2009 Subaru Forester

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,700
    One thing I noticed between the '07 and '08 Outbacks is that the hood on the '07 was a feather-weight. It was aluminum, as was the rear hatch, and you could certainly tell it when lifting. In fact, it felt so light as to be delicate. With the '08, the hood is heavy (and probably not aluminum any more). The rear hatch did not seem noticeably different from the '07.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, I remember reading about the skyrocketing aluminum prices and how there would be less in some Subarus. :(

    Still, a hood's gotta weight a bunch less than a hatch, with the heavy glass rear window, plus all that trim, even speakers in some cases.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,700
    Possibly - I know the hood on my '96 was not all that heavy when we removed it and placed it on top of the car when removing the engine. The '08s hood, though, feels FAR heavier than the '96. If the struts attach toward the back of the hood, as I would expect, there is quite a bit of mechanical leverage it must overcome. The gate does not suffer that same problem as the bulk of the weight is within about 18" of the struts' attachment points.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Depends on how they "tune" it, i.e. how much pressure they put in those.

    If you think about it, though, with a prop rod you have to lift the hood 100% manually.

    So it is even fair to expect the struts to lift the hood by itself? We don't have that now.

    All it really has to be able to do it hold the hood UP once it's been lifted. That's all the prop rod does.

    I'm sure they'll tune it to lift the hood as well, which will help with the Ooohs and Aaahs.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,700
    Oh, hmm.... I had not considered it, really. I was thinking in terms of holding it rather than lifting it. I like the old springs on my '69 Chevy pickup. I pop the hood, it lifts itself without fuss in any temperature. Closing it takes a little effort, though. :D
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Now *that* is funny.

    Imagine if they overcompensate and it's hard to close! :D

    I guess they have to balance how much it helps you lift the hood (or all by itself) with how much effort it will take to close it, then account for temperature variations.

    Still, though, back to the prop rods - the hood would slam shut if you just let it go or it slipped out of your hands.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,700
    True enough. I can definitely see the hood on the '08 being cumbersome for someone who is small and/or lacks strength. At 6'0" and fairly fit, I have to remind myself to consider other perspectives.
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  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    AFAIK, the '05 & '06 Legacy/OB have aluminum hood & hatch.

    I received an e-mail survey from Subaru a couple months back that seemed to indicate they were reconsidering using lighterweight materials in the future to help meet the new MPG standards.

    There was also an interview w/Fuji CEO recently that indicated they could look to their airplane division for ways to keep the weight down, which made me wonder if they'd consider composite materials on their small vehicles (electrics/new subcompact?), since FHI's a partner on the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, which uses composites.

    But I'm getting off-topic here. :blush:
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I think the split was Turbo v. non turbo hoods. In the Turbo hoods on the OB/Leg they are aluminum, on the non turbos they are steel.

    My guess is that the difference between the 2nd gen legacy hood and the 4th gen is that the 4th has more padding under the hood for NVH.

    I am looking at getting struts for the 05 LGT wagon, just not sure I want to drill yet into the mounting bracket on the hood side.

    -mike
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  • mrgarymrgary Member Posts: 33
    The dealer is Lancaster County Motors. The web site is www.lancastercountymotors.com they only had the car for 2 days.
  • mrgarymrgary Member Posts: 33
    The 09 Forester had a smooth ride and was quieter. The front seat room allows more width. I am only 5'8" so head room is not something I can comment on. The seat was very comfortable (leather) plenty of elbow room. I have owned Honda CRVs, Suzuki XL7 and I think the new Forester will be a good alternative. I also had very good get up and go. If the seats are as comfortable as what I drove then Outbacks will have to be dated as well.
  • devarshidevarshi Member Posts: 7
    Hi All,

    The coolant level in my forester is lower than the max level in the coolant tank.

    Does anyone know which is the best coolant to add?

    I saw a prestone make...ready to add coolant for about 16 USD...

    And where to add the coolant? In the coolant tank or straight in the radiator...

    Thanks..
  • orangelebaronorangelebaron Member Posts: 435
    If my 05 Outback had struts, my hood wouldn't have blown backwards from the wind into my windshield (because the lousy rod wasn't totally locked into place), damaging the hood (I was adding washer fluid).
    So if you want a prop rod on a $30,000 car....
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Good start. 93% male buyers?! I don't know the Japanese market. Perhaps men there make a much higher percentage of the buying decisions than women, but that number still surprises me. Maybe Japanese women buy a large percentage of the kei cars, or "family" purchases have the man as the primary buyer?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Rats!

    That's *TOO* good.

    No VIP pricing for a while, I supposed. :cry:
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,795
    But don't forget that the Outlander did the same thing in Japan when it launched...

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  • gmginsfogmginsfo Member Posts: 116
    Anyone notice if the sun visors in the 2009 Forester slide back to eliminate the gap near the B pillar?

