I understand your frustration. The Rep. you spoke to was correct, however. It appears that you purchased this vehicle about a year ago with about 50K miles on it. We do not have any service history on the vehicle. The front differential failure is EXTREMELY unusual. Unless it goes into an authorized Subaru dealer for diagnosis, we cannot get involved in helping to determine what caused the failure. Your post indicates that you did bring it to a dealer. Was this done after your contact with us? If so, please call us back with the name of the dealer so we can contact them.
...Got a 20001 Forester (Auto-L) and am way-pleased with it. Recently I noticed the top of the radiator, along the seam when the plastic top is attached to the body of the core, is uniformly "painted" with what appears to be dried antifreeze. Further, there appears to be a spray of the same material that was apparently blown or thrown from the top of the radiator towards the passenger side of the engine compartment. I'm not seeing the antifreeze level going down appreciably so far. So, I guess the question is ... where is the radiator normally expected to vent when it is over-pressured? Does it indeed blow the excess antifreeze to one side, or does it have a relief tube that carries excess downwards (as is the case with most domestic cars)?
Jeff: that's a tough one because of the mileage. My wife's car had a bearing and hub fail at 71k miles, and it came out of our pocket.
Is yours an auto or 5 speed? On 5 speeds, the front diffy shares gear oil with the transmission. That's something that probably should have been checked at 30k miles, possibly even changed (60k at the latest). Do you have a service history (receipts)? If so, you'd have a stronger case.
If the original owner neglected the gear oil, I wouldn't be surprised.
varmint: thanks for the update. The mounts would be different on the 2.0l turbo vs. our 2.5l boxer, at least I would think so. Probably just a coincidence, those are the only two cases I've heard of.
James: wow, 110k miles already? Believe me, that list is short compared to my last car, which was totalled at 107k miles.
I have a fix for #4: black electrical tape. Cut a little piece out and cover that CEL. ;-) If the cats were bad they'd clog up and the engine wouldn't even start.
Patrick: the radiator cap is rated for a specific pressure. Excess pressure should be vented into the overflow container, not via the radiator cap except in severe situations. They are cheap - replace the radiator cap.
In addition to the specs cited above, the AU web site also states: "A replacement for the popular turbocharged Forester GT will not be available until late next year." While rumors had a US version of the turbo Forester show up early next year, I am doubtful of that now, given this piece of news. They have an existing Forester turbo market in Australia and you would think they'll get the new model there as fast as possible.
I hope it won't be 2004 before we see it. Perhaps "next year" was a typo?
Not all markets get new models at the same time. It's quite possible that North America could get a turbo Forester months. perhaps even a year, ahead of Australia.
I have a question which I know I could answer by doing a testdrive at night. But before I go to that trouble, I wanted to ask y'all for some input on this.
I don't have great night vision, and illumination of the road at night is very important to me (not that it isn't to anyone else!!). From those of you who own Foresters, I have the following questions:
1. How would you rate the way the Forester's headlights light up the road at night?
2. Where is the improvement, and how much, when the foglights are one as well?
3. How well do the brights light up the road? The only "complaint" I have about our Explorer is that the brights don't really do anything, and illumination is actually WORSE, not better, with them on.
4. When the brights are on, do the foglights go off automatically?
5. Can the foglights be turned on WITHOUT the headlights being on?
And lastly, a non-headlight light question. How well is the inside of the car lit up by the interior lights ("dome setting" I think it used to be called??) at night? Can one see pretty well in and around the car?
Having asked all of this, I realize that what I really need to do is testdrive the car at night which I plan on doing when the funds are there to buy. But I wanted to get an idea to begin with from you experienced owners out there. Thanks!!
1. How would you rate the way the Forester's headlights light up the road at night? I've been very pleased with the Forester's lighting and would say that it's the best I've driven with standard halogen lights. The Forester uses H4 bulbs which are far better than what you find in other vehicles. The beam pattern has a very nice sharp cutoff that illuminates the road and road signs very well. I've installed Philips VisionPlus H4 bulbs in my Forester and have even brighter and better beam cut off than with regular H4s.
2. Where is the improvement, and how much, when the foglights are one as well? The foglights, straight from the factory, only illuminate 5-10 ft in front of the vehicle. You can easily adjust them with one screw to angle them upwards to increase the range to 20-30 ft. With this adjustment I find them very helpful on dark roads and poor weather. They produce a nice bright area immediately in front of the vehicle.
