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I have said this before, but I'll say it again: Because then, when the next person decides to stack up mats and not use the hooks, they still have a decent chance of being ok. That, combined with the smart pedal (brake cancels any depression of accelerator) is what Toyota is doing to try to combat the problem of people doing these two stupid things. And you can bet that all makers will be making changes, specifically, adding the smart pedal software, because only 2 have it now - Toyota will be the third. Otherwise, the ambulance chasers will be going after Ford, GM, etc.
A long time coming, l..o....n......g overdue.
A long time coming, l..o....n......g overdue.
I guess in a car like the Camry with no sporting pretensions, or even a manual transmission, there is no reason to heel/toe or rev match.
That might not be so bad, one of the comments about the Mini is the throttle hang is excessive when you release the gas. I was told it was an emissions issue.
Rev hang is an emissions issue with most new manual tranny cars, Honda & Toyota included.
This was my first experience with Toyota and I was very pleased. I have talked with other new Accord owners that are very happy with their cars. It was just not the car for me. So, I ended up having to pay another $2,000.00 and trade my 2009 Accord LX for a 2010 Camry LE. I just went on a 1700 mile trip to the mountains and it was a joy to drive. Are there things I am unhappy about with the Camry? Yes.. I want to change my own oil and I am still unsure on how to do it with this new design. I can call Toyota customer service number or seperate dealers and still get various answers on which oil to use. Here is letter I got after contacting Toyota 4 or 5 times> (thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. We appreciate your interest in the Camry and we are sorry for any confusion generated by our office. Our position regarding the oil directly conforms with what you have available in the Owner's Manual. Your vehicle, per our records, is a four-cylinder model. The four-cylinder is supplied from the factory with synthetic 0W-20 oil, and this is our primary recommendation. However, 5W-20 petroleum-based (conventional) oil may be used as well. The 5W-30 petroleum-based oil is recommended for the six-cylinder engine, which does not apply to your situation)
I love the USB (brought a flash drive on my trip with 2000 songs) but the USB outlet is in a ridiculous area to get to. No way you can be driving and trying to fiddle with it. Plus there is a chance of breaking it if you try to store anything in there with it. The armrest storage is a crap design. There is a tray that is very hard to move in the storage area. Not happy with the storage areas on back of seats. I don't know about other 2010 owners but I have to slam my trunk to get it to shut. I thought it was a defect so I tried another one at the dealer and it was hard to close also. Gas mileage has varied from 35 mpg on the freeway to 25 mpg in the mountains. I am expecting better gas mileage around the city but a part of the problem is the car drives so smooth, I don't realize that i am driving faster then I should. I am disappointed that an alarm is not standard with the Camry. I have really enjoyed the XM radio but will not pay for monthly fee after it expires in December. Inside lights could be better. Regarding the floor mat issue. I read people saying over and over that it is just people not hooking them correctly but have read some reports of some odd acceleration that has not been proven one way or the other. On my trip I used cruise control often. I am curious about something that you owners that live in hilly areas can answer. I know to not not use cruise control in the mountains. But I was using cruise in very gentle slopes while on the interstate and there were a few times that the car lurched forward when making minor adjustment to slight incline. Is this normal? Over all I am very happy with my Camry. If i run into any other issues I will report them here but will soon be switching to the Toyota forums because there are other threads mixed in with these that don't pertain to my car and i want feedback from Camry and Toyota owners. Here is the link. http://www.camryforums.com/forum/index.php I have enjoyed chatting here.
Trunk closes fine, I would not say you have to slam it, but your opinion may vary. The tray in the armrest storage - no complaints here, but I bet some would complain if it moved too easy. You could always put a light coat of white lithium grease or silicone spray to make it move easier.
Floormats - nothing proven, except people not using the hooks or using more than one mat. I also have a 2007, same pedal and mat design, zero issues. The mats never move at all.
Cruise - don't know, no complaints, I have a manual tranny though. I have driven automatics (not Toyota) that do seem to "lurch" or surge forward slightly, mostly due to them downshifting to maintain speeds.
I don't know how you did it but it's a screaming deal that you only need to pay 2K to get rid of the 1 year old car regardless it's 1-2 months old.
thanks for the detailed review.
As you mentioned between the Honda accord and the camry there is not comparison. It's like day and night. For the comfort smooth and confortable ride the Camry offers and for the price in the US market I'll say Hello my friends.
I've Drove long time german cars in German (Because the europeen models are way different that what they send here in the US) and I had problem feeling the German car driving experience at LOWER COST. The only car I tested and was satisfied with the price and performance was the 2007 Mazda CX-7. Dem this is a car. I end up buying this.
