I picked up my V6 AWD Black/Silver Vue last Friday night. I love it! I was well worth the wait. I have not encountered any of the problems you have mentioned yet. Good sign? I will still keep watching the board to see what everyone has to say.
I don't look at a brand, I look at a vehicle. Rendezvous is a good value for a near luxury SUV type vehicle. I'm 33 and I would definitely consider it. That said, most Buicks are not all that appealing. As the owners of 2 Oldsmobiles I can honestly say there is nothing Old about them.
Generally though, I like the VUE better for our next vehicle.
I hate to burst Trib owner's bubble. But that Trib doesn't EVEN compare to the Vue in quality or service or customer satisfaction. First year out, they had to recall about half of the Trib?Escapes (same thing) for fixes to major safety issues.
I drove the Trib and the suspension feels like you are riding on boulders. The parts inside are VERY cheap. The inside door handle feels like it will break off in your hand if you pull it too hard! ANd check your gas mileage . . . The Vue owner will be passing you at the gas station alot. You also may want to check the specs side by side. I hate to tell you but Saturn Vue has the Trib beat in comfort, suspension, 0-60, cornering, gas mileage AND CUSTOMER SATISFACTION!!
PLEASE!!! Take that Trib stuff back to the Mazda board. It won't fly here, my friend.
If there had been that kind of price difference for me, I would have ordered a Vue. As I have said before I work in a G.M shipping yard and have driven everything G.M has made or marketed for the last 18 years. In the eighties G.M took the Cavalier ( a decent econo car) and dressed it up with all kinds of options, they called it the Cadillac Cimmaron. It was a joke. It cost twice the price of the Cavalier, and bottom line that was just what it was a Cavalier. So when I see a econo ( that is not a derogatory word) car overloaded, to make it more Cadillacish, it always makes me laugh, and wonder why you just don't buy what you are trying to emulate in the first place. P. S This old man is 38 have two kids, two dogs, and I like to be comfortable, when I want to be sporty, I take the family out in my 1967 Rally Sport Camaro, and afterwards when back to the day to day grind. I like my [non-permissible content removed] to be pampered , and my back to be comfy. The Vue is a great econo SUV, but trying to make it into something it's not, well ....
If you are going to sling insults you should at least pay attention. Onelucky7 has a V6, she doesn't have the 4 cyllinder that's quieter and more powerful than the one that's in the Tribute.
What sold you on your Tribute? Was it the zoom zoom commercials?
To be honest, the one problem I have with the Vue are the cheap seats they use. I think the ride of the vehicle itself is really good, but after about 20 minutes, I found myself moving around trying to find a comfortable position in those non-functional seats.
My wife also suggested this, and I have no problem going and spending an extra $1000 or more for a pair of aftermarket comfy buckets to make the ride more enjoyable. I don't consider that 'overdressing' the vehicle into something its not, at all.
And, considering the $2650 savings that the Sport pkg is offering, you are still coming out ahead on it.
Honestly, the trib owner is really making a case for how much better the Vue is than the Trib/Escape. First of all, as an earlier poster said, the Ecotech is set to be quieter and thanks GM Lito for payng attention to the fact that I have the V-6, NOT A 4 CYLINDER.
Secondly, to say that the Vue has a "bland interior" is vague and subjective. So I will just be specific and subjective. The interior on the Tribute is VERY cheap. Again don't pull that door handle too hard when you try to open the door. It might break off in your hand. Both the Tribute AND Vue are not spectacularly great interiors. But the little cubbies everywhere in the Vue and the front and rear cupholders as well as the folding front passenger seat for longer items gives the Vue the edge.
As to the seat comfort, I understand that some taller folks have had issue. But honestly, to the typical consumer, the seats in the Vue are extraordinarily comfortable. It was one of the main selling points to me. Now I should be cautious with the "seat critic" as he may have tried those in the 4 cylinder. They are not as comfortable as the 6 cylinder. There's a reason for that. They aren't the same seats! The 6 cylinder is the upgraded model and has better cushioning and velour which the 4 does not have.
I am wondering if our Vue critic, Jeff, is comparing the 4 cylinder Vue to what he bought. If he went in and tested the stripped 4, no wonder he finds it econo.
Jeff, honestly, every person who has ridden in my Vue (a six with some options) has said they see it as a mid to upscale small SUV. Now I don't think the Buick Rendezvous is a good comparison for the Vue and I don't think they are set up to appeal to the same folks. The Rendezvous is designed for older folks as most Buicks are. It is also designed for families as the "minivan look" to it screams out. I have yet to hear of a young single lad or lass buying a Rendezvous. However the Vues, Escapes and Tributes of the world were designed to be crossover vehicles and to appeal a more wide variety of folks. My personal opinion of the Rendezvous is that I find it repulsively "minvan-cookiecutter-like". I am so tired of seeing vehicles that are mini-vans or made to look like sporty mini-vans. (the rendezvous). But I guess there is a market for them. But when this buyer has a family, you won't see me in one of these "Mommy-mobiles". I rather prefer sportiness AND comfort. I get that from the Vue and I only need one vehicle!
I'm glad you are enjoying your rendezvous but I don't think you are going to sell many on the Vue board as most people are here to discuss their Vues or potential Vues. (thus the name of the board).
