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  • brian_detroitbrian_detroit Member Posts: 38
    First off CONGRATS Maynardf1 - welcome to the owners club! Hope your owner experience is a good one.

    wmacblue - I took my VUE in to get the Steering squeak fixed. They did not have to order a part but rather pulled the strut, lubed a rubber grommet and trimmed the plastic 'peg' that sticks up. so far so good. I think you got a new part of some sort for that problem (or did you fix a reay quarter panel squeak?). Cheers...
  • wes19wes19 Member Posts: 48
    When I bought my Vue (4cyl man) I got the same coverage as I had on my 1998 Merc Tracer. ONLY $25 /YR higher.
  • gm_litogationgm_litogation Member Posts: 168
    Ok it's no longer a myth to me, the sport package is real and I have all the info on it!!

    I went to the dealership nearest me and got a really nice little pamphlet about the VUE. Not only do I have all the specs I have some other info I got from Ben Cochran, one of the sales managers at Saturn of Mesquite.

    First I'll start with exactly what the sport plus package comes with and how much it cost. Many of you know this already, but I'm going to touch up on it one more time.

    Price is $16,995
    FWD 143 horse 2.2 liter Ecotec 4 cyllinder
    5 speed manual trans
    Power windows, locks, mirrors
    Cruise Control
    Compass
    Sunroof
    A/C
    Security system
    Keyless entry
    AM/FM CD with 6 speakers
    16" alloy wheels

    Ok some stuff I found out about, these models are very limited. Once they arrive on the lot they are sold. The price and the Vehicle will only be around till the end of May (speculation on Ben's part maybe). The next sport plus package will only come with the alloy wheels and the power package. The sunroof is out, and the price will probably be $17,900 (again speculation by Ben).

    Also you may only find Sport Plus' with pin stripes, tinted windows, scotchguard protectants, and whatever else the dealership can do to raise the price slightly. Ben told me a few other things too. He told me that the only colors available on the sport edition currently or as of now are the Red, Gold, Orange, and Silver. Black and white are not available.

    Anyway I think that's a pretty darn good deal compared to the CRV and the Escape. The Aztek is still a good deal also, when you consider that it also comes with a V6, auto, side airbags, and ABS. Which aren't even available on the sport plus package VUE. Granted it will cost you around $1000 more, but hey that's not bad at all.

    Oh well Ben had one more piece of advice, if you are wanting a VUE you ought to jump on this now. More than likely you will not find any at your local Saturn dealers, so preorder ASAP!

    Oh one more thing, I sat in a VUE while I was up there, a V6 model. If you have ever been in a Ford Escape or a previous generation CRV then you will notice that the interior in the VUE is quite a bit better and I was overall pretty impressed.
  • casmeycasmey Member Posts: 1
    I heard the 4wd in the Vue is from Japan and from Subaru or a Subaru design (GM owns like 15% of Fuji Heavy Industries, Subaru's parent company) This isn't bad news as IMHO Subaru makes the best 4wd from Japan.

    My question is anyone had one of these in the snow (or ice) and felt it kick in? Is it smooth, abrupt or a mix? I know that some of the GM 4wd in trucks can feel kinda spooky when the 4wd kicks in when in Auto 4wd... My brothers both have full size GM trucks. One lives in Colorado and won't drive it in Auto 4wd in the Mountains as its not comforting; he locks it in 4wd high.

