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I doubt if manual or automatic has anything to do with the issue; ours is a manual. I really would hate to say anything about the viper alarm; I have no experience with those. I would say that once the wire were cut you could revert back but rejoining them with one of the wire nuts or crimp them together. bertbaggins has some good photos on flicker; it shows the plastic cover removed and the white wire cut and wire nuts attached. He has had no issues for a week; ours has been over a year.
The "padlock" light on the dash stays lit, tho. You can put a switch in and flip it back when the weather warms up.
Good luck!
meron
my email is timm217rio@yahoo.com
thank you
Timm
I talk to a saturn tech. today and told him @ what was going on with my 04 ion! and he said that he would change the ignition switch. he said that he does at least one a week and more than that some times when it gets cold out!
Im having trouble re teaching the ignition! i have seen that in other posting that u guys have to turn it to start then to the on, but what is the start position? when the key rotates to engage the starter or the acc. part on the switch! my ignition has the off-on- the acc. and the rotary part!
Could some one please help me! thank u Tim
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I really hope that it works! I was told that most Gm cars with the pass lock system have to be re taught very often! so looks like i will be cutting a wire soon and installing a toggle switch!
Who is right
I just got done reading every post in this thread.
Over the summer I purchased a slightly used 2006 Ion from a Saturn Dealership here in New England and now that winter is here I'm having problems with the PassLock.
I'm pretty pissed off that this is all happening but I've got to get it fixed one way or the other because I can't keep getting stranded for 10 minutes every time it's cold outside.
After stopping in at three service stations today, I found one that understands the problem and will install a bypass.
I found a guy that sells them on Ebay for $39.00 + s&h.
If I buy the By-Pass, the service station will install it. They said it will probably take an hour or so to do the job.
Once I receive the by-pass in the mail, I'm gonna look over the directions. I all ready took the cover off of my steering column and I can see the wires everyone is talking about and I can see the ignition switch. If the directions seem simple and straight forward I'll try it myself.
I will let everybody know how I make out.
I'm also going to call the numbers to Saturn that were posted earlier.
1-866-790-5700 & 1-888-327-4236
Other than this huge problem, I like my ION.
Chuck
I'm thinking of going with this company:
http://www.nopasslock.com/
I just wrote to link title about any installation issues. Hopefully this guy "Carlos" will get back to me.
I have no intention of hooking up a remote starter either. My mechanic suggested a remote car starter store might also be able to install the bypass as well.
A large corporation might not do it because of legalities but a small mom & pop car stereo / remote starter shop might do it.
It's too bad we can't just go to the Saturn dealerships to install the bypass!! :mad:
Over the weekend I got my boyfriend to cut the white wire..the passlock light stays on and the "service needed" message comes up but so far so good--the car is starting! No problems with the viper alarm. I tested it today (we are in the northeast and the temp is 13 degrees) and it started immediately!
Thank you for your post and a special thanks to the person who posted the pics on flicker.com
I will keep you all posted if things change.
Happy Holidays,
Taina
I had the starting problem the past two winters, but very sporadic. This year I’m parking it outdoors and the problem was more frequent since winter hit. I first replaced the battery and then the starter. When that didn’t resolve the problem I decided to check the Internet and found this site.
I did try installing a new ignition switch. I was very proud of myself last Saturday when I got through the key relearning procedure without setting off the air bag. All seemed well until the car didn’t start on Monday. Monday night I cut the white wire and it has been fine since then. I will soon be placing black tape over the annoying security fault light.
To anyone else researching this problem: Turning the key and leaving it until the security light goes off – doesn’t work. New ignition switch – Evidently works sometimes, but didn’t for me. Go with Meron’s advice and cut the white wire while the car is running. (To be safe I pulled the air bag fuse while I cut the wire.)
I bought the bypass switch, but nobody that I have emailed about how to install it has responded to my question. Today I finally just did what Meron has been telling us since post # 82 or somthing like that. I cut the white wire. guess what? It works like a charm. seriously just save yourself money and stress by cutting the white wire attached to the ignition switch. Your problem will be solved and all you have to deal with is the yellow light on your dashboard. Thank you Meron.
P.S I now have a bypass switch for sale, if anyone still wants to try to install it.
Bert Baggins
I'm from Canada and last year I started to have this problem. ION 2003 222,0000 KM now, Works great now. Changed battery, starter, no luck. Thanks for the insight, I have a background as an aircraft mechanic and always looked after my own car. After reading all the information I got an idea. I dug out my original spare key and started to use it. No problems now for a month. This really worked. I think my old regular key has become worn out or worn short. The spare key was never really used. Works great for me . No ignition switch change, no cut wire. Thanks for the insight.
Thanks for the idea. I had trouble with this for about a year. Changed, battery, starter, no luck. After reading your post I got out my spare original key and started to use it. No troubles now for over a month. This realy fixed my problem, thanks.
P.S. I live in Canada.
it wont crank the key will turn and go through the cycle but we let it do that several
times for a long time and it still is dead. we even tried putting the wire back together and that did no good as well. it is pretty much useless it was just sitting there unable to move, we had to pry it into gear just to put it on a trailer to bring home.
friends dad said it might be the ignition switch as well but before i have to spend tons of money i was going to see if anyone else experienced anything like this or might have any ideas. it just doesnt make since why it would start 2 times and then suddenly die.
I took pictures and later tonight when I get home from work I'll post them and a detailed write-up on the simple procedure.
I was going to install a bypass but I couldn't find anyone to install it for me. I decided to bite the bullet and snip the white wire like Bert just did.
Hey Tate88; I could see how you could accidentally pinch a wire when replacing the plastic steering column covers. I made sure I was real careful when I put everything back together.
I'll be back!
