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  • jimmyj1945jimmyj1945 Member Posts: 141
    Actually I did think that at first. Naturally, less $$$ for almost the same vehicle. It's the almost that is holding me up. We plan on keeping this vehicle 10-years, so don't want a few dollars getting in the way. That being said, we plan to take the advise of someone from these boards and take a look at the 2002 and 2003 side by side. Can hardly wait.

    Jim J.
  • upstateny2upstateny2 Member Posts: 11
    I follow both the Forester and CRV boards. My understanding is that the 2002 CRV is a ULEV and Honda seems to be introducing hybrids into their product line. Where is Subaru heading regarding ULEVs & hybrids.
  • maverick1017maverick1017 Member Posts: 212
    Hey all,

    I just went to the Buffalo Auto Show and let me tell you, I still like the Forester best. I didn't realize exactly HOW Big the S premium sun roof really is!! Damn that's big. Anyway, I noticed that the Liberty's rear seats don't fold flat and alot of the small utes interiors just aren't as comfortable as the Foresters...maybe I am just biased. The Saturn VUE is something interesting...car based, offered in 2wd or 4wd. Car like handling and mileage. Pretty impressive. Pontiac Vibe is also something interesting, pretty much the same thing as a Aztec, but smaller, very interesting. Wasn't impressed by either RAV4 or CRV. Although my girlfriend did fall in LOVE with the WRX and the GMC YUKON Denali...Damn, that's gonna be expensive to finance.

    Oh Well. just some thoughts.

    Mike
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Member Posts: 318
    Holy crap, Marie!

    I asked about the differences between a Forester S and an Outback Sport over 220 messages ago! Looks like I'll be hurting to keep up with this discussion. By the way...

    I'M A NEW FORESTER OWNER!!!

    I got a nearly loaded 2002 Forester S for about $500 under Edmunds.com TMV in Atlanta, GA. Burgundy/graystone paint scheme. Automatic transmission. After a test drive in a loaded 2002 Outback Sport (a sweet little ride in its own right), I just couldn't stand not having the cargo room and extra space.

    My new Forester replaced a '99 Mercury Cougar V-6 -- a car that was plagued with little fit and finish issues. Although it was a sweet looking little coupe, I had to find something more reliable, more practical, and driveable by a fiancée WITHOUT manual transmission driving skills.

    Anyway...WOOHOO! I finally got my Subaru!

    Later,
    burnsmr4
  • winwashwinwash Member Posts: 5
    What dealer in Atl did you buy from and how was the dealer to deal with?
    THANKS,WINWASH
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    upstateny2- The 2002 Forester is an LEV. No word yet on what the 2003 will be rated but I won't be surprised if it's ULEV. You can compare the current Forester with the new CRV at this link (The new CRV has lower smog emissions but slightly higher greenhouse emissions).

    -Frank P.
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    So we've had trouble with the OEM bug shield on our 01' Forester S+ twice now... The first time, a strong cross wind just tore it clean off while driving I-15 eastbound on our way back from a trip to Disneyland last spring. (80mph frontal wind vs ?mpg crosswind and it just flew off ?! NOT confidence inspiring... This thing has serious design deficiencies.)

    I waited quite a while before having it replaced, but two weeks ago when I brought the car in to have the performance gauge pack installed, I also had the dealer replace the bug shield. Big mistake.

    Friday my wife is driving home through one of our Colorado wind storms and it comes loose. She pulled over and called me - I had her remove it but the damage was done... Across the hood and in both fender corners the paint is trashed.

    Good news part: called Flatiron Subaru in Boulder, CO Saturday morning and told the service rep my story. They stepped right up to the plate, no questions asked. They're paying for a complete repaint of the hood and both fenders, and giving me a loaner while they have my car. I told them to keep the bug shield, and remove the mounting clips - it's worse than useless.

    I can say that the whole experience with Flatirons has been about as good as you can hope for under the circumstances. Just wanted to pass it on.

    Patti - It happens that my family has been in the plastics forming business for almost 60 years. Is there someone in technical I could speak to on this ? This design needs to be revisited.