    I'm looking at getting a 4wd CVT or V6 this summer...
  • maynardf1maynardf1 Member Posts: 127
    Believe or don't, but that's what our sales rep told us. Since we were already buying the vehicle, he didn't have any reason to fib. He said they can't keep up with demand, and that's why they're doing it.
    You could always order one now -- our dealer didn't ask for a deposit -- because it won't arrive for a couple months. If it's ordered before april 1, visa points still apply, and you could walk away if you didn't like what you saw when it arrived.
  • oarloxoarlox Member Posts: 45
    We have had our VUE foe two months and 4500 miles, driving on ice and snow every bluddie day. We live Alaska so we put on a few miles in the winter season. SO far I'd have to give the AWD-VUE pretty good marks. When we first got the VUE I played with the AWD by spinning the tires and trying to get the feel for it. (Remember that the AWD is a reactive system)If you are at a dead stop and spin the normally engaged front tires you will feel a slight jerk as the rears engage, while moving along and then spinning the fronts you can feel the rear engage but much more smoothly. The tires that the car came equiped with are all weather tires (Firestone Blizzard) are not a real aggresive tread pattern. They do fairly well in light snow (Not well in a foot of fresh) and not well at all on ice. But nothing other than studded tires works very well on ice. Next winter I will more than likely either put studs or Firestone Blitzac "sp" tires on it all around. This past week we have had a lot of snow and very rough road conditions. The VUE has handled the rough roads very well, in fact my wife has had the option of driving our 4X4 Suburban that has studds or the VUE and she has been very comfortable driving the VUE over 150 miles a day on the rough roads.
  • afk_xafk_x Member Posts: 393
    Maynard -

    Forgive me if you have already tried this.

    To Vent the moonroof - push the button UP or IN.

    Normally to vent a moonroof you start to open it - it vents then slides back. The VUE moonroof has a seperate function for venting.

    When you are done venting pull the button DOWN or OUT.

    Hope this helps :)
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    maynardf1 : You are right, there is no reason to disbelieve it. It just seems wacko as GM Canada has never done this before. GM points have always been good on any vehicle, even Corvette. I don't really want to order one yet, so if the points aren't accepted the, VUE is out for sure.

    gm_litogation : Did he say when the next sport package would be announced?
  • gm_litogationgm_litogation Member Posts: 168
    He didn't say when the next one would be out, but he did tell me that the current edition won't last through May.

    I would suspect that there won't be a sport package with the CVT, or if there is one it will cost quite a bit more.
  • onelucky7onelucky7 Member Posts: 121
    Maynard, I had the same problem with the light staying on all the time and, for the life of me, I couldn't figure out what the problem was . . . That daggone light stayed on when I was driving and when I got out of the car and the security system would not engage the door locks. Imagine my embarrassment and surprise when I realized that it stayed on because the rear Cargo Door was not closed properly. (blushing) There is no real indication that the door is not closed when you turn it off. However, when it is running the door latch light on the dash comes on. Anyway, not to say that you have the same snafu as I, but just thought I'd suggest it as it took us awhile to figure it out. (No, we aren't dummies. We just didn't engage our brains too quickly :)

    Carguy, they had a black Sport Vue on the lot in Richmond Virginia when I was there a couple of weeks ago. The black doesn't look that great though. But it was a Sport and the price was outstanding, much better than I paid for my 6 cyl. Auto tranny but hey, I am very happy and don't feel like I was "taken".

    Also notice, there is an upgrade in the quality of the seats from the 4 cyl. to the 6 cyl. The 6 has upgraded foam and velour fabric.

    To my fellow Vue owners, I am still getting a lot of "lookers" wanting to see the inside and check out the newest Saturn product. I will say, the people most interested are either current or former Saturn owners and all of 'em say the same thing. . . "I've been waiting for Saturn to make something bigger" and they all love the new look. Only one person has told me they didn't like something . . . they were not fond of the interior. Otherwise, I get a ton of compliments on the new machine. How 'bout y'all?
  • maynardf1maynardf1 Member Posts: 127
    Very timely posting.
    I just walked in the house shaking my head because suddenly the interior lights are behaving correctly. I opened every door and the light turned off properly after shutting each one.
    Also, twice yesterday the hatch wasn't shut properly. I was going to ask the dealer to adjust it because it took a serious slam to turn off the warning light on the dash.
    So the two must be related. Thanks.

    Nothing so simple with the sunroof, however. I've tried pushing the switch every which way and it won't vent. Not a serious problem right now since it's snowing here -- hello spring -- so I'll wait.