I am in over my head, and didn't mean to knock your vehicle of choice. A couple of things, I have driven no less than 50 Saturn Vues ( most for a mile or less) and have felt no discernable difference in the seats in a 4 or 6 cylinder, at least in the Canadian models. As far as i can see, or my [non-permissible content removed] can feel, there is no difference in the seats. Also as I type I have the Saturn literature in front of me, they make no mention, of upgraded seats in a 6, and they do mention it has a overhead light in the cabin, so I think if the seats were upgraded, they would be mentioning it.
All the best. Glad you guys like your Saturns, they help put dinner on my table and gas in my Rendezvous ( sorry couldn't resist )
Jeff, they are upgraded. You can look at the two and tell the difference so I don't know why you can't see it. But call Saturn and ask if you don't buy into it. I noticed the difference and finally asked. They (SATURN) said it IS different.
Apparently, YOUR [non-permissible content removed] can't tell. But mine certainly could and others here have said the same.
Why did I even bother mentioning it to begin with.
The seats are the same. Its only the FABRIC covering the seats that are different. The 4 cyls have a cheaper thin cloth covering, and the 6cyl has a thicker cheap cloth. Both are uncomfortable on extended drives (compared to my LHS anyway).
lucky7 - I just don't see the justification of the extra $7000 for the 6cyl (16995 vs 23995), for just 38 more hp, an awd system that you really use maybe a few times a year, foglights, and different wheels (still 16" though). Otherwise they are both the same - same sunroof, same power W/D/L, same keyfob, same upgraded stereo, same cruise, same auto dimming mirror, same reclining rear seats, etc.
Also, I haven't checked the numbers, but I would bet that the 4cyl fwd stick would keep up, if not beat a awd auto 6cyl in 0-60.
Why do you seem to demean the fwd model like its a piece of crap ("stripped" as you say) when its basically the same vehicle?
I plan to have the keys to a new vehicle in my hands as my Christmas gift to myself. For over a year now I have been eagerly anticipating the arrival of the VUE and Vibe.
Early contenders included the Escape and Liberty but Im not really a Ford guy and have always owned Chevys. The Liberty despite its cute looks and beautiful interior lacks many other things that are included in the VUE.
So now its down to the VUE and Vibe. Man the Vibe would definitely work for me. Its counterpart the Matrix is just ugly. However, Im starting to feel that maybe the Vibe was not meant for 31yo Generation Xers like me.
This is where the VUE shines. I love its styling, its conservative looks and everything else about it. But I must admit that I hate that Saturn is catering to the mini-van driving, soccer mom demographic when that market is full of competition.
Is any auto company gonna ever stand head to head with Jeep? You think theyd want to cater to the single guys and girls out there that still want a V6 engine with a manual transmission! But no, the demographic that they are targeting (which already has many options to choose from) is not interested in a manual transmission.
This is my most major gripe with what Saturn has made of the VUE. Its as if single folks mean nothing to auto makers.
Well, regardless of all of this, the VUE is at the top of my list. Do any other single guys are girls out there fell the way I do?
Being single and a "babyboomer" , I felt the VUE is targeted to 20-30 yr old age group,...I have considered the CR-V, Jeep Liberty, and Mazda Tribute and keep coming back to the VUE (this will be my third Saturn).....I probably will be purchasing a 2003 VUE in August, if they have leather seats.
I purchased a 4 cyl. manual VUE and take offence to those of you calling in stripped and econo. I added the power package, sunroof and 6 disk changer and it still cost $7000 cdn. less than the V6 AWD would have cost. It is basically the same vehicle (same seats, different material - but that is okay with me because I personally don't like velour anyway). A V6 would have been nice if they offered it in a stick but to be honest, when I test drove the 4 cyl. standard right after the V6 auto, I felt like I had a lot more pick up & kick on the highway with the standard. I don't need AWD where I live and prefer to drive stick - other than those two components (and don't forget the velour) my VUE is exactly the same as yours. In my situation, not being able to justify the additional $7000 for stuff I don't need doesn't qualify as ECONO or Stripped - it was simply a savings of $7000 that I didn't need to spend.
I have never had a car with an automatic and understand your feelings. I think the problem was more an overall GM thing here than Saturn limiting its horizon. GM does not have a manual for the V6 currently in the VUE.
I do not know whether GM plans to use the new V6 that will find its way into the CTS later this year in the VUE as well. If it does, perhaps there will be a limited edition 6 Cyl. manual VUE.
My L has the 2.2 and the manual. I will second the others who say that the engine provides plenty of pep. The VUE is a few hundred pounds more than my L. But the 2.2 in the VUE has more hp. The Saturn rep let me open up the VUE a little when I test drove it. I think you might like it if you tried it.
I have driven a 2.2L VUE and it is very peppy with the Ecotec. The Ecotec in our Alero has 3 HP less than the VUE and it's even better due to the lighter body.
This is far and away the best 4 banger GM has ever made and one of the best on the market IMO. No one should discount a VUE because it's a 4 cyl model. The Ecotec pulls it just fine.
