium and climate pkg. Leasing bank is offering vehicle for 18,800(tax included)
My wife primarily drives a 2004 XC90 which we bought new. It's a T5 model. We've felt the turbo five has been more than adequate and gets 20+mpg on the highway driving 70-75 regularly, much better than the V8. The vehicle has almost 160K miles on it and has been very reliable throughout. We're very pleased overall--it continues to drive as new and remains very solid without squeaks and rattles--better than any domestic SUV we've owned previously. We expect to go 250K or more before it's retired and hope to replace it with another XC when we do.
I am looking at buying a volvo SUV. I know this is the volvo section of the forum thats why I wanted to post. Again forgive me if my answers are already on the forum This are my minimum specs.
Now I am looking at the Volvo or the Honda Pilot.
Are there any other SUVs comparable to the XC90 ?
this is what I am looking for in the XC90
1. Has to be XC90 2.5T model, possibly the prem & climate package. 2. Has to have 3rd row seating (ie 7 passenger) 3. This will be a USED vehicle no neet for it to be new. 4. Not more than 3yrs old
Is there anything else that I should be looking at or considering when purchasing this vehicle.
I live in Canada but I'd be buying this car in the US because it will be cheaper. I know I have to go thru all the Canadian safety /specs. That's not an issue for me.
Obviously nobody wants to buy a lemon.
Any suggestions /help is very much appreciated. Thanks
If you drive the Pilot and XC90 back-to-back, like I did, you'll probably also find that the Pilot just doesn't compare.
If you buy from a non-volvo dealer, i strongly suggest you have a volvo specialist check out the vehicle prior to purchase. There are couple of problematic areas, namely the wheel bearings and angle gear seal.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
'05 v8 xc90, 45,000 miles. everything but nav and dvd. great condition carfax certified, all factory maintaince. warranty until 50k or may of 2009 , I bought it in 11/08. 16K even out the door. A good deal?
actually now that I think about it, it was about 16700 with the tax. We got them to waive their processing fee. But we did have to but new tires on right away and get the 42.5K check up
For identically equipped xc's I'm seeing a typical increase of $4500 on the 08's. Mileage on both are average for their years. What am I missing? The way I see it, essentially you're paying an extra $4500 for an extra year of warranty coverage.
Hi...we have a 2005 V8 that has had no problems and gets better gas mileage than my sister's 2004 T6...both fully loaded with 3 row seating. I think the V8 is really worth it especially since it has a much better trans than the earlier T6. Just my humble opinion!
2006 xc90 2.5T,5 cylinder 54k miles dvd player rear park assist
Dealer sticker price 25k(before tax). I have seen around 19k offered for a similar vehicle in other edmunds forums. This is central NJ, What can we really offer?
Looks like the same spec's on an 06 here in Dallas....54K, XC90 2.5T, CPO...$20,995 asking. You can probably get for ~19K. I also see several 08's at 25-26K. Not sure this helps much with your location. Good luck.
That's a ton of miles. I think even $19k is too high.
I'm not sure of the exact number, you might want to ask volvomax over on the real-world trade-in values board, but I'd wager a guess that its worth maybe $14k on a trade. So $17k retail would be ALL the money.
Unless its CPO.
If you do ask volvomax, he'll need to know major options besides DVD. If it has 3rd row, then it has Versatility pack. If it has heated seats, it has Climate pack. Oh, and does it have AWD? If its missing these things, its probably worth even less than my estimate.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Looking to purchase a 2005 XC90 2.5Twith 75K miles. Price delivred including shipping is 12K. Got the dealer to add 1 yr BASIC warrenty for free. is this a good deal? Should i be cocnred with the high mileage? Any of you out there kept the XC90 for that long? I appreciate a quick repsonce. thanks.