    It appears the driver's side seat heater the dealer had installed doesn't work. Can't really blame saturn for that I suppose.
  • phillyguy3phillyguy3 Member Posts: 88
    Has anyone purchased the scheduled maintenance package the dealers are offering? Is this a good deal or are you better off handling it on your own?
  • onelucky7onelucky7 Member Posts: 121
    As to the maintenance deal, let em say this . . . If you wanna go ahead and pay the maintenance up front, it is a good deal. It is not any cheaper than pay as you go and could be considered slightly higher in cost. BUT Saturn does do a few extras on that maintenance package than a typical oil change involves (rotating tires etc.) Additionally, it is good to have Saturn doing the maintenance for they keep very up-to-date on common probelms and concerns with your model. The only drawback is the cost. I have a couple of friends who bought the maintenance package and the ease of using it has convinced me to partake myself. Another note: you have up until the second oil change to decide whether you want it. You DO NOT have to buy it right when you get the car. It is better to pay for it separately than to wrap it into the note for obvious reasons.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    gm_litogation : No it won't be a CVT, but that's fine as I like the 5-speed. I e-mailed my Saturn guy and asked him to keep me posted on availability.

    onelucky : I was also waiting for Saturn to put out something like this and generally I am very happy with what I have seen. Some of the dash controls are a bit cheap, but otherwise I think the VUE is a very good machine. Hopefully Bob Lutz will spearhead a move to add $150 in cost to improve the interior a bit for 03.
  • phillyguy3phillyguy3 Member Posts: 88
    I don't have it in front of me, but I believe roadside assistance and overnight rentals are included, all with an upfront discount. I can't believe Saturn is not offering FREE roadside assistance to add to the credibility of a new vehicle! It appears from all the posts I have read that there are numerous complaints,albeit many are of the annoyance variety,and,even though the dealers are handling them OK,who needs the inconvenience.
    I guess I am spoiled by my last 2 Pathfinders that don't even know what the dealer shop looked like.
  • afk_xafk_x Member Posts: 393
    3 years 36K warrenty

    24 hour roadside assistance while under warrenty

    30 day money back policy

    800 customer care hotline*

    *This might not seem like a big deal but it is the reason Saturn has the lowest % of lemons of ANY manufacturer.
  • onelucky7onelucky7 Member Posts: 121
    Roadside assistance is free but it is part of the vehicle warranty rather than the maintenance package. They did this because the 3 yrs/36K mile warranty comes with the new vehicle. If they put it with the maintenance package, you would have to pay for the maintenance package to get it. Additionally, any problems with the vehicle are covered under that bumper-to-bumper warranty. The only thing maintenance covers is oil changes, tire rotations and typical maintenance stuff. Bumper-to-bumper PROBLEMS are covered by the warranty.

    I am sure that you have been very happy with your Nissan Pathfinder with no problems as I was very happy with my Saturn SL-1 with NO PROBLEMS.

    However, of utmost importance is that both of those are older models and have been around long enough to work out the bugs. But frankly, I can't remember the last first-year model that didn't have some issues. The issues described by most new Vue owners are minor in comparison to those of other models. For example, the first year Escape/Tribute had an ignition problem before it was cold off the truck. And the Liberty has an air bag recall and it's just started warming lots. And that's just a couple of examples.

    I believe that the Vue will have it's growing pains too. But the good news is that I know that Saturn will happily take care of any problems, trouble-free.
  • phillyguy2phillyguy2 Member Posts: 27
    What are you driving? When will crash tests on VUE be available? If I go with Vue, I will put in leather & heated seats. Does $1,500 sound fair? Do you know if power antenna can be installed?
    EVERYONE- keep posts going on issues. I have 8 weeks before Pathfinder lease is up.
  • theduketheduke Member Posts: 50
    I read in http://www.saturnfans.com/Saturn_Models/VUE/2002/yellowvue.html that they are planning another SE package for the summer - but it is for bright YELLOW one (only).

    Not my colour.