    OK, time to vent a personal prejudice: I HATE designer labels! I avoid 'em on clothes, even though I do buy LLB items, and other designers', though I remove them if I can. But on a car? C'mon!* I really wish Subaru would just call its LLB model something else, like XS, Ltd. or something that doesn't cater to the mighty yen.
    _____
    * Was it Chrysler that offered an Oscar de la Renta model at one time, or am I flum-fixated on "rich Corinthian leather?" ;)
  • sylviecatsylviecat Member Posts: 10
    I see that the 2009 Forester is only available w/ darkened windows. Do those of you who have this feature (in any auto) find it hard to see out?? Harder than no privacy darkening?
    Thanks :shades:
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Deep tinted windows, under certain conditions, like my dark driveway at night, are a real hassle. Used to have them in my long-departed Explorer, so I'm speaking from experience.

    Bob
  • terry92270terry92270 Member Posts: 1,247
    "Privacy Glass" as supplied by the manufacturer, as opposed to possibly illegal tints installed after market, do not diminish night vision. The are more effective keeping the inside private during the day than at night. The do increase the effectiveness of the air conditioning during the hot summer days! :)
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Mine was a factory job, and it reduced night vision—a lot.

    Bob
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Aftermarket tint we put on our Subies is fairly light... I haven't had any night vision problems. I guess it all depends on how dark the factory tint is. Probably have to take a test drive at night to really be able to tell how it suits you. That said, I wish there was no standard privacy glass, because I prefer to choose what type and level of darkness I want. Now, if I want tint all around, I'd have to attempt to match whatever comes from the factory. Not a really big deal, but not what I'd prefer.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    All my SUVs have had privacy tint from the factory in the back, I think it's mostly used by manufacturers so they don't need to have those pull covers in the rear but more importantly to help the A/C units in cooling down the cars. With such a large greenhouse of windows, it can hamper the A/C systems.

    On my SUVs I always match my front tint to the rear and my tinter has no problem matching it.

    With that said I have 20% all around on all my cars and do not have a problem seeing at night, however, there are a few people who drive my cars that hate it cause they can't see.

    Unfortunately it's not something that's an option from any manufacturer on I'd say 90%+ of SUVs these days, just something to learn to deal with I guess.

    -mike
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    US sales are way up from last year, though I'm not sure about any incentives they're using.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I have backed down that driveway with aftermarket tint on my old 98 Forester, and can vouch for the difficulty in doing so!

    My solution was to open the driver's windows and stick my head out.

    Honestly, it's a down hill, dark, and turns slightly. You've got to be a pro even without tint.

    I have noticed in my new minivan that it makes backing up when it's dark tougher, but I still accept that trade off for the privacy you get.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Interesting info from Joe Spitz's site regarding allocations of each Forester trim:
    X Premium: 45%
    X: 26%
    LL Bean: 20%
    XT Ltd: 6%
    XT: 3%

    So there we can see that only 9% of all Forester allocations for the US will be turbocharged. I can see why Subaru wouldn't want to divide that further into MT/Auto. Perhaps they could've just produced one turbo model (XT Ltd) and divided that into 75% auto / 25% MT. I think many enthusiasts would be willing to have leather/moonroof "forced" on them in exchange for a manual tranny option.

    http://www.cars101.com/subaru/forester/forester2009.html#std%20features
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, a few of us went out and paid extra for aftermarket tint!

    They can't win. ;)
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Poor Subaru... for years, buyers complained that factory tint wasn't available on the Forester and now that it is, we already have people unhappy with it ;)

    I suppose that any tint will block outward night visibility to a degree. However, you get used to it and in IMO the benefits far outweigh the disadvantages.

    -Frank
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,700
    Honestly, it's a down hill, dark, and turns slightly. You've got to be a pro even without tint.

    I wish I had a video camera. I could record some really fun methods of driveway maneuvering. My '07 Outback (MT) was especially enjoyable to use. :D
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Credit Bob for the find, but here is a summary:

    Freight is $665 for all models, up $20.

    X manual is $19,995 (2008 was $1200 more)

    X premium manual is $22,495 (08 was $200 more, but AWP $400 extra)
    AWP $400 option, available only after June

    LL Bean auto is $25,995 (2008 was $700 more).

    XT starts at $26,195, down $800.

    The Premium package adds a moonroof, 17" rims, rear seat center tray, roof rails, steering wheel audio controls, and reclining rear seats.

    The AWP is no longer part of the premium package. It's $400 on the X Prem, and includes heated seats, mirrors, and wiper de-icers.

    The LL Bean is loaded just like last year's model, heated leather and all, ACC, 6CD, power seat, fogs, and still includes the AWP.