    You need to change the mounting scheme, and either increase the wall thickness or go to a different material. You could do this without impacting your cost of production too greatly, depending on the size of your production runs.
  • ghgemmerghgemmer Member Posts: 5
    I had the same problem as you did. My dealer had to replace my front

    hood deflector 3 times under warranty (each time was because the side

    clips popped off from the hood while driving down the highway with the ends of the hood deflector vibrating rapidly against the ends of the hood).

    They eventually decided to reimburse me for the deflector.

    Since then I have searched the web and found a deflector to replace it.

    I purchased one from Perfect Fit at http://www.carbras.com (for a

    2001 forester)

    I took it out for a test drive on the highway during a very windy day

    and it worked fine.

    It appears to be stiffer (slightly thicker also) than my previous

    deflector.

    It does require bumpons (little black silicon bumpers) to be placed on

    the hood to keep it separated from the hood (as opposed the bumpons

    being on the deflector and you having to put pads down like on my old

    deflector) and it attaches underneath the hood via plugs with screws in

    the two holes where the weather stripping is connected. It also

    attaches at the ends of the hood with two clips but these clips are

    definitely larger than the ones on my old hood deflector. I think the

    combination of the stiffness of the deflector and larger clips will keep

    the deflector from popping off like my old one. The deflector can

    easily be removed (a little more effort than removing the old one) for washing and waxing the car.

    The only problem I can possibly see with my new one is the spacing

    between the hood and deflector (not much space) right at the two ridges

    that run the length of the hood but I think this can be remedied by

    adjusting the placement of the bumpons.

    Anyway, I know what your going through and thought I'd offer up my

    experience on this so far.


    Greg

  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    from Chicago. I'm telling you, every time I see a new picture, it looks better and better. There are 4 shots here, 2 of which are new.

    NOTE: I had to break up the URL (added a character space after underscored type) because Web-X can't handle long URLs. Arrrrugh!

    Bob

    http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/ Caranddriver/autoshows/2002_chicago/2002_chicago_gallery.xml
  • scirocco22scirocco22 Member Posts: 721
    I love the silver one!!!!

    Thanx, Bob

    --'rocco
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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    There's a trick; let me find it...

    ah yes, try http://www.makeashorterlink.com.

    And thanks for giving us the margins back :-)

    Steve
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  • scirocco22scirocco22 Member Posts: 721
    Steve-- Hope I didn't mess things up for ya *lol*
    I was just experimenting around trying to figure out how to get around that 115 character restriction. Is there any way around that?

    --'rocco
  • scirocco22scirocco22 Member Posts: 721
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Sometimes you can spell check and then post, and it works. But the test you saw that I deleted didn't, so ....

    {edit mode re sarcasm - gotta watch for the smileys!}

    Steve
    Host
    SUVs, Vans and Aftermarket & Accessories Message Boards
  • scirocco22scirocco22 Member Posts: 721
    ooooh, you were being sarcastic about "makingashorterlink.com"! ...and I fell for it!

    ...or maybe you weren't ...I didn't find anything at that URL.

    k, sorry again!

    --'rocco
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Bob,

    Thanks for the link. I really like the silver one -- the back looks MUCH better on that particular model. The monotone silver combined with the triangular taillights give it a Benz-like look.

    Ken
  • scirocco22scirocco22 Member Posts: 721
    hmmmm, that is a legitimate URL (makeashorterlink.com) it didn't come up the first time. It's great!!!

    Thanx!

    --'rocco
  • scirocco22scirocco22 Member Posts: 721
    The silver 2003 Forester (left side/rear view) from C and D:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1526366

    But I wonder how long makeashorterlink will hold that transfer? ...they say "for as long as possible." ...hmmmmm.

    --'rocco
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    kcram, host of the Smart Shopper and FWI Message Boards found the shorter link trick. I guess they'll hold that transfer as long as they can load an ad up while you're waiting for the real page to load (either they'll sell ad space or go broke, I figure). Enjoy!

    Steve
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  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
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  • scirocco22scirocco22 Member Posts: 721
    There's an option where you can skip the transition page! ...even better! Thank you for your efforts!