      

    DINDAK: I am also waiting for a few months before decising on my next car - I hope that GM points will be valid them as the VUE is still on top of my list. Without GM points, I would probably go for a CRV or a Matrix. I'll have 3 grands credit by the summer.
  • apatiaapatia Member Posts: 36
    I want a blue Vue.
  • maynardf1maynardf1 Member Posts: 127
    We paid cdn$1,295 for leather and another cdn$395 for heated seats (one of which doesn't work, btw). So $1,700 cdn should equal less than $1,000 u.s. But car prices don't translate that way, so maybe aftermarket doesn't either.
    Don't know about the power antenna. I'll have a look under the hood where the mast is to see if there appears to be room.

    re: colours and packages. Go over to saturnfans.com under vue/newsroom. There's an article about distinct yellow and blue versions planned.

    Snow today was an unwelcome development, but it gave me a chance to try the abs and traction control. Both seem to work very well. Feel on the pedal was controlled and sound wasn't especially loud. When the t.c. kicks in a light on the dash announces it's on.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    theduke : Can't use GM points on any of those vehicles either? Matrix twin, the Vibe would be your best bet.

    maynardf1 : Where do you live? We got some rain today but that's it. Snow they promised never came.
  • maynardf1maynardf1 Member Posts: 127
    SW Ontario
  • onelucky7onelucky7 Member Posts: 121
    Philly:

    I bought the orange v-6 auto Vue. I am very pleased with mine. The only problem I had was the turtle shell over the steering column was loose and the spring on the center console door needed adjusting because it took more than once to open it. Everything else has been great. I have taken mine in to have wheel locks added (We have some tire thieves here) and I got the cargo floor mat and the carpeted floor mats. My next option purchase will be the towing package. But that will have to wait as I am in the process of saving for the Maintenance package you talked about. I'd rather go ahead and pay for it so I don't have to worry about that cost later.

    I got a fair price from Saturn on my 1996 SL-1. I actually got more from Saturn than Jeep or Ford was going to give me but mainly because I told Saturn I expected them to, at least, meet their trade-in price or it was a deal-breaker. So they beat it by $100. I may have been able to sell it for a couple of hundred more myself. But I didn't want the hassle. My SL-1 was great but I had grown out of it. As an avid camper and outdoorsperson, I needed more room in a vehicle. And the Vue fit the bill.

    I also tested the CRV (the dealer folks there are quite uppity and nasty), the Liberty (I liked the looks of this one but alas since I was NOT climbing the Rubicon daily , the comfort of the ride left a lot to be desired . . . It would make a great second "fun" vehicle though), the Escape and Tribute (I thought the driver's seat was quite uncomfortable and the door handles would break off in my hand. Interestingly enough, one of the car reviewers, Consumer Reports or something, on the net said the very same thing about the door handles) I also drove a Tahoe and Expedition JUST to see if I wanted something even bigger. However the gas mileage of those hogs kept me steeled to the idea of the smaller SUV's so I went back to the Vue and Liberty which were my two faves. At the time, they were offering a 7 year/100,000 mile warranty on the Liberty which was attractive. I even took the Liberty home for a day and drove it around. But I just couldn't get used to the rough feel of the ride. Also I was still gun shy of the post-buying experience I had with Ford a few years ago. I knew Saturn would take care of me if there were any problems as I had great experiences with them over the course of ownership of my SL-1. The first Vue I saw was a stripped down 4 cylinder which sent me skirmishing for the Liberty. When Saturn got in an Orange and a Silver V-6, they called and aske dme to have a look. Once I saw that Orange V-6, I knew it was "me". So I bought it the next day.

    Sorry to be so long-winded but I thought understanding my thought process might help you in your buying experience. Take care.
  • theduketheduke Member Posts: 50
    Dindak: Did you find out about using GM points for the Vue after 31mar02?
    Or was it a rumout only?
    Thanks
  • maynardf1maynardf1 Member Posts: 127
    GM card centre (canada) 800-461-3279.
  • wmacbluewmacblue Member Posts: 56
    "Many complaints"? From whom? I think there are actually only about 5 of us in here who own a VUE... the other grumbles are from people who've only tested one :)

    Overall, I think the gripe list has been pretty small. The specific problems which have affected more than one VUE that I know about or have heard about:

    * Strut noise problem. Needs an adjustment, but is easy. I suspect it's a "batch" fault on teh current shipment of SE vehicles (I've heard of several with this problem) and I also suspect that they'll fix it for the next run (it's caused by a miscut end on the spring -- the extra length rubs on the sealing ring, making the noise. Trim the spring and voila! Noise goes away)

    * Dicky spring on the CD storage console.