3. How well do the brights light up the road? The only "complaint" I have about our Explorer is that the brights don't really do anything, and illumination is actually WORSE, not better, with them on. The brights light up further down the road, but you do lose some lighting near the front of the vehicle.
4. When the brights are on, do the foglights go off automatically? Yes, but people have found ways to modify the wiring to enable this.
5. Can the foglights be turned on WITHOUT the headlights being on? No, the foglight relay taps into the headlight circuit.
And lastly, a non-headlight light question. How well is the inside of the car lit up by the interior lights ("dome setting" I think it used to be called??) at night? Can one see pretty well in and around the car? The interior dome light is mediocre on it's own. It casts a fairly dim light in the cabin. However, the Forester is equipped with two map lights on the front overhead console that do a good job in illuminating the driver and passenger area.
Just got my CR 2002 Auto Review issue in the mail. They managed to get the 2003 Forester picture, but the caption mentioned that it was just a "facelift".
<< 1. How would you rate the way the Forester's headlights light up the road at night? >>
Unlike Ken, I (really) don't like the low beams. There is a harsh cutoff edge, which I don't care for. You have to be careful not to "over drive" the headlights. It can be a problem on hilly/curvey roads, when the front of the car tends to rise and dip with the contour of the road, resulting in either no light on the road (nose pointing towards the sky), or the light cuts off right in front of the vehicle (nose pointed towards the ground). It can cause wildly differing lighting scenarios depending on the type of road you're on.
On a straight level road they seem okay, but that's it as far as I'm concerned. I don't think it's a problem of being mis-aimed, I think it's due to the harsh cut-off of the light.
<< 2. Where is the improvement, and how much, when the foglights are one as well? >>
Just a few feet in front of the bumper. Frankly, I don't see much use for foglamps, at least the ones I've experienced.
<< 3. How well do the brights light up the road? The only "complaint" I have about our Explorer is that the brights don't really do anything, and illumination is actually WORSE, not better, with them on. >>
The Forester's high beams are very good. I totally agree with you about the Explorer's high beams. I too have one, and the high beams are terrible.
<< 4. When the brights are on, do the foglights go off automatically? >>
Yes, just like that on the Explorer. In fact, I think all OEM foglamps are set up that way.
<< 5. Can the foglights be turned on WITHOUT the headlights being on? >>
No.
<< And lastly, a non-headlight light question. How well is the inside of the car lit up by the interior lights ("dome setting" I think it used to be called??) at night? Can one see pretty well in and around the car? >>
The only problem I have with the interior lighting, is that it can be very difficult to find the ignition key hole, because there is no lit key ring. The all-new '03 Forester (XS model only) will have that lit key ring feature. Currently only the Legacy GT and Legacy Outbacks have that feature.
The driver has a lit "auto" on the driver's window. I wish all the windows were lit (this may[?] be on '03 models); I have the same wish for cruise control, and power mirrors, as they are currently unlit. These features are lit on my Explorer.
That's interesting how our opinions vary widely on the low beams. I like the sharp cutoffs -- they remind me of e-code headlight patterns. I guess it's a trade off of reflectors that scatter light in a general pattern vs. those that are focus them directly ahead of you.
The area they light up is fine. However, I find it to be much like someone with tunnel vision, and little peripheral vision. It's either on or off, with nothing in between.
In urban driving, they're fine; but in rural driving—especially on hilly and twisty back country roads, where there is little or no other light to be found I do not like the Forester's low beams one bit.
The only good thing about them, it makes me slow down at night...
I like the Forester's high and low beams just fine. They're the best stock headlights I have ever had. I do mostly urban and highway driving. The foglights as installed do nothing but illuminate the pavement 4 feet in front of the car. Ken - where is that adjustment screw? Does anyone know how I could tint the fogs yellow? Yellow light 25 feet out could be useful in real fog.
Look right at the bottom of the foglight. There should be a screw with a spring wrapped around it. Just get a screwdriver and adjust to your liking. Keep in mind that the adjustment only goes so far -- you won't be getting a second set of low beams with these.
As for yellow fogs, I thought you could buy yellow tinted bulbs.