    --'rocco
  • scirocco22scirocco22 Member Posts: 721
    Frank-- that's good to hear! ...I was afraid that it was only working from my computer. You didn't see the transition page, did ya?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I'll pass your thanks along to kcram. How are these guys gonna stay in business though? Very nice of them while it lasts :-)

    Steve
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  • scirocco22scirocco22 Member Posts: 721
    Steve-- Yes, please do pass that along to kcram. Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how long their service lasts. Nice find!

    --'rocco
  • joseph50joseph50 Member Posts: 235
    Ken is right. Give that Silver one "Best is Show"!
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Steve,

    Thanks for that cool link! I also wonder how long until we'll start getting pop-up ads.

    Ken
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Member Posts: 318
    Someone WAY ON BACK asked about my Forester S buying experience in Atlanta.

    I took my federal credit union's pricing for a Forester S through the auto finder service to Conley Subaru-Isuzu in Decatur, GA. Subaru had better financing rates than the federal credit union. The dealership was also willing to meet/beat the federal credit union's $200 over invoice pricing.

    I had been looking at a Forester S at Conley since October 2001. The salesman I worked with is one of the best in the Southeast, and I understand why. No pressure. Very communicative. Great feedback.

    Everyone else that I worked with at the aealership was pleasant as well. The finance manager was great with advice on how to manage the paperwork associated with a private sale in Georgia. The sales manager, during the deal-making process, was called in to talk with me, but, again, no pressure or hostility.

    When I got to the finance manager's desk, I was given a very clear bill of sale with no hidden fees. The dealer ad fee was within Edmunds.com guidelines and came from a regional dealership association and not the dealership itself. The documentation was a little high -- $249 -- and I couldn't get them to budge on it. If I'd bought the car a week earlier, I would have saved $50 on the documentation fee.

    I'm a picky buyer, and even after I spent two hours haggling with them and checking different prices/car configurations, they happily agreed to remove the pinstripe from the car I eventually decided upon. The fella removing the pinstripe took almost an hour carefully peeling it off and buffing out the adhesive residue. The car was also meticulously washed and prepped before I received it.

    Overall, I'd give Conley a 10 out of 10. I would buy there again. I will update my experience when I go in for my first scheduled maintenance. That's where things can take a turn for the worst. Hopefully not with these fine folks.

    Regards,
    burnsmr4

    P.S. - Just in case anyone was wondering, I don't work for Conley. ;-P
  • joseph50joseph50 Member Posts: 235
    A few paragraphs, including,

    "small price increase vs. the '02, despite more features";

    "a beefier look, but it still most resembles a wagon";

    "reconfigured rear seats for more room";

    (surprise here)- "lower center of gravity for snappier handling."
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Yeah I wouldn't believe anything USToday publishes as far as cars. Must remember their facts are usually even more off-base than the car mags! :)

    -mike
  • storytellerstoryteller Member Posts: 476
    Thanks. We've heard before that the interior had been revised to make it roomier, but this is the first definite indication anyone has posted that the rear seats get more room. I don't understand why they couldn't release specs when they debuted the car, but that gives us one more little thing to eagerly look forward to!
  • joseph50joseph50 Member Posts: 235
    Come to think of it, the aluminum hood alone would be enough to lower the center of gravity, No?
    The juiceman on vacation? kinda insecure around here without him.
  • hurler4hurler4 Member Posts: 104
    I just test drove the 2003 Toyota Matrix, and it beats the 2002 Forester in just about everything except for engine power and torque (the torque is terrible at low revs). If the 2003 Forester has better-quality cloth, more room, a more solid feel, and better handling than the 2002 Forester, I think I'll wait until it comes out. Has anyone else test driven the Matrix?
    I'm really hoping that the 2003 Forester can come close to the solid feel of the Matrix. And it's a shame that Toyota comes up short in one, big area with their new vehicle.
  • storytellerstoryteller Member Posts: 476
    joseph: Juice is supposed to be at a wedding or something. I know what you're feeling, though. There was a Florida promotion years ago: "A day with juice is like a day without sunshine."
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    LOL. Steve, isn't it a little early to be attacking Juice, especially since he's not here to defend himself?
    :-)

    Ross
  • storytellerstoryteller Member Posts: 476
    Hardly attacking. I'm just saying we all miss him. It was inconsiderate of those folks to schedule a wedding right when the Forester was upgraded, though. ;-)
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I wonder if he took his Miata and a puppy - oh wait, he's married.