I am looking at buying a certified pre-owned 2007 Volvo XC90. Here are the details is this a good deal? 2007 Volvo XC90 3.2 AWD climate package (heated front seats, headlamp washers) convenience package (park assist, power retractable rearview mirrors etc) Premium Package (power moonroof, power passenger seat, leather, 6CD in dash changer Versatility package (Erd row, self leveling rear suspension, AC 3rd Row, center booster) Volvo Navigation Rear DVD (in headrests) Certified pre-owned warranty to 100,000 miles 32,204 miles Asking $32950 dealer will go to $30,400 Any ideas???? original sticker was $50010
After my personal experience with a new 2004 xc90, i wouldnt buy one new, and certainly wouldnt consider a used one. I've got 77k miles and i'm on my 4th set of tires and second set of brakes (and i downshift in manual mode ALOT). Add to that the leaking angle gear box that just put me out $700, and the infamous "deck error" on the cd changer which turns it into useless junk and a $700 replacement(volvo knows about the problem possibly caused by listening to burned cd's, but that info appears nowhere in manuals, possibly because on average it only breaks down after the warranty is up).
What model did you buy? Since you didn't mention a transmission failure, I'm assuming the 2.5T?
The angle gear is about the only thing I've been concerned about. I hope it holds up for us or goes out while still under warranty. I haven't heard of this deck error issue. What is the story on that? Why would burned CDs cause such an issue?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I'm looking at a '05 V8. The chassis has 73k miles on it and it's got a replaced Yamaha V8 in it with 53k miles. Also, new tires, brake pads, tie rods. It's from a Volvo dealership which will certify it to 100,000 miles with the Volvo totalcare warranty. It's AWD with 7 passenger, heated seats. Everything except nav and dvd. Dealership is offering it at $17,900. Any thoughts? Also looking for real world mileage info...
I'm heading there tomorrow so a quick response would be appreciated.
The engine was replaced recently with a used V8 with 53,000 miles. It was not replaced at 20,000 miles with a new engine. I believe it was replaced because of an oil leak that drained the engine & blew it. I wouldn't consider buying it were it not for the fact that the engine was replaced by a friend who works at the dealership. He knows Volvo's well and I trust his judgment. It's also got roughly 30,000miles left on the warranty, which bring some peace of mind.
I'm more concerned about the overall selling price & the relatively high miles. Considering the replaced engine, reselling it would be difficult. I've seen similarly equipped V8's in my area for over $20k, but most have fewer miles and, of course, original engine.
Ah, well, it is good that you know all of that. As you said, it helps YOUR peace of mind. I would make sure I get solid documentation on all of that and never lose it.
Would prefer they had replaced with a new engine, however.
Found a 2005 xc90 v8 AWD rear entertainment, Navigation, basically all options even running boards. Metalic Silver 31,000 miles. Is 20,000 a good price? New tires and brakes too.
We should be buying a used car in the next couple of months so I'm really trying hard to do some research now on the cars were interested in. It's about 50/50 on what I hear about the volvos and acura with reliability. I have only owned Honda and I'm back to being inbetween the XC90 (my pick) and the Acura MDX (husbands pick). Either way I know that if something goes wrong (heaven forbid!) we will be paying a lot for repairs with these 2 vehicles. What I am wondering is how many miles is too high to be buying used? obviously I want to stay away from 75k+ since I'm looking at only 3-4 years used with AWD but on average how long do the xc90's last if their well kept and have a good carfax? Im super easy on cars and don't plan on putting more than 10k a year. Also, I know with Honda you need to replace timing belt and get a good tune-up @ 100k, is their a similar mantaince req. for volvo after so many miles? If so, whats their req. mileage point and how much does yearly maintence cost on average? All feedback with be GREATLY appreciated!!!!!
We owned a 05 XC90 2.5T for 6 years. Overall it's a good car. The car was pretty much trouble free for the first 4 years (and first 3 years of maintenance was free). Had some unexpected repairs in year 5 & 6, but it never truly broke down. Also replaced the bigger wear/tear items like battery and front brake rotors in year 6. The first major service comes in at 60K miles. The car needs 4 new tires every 2 years.
The car handles and brakes very well for its weight and height. It's narrower than an MDX, so it's easier to park. For the 3-row model, the second row leg room is tight, but it has a very deep cargo area that is more usable than that in the MDX. Acceleration from the 2.5T engine is acceptable, but by no means strong. Gas mileage wise, we got 16-17 local and 22 hwy.