    Other than that, it seems to be unit-specific niggles! My dealer said they've had VERY few of thse back... unlike the L launch.

    My car currently has something going on with the ABS (the light intermittently comes on), but they're fixing it at the 3K service on Monday.

    As Onelucky says, the first-year bugs are pretty inevitable - but the way Saturn is treating me, I barely CARE that I've had to take it in. They gave me a loaner, they treated me right, and they fixed my car right first time. No BS, no arguing, no "we couldn't find anything wrong with it" evasions... they just listened to what I said and dealt with it courteously and promptly. What more can I ask?

    The other thing, of course, is that I LOVE driving the car. It's fun, it suits my space/requirement needs and it was an incredible price for what I got. Yeah, I'd probably like it even better if this were a 2004 model and had been tweaked and perfected. But I'm pretty d***** happy with what I've got in the meantime!!
  • loopylavloopylav Member Posts: 20
    Philly, the Saturn dealer in Chapel Hill, NC said that they "charge what Saturn normally charges" to install the leather there. Apparently that amount is $1295 USD. I don't know if that is too outlandish, but I wasn't suprised to hear that amount from the dealer to install it. Although I do not believe that these seats were heated.
  • phillyguy3phillyguy3 Member Posts: 88
    Well, the Honda dealer made my decision to buy the VUE much easier. Asked for an extended test drive and they said "only around the block". When I asked why, first he mumbled about insurance,then he fessed up that he didn't want to put too many miles on demo in case somebody wanted to buy it. What, is he nuts? I realize that CR-V is in much higher demand, but "what goes around comes around". Will be ordering V6 and installing aftermarket leather & heated seats(saw one being installed & looks pretty sharp) Now I have to decide color. What's this I hear about Blue & Yellow coming out(not that I'd order yellow)?
  • jafo2001jafo2001 Member Posts: 98
    Hey Philly. What did you mean by d*****. I hope that's not an offensive word. I've only recently gotten used to the word "Gosh".

    Anyways, I tested a Vue out for 200 KM. It wasn't bad. I also had the same driver-rear-door-misfit that everyone else is talking about.

    The steering was awful, but that's a judgement call. My beef was interior shoulder room and the many giggles and creaks and rattles I found in a car with only 1200 km on it already.

    I'm glad the dealership treated you right and things were covered under warranty but I dont have the time for that nonsense. Keep your warranty, just build the car right from the get go.
  • jafo2001jafo2001 Member Posts: 98
    Actually Wmacblue, I'm not trying to make allowances for Honda dealers (who I think are arrogant to begin with) but he's right. Around here the CRVs are in hot hot demand. They go for list and you get very few choices without a 3 month wait. He really could turn that demo around very quickly.
  • maynardf1maynardf1 Member Posts: 127
    At a nearby honda dealer, there are at least 10 old style cr-vs sitting there. I wonder how much of a discount they are offering to clear them out. Is the new one a quantum leap forward or would the old one be a good buy for someone who wants a honda?
  • gm_litogationgm_litogation Member Posts: 168
    I totally agree with you, I had a friend with a 01 Jetta and he was constantly having to take it in for repairs. Then when his 2 year warranty ran out he was screwed on a regular basis.

    Oh well I don't think you have to worry about the Saturn too much. One measurement is Consumer Reports, if you look at CR ratings the Saturn S series have been rated above average for a number of years. Where as my friends Jetta is rated below average. Only if he would've checked CR before he purchased his vehicle.
  • jafo2001jafo2001 Member Posts: 98
    I won't ask why you are called GM litigation.

    Anyways, the '00 Jetta scored a "Recommended" in CR. The '01 lost the title because reliability had drastically dropped. I don't know what they did at the factory but something happened.

