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  • stuartboniastuartbonia Member Posts: 56
    I saw a Vue driving around Detroit today with manufacturers plates.

    I am not a Saturn fan but this is a very good looking vehicle. I don't know what the inside looks like but the outside is great. One would never know it was a Saturn from its design.

    From the reports in this group, it sounds like it may be priced a tad high.
  • cberescberes Member Posts: 24
    my god, Saturn finally pushed one out of the nest! Was beginning to think it was all a myth. We are impatiently awaiting a VUE-sighting here in LA-- thanks for the teaser!
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    I saw one at the Auto Show last March. It will be interesting to see the inside and what a production model really look like now. I suspect there will be reviews in next months auto magazines.
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  • afk_xafk_x Member Posts: 393
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  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Link worked for me.

    Did you have a chance to see a VUE yet? You mentioned you were going to get a preview.
  • ees1996ees1996 Member Posts: 31
    I saw several vue's on a transport going north on I-75 In cincinnati. Slick looking trucks.
  • wristshot19wristshot19 Member Posts: 10
    Does anybody know if GMO or GMS pricing will be available on these vehicles when they are released?
  • keninplacitaskeninplacitas Member Posts: 120
    Stopped by the dealer today and got the new brochure. If I ultimately select the VUE, I want the AWD4 w/ VTi.

    Here's my gripe: The marketing folks have decided to provide good looking wheels only on the V6 (even the optional wheels on the 4 are not stylish). The standard V6 package also includes the six speaker CD player stereo, and the power package which includes cruise control, power windows w/ one touch, power mirrors, power door locks, remote keyless entry, Saturn security system, and auto dimming mirrors w/ temperature / compass display.

    Well, my choice is the VUE AWD4 because of the good gas milage, because it doesn't force the automatic transmission on you, and because I like the VTi concept.

    Here's my request Saturn: Set a package price for a special limited AWD4 / VTi edition to include those items offered as standard on the V6 AWD line. The AWD4 with VTi will be coming out a little later anyhow so you have time to make this change. Turn it into an event.

    Hey, this is your opportunity to advertise your VTi as a special good thing rather than as a purchase to be penalized for. Think about that cadre of folks who are interested in the AWD4 / VTi package as an intelligent alternative, rather than as just a way to buy a cheap SUV. Hey, take the chance, provide the package, and while you're at it, include the ABS.
  • afk_xafk_x Member Posts: 393
    As standard wasn't smart IMO.

    I still must drive it before I draw any major conclusions for myself.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    afx_x : No ABS on the 4 cyl model?

    keninplacitas : Didn't realize brochures were available? Sounds like if you want a really hot looking VUE, you have to go V6. That does suck a bit, but it's really no different than many other cars/ trucks. I think I will still go for the 4 cyl, but I will wait and see next month.
  • keninplacitaskeninplacitas Member Posts: 120
    ABS is an option on both the AWD 4 cyl and AWD 6 cyl VUEs. The FWD 4 has an ABS with traction control package as it's ABS option.

    By the way, Saturn put together a pretty good brochure. For instance, it includes mileage estimates (EPA numbers not yet available). For the FWD 4 it's 23/28, for the AWD 4 VTi it's 21/26, and for the V6 auto it's 19/25. Those are good numbers.

    One other point, I'm personally not really an acronym kind of guy (okay, I know, the previous paragraph is full of 'em), so could someone please tell me what GMO and GMS pricing means (posted on #262?).
  • gsogymratgsogymrat Member Posts: 97
    Does anyone know if a FWD V6 is an option or do you have to go with AWD.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    GMO/GMS pricing is just GM employee and supplier pricing.

    Does the brochure have option pricing (especially the ABS package)? Seems stupid to make ABS an option. Almost everyone wants it these days. I will try and pop by the local Saturn dealer and see if they have any. I'm surprised you have a brochure as the web site does not have anything available.
  • keninplacitaskeninplacitas Member Posts: 120
    According to the Brochure, there's no FWD V6.

    Pricing wasn't mentioned in the brochure.