Make sure you have a mechanic thoroughly check the suspension components and brakes for wear. A clean 3-4 year old model (no T6) with 40K or so miles would not be a bad choice.
I need a reliable used vehicle and this one is $13000 with 65000 miles. Looks great. Are there concerns with this year or model I need to know prior to purchase. Want it for my son in 3 yrs when he gets his license. Any thoughts
I'm looking at an 2007 XC90. CarFax said that it was never in an accident but showed, among other things:
axle shaft replaced after 65,000 miles; electrical system checked at 65,000 miles; front wheel bearings replaced at 70,000 miles; engine/powertrain computer/module reprogramed at 81,500 miles; battery charging system checked at 80,000 miles; and electrical system checked at 82,000 miles.
Are these red herrings? Do XC90's have issues with axle shafts or electrical systems? Is checking electrical system standard? I'm assuming that the driver was reporting electrical problems and the dealer couldn't identify/fix. Thanks.
Wouldn't bother you but can't afford to buy another lemon.
I have a 2009 Volvo XC90 AWD (not the V8) with 27k miles coming off of a 39 mo lease. I can buy it for $17.5k and finance it privately for about 2%. Any thoughts on whether I should buy it or not? Thanks!
Did you purchase this car new? What options did it have? - climate, BLIS, etc. Just intersting to note that your price to buy it off the lease is $17.5k and I am looking at 2009 XC90's and the lowest for a car with 32k miles is $33k. How much do the dealers mark up a used XC 90?
dual climate, sunroof, standard radio, heated seats, optional 3rd row. fairly standard - not a lot of options. the buyout price does seem a little low based on what i have seen offered for similar used models. perhaps they come with extended warranties? but 33k vs. 18k is a big difference.
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The 2.5T has not had any major issues. It's a solid engine, albeit a little underpowered for the vehicle.
But, because I hear this stated so often, I gotta wonder if we didn't somehow luck out and get a particularly fast one. *shrug*
Although I wouldn't be terribly surprised. When I had my S70 T5, there were reports of acceleration times all over the map with the auto trans. Most clustered around 7 secs 0-60. Some reached up towards 8 secs and some down near 6. I clocked my own with OBDII software and was able to squeeze out a 6.2. Don't know if its a volvo thing or a turbo thing. Probably the latter.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Some of it is probably just turbo lag off the line, but 208hp and 4,500 lbs curb weight is never going to make for a highly spirited performer. Not that this is the primary selling point of the vehicle, obviously. Anyway, once I'm out of warranty next year, I'll flash the ECU up to 260hp and see how that suits me.
I take it you do agree that nearly $20K for a stripper '06 is hardly a screaming deal, though?
I don't have my galves subscription updated, but you gave the number, and I'm sure its accurate.
Back on that engine thing, I have pondered the reflash, too, but the more I drive it, the more I feel its unnecessary. From about 10 mph up, that truck builds speed real quick. Don't forget, while the hp number may not be up to par with a V6, the torque IS, and it comes on full bore at relatively low rpms. Once that turbo spins up, I've left many V8 SUVs in the dust.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Should I proceed or is there a 'gotcha' risk?
Thanks
thanks,
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45,000 miles
Everything except DVD and Nav
DOES have leather and 3rd row
VERY CLEAN
Certified and Clean Carfax report
I already bought it for $18,500 and I feel good about it...any feedback?
You feel good about it, so why ask? Do you really want negative feedback to make you feel bad about it? Enjoy it!!
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
2006 XC90 2.5T,34K miles, premium and climate pkg.
Leasing bank is offering vehicle for 18,800(tax included)
This are my minimum specs.
Now I am looking at the Volvo or the Honda Pilot.
Are there any other SUVs comparable to the XC90 ?
this is what I am looking for in the XC90
1. Has to be XC90 2.5T model, possibly the prem & climate package.
2. Has to have 3rd row seating (ie 7 passenger)
3. This will be a USED vehicle no neet for it to be new.
4. Not more than 3yrs old
Is there anything else that I should be looking at or considering when purchasing this vehicle.