    As for the reliability of the S series, I'm too lazy to go fetch the magasine now but I'd hope that after producing the same car for 11 years they'd get it right by now.
  • gm_litogationgm_litogation Member Posts: 168
    Saturn has held the above average or higher reliability since 1993. Not only that they've held the #1 spot in customer satisfaction for the past ten years #2 is Lexus. Ford, Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Jeep, and Volkswagon round out the worst.


    Ya my name is interesting huh, speaking of interesting here is a page about customer and dealership satisfaction.


    http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2002/01/25/dealers.htm


    Interestingly enough 5 out of the top ten spots are held be GM. Still wondering about my name?

  • jafo2001jafo2001 Member Posts: 98
    I guess it all depends. I think people should shop for a dealer as they shop for a car. I had my VW for 3 years. I found the sales and after sales experience to be excellent. They went out of their way to give me loaners and look for things that needed changing from TSBs and all that. No complaints.

    For that matter, the first Saturn dealership I tested the VUE out at saddled me with a fast talking salesy guy who tried to upsell me from the get go. Not impressed.

    And Saturn turn a dive in the sales experience ranking a year or two ago by the way.
  • theduketheduke Member Posts: 50
    I called GM card people and comfirmed that the program remains unchanges until 1 Jan 03, with no restriction on the Vue or other Saturn until then i.e. up to $3500 accumulated credit at the time of purchase.
    It was just a bad rumour that the Vue was being excluded after March 31st 02.
  • maynardf1maynardf1 Member Posts: 127
    As the source of the bad rumour, I'm surprised. My salesman told me about it after we had purchased our vue, so he must have been uninformed not dishonest.
    Not to rule out dishonesty on other topics :-)
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Thanks for the info. That's good news.

    Saw a couple of VUEs on the road this weekend. One base and one AWD V6. Nice to see them around here and there now.
  • maynardf1maynardf1 Member Posts: 127
    With only a few hundred km so far, we're enjoying the vue. Still happy with the performance of the 4-cyl engine. Shifter could be smoother, with shorter throws, but overall it's good.
    We had some snow here last week, and I found both the abs and traction control worked very well.
    I mentioned some problems that appeared from day one in an earlier post. We're waiting a couple of weeks to see if any more crop up before taking it in for a series of fixes. Also considering getting the rear wind deflector to help keep the rear window clean. It gets much dirtier than our 9-3 rear window did.
    I love how easy it is to fold down the seats for extra cargo room. No need to remove headrests or unlock three things at once.
    Also, I didn't realize the rear seats can be reclined about two inches, making it more sleep-friendly for passengers on long trips.
    The fold-out grocery holder in the back really works. It may break in a year, but initially it's been great.
    Touch wood, but no squeaks, opposite of my only other saturn experience, a '94 SC1, which creaked, squeaked and moaned non-stop for two years.
    We got the upgraded one-cd stereo. It's quite good. No need to upgrade speakers, imo. Wish it had speed-sensitive volume, however. A Malibu has it, for crying out loud.
    Besides too many things needing to be fixed initially, my only dislikes thus far are:
    The centre console is a little uncomfortable on my right leg.
    The doors lock once you hit 5 km/h. And they don't unlock automatically until you turn off the ignition. That means you have to push the unlock button to open the door if you're dropping someone off and not turning the engine off. If we had an automatic, it would probably open when shifted into park, but with a manual it's a pain in the butt.
    The steering takes some getting used to, but the ease of use in parking lots is really nice. It stiffens up sufficiently at higher speeds.
    Visibility is very good in all directions. I agree with people who have mentioned the quality of the wipers could be improved.
    The auto-dim rear mirror works very well too.
  • onelucky7onelucky7 Member Posts: 121
    You said "I also had the same driver-rear-door-misfit that everyone else is talking about"

    EVERYONE??? Jafo, one guy has written several emails about this .25 door fit problem. I haven't seen anyone else with that problem. If we are going to discuss problems, I agree with WMAC, let's be realistic and not make it bigger than it is. Out of the five owners on here, none of them have mentioned this. Like I said one guy mentioned it over and over with little response.

    "many giggles and creaks and rattles" I've been trying to find out what these noises are that people are talking about. Mine doesn't make any creaking or rattling noises. What noises are you talking about? Where are they coming from?