    The salesman said the brochures had just come in.
  • afk_xafk_x Member Posts: 393
    Its not a VUE brochure. Its a full line brochure with 6 pages dedicated to the SUV.

    The VUE is available for GMO/GMS pricing. Every retailer will decide individually if they want to do it or not.

    We won't initially but will after January or February.
  • keninplacitaskeninplacitas Member Posts: 120
    The Brochure I am holding here in my hands says VUE (next to a big black and white eyeball) on the front and has 31 pages dedicated to nothing but the Saturn VUE.

    Could you please tell me where I might get a copy of this full line brochure with the 6 SUV pages that you're referring to.
  • gsogymratgsogymrat Member Posts: 97
    what is GMO/GMS pricing?
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    GM supplier and employee discounts.
  • shellymeister2shellymeister2 Member Posts: 115
    Here on Long Island there was a local Auto Show at the Nassau Coliseum that ran from Thur thru Sun. Saturn apparently used the occasion to show 2 versions, both of which you could sit in. Since I am considering both the 2002 CRV and the Vue, I was very happy to get a chance to critique the new VUE.
    Here are my impressions: The Exterior is very handsome and well styled and proportioned. In the flesh it appears larger than the CRV and maybe even the Escape. The paint finish on the show cars was excellent, but that does not always translate in full production models. The 2 colors were silver and a dark Charcoal Grey. The Interior
    in some ways is a letdown. The basic look and styling is pretty good, but the quality of the materials, and the switchgear were pretty flimsy. There is a feeling of cheapness when you sit inside thayt was very disappointing. Granted, I know this is a vehicle that sells for around $20-25,000, but even taking that into account, the interior is a bit cheap. The rear seat is another fairly big disappointment. The rear seat leg room would have been very generous, if the rear seat cushion had not been mounted so low. I think I understand why GM engineers designed it this way, that is, to allow the rear seat to fold as flat as the floor behind it. However the price you pay for that feature is that an average Adult sitting back there is going to riding around with their knees up in the air, and only their tush being supported by the seat. In addition, the rear seat construction and materials used was quite flimsy. It didn't appear to me that the seat construction would hold up well over the long haul. On the positive side, the front seats were comfortable and high enough off the floor to be almost chair-like. Overall trunk space was pretty good, and the load floor was fairly low. Both models were equipped with a V6 and seemed pretty loaded. There was a sticker mounted on a pedestal in front of one, and I am embarrassed that I did not write down the price and details (I was in a bit of a rush) but I recall that it was in the mid $25,000 range.
    Overall impression: Nice vehicle, but not the knockout punch it needed to be. I will be seeing the new CRV this weekend, and I will report on the comparison, if anyone would like to know.
  • cayennered1cayennered1 Member Posts: 193
    I had a minimum of interest in the Vue until I saw a photo gallery today on Auto.com which showed an exquisite looking monochromatic (no ugly gray rubber on the front and rear) pale yellow Vue. Also shown in the gallery was a beautiful two-tone leather interior.

    I was frothing at the mouth after seeing these photos and immediately ordered a brochure.

    Well, I did some surfing tonight and came across show car prototype pictures which turned out to be a special Vue "Urban Expressions" model show car.

    Guess what? Pale Yellow monochromatic paint and two-tone leather. So much for my dream SUV.

    I have to tell you this vehicle is so far superior in looks to the production vehicle that it's sad. Why couldn't the stylists have gone with the monochorme paint. Is it really necessary to have gray cladding on the front and rear. And while I know this isn't a big ticket car, they could have at least offered a high style leather interior like the show cars as an option.

    It never ceases to amaze me how stylists and designers make errors involving things that are generally simple and easily altered. They just miss them completely.

    I've seen photos of the standard leather in the Vue and the interior is just not very attractive or to use another term, cheap.

    Those of you who can live with the production version I wish you the best.