    I am VERY PSYCHED because I want an LL Bean and the price went down despite feaures going up! They made that model a very good value. :shades:
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,700
    Yeah, it looks very desirable. When my wife and I look again, depending on the next iteration of Legacy/Outback, we may well end up with a Forester after owning three Outbacks.
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  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Here's hoping for a 2010 LL Bean BlueBoxer turbodiesel. (Of course, like xwesx, also wanna see where Outback is heading.)
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Member Posts: 508
    What do they charge for an automatic on the X?

    Of course, there are rebates on the 2008s...wonder how long until prices get to "normal" levels.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Joe Spitz now has on his site the MSRP and invoice for every 2009 Forester model, including PZEVs. Invoices (incl. dest.) range from $19,578 for an X manual to $28,669 for an XT Ltd w/Nav. Joe's site also says the all-weather package for Premium models (mentioned prior as "late availability") will be available in June.
    http://www.cars101.com/subaru/forester/forester2009.html#prices
  • jmpage2jmpage2 Member Posts: 268
    I'm curious on when the '09 models will be at dealerships? I scanned the thread but don't see the information.

    My wife test drove and enjoyed the Outback XT but prefers the styling of the Forester. She might consider a slightly less expensive Forester XT with all the goodies if we could pick it up (and still get a decent deal on it) by the end of May.

    How has resale, etc, been on the Forester? We are considering leasing vs. buying our next vehicle for a number of reasons and I have been steering clear of vehicles with mediocre resale (such as the Nissan Murano).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Looks like $1200 at retail.

    My LL Bean invoices for $24,995. VIP pricing is 2% below that. I'm all over it. :shades:

    Especially since I have a bunch of Subaru Bucks. Enough to offset MD sales tax.

    Overall, looks like they lowered prices, primarily on the X model. In the past, the X model had bigger rebates than the others, so I think they sort of corrected that.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Forester shipments should start arriving at dealerships in mid-late March.
  • jmpage2jmpage2 Member Posts: 268
    Thanks! I will check it out with my local dealer.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm hoping for early March. Hope I'm right.

    Resale has been strong. I bought mine for $19.2k and then sold it 9 years later for $5500.

    As a comparison, I remember back in 1998 I also considered a Jeep Cherokee. Those were around $3 grand used by the time I sold it.

    In fact my Forester was worth about what a similar Grand Cherokee was, even though I would have paid several thousand more when new.
  • aathertonaatherton Member Posts: 617
    "... even my 2004 Forester has the obnoxious yellow rollover warning stickers..."
    My 2008 Forester, 2006 Scion xB and 2003 Buick LeSabre all have those warning stickers on their visors. But they are air bag warnings. Have you read the stickers on your 2004 Forester?
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Have you read the stickers on your 2004 Forester?

    Oops! :blush: I saw where the poster was complaining about ugly yellow roll-over warning stickers and when I saw the ugly yellow stickers on my visor I didn't even bother to read them. Shows you how effective they are :P

    So do SUVs have two sets of warning stickers on their visors?

    -Frank
  • ahwig1ahwig1 Member Posts: 6
    will the new forester have window frames or just the window with that rubber weather strip still i hate that.
  • ahwig1ahwig1 Member Posts: 6
    anyone know why the need for 2 mufflers,?
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    '09 Forester will have framed glass in the doors (saw that at the Portland Auto Show), similar to '08 Impreza
  • h2k2f2h2k2f2 Member Posts: 44
    What is the fuel economy of the '09 XT, in U.S. gallons?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Window frames are on the 2009.

    2008 and earlier were frameless. I actually liked them, but if you slam the door with the window halfway down it produced a rattle that made people think they felt cheap.

    I say "felt" cheap because crash tests showed the structure was very sturdy despite a lack of window frames.

    Why 2 mufflers? Well, the dual exhaust outlets just look better. They are symmetrical from a design standpoint, too. They do not add power, however, as evidenced by the Impreza. Sedans have dual exhaust, hatches do not, yet there is no difference in power output.

    EPA numbers are not out yet for the 2009s. I doubt they will change from the 2008 figures given the powertrains are virtually the same, though, and weight is up less than 100 lbs. For an auto XT, figure a pretty decent 21/26 mpg or so

    The good news is fuel tank capacity is up. It was 15.9 gallons before, but now it's up to 16.9 gallons. So you will enjoy more range in each tankful.

    I'm happy about that because even with a 25.1 mpg average on my old Forester, I still only went about 340 miles per tank before the low fuel light would light up.

    An extra gallon doesn't sound like much but you can drive an extra day or so between each tankful. Also, competitors typically have less capacity, so range will be about as good as it gets for this class.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    The dual mufflers also allow for the spare tire well and IIRC some of the emissions stuff to be located in the trunk area. I forget why the duals help that but I remember McDade from SDC pointing it out on the WRX sedan he had during the 48hrs.info drive we had.

    -mike
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,795
    FWIW, a local dealer now has a few of these on the lot. Still wrapped in plastic, but definitely there. ;)

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  • ahwig1ahwig1 Member Posts: 6
    Local as in where?
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