I have a 2006 ION and here's exactly what I did yesterday while I was at work:
I removed the three screws underneath the steering wheel column. I then removed the three piece plastic cover which allows access to the ignition key lock cylinder and ignition switch.
link title
Attached to the ignition switch is a green harness plug. I pulled the harness plug to get better access to the wires. I then removed the electrical tape and found the solid white wire. I seperated the white wire from the bunch.
I re-connected the harness plug to the starter switch and started the car.
I then cut the white wire and attached wire nuts with electrical tape to each wire so as to secur it propperly. When I looked up, the passlock light was illuminated on the dash panel.
link title
I shut the car off and re-started it several times. With the car off and the key out of the ignition, I very carefully tucked all the wires back into place and re-assembled the plastic steering wheel column.
I then parked the car outside in 8 degree New England weather with the windows down for 9 hours and when it was time to go home the car started right up.
The dash light stays on constantly but unlike some others, I do not have a service display on the dash.
I called the Saturn complain Dept: 866-790-5700 and I filed a complain @ 888-327-4236 about my troubles with this issue.
If GM ever makes a recall and if I still own the car maybe I'll get the fix but for now I'm good.
Thanks everybody!
You cannot cut the wire when the car is off. Apparently that screws it up. as for starting your car. Did you do the relearn procedure for the car? also, I was using a hair dryer on my ignition to get it started in the cold.
Cutting the white wire while the car is running, making sure not to short the wires out, is all that needs to be done?
Yes or No
Thank you very much.
I had a few questions:
1. Is the white wire part of the ignition switch?
2. I read in earlier posts that a possible problem might be with the type of "lube" in the ignition switch. The coined "northern climate" vs "southern climate" lube. Does that idea relate at all to the cutting of the white wire.
3. Does anybody know of any remote car starters for manual transmissions that are easy to install? I know from the sounds of it that the remote starter spoken of on this blog seems to be easy to install for automatic transmissions. My wife has a standard, and we were quoted about $250 to have a remote starter for a manual transmission installed.
4. How long will a new ignition switch last before the starting problems begin again.
Thanks,
Cold and Frustrated Husband
2. As far as the lube thing, I don't really know. One guy tried it, and it worked, but some people have had no luck with it. I would't recomend doing anything with it.
3.I'm not sure how to install a manual starter. I do have a bypass switch that I tried to figure out, but I needed a remote starter in order for it to work. I thought I could hook up the bypass without a remote starter, but that turned out to not work.
4. Don't change the ignition switch. everyone on this board that did that ended up buying another one like a year later. Some people have bought several of them. It's just throwing money down the drain.
Cut the wire while the car is running and be done with it. That seems to work the best for everyone
1. Would it be possible to some how insulate the wire so it doesn't get cold?
2. As far as I read earlier, it seemed that the wire is a thin wire and as a result doens't transmit a proper signal when cold. Would it be possible to replace that wire with a thicker guaged wire?
Thanks,
Cold and Frustrated Husband
http://bulldogsecurity.com/New%20Wires/New%20Wires/Wires/images/03%20Saturn%20Io- n%20Starter-Crank%20circuit.bmp
This link shows a wiring diagram for installing a remote starter. It looks like the white wire connects the ignition switch to the BCM. I wonder why it takes a couple of years for this wire to go bad. Why would a new ignition switch initially work and then go out when the wires are the same size to begin with?
Cold and Frustrated Husband
I bought a Used Saturn ION 2004 with 40,000 miles. It has not started 8 times in the past month of December. Bought a new battery. Not it. Bought a new Alternator. Not it. Paid "so called" mechanic $100 dollars to fix a faulty wire in egintion switch. Called Saturn Recall Department and they said it was a faulty wire that was causing issue but NO recall on it. Got in car again at night and in cold and would not start. Like always All Lights inside car come on but engine does not. Jump started it, it started, turned off then restarted it would not start. Waited a few minutes then is started up again. It happens at night, in the cold weather. Not during day. It is so exhausting to go to your farely new car and it not start.
Good idea. bertbaggins posted some pics on flickr. Putting it on youtube would get to a lot of people.
It has been over a year now, it's about twenty degrees here and the car is still starting, first time, every time.
Good luck and post the youtube link here when you're done; I'd like to see it!
meron
Sorry about your luck. Check the posts here at about #82-84. You can do this yourself, if you are patient. It's really pretty easy.
Good luck,
meron
I know absolutely nothing about cars so I was hoping the video might help people who are as clueless yet cheap as me.
I'm also emailing NHTSA.
Thank you for contacting the Saturn Customer Assistance Center. We appreciate you taking the time to write us in regards to the concerns you are experiencing with your 2004 ION 3.
I recognize that this situation has caused you a great level of frustration, and I hope that you can accept my sincerest apology on behalf of Saturn.
Please consider this communication as acknowledgement that we have received your email. In addition, I have added the information you provided to Service Request number , and sent a notification to Rachel Perry on your behalf.
Recalls are released when the vehicle or an item in the vehicle's equipment does not comply with a Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard or when there is a safety-related defect present in the vehicle or equipment. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards set minimum performance levels for those parts of the vehicle which may effect its safe operation (brakes, tires, lighting, etc) or those which protect drivers and passengers from death or serious injury in the event of a crash.
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We do have to advise you to work closely with a Saturn Retailer to resolve your issues with your vehicle. If your vehicle has not been to the retailer within the last 30 days, we do advise you to have your vehicle looked at and diagnosed by the Saturn Certified Technicians, so that all your issues can be resolved.
If you should need to contact us in the future, simply reply to this message or call our Saturn Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-553-6000, prompt 3. Customer Relationship Specialists are available Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. and Saturday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. All times are Eastern.
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