2008 Ford Focus
Anyone have any thoughts on the upcoming 2008 Focus.I was always put off buy the many problems that plagued the early Focus models.I wasn't going to give the Focus a look because it is based on a ten year old platform. But some of the tweaks that Ford has made sound interesting.
The good news is that the suspension tuning,noise supression,and chassis stiffining, all sound like very usefull tweaks.This will probably be the only small american car that I would shop.
As far as the hatchback, you are correct that for the 2008 model year, the Focus will only be available as either a 2 door coupe or a 4 door sedan. There are many reasons behind the model decisions including customer feedback. If you would like to give us your feedback on any Ford product, please type "feedback" at customersaskford.com. Your comment will be forwarded to the proper department for review. Thanks.
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The Verve is pretty striking. The decision on the '08 Focus face lift makes more sense after seeing the rest of the product pipeline.
I just hope the UAW gives Ford time to deliver new products to market. And Ford has to do a better job selling the value proposition evidenced by recent quality and customer satisfaction surveys. Consumer perceptions are lagging behind Ford's efforts.
The new Taurus and Sable do not go nearly far enough to shine in the current market.
IMHO its better for Ford NOT to be in a segment than to have a less than stellar entry.
Fords that are compelling:
New Expedition EL,
New Super Duty,
New Escape (more so when 3.5L and 6spd arrive.)
Products that need to improve to stand out:
F-150, (still competitive but waning
Explorer, (needs more pizazz, Escape uses the same language but is much more compelling)
The seats are a big comfort improvment and the steering wheel despite not being leather in the SE has a nice squeezeability to it that the Fusion could use. Not so sure about the door panels though. Ford seems to have abandoned cloth inserts on door panels.
I considered purchasing the '08 Focus too, but not anymore. I'm sure many out there lost interest in this vehicle line too, for whatever reason.
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I looked at the 2008 4-door sedan yesterday. We own a 2003 ZX5, which has been incredibly reliable and good to drive (if only the front seats weren't so un-ergonomic/orthopedic--did Ford patent anti-lumbar-support with these?). The new interior is a great improvement (except for the lack of an adjustable steering column); I hope to drive one soon.
2. The US version of the Fiesta will most likely be a small 4dr and a 5dr Hatch, stay tuned for the 09 model year.
3. Wayne Assembly refused to adopt a competitive operating agreement prior to the new UAW contract which pretty much destroyed the business case for the hatches and wagon.
I'm not Anti-Union or anything but 2 tier wages makes sense to me. Why should Ford have to pay the guy who sweeps the floors and scrubs the toilets the same as a skilled tradesman who actually builds cars?
Those are show car photos, here is the spy photo:
Notice the dramatic grill remains?
The Fit for instances looks like a toy with little tiny wheel. The Nissan Versa sedan looks like a clown car. ETC.
Mark Fields killed the Brazilian designed Ford B car because he felt it wasn't compelling enough to be a hit.
I think the Verve, sold as a Fiesta in Europe but possibly the Verve here could be a HIT on looks alone.
At any rate, I was in a parking lot yesterday and saw the "new" Focus in person for the first time. At first, I thought that (in addition to being ugly) some sort of trim piece had broken off behind the front wheel. Then, on closer inspection, I realized that it was a faux brake vent made of plastic and was INTENDED to look as out of place as it did. That alone was enough to turn me against the redesign. Didn't the stylists learn anything from Pontiac's flirtation with (and eventual abandonment of) pointless, glue-on, plastic trim pieces??? Very off-putting to say the least. At least the inside is a vast improvement.
Why the Europeans get to enjoy the Focus that shares the platform with the Mazda3 and Volvo S40 (not to mention such great cars as the Mondeo) and we are stuck with leftovers is beyond my comprehension. I WANT to like Fords. In Europe I could. But they're just hopeless in the US.
I was going to buy a Focus hatch because of heated seats and price.
I was going to buy a Focus hatch because of heated seats and price.
Here's what real Focus' are suppose to look like...