    "I dont have the time for that nonsense. Keep your warranty, just build the car right from the get go."

    It certainly would be nice if first year models were problem free but as I stated in my earlier post, I haven't seen a first-year model in YEARS that has not had some problem. And most of those problems have been major safety issues or required significant repair. I am glad that my Vue has not (fingers crossed) seen any of this.

    To be honest, if you don't have time for the nonsense, you might want to stay away from any first year model. They are notorious AND none of the car makers . . . Honda, Ford, GM, VW, Jeep, Chevy, and yes, Saturn as well as the rest have come through a kick-off unscathed. I am happy to say that my vehicle is in tip-top shape and I have no regrets. From personal experience files, if I had to return to Honda or Ford in this town, I'd have been disappointed.

    By the way, as one earlier poster said, most of the minor problems seen are not widespread but rather individual. I would argue that any model, regardless of old or new, can have these problems. My brother just went around with Honda because the engine DIED in his Accord with 30K miles after the transmission had been having problems for a year or more. And Hondas are supposed to be solid! So maybe, you'd be better off with a bicycle . . . to avoid any "nonsense". ME? I'll take the warranty AND the VUE.
  • wmacbluewmacblue Member Posts: 56
    My VUE has NO squeaks & creaks... the only noise it made was the strut problem which was fixed promptly and (so it seems) completely.

    Door fit on mine is JUST fine. No door mis-fits on driver side or anywhere else.

    Jafo - not sniping, just wondering: since you obviously didn't like the VUE very much on your 1 test drive -- and aren't an owner -- how come you hang out in this forum? Genuinely curious :)

    Maynard: Glad you're enjoying your VUE! I have the same stereo system you do - it's fine, although I wish I'd realised that on the Sport Ed. I only had to pay the DIFFERENCE between that one and the cd/cassette combo, cos' I would have got it... I really need a cassette in the car too (I'm a professional musician and record rehearsals etc - it's useful to listen in the car).

    To continue the digression, anybody here have any comments about aftermarket audio add-ons? If I got a cassette with an equalizer, could they run the existing CD player through it? Now THAT would be worth getting installed!! :)
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Sounds like a good assessment. I guess over the next year or two you will see improvements in those areas you mentioned. Building a new vehicle from the ground up is tough. CR-V has had many years to perfect it's vehicles which are very good. I think from what I've seen and heard Saturn has done a pretty good job overall.
  • maynardf1maynardf1 Member Posts: 127
    I didn't make it clear. We have the cd-casette upgrade, with auto tone. Just not the 6-cd option.

    And our rear, driver's side door is out of align. After reading about the possibility, I checked it and sure enough it's 1/4 inch out. I'm not sure if I would have noticed had I not read about it. And I probably wouldn't have bothered to have it fixed if I wasn't going in for other repairs too.
  • sjmcfwsjmcfw Member Posts: 10
    We have an AWD V6 with ABS. I don't drive, but from the passenger seat it's quicker and quieter than our '99 SL2 was. It leans a bit more in the turns, but that's to be expected with higher center of gravity. Other than an intermittent creaking/clunking in back (could be the "strut problem", getting it checked soon) there are no squeaks or rattles. Fit and finish are just fine. We're in the midst of an early spring snowstorm; ABS and AWD kicked in several times on the way to work. ABS is smoother and quieter than the SL2. My wife says "I love this car" a lot
  • s_hearn01s_hearn01 Member Posts: 2
    I am test driving a Saturn Vue this upcoming weekend and have really started to lean towards the Vue rather than the Ford Escape due to value. What other reasons should I be interested?
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Both vehicles are good so you won't likely go wrong. VUE has polymer side panels, is a slightly newer design and of course you get Saturn service which is top notch. On the down side, it is a new vehicle so there may be some teething problems.

    Let us know your thoughts after the test.
  • onelucky7onelucky7 Member Posts: 121
    Interestingly enough, I tested the Vue and Escape as well as the Liberty, Tribute (same as Escape), CRV, and some larger models (to decide if I wanted a larger SUV. I decided gas was too much).