I totally agree on the 4 cyl. manual ... it is quite peppy and definately not underpowered. I was on the highway this past weekend and at one point looked down and I was going 140 km/hr. - oops. I live in a suburb of Toronto and have to get on a highway to go nearly anywhere. With traffic as heavy as it is, you need to have some guts to get in and out. I previously had a 94 sunbird convertible with V6 manual so I was concerned about the 4 cyl. in the VUE until I drove it. Needless to say, not concerned afterwards as I bought it.
Hot Rod has a short article on the Eco-tech motor. They say that GM is VERY proud of the motor and that they are gunning to have it be the small-block chevy of 4cyl motors. The article indicates all the things they have done to make it easier to hop-up. The injectors fit into the head, not the manifold. They have places for nitrous oxide injectors (short power booster gas) already on the intake manifold. The accessories don't use brackets to bolt to the block. The way the crank and pistons are designed. The exhaust manifold gaskets seating areas are large for a good sealing surface. I can't remember all the stuff, but it was designed for hot rodding. They (GM) are getting 5hp per cubic inch out of a blown version, which if you're not familiar, is outrageous!
I would get the 4cyl/manual, and then do some slight modifications for a light, efficient vehicle.
I actually saw a news story on "import" drag racing where Chevy is showing up with Ecotec powered Cavaliers. Not showing off the Cavaliers, just the Ecotecs which they are telling the crowd will go into next generation Saturn IONs and Cavaliers.
Hey did anyone see Survivor last night? They gave away a VUE that looked identical to mine. Poor sap that won it - if it took 10 weeks to get mine from Tenessee to Toronto, can you imagine how long it will take him to get his from over there!
Hello, I just picked up my new Vue last night and on the drive home (80+ miles) I noticed a vibration or subtle shudder in the seat back, steering wheel and pretty much the whole vehicle as soon as I reach 40 MPH. Can't tell if it goes away at higher speeds, though it feels like it might. Anyone else experienced this?? I am thinking maybe wheel balancing, but past experience tells me that usually comes into play at higher speeds (55+). Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!!
I've been reading the Vue messages for several months and want to thank everyone for all the useful information.
I've had the 4-cylinder, manual transmission, sports package vue for about a month and have been very pleased with it. The ride is smooth, the engine has enough power for me, there's lots of space, and the gas mileage has been a nice surprise, running 27 to 29 mpg in gentle driving during the engine break-in (I commute around 25 miles each way on back roads in the DC area).
Problems I've had with the car have been pretty minor except for the steering squeak/groan during slow turns. The dealer fixed that problem by lubricating the front struts. Hopefully, that cured the problem but I guess I'll see if it comes back.
I did have trouble with the sun visors which would rotate and then stop in a vertical position that blocked my vue (sorry, I couldn't resist) of the road. Saturn revised the sun-visor clips sometime in early April and the dealer ordered and installed the new clips solving the problem. Anyone who has a Vue that was built before early April might want to check their sun-visors to make sure that this isn't a problem for them.
I bought a Vue in April. It's the 4 cylinder with the 5 speed sports package. My wife & I really like it but when I put it in reverse I get this weird clunking noise in front on the passenger side. I've asked my dealer about it & he said he wasn't aware of any problems with it, & it could be a factory flaw. It is somewhat annoying. I wonder if it is the strut problem, & has anyone else had this problem?
Based on other posts, the noisy strut problem only seems to occur when turning the steering wheel, particularly during slow turns, so that may not be the source of your clunking.
I've found that when engaging reverse, I need to slip the clutch a little more than with my VW or else the engine/transmission starts to vibrate like I'm lugging the engine. I seem to remember another post that made a similar comment. I wonder if you might need to slip the clutch a little more when backing up?
obervue- My vue is pretty smooth up to 75mph so you should have your dealer take a look. My dealer here has been pretty helpful and responsive in taking care of my concerns.
I drive by 2 different Saturn dealerships on my way to work every day. I have visited them both regularly in the past few months to see what their inventory was like.
The observation I have seen from each is that they are presold on every FWD 4 Sport package that comes in, meaning that they only have 1 each as a demo available to be looked at, and that one is usually on an extended test drive.
On the other hand, the same AWD 6's are sitting on the lot day after day and not moving at all (about 12 at each location). This is in the Minneapolis/St.Paul region. Are other areas experiencing the same situations?
I took delivery of my Vue 2 weeks ago and do love it! However there are some similar problems I am experiencing at the time.
First is the noise in the steering column but only when I turn left (?) at slow speeds. I also have noticed the slight noise, mentioned on other posts, in the left rear strut area.
Finally the paint quality was not what I should have expected. I found three fair size pieces of dirt in the paint. 1 on the lift gate, one on the left front fender by the drivers door and a fiber or mar in the paint by the fuel door. Anyway these don't really bother me as most people likely wouldn't notice them.
I have approx 3000 km (1900 miles) on the vehicle now, and have been averaging around 10 L/100 km (29 MPG) with the 4 cyl stick. I expect the efficiency to improve over time as the engine gets broken in and I stop driving it so fast (130 Canadian - 75 American) on the highway.
My wife and I love the amount of cargo space in it. It makes packing our small son and dog up for the weekend a much more enjoyable experience than previously.
The local dealer had 3 V6 models sitting out and 0 5-speed 4 cyl models. I think they should make a 2WD V6 model. It would probably sell very well. Once you load up a V6 AWD, they get a bit pricey.