MkI (facelifted to look like MkII):
MkII (watch out for the bulky width wider than the 6-ft wide Lexus LS430):
http://www.forddesktops.com/show.asp?f=focus&i=European_Ford_Focus_Mk2_Saloon_01- - - .jpg
MkII (facelifted to look like MkIII):
(I think the rear visibility of the new hatch is gonna suck)
But looks like the 2.3 will not come back , while the next Mazda3 will soldier on with the 4-cyl 2.3 enlarged to 2.5 (That's very Porsche 944-ish ):
Don't worry, the Verve's looks alone will kill the sales of the current American-invented Focus. & we will be getting the MkIII real Focus in a few years -- at least the sedan version.
The Verve sedan may look beautiful -- no doubt about it, but the the lack of sophisticated rear multi-link suspension won't ride beautifully -- just check out the (un) Fit ride quality as you down grade from the Civic.
So the Verve is no substitute for the compact-size C-170 MkI Focus. Unless the MkIII Focus will trim down the excessive bulky width off the MkII, I'll stick w/ my '07 MkI Focus 2.3 ST forever :P Watch me blasting my 2.3 low-end torque out of corners w/ Quaife LSD...
Nine years for any car really isn't bad at all, especially if the platform was way ahead of its time to begin with.
But wait a minute here. How dare you comparing this stone-age fossil -- the Mustang platform -- to the highly advanced C-170 Focus platform engineered in Germany? In fact, it was so advanced that BMW was drooling & almost bought the platform!
& I can't believe how arrogant Americans are when comes to their own automobile technological advancement. How the hell did this old Mustang, when using the same Nissan engine, kick-[non-permissible content removed] a Nissan Z-car w/ a modern Japanese platform on twisty roads doing drifts in this Hollywood movie Tokyo Drift! :confuse:
Since the '70's, the Mustang rides on an enlarged Pinto platform. Today's new Mustang rides on the Jaguar S-type platform but still using the solid rear axle, which is good for nothing except drag racing & other brawn-but-no-brain behaviors.
So the ignorant Americans should not perceive the German-engineered Focus as a modern-day Pinto, as it has nothing to do with it. The Mustang does.
Now if you don't care about the sophisticated Control Blade rear suspension in the German-engineered Focus, then a solid-axle V8 Focus may suit the taste of those who are still proud of the Mustang platform:
When was the last time you saw James Bond driving a Mustang? Today, James Bond drives the new Mondeo, which rides on an enlarged Focus platform: :P
http://bp2.blogger.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/RdJOBzwDY0I/AAAAAAAACv0/cUafR5XFwiE/s1600-h/- - - cARSCOOP_Ford_Mondeo_307.jpg
This statement is not quite correct. The Jag S/LincolnLS platform known as DEW proved way to expensive for the Mustang. After struggling to engineer the cost down to make it viable to use in the Mustang, Ford decided to adopt components from other Ford platforms, especially in the suspension department.
So where did Ford find the suspension components that eventually went into the 2005 Mustang?...Why from the European C1 Focus platform.
The Mustang platform is...You guessed it, based on the
Scroll down to see the light-grey sedan available w/ Volvo's 5-cyl turbo (Nice wheels, eh?).
Actually we can still get this super-sized Focus platform in the form of the new Volvo S80, Ford Edge & Mazda CX-9
The Mazda3 feels like a Japanese-design car riding on a German platform.
The S40/V50 feels like a Swedish-design car riding on a German platform.
I just had a chance sitting in the '08 American Focus sedan when I went to p/u my '07 Focus ST after some warranty work. The exterior & interior styling issues of the '08 didn't bother me much, but the difference in the quality of the interior is quite dramatic...
Front seating: The interior door handle, located ahead of the pwr window switches, is too far away. The center armrest is too low. Combining w/ the lack of telescopic steering column, the driving position doesn't even fit me! The inside rearview mirror shows a more restrictive rear vision. The looks & tactile feel of the crudely designed & styled plastic buttons feel very low rent & "un-German". & "Ouch!" as I exited the driver seat, my left knee cap was hit by the plastic protrusion from the lower left part of the dash.
Rear seating: The outer parts of the headliner force the outer 2 passengers to tilt the head toward the center of the car. The foot space underneath the front chair was restrictively narrow. & the front seat back's extra knee clearance extended so far above the real knee level that it looked stupid.