I live in Canada but I'd be buying this car in the US because it will be cheaper. I know I have to go thru all the Canadian safety /specs. That's not an issue for me.
Obviously nobody wants to buy a lemon.
Any suggestions /help is very much appreciated.
Thanks
If you buy from a non-volvo dealer, i strongly suggest you have a volvo specialist check out the vehicle prior to purchase. There are couple of problematic areas, namely the wheel bearings and angle gear seal.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Soo... that's puts the purchase price where? $14k?
Sounds like quite a good deal.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
For identically equipped xc's I'm seeing a typical increase of $4500 on the 08's. Mileage on both are average for their years. What am I missing? The way I see it, essentially you're paying an extra $4500 for an extra year of warranty coverage.
And the increase is only that much because it is so recent. The difference between 06 and 07, on the other hand, should be more like $2500-$3k.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
54k miles
dvd player
rear park assist
Dealer sticker price 25k(before tax). I have seen around 19k offered for a similar vehicle in other edmunds forums. This is central NJ, What can we really offer?
Thanks much for the advise.
I'm not sure of the exact number, you might want to ask volvomax over on the real-world trade-in values board, but I'd wager a guess that its worth maybe $14k on a trade. So $17k retail would be ALL the money.
Unless its CPO.
If you do ask volvomax, he'll need to know major options besides DVD. If it has 3rd row, then it has Versatility pack. If it has heated seats, it has Climate pack. Oh, and does it have AWD? If its missing these things, its probably worth even less than my estimate.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
2007 Volvo XC90 3.2 AWD
climate package (heated front seats, headlamp washers)
convenience package (park assist, power retractable rearview mirrors etc)
Premium Package (power moonroof, power passenger seat, leather, 6CD in dash changer
Versatility package (Erd row, self leveling rear suspension, AC 3rd Row, center booster)
Volvo Navigation
Rear DVD (in headrests)
Certified pre-owned warranty to 100,000 miles
32,204 miles
Asking $32950 dealer will go to $30,400
Any ideas???? original sticker was $50010
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
What model did you buy? Since you didn't mention a transmission failure, I'm assuming the 2.5T?
The angle gear is about the only thing I've been concerned about. I hope it holds up for us or goes out while still under warranty. I haven't heard of this deck error issue. What is the story on that? Why would burned CDs cause such an issue?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I'm heading there tomorrow so a quick response would be appreciated.
Also, think of how this will affect resale value. Just as it troubles me now to read that, so will it trouble most other buyers.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I'm more concerned about the overall selling price & the relatively high miles. Considering the replaced engine, reselling it would be difficult. I've seen similarly equipped V8's in my area for over $20k, but most have fewer miles and, of course, original engine.
Thanks.
Would prefer they had replaced with a new engine, however.
As far as value ... well, I don't know if volvomax watches this thread, so try asking on the Real-World Trade-in Values thread.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
If CPO, that's a great price.
If not, its a fair price for both parties. Just make sure it has no accident history.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
p.s. I am def staying away from the T6 models.
The car handles and brakes very well for its weight and height. It's narrower than an MDX, so it's easier to park. For the 3-row model, the second row leg room is tight, but it has a very deep cargo area that is more usable than that in the MDX. Acceleration from the 2.5T engine is acceptable, but by no means strong. Gas mileage wise, we got 16-17 local and 22 hwy.
Make sure you have a mechanic thoroughly check the suspension components and brakes for wear. A clean 3-4 year old model (no T6) with 40K or so miles would not be a bad choice.
axle shaft replaced after 65,000 miles;
electrical system checked at 65,000 miles;
front wheel bearings replaced at 70,000 miles;
engine/powertrain computer/module reprogramed at 81,500 miles;
battery charging system checked at 80,000 miles; and
electrical system checked at 82,000 miles.
Are these red herrings? Do XC90's have issues with axle shafts or electrical systems? Is checking electrical system standard? I'm assuming that the driver was reporting electrical problems and the dealer couldn't identify/fix. Thanks.
Wouldn't bother you but can't afford to buy another lemon.
Thanks!