    Nevermind :-)

    Steve
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  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    Read your quote CAREFULLY this time. :-)

    Ross
  • chief1989chief1989 Member Posts: 19
    I know you did not mean to attack Juice. I think you were saying a day WITHOUT Juice...not with.

    And I agree.

    Jim J.
  • odd1odd1 Member Posts: 227
    You are my sunshine. My only sunshine. You make me happy when.....Subie rolls out a new model.
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Allan-
    Solar Flare when they roll out the Forester Turbo, B4, GT-B, Blitzen... Stateside =)

    -Dave
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Sometimes less scrutiny is better! :-)

    tidester
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  • perritoperrito Member Posts: 66
    Well,

    I haven't posted here in a while, because I got rid of my 2001 Forester S (blue, 5 spd.) back in September for a 2002 WRX wagon (blue, 5 spd., do you see a theme emerging?).

    I have to say that I am pretty disappointed in BOTH the baja and the latest 03 forester. Yawn. Same engine; it's not a bad engine, but there is simply too much competition out there to be resting on Subie laurels. I know many of your will rally (yes, pun intended) to the defense of your current foresters. To be sure, the looks on the 03 are much sharper, looking a bit more "tribute-like" than the former version. I do appreciate more leg room as well.

    I won't be buying another Subaru until the Legacy Blitzen models are available in this country with a MANUAL transmission. I looked at the two larger outbacks with the 6 cylinders before getting the WRX, but with no manual: no fun.

    cheers all, perhaps i shall return to the forester flock again, until then..

    perrito
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    It's an occupational hazard due to the marking of papers and exams. BTW it's Armac not amac.

    ;~)

    Ross
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Ross,

    I apologize for mashing your name!

    BTW - I can relate completely to the hazards of grading papers and exams!

    tidester
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  • rsheldon1rsheldon1 Member Posts: 9
    My post was as follows:
    I have a 2001 Forester that just turned 30,000 miles and just recently I noticed a engine noise when I start the car. This noise is quite loud and it only acts up when the car is cold and at times it takes ten minutes for it to quiet. Once the car has been warmed, subsequent starts are quiet. It sounds like a clattering noise so I am sure it is in the valve train somewhere and at higher RPM's it is not so pronounced. What a disappointment as I have been absolutely faithful with the maintenance of this vehicle and I change the oil EVERY 3000 miles using a semi-synthetic oil. The car goes into the dealer Monday and I am not looking forward to these upcoming battles with the service people.
    --------------------------------------------------
    Did some research and discovered that Subaru had some problems with their motors but from what I can decipher it was primarily in 98 and 99. The knocking noise was cause by what was termed "SHORT PISTON SKIRTS" with the action plan to either replace the pistons or replace the short block. My engine had a definite KNOCK and not a tick and I took it the the dealers yesterday, letting it sit outside all night. Believe me, that Subaru performed wonderfully this morning when the Subaru folks listened to me start the Forester up. Knocking was an understatement! The Subaru mechanic stated that the piston skirt issue had been resolved and he thought that my noise is the timing belt tensioner. They just called me to say they ordered the timing belt tensioner parts and I will take it back in next week. If this does not fix it they will have to keep trying.
  • mrk610mrk610 Member Posts: 378
    I.m waiting on a call back from my dealer on the same problem .How long did it take the dealer to notify you that it was the timing tensioner . It has been over a week and half and no owrd from dealer . SO i called SOA and started a case on it myself . Let me know what your outcome was please .

    mike k
  • storytellerstoryteller Member Posts: 476
    armac13: Awww, gee, I did screw up. That's what happens when you type a post while the dog is hopping up and down with crossed legs, threatening to wet the carpet if he's not let out NOW.
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