Folks, I deeply appreciate the feedback on the headlights. This is excellent information, all perspectives, and it helps a lot.
I stopped by the Subaru dealer where we are on the way home from snow shoeing with my 9-year-old, and "stuffed" her in the back of the car. I had not had any of my family in the Subaru, and she gave it her thumbs up. I was very concerned about the room back there. So, I sat in the driver's seat, and had her sit directly behind me. Both of us were bundled from our outing, and we both had hiking boots on, so it was the best possible way to test leg room. Now all I have to do is fit my 11-year-old 5'4" all leg daughter back there, and we'll be fine!!
dhdunn: If your leggy daughter finds things tight, remember the 2003 Forester (out in showrooms about May) has an extra inch of back seat leg room. Every little bit helps!
Yes, the lights (low beams) are fine on highways and urban settings; I just don't like them on dark rural country roads because of the sharp cutoff of light. The high beams are excellent.
The low beams are fine for me in most driving situations, i.e. urban/suburban, highway. But for rural or back roads driving where its pitch black and you couldn't see ten feet in front of you, like the kind I have to do to get to my girl friend's parent's house, I prefer dedicated driving lights. Those things shine up the road like noon in the dead of night. I also aim the factory fogs outwards to get pretty decent peripheral illumination, I got high power aftermarket fog lights mounted under the bumper, so I trust those in foggy situations. Let me tell you, if I have all the lights turned on at the same time its so bright I scare myself. next up...2 million candle power remote controlled search light for the roof...for when I need to find those pesky house numbers at night, in the country, no lights...and late for one of my girl friend's family's Sunday gatherings...Damn, why's all her family have to live in the country?? Oops, sorry for the rambling. Low beam, sufficient, yeah, that's it. Alright...good night.
Ken, Thanks for the adjustment tips and the link to Susquehanna Motorsports. I'm going to remove the grilles, adjust the lights and probably buy the yellow bulbs. I'm curious to see what the new improved fog lights will do in snow.
Since I live in a rural area, this is "low beam cut off" is an issue I deal with on a daily basis. As we all know the only times you use your low beams is because of oncoming traffic, or if you're fairly close behind someone in front of you. Even so, I often encounter "momentary blind spots" depending on how the road curves, or how it dips and rises. As I've said, the high beams are fine.
As lousy as my Explorer's headlights are, I don't have this problem. The same can be said of our '92 Prelude and '96 Impreza Outback. I have no low beam problem with any of those cars.
Picked up my new '02 Forester L this past Monday. This will be my second one (first one an S but can live w/o all the extras). The dealer will install the keyless entry for about $300 (!) and a local shop who does this kind of thing (recommended by the dealer) is charging $150. Does anyone see any problem with doing the after-market procedure rather than going back to the dealer? Thanks.
Nello, As for Keyless entry, Subaru's unit is made by Alpine. I used a Commando unit on my '02 Forester (Model 455 w/Starter Disable). Was $39 (US) from their Website. Installed it in the same connector/Harness as the Factory unit. Took me 2 hrs start to finish. Labor cost was me, Their Recommended shops would purchase & install same unit for $119. Hope this helps with your decision. Mikey
The lighting is good for my needs. Among the lights I have experience with, I'd rank them this way:
1. Miata with aftermarket E-codes. Fantastic. Wonderful pattern, light where it counts. 2. Subaru Forester. I agree with Ken - pattern is similar to E-codes, just not as defined. Good for a stock system, though. 3. Mazda 626. Not very good. Spread too thin. 4. Miata with stock sealed beams. AWFUL. Unacceptable, you drive around blind. Trading for the E-codes was like night and day, literally.
Too bad I haven't seen an E-code conversion kit for the Forester, those are truly fantastic. But the stock lights are the 2nd best I've tried. In rural areas I simply use the brights (when I can), which are quite good.
My dome light was moved back to fit an aftermarket moonroof, but it lights up the back seat for the baby, and the two map lights up front serve the parents. I'm pleased with that.
Given that the Forester is sold in Europe, there has to be some E-codes available for it. I guess the combination of the already nice & sharp beam pattern and the relatively lower enthusiast base for the Forester doesn't drive demand for these things.