    Personally, it's not for me.
  • keninplacitaskeninplacitas Member Posts: 120
    Wow! These last two guys really trashed the VUE. Does the inside really look THAT bad? Anyone else seen this thing? The pictures I've seen have it looking pretty good ... actually, great for a car that begins at less than $17,000.

    cayennered1 and shelleymeister2, any possibility of talking you into revealing what you currently drive? It would be interesting to know what you're using as a reference.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I don't think it's possible to tell flimsy plastic materials from high quality durable plastic in pictures.

    I've seen the VUE at this year's car show- it's rather large. If you want one for $17,000, you're getting stuck with the anemic 4 cylinder.

    Buying Japanese? You bet I am- the new CR-V is at the top of my list, with the V-6 Escape at a very close second.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    I saw the Vue in March at the Toronto auto show. Exterior is beautiful. Pictures of the interior definitely make the interior dash look a bit cheapish, but I must say that many other vehicles in this price range are no different. That said, Saturn could have put a few bucks into the interior and made it a little better I suppose.

    Toronto Sunday Sun had a review this weekend. The writer tested one down in North Carolina and absolutely loved it. I will reserve judgment, but given some of the features the Vue has (CVT, polymer panels, no exterior tire ect.) I may be able to over look a little cheapness in the dash.
  • keninplacitaskeninplacitas Member Posts: 120
    The 4 cylinder version of this SUV puts out 143 HP at 152 ft. lbs of torque. The curb weight of the AWD4 version is 3,340 lbs. That puts it within 7 horsepower of my Audi A4 Quatro at about the same curb weight.

    Now, no one ever referred to my Audi engine as an enemic 4 cylinder. They say the excellent Audi A4 1.8T performance comes from having a great match between the torque curve of the engine and the gear ratio settings of the transmission.

    So, extrapolating from there, it would seem that coupling this VUE 4 cylinder engine to a CVT transmission (designed to continuously match engine torque capability with optimum gear ratio) should result in decent 4 cylinder performance for this relatively light SUV. I won't be surprised if the VUE 4 with CVT turns out to be VUE of preference.

    Oh, for the record, Audi's new A4 is also coming out with a CVT transmission option. This should be a fun machine to drive with the new higher horsepower (170 HP) 4 cylinder 1.8T engine.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    In the Toronto Sun review the reviewer was not allowed to give a direct opinion yet, but he hinted that he thought the 4-banger was sufficient to pull the Vue through even the mountains. I can't remember the HP rating of the CR-V, but it's not a whole lot more.
  • nextmoonnextmoon Member Posts: 386
    Is the auto show still running by any chance?
  • shellymeister2shellymeister2 Member Posts: 115
    Sorry, the Auto Show ended Sunday evening........
    I don't believe I "trashed" the new VUE. I thought I had some positive and negative things to say about features (or the lack of them) I had observed. Don't be so sensitive.
    Some of the issues I raised may not deter many buyers from purchasing a VUE, but I know I would have to take a good long hard look at the competition, to see if they address these observations or not. I own a number of vehicles including a PT Cruiser and a Beetle. The fit & finish and interior materials on both FAR exceed the quality level on the new VUE. These are vehicles that retail for LESS than the VUE. So if Chrysler & Volkswagen can do it, why can't GM?
    A few years ago, I owned a CRV for less than a year. I thought it was an excellent small SUV, well built with good attention to detail, except for one glaring fault- no power. That is what ultimately led me to sell it so quickly- I couldn't deal with the lack of power. Even the previous generation CRV had used better interior materials than the new VUE. That is why I anxious to see the new CRV (and I will this weekend).
  • crj1crj1 Member Posts: 70
    Hi everyone....My wife works at GM world headquarters and she "we" have been driving a Saturn Vue for a couple days now to evaluate, she has it for 3 months and has to call in on it every week with any problems, likes, dislikes etc...Its a AWD V6, Gold exterior and pretty well loaded. So far its been a great vehicle, nice interior styling, good room, great power from the engine. I must say that it looks much better in person than in pictures and we have had all kinds of people ask us about it and say that it looks very nice and were surprised that it was a saturn.
    I drive a 2002 Bravada and there is not much difference in size between them which really surprised me, I think Saturn has a hit on there hands....I will keep you updated. By the way they gave us 50 brochures to give out to people that asked about the vehicle...
  • cayennered1cayennered1 Member Posts: 193
    I wasn't trashing the Vue, I was simply complaining that often decision makers at these companies have a tendancy to miss obvious opportunities to improve the appearance of a vehicle.