Thanks to (mjh 2002) for our helpful comments. I have taken it back to the dealer to look at it. My wife also says it's the way I back up, because It doesn't do it when she drives it & she grew up driving a stick. I guess, I may need a lesson or two. This is to( gigs-vue) I have a 4 cylinder stick & have just taken a trip to Texas and we only averaged about (24mpg), our average speed was between 75 to 80 mph. What octane of gas do you use? Our vue has about 5000 miles and going strong on it.
This is to (joelis) We have had the same problem here in Kansas with a Kansas City dealership. I Wanted to drive the 4 cylinder stick before we bought one and we felt like we were getting the run-a-round for 2 months, then I called a few more dealerships and they said they were only allotted so many. We found a dealer in the Wichita area that actually said he would order us one and arrange for a test drive. We ended up with the 4 FWD 4 cylinder sport package.
I finally fell in love with my Vue this weekend. I've had it for 30 days now. It's been in the shop three times for minor crap (ac leaks, squeaky struts) and I was about to exercise my thirty day return privledge. My dealer paid for a rental the second and third time it had to go in overnight. I ended up with a Ford Escape. Let's see, 3 liter engine, fwd, upgraded LX type package. Better interior use of space, LOTS of console and storage space. Moves better, a little zippier. Checked out the specs on the Ford. Their 3 liter makes 200 HP, the Vue only makes 181, hummm. On the highway it jumps up to 85 without even trying, a little road float if you know what I mean. You can tell you are exceeding the local speed limit by the way she feels. Of course the interior of the Ford feels cheaper, no sun roof. Stereo has got too damn many buttons, how the hell do you fold down the rear seat, oh yeah, pull on this fabric cord (what's that all about). Hey it's raining, cool I can check out the handling. Damn, this thing spins it's wheels without even trying, kind of scary powering around corners at speed. Oh well, Saturn agreed to extend my test drive, lets give the Vue one more shot. Hey, they fixed the AC leak, cool. Damn, it's raining buckets, no sun roof today. Guess what, no wheel spin. Not even if I try. I can't MAKE the wheels break loose, this thing feels like it's on tracks, COOL! Back out on the interstate, cruising along, check the speedo, DAMN 90 MPH without realizing it. Let's go for it, 103 MPH, no difference in the handling, no float, just rock steady. Oopps, sorry officer, nope, didn't realize, so sorry, never agin, you betcha.
That last part, with Officer Notso didn't really happen, but this baby TRACKS. ABS brakes work well too. I could not break this beast loose from her death grip on the road. And she feels so much more substantial than the Ford. Now if there was just a little more storage space in the console and if i could squeeze another 20 HP out of the engine she'd be perfect.
She's a keeper. I'm happy. Will that throttle body upgrade work on my engine?
Just bought a new VUE (Wednesday) with Sports Package - can't beat the price - GMO $15K + Tax and License. Bought this car for my son who will be turning 16 in August. On Thursday I decided to drive it to work to see how it does. No Problem. Drove to another building - AC didn't seem to work, steering very hard (felt like no assist) when parking. Drove to a third building - air bag light came on. Would not start - acted like a loose battery cable. Called roadside assistance - had to wait 1 hour in Tucson (100 deg). Tow truck gave me a jump and I decided to drive to Saturn. Bad decision. Car died about 3 miles later. Called roadside assistance again. Another hour goes by. Finally got the car to the dealership (3.5 hours later) and they say its the alternator. Got the car back on Saturday. Seems to work fine. Now for my comments:
(a) Roadside assistance menu system takes too much time - operators very nice though. (b) If the alternator is going bad there should be some warning light or guage to indicate this. (c) I am concerned with an electrical problem happening on this car with my son or any new young driver - they could panic if the steering assist failed while driving. (d) Assuming this failure trend doesn't continue, this should be a good safe car.
My car is a 2002 Bravada (AWD). I recall a previous post mentioning handling similar between the two. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Bravada is a much firmer better controller ride, significantly quieter, more acceleration, more comfortable seats, etc. However all this comes at a price - gas mileage worse, and cost higher (2 VUE's for the price of 1 Bravada).
Quickly, let me say to my 4 cyl. friends. . . I did not call all 4 cyl. stripped BUT there are stripped ones out there with nothing extra on them. COMPLETELY devoid of all but a radio and AC. All I said is that maybe the former poster had driven that stripped model. I happen to think that the 4 cyl. can work for some folks. I personally prefer the 6 myself.
To the 30 something single person, I definitely think that Saturn has marketed to the 30-something singles as well as families. Around here I see a lot of both in the Vue. I am personally in that same 30 something single class and I love my Vue WHEN IT'S WORKING!
Well guys, I'm starting to believe "we may have a problem, Houston" Two weeks ago, I told you all my story about the latest repairs on my Vue. Well, last Thursday, the front right axle BROKE. It just twisted right off. They have tried to figure out the cause but came up with zip. They said maybe there was a defect in the metal. When it broke, I was just pulling into an intersection after being at a complete stop. My question is . . . What if it had broken at 60 mph??? Would I be around to tell about it?