My guess is that they'll be $300/side for the E-code assemblies. I priced E-code ones for my Trooper from NZ and that is roughly what they came out to. I just bought a set of Hella 4000s E-coded with 130w bulbs for around $325 w/the wiring harness.
mjs4-- You're right. You should expect better service. Did the dealer explain what the code meant, what triggered it and how it affects your vehicle? If you're not getting anywhere with them, I'd call 1-800-SUBARU3, let them know your concerns and set up a case # so they can follow up.
P0170 is a fuel delivery problem. (Can be Exhaust or restricted intake also). Mostly they MUST check fuel pressure. Too high could be a return hose kinked or blocked. Too low could be pump, filter, kink/clog in supply, fuel regulator. Other causes could be Engine Temp sensor or Air intake pressure sensor. The sensors can be read directly with an OBDII Scan with engine running. Fuel pressure check involves removing hoses and installing a gauge. If you don't get any satisfaction, I would try another Service dept. Good Luck...Mikey
Please do as Juice suggested. We need to know about the situation and we can get involved and help. When you call, ask the Representative to review your case with me. I'm sorry about the problem and the dealers treatment. I assure you that it will be addressed once we know where you have been bringing the car.
Anyone know how the rim offset and lug bolt spacing on an '01 Forester S+ (215/60 R16's stock) compare with that of an '02 Mazda MPV LX (215/60 R16's with the luxury package) ?
Or where I might find out ?
Here's the deal: We're looking at the MPV for later this year. I want to tow with the MPV, which comes with a donut, and since the tire size is the same as my Forester, I'm wondering if I can't snag the spare from the Forester and save myself the expense and storage of a full-size spare for the MPV. And yes, if this question strikes anyone as a bit anal, I'll plead guilty as charged...
juice ? me thinks you might have some insight here...
I just bought an '02 Forester S+. Is there anything I can do to up the horses without major alterations which may void the manufacturer's warranty? Someone told me to put in a KLN air filter to get about 10 extra horses. Would this work.
jim1969 - The air filter you're talking about is "K&N". Getting a 10 hp gain ain't gonna happen though. There is no "silver bullet". To get a 10hp improvement you'll have to spend a few bucks. - Hutch
Yeah the miata ones are like my XT6 ones. Sealed beam replacements. You get new reflectors with the replacement sealed beam, to get E-codes for built in reflectors you have to repalce the whole housing
I had asked a local fabricator to see if he would custom make a set of headlights for me, this was his reply (paraphrased)"I hope you REALLY want these, cause its gonna run about $500 and take about a month" After that I just decided to spend about $200 and installed PIAA 520 driving lights...alot cheaper and a whole lot brighter.
Check out that Canada site. Looks like the new slogan is "Owns the road, masters the trail". I say bring on a low range option before you claim the latter.
Better fuel efficiency, but they are not specific. The old manual was 21/27, auto was 22/27, so I bet the new one is 21/28 for the manual, and the same for the auto.
Bummer - the lit key ring is only on the S model. This seems silly, how much could it really cost? And to have it two ways?
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Patti
Jim J.
Is yours an auto or 5 speed? On 5 speeds, the front diffy shares gear oil with the transmission. That's something that probably should have been checked at 30k miles, possibly even changed (60k at the latest). Do you have a service history (receipts)? If so, you'd have a stronger case.
If the original owner neglected the gear oil, I wouldn't be surprised.
varmint: thanks for the update. The mounts would be different on the 2.0l turbo vs. our 2.5l boxer, at least I would think so. Probably just a coincidence, those are the only two cases I've heard of.
James: wow, 110k miles already? Believe me, that list is short compared to my last car, which was totalled at 107k miles.
I have a fix for #4: black electrical tape. Cut a little piece out and cover that CEL. ;-) If the cats were bad they'd clog up and the engine wouldn't even start.
Patrick: the radiator cap is rated for a specific pressure. Excess pressure should be vented into the overflow container, not via the radiator cap except in severe situations. They are cheap - replace the radiator cap.
-juice
"A replacement for the popular turbocharged Forester GT will not be available until late next year."
While rumors had a US version of the turbo Forester show up early next year, I am doubtful of that now, given this piece of news. They have an existing Forester turbo market in Australia and you would think they'll get the new model there as fast as possible.
I hope it won't be 2004 before we see it. Perhaps "next year" was a typo?