    My thoughts during the process . . . The Escape/Tribute have VERY UNCOMFORTABLE front seats and the inside door handles felt like they would break if you tugged a little too hard on them. I just didn't find them as comfortable as the V-6 Vue. However, the 4 cylinder Vue seats were not as comfortable as the 6 cylinder ones are. (The foam and fabric is upgraded in the 6) I liked the price better on the Escape/Tribute but just couldn't live with the comfort level. Additionally, I had some bad experiences with the local dealer on another Ford so I was a little gun-shy there too.

    I also strogly considered the Jeep Liberty. She's definitely a looker. However, they made the mistake of letting me take the Liberty home overnight and once I rode for awhile in it, I was not too happy with the "choppiness" of the ride. I felt like I was riding a horse on a dusty trail. The Liberty definitely has good looks and the inside is well-appointed but it is small and the tire on the back blocks your line of vision a little but mostly, it is just not as comfortable a ride as I found the Vue. (The Vue has four wheel independent suspension. The Liberty has 2 wheel independent suspension. The other wheels are stiff for better off-roading.) If you are not riding the Rubicon daily, you may want to avoid the Liberty. It is a fun vehicle though and can go almost anywhere. The Vue cannot and was not designed to.

    The Vue had a little of everything I was looking for. I wanted something that looked sharp, had good space, good gas mileage and could handle light off-roading and at least enough towing capacity to handle a small boat. I also wanted to deal with Saturn because as I was trading in a Saturn SL-1, I knew that their customer relations AFTER the sale were superb. So I knew they would take care of any problems that may come up with the Vue being a first year model. Because of my prior experience with Saturn, the customer service element threw me over the top and I bought one of the first Vues delivered, an Orange v-6, automatic and I have been pleased. I know the V-6 are on the high side in price but IN JUST MY OPINION, I would not want a 4 cylinder. I wanted a little more power (for towing and just toughness) so it was worth the extra cost.

    Honestly though, there are some sites on the internet that have objective reviews about the Vue and Escape. Read some of those (epinions, saturnalia, edmunds, car and driver, consumer reports, motor trend, JD powers etc...

    Good luck with your decision. Let us know what you think.
  • dirkdaddydirkdaddy Member Posts: 313
    I don't own a SUV but rented a Rav4 for a ski trip to BC Canada for a week and drove in some limited snow. The RAV4 performed very very well I must say, only downer was the pathetic powerplant. The front wheels would never even get spinning, the AWD would just connect all the wheels if there was a hint of wheel spin. Well, I did get them all spinning in a parking lot doing some crazy driving and doing donuts, but you can punch it coming out on a snowy or even icy street and it just goes, even around tight corners. I'm not sure of the type of 4x4 but it sounds like it works a little better than the Vue reactive system in terms of seamless power application. Of course if it had more HP and Torque, we might have a different story.

    The RAV did have an annoying middle of the top dash squeek, the cargo area is very small, but the thing was tight and handled very well, even on snow covered switchback type roads. The ABS seemed very well tuned so it didn't kick in too early like a Explorer I rented in Alaska a few years ago. You could "toss" the thing around and it had good road feel in the steering.

    The driver's seat had height adjustment, which is good as I'm tall in the abdomen and needed it bottomed out.

    I liked it more than I thought I would, but the lack of power would make me consider a VUE or other SUV before getting the Rav. The motor was too much like a sewing machine for me. Going up a hill was either with OD off and motor screaming at 3500-4000 rpm, or you're going sedately up the road at about 70kph or less.

    The gas tank seemed to also need to be filled slowly or it would shut off the filler - very annoying when its -15c outside! I'm not sure of the fuel milage as this wasn't a concern on vacation (I was more concerned about the snow at the resort and what beer they served).

    Just thought I'd post my experiences for y'all. Back in warm Houston now.

    DD
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    I have heard not great things about the RAV which is surprising as Toyota vehicles are usually pretty good and this is a fairly new design. A Canadian car magazine recently had a long term wrap up on the truck and didn't have much good to say either.
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