Well this seems to be the final straw for me. I am now seeking a replacement under the lemon law. It has been in the shop 17 times since I got it in January. I have no doubt that it is because it was one of the first off the assembly line because everyone after me seems to have relatively few if any problems. They have me in a rental (Suzuki Grand Vitari) right now. They are taking good care of me while they decide whether to give me a replacement. Hopefully, they will decide the replacement is the way to go or we "WILL have a problem, Houston!!"
I'll keep y'all abreast. By the way, strangely enough, I still love the Vue. I just don't love this particular one so much any more!
I can honestly say that the VUE has worked out very well for us here in the north land. We have only put a couple of hundred miles on freeway type of road conditions, and many on two lane winding roads. If there is really a complaint to be mentioned it would be that it rattles just like our 8 year old Suburban when the roads are rutted or gravel. When you live in Alaska long enough you are usually just grateful that the roads are passable. The VUE (AWD V-6) really worked out well in our advirse winter driving conditions, although next winter I think that I'll run on studded tires. Last week my wife took a road trip of about 600 miles fully loaded with four women and lots of crap, they got 24 mpg which we were pleased with. All of her buddies really liked the ride and complimented the VUE. My 19 year old son hates the VUE claiming that it's too much like a mini van.
I now have 1500 km on my new VUE and am also experiencing a weird clunking noise when I put it in reverse. I think it is only when turning in reverse (will have to watch that). I also have been driving stick for a number of years so I don't think it is just the way I drive. Others with this problem - please keep us posted if you find out what it is.
Other than that, I am completely happy with my VUE. We took it to the drive-in this weekend and found that it was just great for this purpose - parked backwards, put the seats down, tailgate up and bundled with blankets in the back to watch the movies. I started it after each movie to ensure the battery was okay from running the radio and heat - it started like a charm. There were several vehicles around us scrambling for jumper cables so I really liked my VUE at that moment!
Sorry to hear of your mishap... but also intrigued.
I had a broken CV joint which was attributed to a tech mis-seating it after fixing the strut thing... but your report makes me wonder... In my case, they replaced the entire front axle assembly and all 4 CV joings. Please post back with the results when they diagnose yours...
BTW, SEVENTEEN VISITS?!? And I thought my 5 was bad! What were the problems other than the AC leak and the sensor? Just for information...
Thats not even funny. The lemon law should have kicked in by now for you.
Speaking of returns, has anyone actually successfully USED the 30 day 1000 mile return policy on one of these yet? Or is that just some sales hype bs that you can't actually get accomplished anyway.
I tried out my sun visors last night - WHAT A JOKE! My VUE wasn't built until mid-April and yet when I rotate them to block the sun from the side, I can't see anything to the left of my nose on the driver's side. Good thing they swivel but they are absolutely useless except in the standard position.
The sun visor does not go up all of the way. This is when it is in the regular position. I think it needs an adjustment. I will have them check it tomorrow. The dealer will be putting my child restraint straps in tomorrow. It seems GM wanted to save money so they discontinued them. I made my dealer aware I considered it safety and wanted them. They were very understanding and will be installing them. When I went to the dealer last week they told me they are aware of the Rumbling when backing up. The said they will probably come up with a solution in the future to repair the problem. I think it is the CV, which can cause a great deal of harm. I drove a brand new one and it did the same thing. My truck does not do it all of the time. It seems if I rev it higher while riding the clutch it is okay. This also will cause harm to the clutch. My wife's Volkswagon. does the same thing. It is very annoying for a brand new car. Again I am like everyone else, I love my Vue. It is great on the highway and gets much better mileage than alot of other suvs.
Marcopolo - what exactly do these child restraints look like and where are they (or where are they supposed to be)? I am not sure if mine has them or not. Thanks
After 2 months of researching, my wife and I bought a AWD V6 with ABS last week. It came down to a choice between a V6 Tribute, a V6 VUE and a CR-V. We tested all three on the same day and bought a VUE a few days later. The sales experience was excellent and I'd like to thank the people in this forum which helped with the decision.
So far, we love the truck. It gets a lot of compliments and it's our first "American" brand ever. We traded in our 1994 Civic which was getting small, especially since we are planning a family for next year.
Saturn changed the sun-visor clips in early April. My dealer ordered and installed the new clips and that pretty much solved the problem of the visors not rotating forward far enough. More recently built Vues have the new clips.
Just got 29.5 mpg on my last tank (357 miles of commuting). The Vue is running great although it's developed a slight rattle in the rear passenger door. Also, I brought the Vue out into the sun after having it in our garage and heard some clicking noises that sounded like the plastic panels rubbing against their supports as they expanded from the sun's heat. Does anyone know if this is something that all Saturns do?
Mine was clicking when they replaced the right front outer CV joint. It clicks more when you are turning.
I listed the other problems in an earlier post.
By the way, they told me no guys. They told me it does not meet lemon law guidelines! They offered me a bumper-to-bumper 60,000 mile/5 year warranty. Otherwise Virginia Lemon Laws require three repairs to the same item or more than 30 days in the shop in the first eighteen months. Each repair has been individual and it has been in the shop 22 days now!
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Generally though, I like the VUE better for our next vehicle.
I drove the Trib and the suspension feels like you are riding on boulders. The parts inside are VERY cheap. The inside door handle feels like it will break off in your hand if you pull it too hard! ANd check your gas mileage . . . The Vue owner will be passing you at the gas station alot. You also may want to check the specs side by side. I hate to tell you but Saturn Vue has the Trib beat in comfort, suspension, 0-60, cornering, gas mileage AND CUSTOMER SATISFACTION!!