- D.
Bob
I have a question which I know I could answer by doing a testdrive at night. But before I go to that trouble, I wanted to ask y'all for some input on this.
I don't have great night vision, and illumination of the road at night is very important to me (not that it isn't to anyone else!!). From those of you who own Foresters, I have the following questions:
1. How would you rate the way the Forester's headlights light up the road at night?
2. Where is the improvement, and how much, when the foglights are one as well?
3. How well do the brights light up the road? The only "complaint" I have about our Explorer is that the brights don't really do anything, and illumination is actually WORSE, not better, with them on.
4. When the brights are on, do the foglights go off automatically?
5. Can the foglights be turned on WITHOUT the headlights being on?
And lastly, a non-headlight light question. How well is the inside of the car lit up by the interior lights ("dome setting" I think it used to be called??) at night? Can one see pretty well in and around the car?
Having asked all of this, I realize that what I really need to do is testdrive the car at night which I plan on doing when the funds are there to buy. But I wanted to get an idea to begin with from you experienced owners out there. Thanks!!
dh
I've been very pleased with the Forester's lighting and would say that it's the best I've driven with standard halogen lights. The Forester uses H4 bulbs which are far better than what you find in other vehicles. The beam pattern has a very nice sharp cutoff that illuminates the road and road signs very well. I've installed Philips VisionPlus H4 bulbs in my Forester and have even brighter and better beam cut off than with regular H4s.
2. Where is the improvement, and how much, when the foglights are one as well?
The foglights, straight from the factory, only illuminate 5-10 ft in front of the vehicle. You can easily adjust them with one screw to angle them upwards to increase the range to 20-30 ft. With this adjustment I find them very helpful on dark roads and poor weather. They produce a nice bright area immediately in front of the vehicle.
3. How well do the brights light up the road? The only "complaint" I have about our Explorer is that the brights don't really do anything, and illumination is actually WORSE, not better, with them on.
The brights light up further down the road, but you do lose some lighting near the front of the vehicle.
4. When the brights are on, do the foglights go off automatically?
Yes, but people have found ways to modify the wiring to enable this.
5. Can the foglights be turned on WITHOUT the headlights being on?
No, the foglight relay taps into the headlight circuit.
And lastly, a non-headlight light question. How well is the inside of the car lit up by the interior lights ("dome setting" I think it used to be called??) at night? Can one see pretty well in and around the car?
The interior dome light is mediocre on it's own. It casts a fairly dim light in the cabin. However, the Forester is equipped with two map lights on the front overhead console that do a good job in illuminating the driver and passenger area.
Ken
Patti -- I think CR should hear from SOA. :-)
Ken
Unlike Ken, I (really) don't like the low beams. There is a harsh cutoff edge, which I don't care for. You have to be careful not to "over drive" the headlights. It can be a problem on hilly/curvey roads, when the front of the car tends to rise and dip with the contour of the road, resulting in either no light on the road (nose pointing towards the sky), or the light cuts off right in front of the vehicle (nose pointed towards the ground). It can cause wildly differing lighting scenarios depending on the type of road you're on.
On a straight level road they seem okay, but that's it as far as I'm concerned. I don't think it's a problem of being mis-aimed, I think it's due to the harsh cut-off of the light.
<< 2. Where is the improvement, and how much, when the foglights are one as well? >>
Just a few feet in front of the bumper. Frankly, I don't see much use for foglamps, at least the ones I've experienced.
<< 3. How well do the brights light up the road? The only "complaint" I have about our Explorer is that the brights don't really do anything, and illumination is actually WORSE, not better, with them on. >>
The Forester's high beams are very good. I totally agree with you about the Explorer's high beams. I too have one, and the high beams are terrible.
<< 4. When the brights are on, do the foglights go off automatically? >>
Yes, just like that on the Explorer. In fact, I think all OEM foglamps are set up that way.
<< 5. Can the foglights be turned on WITHOUT the headlights being on? >>
No.
<< And lastly, a non-headlight light question. How well is the inside of the car lit up by the interior lights ("dome setting" I think it used to be called??) at night? Can one see pretty well in and around the car? >>
The only problem I have with the interior lighting, is that it can be very difficult to find the ignition key hole, because there is no lit key ring. The all-new '03 Forester (XS model only) will have that lit key ring feature. Currently only the Legacy GT and Legacy Outbacks have that feature.