    The new Pontiac Vibe comes standard with gray body cladding, but they have made monochrome paint scheme an option on even the base model. The much maligned Atztec is dropping its atrocious cladding for a monchrome paint scheme this year. Sounds like GM is trying to correct its mistakes.

    As for the interior, I just like an upscale looking interior. Not that the Vue is awful its just not where I want my interior to be for my next car.

    I drive a V6 Mitubishi Galant with an aftermarket leather package which significantly upgraded a mediocre cloth seat trim. With the leather package and after market wheels the car went for around $21.500 which is certainly less than a V6 Vue.

    Again, I would say the mess Pontiac made of the Aztek exemplifies how GM has had trouble with styling and trim. Hopefully with Bob Lutz on board styling will not get the back seat it has in recent years at GM.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    It doesn't matter what the price is- if even Hyundai can manage to put decent quality materials in their low cost cars, the people at GM should start doing the same.

    It doesn't have to look like a Lexus or a Mercedes.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    cayennered1 : You can't really compare the price of your car with the price of a truck. It's well known that auto manufacturers mark up trucks much more than cars. If you are looking for a nice interior, you aren't likely to find it in an entry level small SUV. The Honda CR-V interior isn't that great either. Lots of cheapness.
  • bironbbironb Member Posts: 63
    While on the subject of the Vue interior, I personally dislike the door panels. For whatever reason, GM decided to stick on these ugly door handles/armrests and use cheap mesh cloth as door map pockets instead of having a nice one piece moulded armrest/map pocket door panels. Also the power window controls are located on the centre pod instead of on the door panels where they belong. Although I like the rest of the vehicle that in itself is enough to turn me off. I now plan on purchasing a Toyota Highlander, although it costs way more than the Vue, the Highlander interior exudes quality and seeing as one generally spends a lot of time inside the vehicle that’s important.
  • cayennered1cayennered1 Member Posts: 193
    I'm not sure that's true Dindak. I've sat in a Liberty Limited which goes for 23-25K and I was very impressed with the quality of the interior. Problem I have with that vehicle is that I think it will have too truck like a ride which is why I would prefer a crossover.

    Right now I'm waiting for the Mitsubishi Airtrek to arrive here. Built off a Lancer with nice styling and outstanding interiors. It's sized similarly to the Escape-Tribute.
  • mtngalmtngal Member Posts: 1,911
    I think it's funny that people for both this vehicle and the Liberty are complaining about the window controls being on the center console, rather than the doors. Mercedes has been doing that for a long time. Think of it this way - Saturn is just going along with the luxury trend!
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    bironb : Well if you are paying "way more" for a Highlander then one would think that money would pay for a nicer truck. You can't compare apples and oranges.

    cayennered1 : Very true, the Jeep Liberty does have a nice interior. The truck ride and poor gas mileage are the turn offs there. We are just looking for something that isn't a minivan and that isn't going to burn too much gas. VUE is in the top three for our choice.
  • cayennered1cayennered1 Member Posts: 193
    Have to agree about the door trim. In my opinion clearly the worst part of the interior. I can live with the dash styling and even the seat fabrics.

    But that door trim just screams cheap plastic.

    Also notice the classic Saturn steering wheel design is very offputting to me.
    The spokes are very thick making it difficult, if not impossible for anyone who likes to hold the wheel at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock to grip the wheel. Again it amazes me how designers often miss obvious ergonomic issues.

    I remember a Dodge Intrepid rental I had. The dash protruded at the door entrance so that everytime I got out of the car I banged my knee. I'm only a 6 footer so it wasn't me. Don't you think designers would think about this stuff. Also had a Grand Am rental in which I constantly scraped my finger on the cruise control swith on the wheel because of its poor placement. Actually turned in the car because it was cutting my finger to drive it.