PLEASE!!! Take that Trib stuff back to the Mazda board. It won't fly here, my friend.
Anyone got any Vue news?
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As I have said before I work in a G.M shipping yard and have driven everything G.M has made or marketed for the last 18 years.
In the eighties G.M took the Cavalier ( a decent econo car) and dressed it up with all kinds of options, they called it the Cadillac Cimmaron. It was a joke. It cost twice the price of the Cavalier, and bottom line that was just what it was a Cavalier.
So when I see a econo ( that is not a derogatory word) car overloaded, to make it more Cadillacish, it always makes me laugh, and wonder why you just don't buy what you are trying to emulate in the first place.
P. S This old man is 38 have two kids, two dogs, and I like to be comfortable, when I want to be sporty, I take the family out in my 1967 Rally Sport Camaro, and afterwards when back to the day to day grind. I like my [non-permissible content removed] to be pampered , and my back to be comfy.
The Vue is a great econo SUV, but trying to make it into something it's not, well ....
Jeff ( i will shut up now )
Is there a reason for your posts?
What sold you on your Tribute? Was it the zoom zoom commercials?
My wife also suggested this, and I have no problem going and spending an extra $1000 or more for a pair of aftermarket comfy buckets to make the ride more enjoyable. I don't consider that 'overdressing' the vehicle into something its not, at all.
And, considering the $2650 savings that the Sport pkg is offering, you are still coming out ahead on it.
Secondly, to say that the Vue has a "bland interior" is vague and subjective. So I will just be specific and subjective. The interior on the Tribute is VERY cheap. Again don't pull that door handle too hard when you try to open the door. It might break off in your hand. Both the Tribute AND Vue are not spectacularly great interiors. But the little cubbies everywhere in the Vue and the front and rear cupholders as well as the folding front passenger seat for longer items gives the Vue the edge.
As to the seat comfort, I understand that some taller folks have had issue. But honestly, to the typical consumer, the seats in the Vue are extraordinarily comfortable. It was one of the main selling points to me. Now I should be cautious with the "seat critic" as he may have tried those in the 4 cylinder. They are not as comfortable as the 6 cylinder. There's a reason for that. They aren't the same seats! The 6 cylinder is the upgraded model and has better cushioning and velour which the 4 does not have.
I am wondering if our Vue critic, Jeff, is comparing the 4 cylinder Vue to what he bought. If he went in and tested the stripped 4, no wonder he finds it econo.
Jeff, honestly, every person who has ridden in my Vue (a six with some options) has said they see it as a mid to upscale small SUV. Now I don't think the Buick Rendezvous is a good comparison for the Vue and I don't think they are set up to appeal to the same folks. The Rendezvous is designed for older folks as most Buicks are. It is also designed for families as the "minivan look" to it screams out. I have yet to hear of a young single lad or lass buying a Rendezvous. However the Vues, Escapes and Tributes of the world were designed to be crossover vehicles and to appeal a more wide variety of folks. My personal opinion of the Rendezvous is that I find it repulsively "minvan-cookiecutter-like". I am so tired of seeing vehicles that are mini-vans or made to look like sporty mini-vans. (the rendezvous). But I guess there is a market for them. But when this buyer has a family, you won't see me in one of these "Mommy-mobiles". I rather prefer sportiness AND comfort. I get that from the Vue and I only need one vehicle!
I'm glad you are enjoying your rendezvous but I don't think you are going to sell many on the Vue board as most people are here to discuss their Vues or potential Vues. (thus the name of the board).
A couple of things, I have driven no less than 50 Saturn Vues ( most for a mile or less)
and have felt no discernable difference in the seats in a 4 or 6 cylinder, at least in the Canadian models. As far as i can see, or my [non-permissible content removed] can feel, there is no difference in the seats.
Also as I type I have the Saturn literature in front of me, they make no mention, of upgraded seats in a 6, and they do mention it has a overhead light in the cabin, so I think if the seats were upgraded, they would be mentioning it.
All the best. Glad you guys like your Saturns, they help put dinner on my table
and gas in my Rendezvous ( sorry couldn't resist )
Jeff
Apparently, YOUR [non-permissible content removed] can't tell. But mine certainly could and others here have said the same.
Who is for real??
Get to the point.
Get past the look: VUE's exterior.
Look outside the interior. " The uncomfortable seats".
It is not what you drive but how you drive.
No one ever lost any money here.
There is a difference between the 4 and 6 seat. It is a minor difference.
The seats are the same. Its only the FABRIC covering the seats that are different. The 4 cyls have a cheaper thin cloth covering, and the 6cyl has a thicker cheap cloth. Both are uncomfortable on extended drives (compared to my LHS anyway).
lucky7 - I just don't see the justification of the extra $7000 for the 6cyl (16995 vs 23995), for just 38 more hp, an awd system that you really use maybe a few times a year, foglights, and different wheels (still 16" though). Otherwise they are both the same - same sunroof, same power W/D/L, same keyfob, same upgraded stereo, same cruise, same auto dimming mirror, same reclining rear seats, etc.