The driver has a lit "auto" on the driver's window. I wish all the windows were lit (this may[?] be on '03 models); I have the same wish for cruise control, and power mirrors, as they are currently unlit. These features are lit on my Explorer.
Bob
That's interesting how our opinions vary widely on the low beams. I like the sharp cutoffs -- they remind me of e-code headlight patterns. I guess it's a trade off of reflectors that scatter light in a general pattern vs. those that are focus them directly ahead of you.
Ken
In urban driving, they're fine; but in rural driving—especially on hilly and twisty back country roads, where there is little or no other light to be found I do not like the Forester's low beams one bit.
The only good thing about them, it makes me slow down at night...
Bob
The foglights as installed do nothing but illuminate the pavement 4 feet in front of the car. Ken - where is that adjustment screw? Does anyone know how I could tint the fogs yellow? Yellow light 25 feet out could be useful in real fog.
John
Look right at the bottom of the foglight. There should be a screw with a spring wrapped around it. Just get a screwdriver and adjust to your liking. Keep in mind that the adjustment only goes so far -- you won't be getting a second set of low beams with these.
As for yellow fogs, I thought you could buy yellow tinted bulbs.
http://catalog.com/susq/hella/bulbs.htm
Scroll down to the "Yellow Star" bulbs.
Ken
I stopped by the Subaru dealer where we are on the way home from snow shoeing with my 9-year-old, and "stuffed" her in the back of the car. I had not had any of my family in the Subaru, and she gave it her thumbs up. I was very concerned about the room back there. So, I sat in the driver's seat, and had her sit directly behind me. Both of us were bundled from our outing, and we both had hiking boots on, so it was the best possible way to test leg room. Now all I have to do is fit my 11-year-old 5'4" all leg daughter back there, and we'll be fine!!
dh
Bob
Mike
John
-mike
As lousy as my Explorer's headlights are, I don't have this problem. The same can be said of our '92 Prelude and '96 Impreza Outback. I have no low beam problem with any of those cars.
Bob
1. Miata with aftermarket E-codes. Fantastic. Wonderful pattern, light where it counts.
2. Subaru Forester. I agree with Ken - pattern is similar to E-codes, just not as defined. Good for a stock system, though.
3. Mazda 626. Not very good. Spread too thin.
4. Miata with stock sealed beams. AWFUL. Unacceptable, you drive around blind. Trading for the E-codes was like night and day, literally.
Too bad I haven't seen an E-code conversion kit for the Forester, those are truly fantastic. But the stock lights are the 2nd best I've tried. In rural areas I simply use the brights (when I can), which are quite good.
My dome light was moved back to fit an aftermarket moonroof, but it lights up the back seat for the baby, and the two map lights up front serve the parents. I'm pleased with that.
-juice
Ken
-mike
E-codes: At $300/side I'll pass!
Ken
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Or where I might find out ?
Here's the deal: We're looking at the MPV for later this year. I want to tow with the MPV, which comes with a donut, and since the tire size is the same as my Forester, I'm wondering if I can't snag the spare from the Forester and save myself the expense and storage of a full-size spare for the MPV. And yes, if this question strikes anyone as a bit anal, I'll plead guilty as charged...
juice ? me thinks you might have some insight here...
Don't know 'bout the lug bolt spacing, didn't check.
-Dave
- Hutch
Offest is 48mm for the 16"x6.5" Forester S rim. I believe all Subies use 100mm spacing and 5 lugs.
Jim: looks like Rimmer may bring back their supercharger kit (about $3 grand I'd guess). I say you should be the first! :-)
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-mike
Unfortuantely, there are no engine mods that give big bang for the buck. That's the downside of a naturally aspirated engine.
Think of it this way -- if simply replacing the air filter added so much power, wouldn't the manufacturer do that to begin with? :-)
Ken
Mike
-mike
Better fuel efficiency, but they are not specific. The old manual was 21/27, auto was 22/27, so I bet the new one is 21/28 for the manual, and the same for the auto.
Bummer - the lit key ring is only on the S model. This seems silly, how much could it really cost? And to have it two ways?
-juice
I did not see heated seats mentioned... or is it just assumed to be there... in Canadian models I mean.