The whole interior engineering is as unsophisticated as the original Dodge Neon. Starting '08, our Focus feels like a American-design car riding on a German platform.
Im hoping I will have just as good luck with a new one.
You can bash the car all you like. HOWEVER, I offer this fact: I see FAR more Focuses (Foci?) on the road than any other small car. This is especially true of the redesigned version.
And don't tell me it's just Ford discounting the car. Every other manufacturer is unloading their small cars at fire-sale prices.
Ford Focus has some of the lowest maintenance requirements in its class including a lifetime air filter. Still, it takes more than just oil changes to keep a car functioning properly.
"the current Focus has been rated the most reliable vehicle in its segment in Germany, outdoing all [non-permissible content removed] and German brands"
aviboy97, "Mazdaspeed3 vs. VW V GTI vs. Civic Si" #1239, 26 Jun 2007 7:23 am
A decently comfy ride & controllable rear drift from the Control Blade rear suspension, along w/ great steering feedback is what makes the Focus so great.
Even after switching to electro-hydraulic power steering on the C-1 Euro Focus w/ engine larger than 1.6, competitors just can't match its steering feel:
creakid1, "Mazdaspeed3 vs. VW V GTI vs. Civic Si" #1347, 9 Mar 2008 5:10 pm
But I'm not sure about the '08 American Focus' electric power steering:
creakid1, "Ford Focus Sedan" #1944, 6 Nov 2007 2:43 am
'...While still precise it feels slightly dulled when going straight ahead, something I'd chalk up to the setup of the electrical power steering to require less inputs when driven at high speeds on the highway and fewer kickbacks from the wheel. The conversion to an electric rack also leaves the wheel mostly devoid of feedback, an area which the old Focus was very strong."
Look to actual brake tests before you make up you mind. Remember drum brakes cost lest to service and reduce cost of ownership which is important in a car in this catagory.
That Corolla I passed over to buy American is looking better and better,
Have you been relying on the car's computer to calculate the fuel economy this entire time, or have you double checked the trip meter (miles driven) divided by the amount of gas purchased using an outside source (like a calculator or pencil and paper)? The reason I ask is that sometimes the car's computer is artificially optimistic about mileage. Double check the readings and see what you get - good luck!
If you still have problems, go see a different dealer and explain the problem (maybe some other part was not connected properly after the first work was done).
"Ford of Europe" can, but "Ford" can't! :P
& even its Mazda twin ain't quite as pretty:
So....I'm hearing bits and pieces about German platform, Mazda engineered 16 valve 2.0 engine and my paperwork says the tranny was built in Germany. What gives? My vehicle was built at the Wayne plant and all the panel seams are tight and line up even, no squeaks, or leaking windows, no rattles, no pre-rusted engine parts or other parts falling off or fluids leaking all over the place. With a nice color combination of Vista Blue on Charcoal, I'm trying to figure out... am I missing something here or is everyone else missing it? Granted, the instrument cluster looks like it was designed for a 16 year old and the seats could use better side bolsters... but it seems like a great little car that looks a little (uh, sorry) European from the back! So tell me folks, what is the lineage of the drivetrain? I love the power of the 2.0 (yes, it's a little unrefined), the handling and the slippery 5 speed reminds me of my 80' Toyota Celica.
Can anyone provide more information? And can running a thicker oil like 10-30 take away the engine harshness?
But you might want to wait till the break-in is over. Otherwise the Prolong is so slippery that you might never finish your break in!
By the way, I remember only the auto tranny in the Focus is made by Mazda. So it makes sense that the manual tranny is made in Germany, where the original Focus came from!
Mazda kept its trade secret -- variable valve timing -- to themselves. So the Ford version doesn't have it, & thus trailing behind the Mazda3 2.0 all these years in mpg.
Then the Z-max, a newer engine additive, came out. I compared the engine/fuel additives & found out that the Prolong improves mpg more than the Z-max.
I could hear the engine smoothness improved in my '98 Corolla 1.8 LE when using the Prolong engine additive. But my '05 Focus 2.3 ST has a loud factory exhaust, so I could not hear the difference after adding Prolong.