Also, I haven't checked the numbers, but I would bet that the 4cyl fwd stick would keep up, if not beat a awd auto 6cyl in 0-60.
Why do you seem to demean the fwd model like its a piece of crap ("stripped" as you say) when its basically the same vehicle?
Early contenders included the Escape and Liberty but Im not really a Ford guy and have always owned Chevys. The Liberty despite its cute looks and beautiful interior lacks many other things that are included in the VUE.
So now its down to the VUE and Vibe. Man the Vibe would definitely work for me. Its counterpart the Matrix is just ugly. However, Im starting to feel that maybe the Vibe was not meant for 31yo Generation Xers like me.
This is where the VUE shines. I love its styling, its conservative looks and everything else about it. But I must admit that I hate that Saturn is catering to the mini-van driving, soccer mom demographic when that market is full of competition.
Is any auto company gonna ever stand head to head with Jeep? You think theyd want to cater to the single guys and girls out there that still want a V6 engine with a manual transmission! But no, the demographic that they are targeting (which already has many options to choose from) is not interested in a manual transmission.
This is my most major gripe with what Saturn has made of the VUE. Its as if single folks mean nothing to auto makers.
Well, regardless of all of this, the VUE is at the top of my list. Do any other single guys are girls out there fell the way I do?
I don't need AWD where I live and prefer to drive stick - other than those two components (and don't forget the velour) my VUE is exactly the same as yours. In my situation, not being able to justify the additional $7000 for stuff I don't need doesn't qualify as ECONO or Stripped - it was simply a savings of $7000 that I didn't need to spend.
I do not know whether GM plans to use the new V6 that will find its way into the CTS later this year in the VUE as well. If it does, perhaps there will be a limited edition 6 Cyl. manual VUE.
My L has the 2.2 and the manual. I will second the others who say that the engine provides plenty of pep. The VUE is a few hundred pounds more than my L. But the 2.2 in the VUE has more hp. The Saturn rep let me open up the VUE a little when I test drove it. I think you might like it if you tried it.
This is far and away the best 4 banger GM has ever made and one of the best on the market IMO. No one should discount a VUE because it's a 4 cyl model. The Ecotec pulls it just fine.
Hot Rod has a short article on the Eco-tech motor. They say that GM is VERY proud of the motor and that they are gunning to have it be the small-block chevy of 4cyl motors. The article indicates all the things they have done to make it easier to hop-up. The injectors fit into the head, not the manifold. They have places for nitrous oxide injectors (short power booster gas) already on the intake manifold. The accessories don't use brackets to bolt to the block. The way the crank and pistons are designed. The exhaust manifold gaskets seating areas are large for a good sealing surface. I can't remember all the stuff, but it was designed for hot rodding. They (GM) are getting 5hp per cubic inch out of a blown version, which if you're not familiar, is outrageous!
I would get the 4cyl/manual, and then do some slight modifications for a light, efficient vehicle.
DD
Here is my dream list for a 2003 Vue:
-V6 manual
-4 disc brakes
-leather interior
-lift gate
-skid controln (like the CR-V)
-blue color
I am waiting for the summer to make up my mind between the Vue and the CR-V. I regret to say that the CR-V has an edge over the Vue.
for all the useful information.
I've had the 4-cylinder, manual transmission, sports package vue for about a month
and have been very pleased with it. The ride is smooth, the engine has enough power for me, there's lots of space, and the gas mileage has been a nice surprise, running 27 to 29 mpg in gentle driving during the engine break-in (I commute around 25 miles each way on back roads in the DC area).
Problems I've had with the car have been pretty minor except for the steering squeak/groan during slow turns. The dealer fixed that problem by lubricating the front struts. Hopefully, that cured the problem but I guess I'll see if it comes back.
I did have trouble with the sun visors which would rotate and then stop in a vertical position that blocked my vue (sorry, I couldn't resist) of the road. Saturn revised the sun-visor clips sometime in early April and the dealer ordered and installed the new clips solving the problem. Anyone who has a Vue that was built before early April might want to check their sun-visors to make sure that this isn't a problem for them.
the 5 speed sports package. My wife & I really like it but when I put it in reverse I get this weird clunking noise in front on the passenger side. I've asked my dealer about it & he said he wasn't aware of any problems with it, & it could be a factory flaw. It is somewhat annoying. I wonder if it is the strut problem, & has anyone else had this problem?
I've found that when engaging reverse, I need to slip the clutch a little more than with my VW or else the engine/transmission starts to vibrate like I'm lugging the engine. I seem to remember another post that made a similar comment. I wonder if you might need to slip the clutch a little more when backing up?
obervue- My vue is pretty smooth up to 75mph so you should have your dealer take a look. My dealer here has been pretty helpful and responsive in taking care of my concerns.
The observation I have seen from each is that they are presold on every FWD 4 Sport package that comes in, meaning that they only have 1 each as a demo available to be looked at, and that one is usually on an extended test drive.
On the other hand, the same AWD 6's are sitting on the lot day after day and not moving at all (about 12 at each location). This is in the Minneapolis/St.Paul region. Are other areas experiencing the same situations?
First is the noise in the steering column but only when I turn left (?) at slow speeds. I also have noticed the slight noise, mentioned on other posts, in the left rear strut area.