    This should be a warning to everyone to thoroughly drive and examine a vehicle before you buy.
  • cayennered1cayennered1 Member Posts: 193
    Dindak:

    I agree that the Vue has definite benefits in the area of exterior size, styling, as well as car like ride and good gas mileage.

    These could well be enough tp make it your choice. Besides the CRV what else are you looking at? The Mitsubishi crossover won't be out until late next year I think, but if you can wait you might want to take a look at it.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    CR-V and Escape/Tribute seem to be the best choices. Mitsubishi doesn't sell cars in Canada yet so it's not even an option. RAV-4, Tracker/Vitara seem to small and the Kia seems to be unreliable as well as being too small. Since I don't have to decide until spring, Vue is a definite option for us, and it's my favorite based on looks alone.
  • crj1crj1 Member Posts: 70
    One more point I would like to add about driving the VUE, when you drive it you feel like you are in a car so much so that when I step out of it I can't help but try to stand up to get out instead of get down like in a tradional SUV. But it is just a perception because you do get down out of it, I don't feel this way driving my 2002 Bravada even though its not really much taller if any.
  • cayennered1cayennered1 Member Posts: 193
    Between those three choices I think I'd opt for the Vue as well. It's bigger, more stylish and plastic exterior panels can't hurt either.

    Tribute-Escape has had a prety bad reliability record (multiple recalls) and the CRV is a Honda which means little or no personality.

    Good luck in your choice and keep us posted on your decision.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Decision time is a ways off and who knows what may pop up before spring. I really like the Escape also and they seem to have ironed out most of the problems. Unfortunately I would have to get the V6 as my wife does not want a 5-speed. Saturn's CVT 4-banger sounds great and I am quite keen on the smoothness it would bring. New CR-V is a big improvement. I would like to see one in person when they come out.

    This new category of smaller mid-size SUVs really only has 2-3 players so choice is limited. The re-jigged 02 Aztek is priced ok, but I'm not sure I can live with the looks.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    You've seen pics?
  • cayennered1cayennered1 Member Posts: 193
    This month's Motor Trend has a picture of the 02 Aztek. Basically the styling is the same save the dropping of all the lower body cladding.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Cladding is all gone and the front is slightly restyled. It also comes standard with bigger wheels and aluminum rims. Price has dropped significantly which brings it right in line with these small SUVs. It's still not great looking, but it's a big improvement. If you can live with the looks, it's a good deal.

    I think auto.com has pictures also.
  • afk_xafk_x Member Posts: 393
    Not in the ride and drive - but in a used V6 Escape with 17,000 miles on it.

    I don't know if it was the moonroof or what, but this is one LOUD suv when you get over 60. The wind noise was incredible. On the other hand this was one quick sucker. I can tell why the autojournalists like it. I wouldn't own one personally if they are all that loud.

    *Moonroof was closed in case you think im stupid :P
  • afk_xafk_x Member Posts: 393
    Got in the new VUE brochure mentioned above. We are on the West coast so I would imagine they are avaliable everywhere now.

    Pretty slick looking piece actually. Much nicer than (looking) than any other brochure I have seen to date.

    Personally I don't think the brochure sells cars but this tells me GM is dead serious about making the VUE a sucess.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Local Saturn dealer told me to come on in and get a brochure, they are in here in Canada also. He also told me they expect the first shipment between December 10-12. I will pop by at lunch today to get the brochure.

    As for the Escape, the one I drove with a V6 had no sunroof. I thought the noise level was ok.
  • crj1crj1 Member Posts: 70
    Up here in Michigan last night we had some terrible weather, rain, wind, flooding the tempature went from 73 to 42 last night and I took the VUE out to go looking for some batteries for flashlights because the power went out. Anyways I drive it through about a foot of water and down a very muddy road with no problem, it has a very aggressive tread pattern on the tires which help in slippery conditions, also it was not affected to much by the wind.
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