Finally the paint quality was not what I should have expected. I found three fair size pieces of dirt in the paint. 1 on the lift gate, one on the left front fender by the drivers door and a fiber or mar in the paint by the fuel door. Anyway these don't really bother me as most people likely wouldn't notice them.
I have approx 3000 km (1900 miles) on the vehicle now, and have been averaging around 10 L/100 km (29 MPG) with the 4 cyl stick. I expect the efficiency to improve over time as the engine gets broken in and I stop driving it so fast (130 Canadian - 75 American) on the highway.
My wife and I love the amount of cargo space in it. It makes packing our small son and dog up for the weekend a much more enjoyable experience than previously.
Gigs
gigs_vue : Congrats on the VUE.
I have taken it back to the dealer to look at it.
My wife also says it's the way I back up, because It doesn't do it when she drives it & she grew up driving a stick. I guess, I may need a lesson or two.
This is to( gigs-vue) I have a 4 cylinder stick &
have just taken a trip to Texas and we only averaged about (24mpg), our average speed was between 75 to 80 mph. What octane of gas do you use? Our vue has about 5000 miles and going strong on it.
This is to (joelis) We have had the same problem here in Kansas with a Kansas City dealership. I
Wanted to drive the 4 cylinder stick before we bought one and we felt like we were getting the
run-a-round for 2 months, then I called a few more dealerships and they said they were only allotted so many. We found a dealer in the Wichita area that actually said he would order us one and arrange for a test drive. We ended up with the 4 FWD 4 cylinder sport package.
WOW. Good deal!
That last part, with Officer Notso didn't really happen, but this baby TRACKS. ABS brakes work well too. I could not break this beast loose from her death grip on the road. And she feels so much more substantial than the Ford. Now if there was just a little more storage space in the console and if i could squeeze another 20 HP out of the engine she'd be perfect.
She's a keeper. I'm happy. Will that throttle body upgrade work on my engine?
(a) Roadside assistance menu system takes too much time - operators very nice though.
(b) If the alternator is going bad there should be some warning light or guage to indicate this.
(c) I am concerned with an electrical problem happening on this car with my son or any new young driver - they could panic if the steering assist failed while driving.
(d) Assuming this failure trend doesn't continue, this should be a good safe car.
My car is a 2002 Bravada (AWD). I recall a previous post mentioning handling similar between the two. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Bravada is a much firmer better controller ride, significantly quieter, more acceleration, more comfortable seats, etc. However all this comes at a price - gas mileage worse, and cost higher (2 VUE's for the price of 1 Bravada).
To the 30 something single person, I definitely think that Saturn has marketed to the 30-something singles as well as families. Around here I see a lot of both in the Vue. I am personally in that same 30 something single class and I love my Vue WHEN IT'S WORKING!
Well this seems to be the final straw for me. I am now seeking a replacement under the lemon law. It has been in the shop 17 times since I got it in January. I have no doubt that it is because it was one of the first off the assembly line because everyone after me seems to have relatively few if any problems. They have me in a rental (Suzuki Grand Vitari) right now. They are taking good care of me while they decide whether to give me a replacement. Hopefully, they will decide the replacement is the way to go or we "WILL have a problem, Houston!!"
I'll keep y'all abreast. By the way, strangely enough, I still love the Vue. I just don't love this particular one so much any more!
Other than that, I am completely happy with my VUE. We took it to the drive-in this weekend and found that it was just great for this purpose - parked backwards, put the seats down, tailgate up and bundled with blankets in the back to watch the movies. I started it after each movie to ensure the battery was okay from running the radio and heat - it started like a charm. There were several vehicles around us scrambling for jumper cables so I really liked my VUE at that moment!
The gas pedal position sensor and the broken CV joint/axle
I would get them to repair that because both of the above problems left me stranded.
I had a broken CV joint which was attributed to a tech mis-seating it after fixing the strut thing... but your report makes me wonder... In my case, they replaced the entire front axle assembly and all 4 CV joings. Please post back with the results when they diagnose yours...
BTW, SEVENTEEN VISITS?!? And I thought my 5 was bad! What were the problems other than the AC leak and the sensor? Just for information...
Keep us posted -- and good luck!
Speaking of returns, has anyone actually successfully USED the 30 day 1000 mile return policy on one of these yet? Or is that just some sales hype bs that you can't actually get accomplished anyway.
Did someone say they can change this?
Thanks
So far, we love the truck. It gets a lot of compliments and it's our first "American" brand ever. We traded in our 1994 Civic which was getting small, especially since we are planning a family for next year.
Just got 29.5 mpg on my last tank (357 miles of commuting). The Vue is running great although it's developed a slight rattle in the rear passenger door. Also, I brought the Vue out into the sun after having it in our garage and heard some clicking noises that sounded like the plastic panels rubbing against their supports as they expanded from the sun's heat. Does anyone know if this is something that all Saturns do?
I listed the other problems in an earlier post.
By the way, they told me no guys. They told me it does not meet lemon law guidelines! They offered me a bumper-to-bumper 60,000 mile/5 year warranty. Otherwise Virginia Lemon Laws require three repairs to the same item or more than 30 days in the shop in the first eighteen months. Each repair has been individual and it has been in the shop 22 days now!