Also one think I hear people complaining about the gaz milenage on the CX-7 and I'll say US car drivers has zero idea on car (JUST TO BE CLEAR IT'S NOT MY INTENTION TO OFFEND POEPLE HERE). They are driving a 269 horse power car and on the top of It an cross over and they are expecting to have 25-30 Miles/Gallon......... Crazy even the camry with 169 HP can just make it. Please go on German tuning (race profesional) web sites and see what compliment was given to the CX-7 with respect to the price/class/performance even with BMW can beat It. And my god the brake on the CX-7.
Now back to the camry: I owned a (a 1997 Toyota Corolla E11, Lunea luna limited edition See pics 10 and 11 also feel free to google) in Germany for 7 years and sold It before moving to the US. The car was so gut. Was very disappointed with the toyotas builded for the us market (here in the US). Got first here a 2008 corolla CE (for every day drive cause the Mazda CX-7 is my baby). No ABS, no nothing beside airbag. was cheap and for a first car.....
We've tested the 2009 Camry some time ii summer when it was on sale and we were so disappointed that we've decided to keep our 2008 corolla. Even the $3.000 off didn't make us think twice.
With family growth (2 kids) we've started locking into sedan and first tested the 2010 Camry basic model. What a hudge difference compared with the 2009 model and the 2008 Corolla. Then the Honda accord(this is carbage) and then we went with the 2010 camry XLE with 4 cylinders (XLE because can't drive a car without leather wrapped steering wheel and was getting more option for the money). Dam this is a car and if you compare It with other cars on the US market (even the Lexus, they just look more luxurious but the ride is not that great. The 2010 camry drive smoother that other lexus model I drove).
So to summarize. @ALL 2010 camry owners be proud of the quality of the car you are driving. For those who are looking for a new family/sedan ride don't be fooled with the latest recall. this is a great car and you can't go wrong. with the current incentive 2.9% for 60 months or 0.0% for 36 months.............
Normally a DFI engine could have a base/static compression ratio of as much as 12:1. But in order to provide for a decent level of turbo boost the static CR must be lower than otherwise.
The shame of all this, the REAL shame, is that Mazda could have made use of the new Toyota e/VVT-i technique to transition the engine operating mode from Otto, CR of 15:1(low cylinder charge), to Atkinson, CR of 12:1(moderate cylinder charge), to Miller cycle mode, CR of 8:1(WOT). Probably wouldn't have had enough "juice" left in the exhaust to spool up a turbo, but a good positive displacement variable volume SC (remember the Millenia S..??) would have worked wonders.
35MPG hwy.
And the other bad news is that Ford is making exactly the same mistake with TwinForce ("EcoBoost").
I don't know how you did it but it's a screaming deal that you only need to pay 2K to get rid of the 1 year old car regardless it's 1-2 months old.
gooddeal2- I was working 5 dealers in 3 states when I got the Honda. I hate trying to get these guys to come down to a realistic price but it is possible. i just keep telling one dealer that the other dealer is offering a better deal. If the salesman won't budge then get another salesman. Many ''tell me'' that they are not getting any commission but it is more about total sales. I know they lie but I keep on tying to get the bargain.
I also dealt with around 6 dealers for the Toyota. Some of the online prices they give are bs once you get to the dealer. (My honda was not and neither was the Camry dealr that I eventually went with. I had both send me total out tghe door price with taxes etc...
The Toyota dealer wanted the Accord real bad. Heck it only had 200 miles on it. They told me they wanted it on their lot so they could compare it to their Camrys to potential customers. Yea Sure... In the end they did tell me...NOW GO AWAY....LOL
I might of mentioned that they did stick me with the upgraded radio after lying to me and telling me that the car I wanted was on a boat coming from Japan and it had the radio or I would have to wait a month. I was happy that they were so busy that they still had Camrys made in Japan coming to America. I asked for the boats name so I could track it and they could not find the info. hmmmmmm Then when the car arrived I looked at door plate and it said made it Kentucky. My salesperson said ''oh they just put that plate on it'' I went to management to get the truth and then my salesperson said she did not know that it came from Kentucky....after she showed me what was supposedly my car on a boat. You can get the deal. If they don't come down ...Walk away. They need to sell cars.
Yeb, you got a real deal there. :shades: About 2 years, I wanted to trade in my Altima for a new Accord (old design '07) b/c they had heavy discount. The dealer wouldn't give me a penny more than the auction number on the Altima b/c they said they will NOT keep the car on lot. They will send it to auction. They don't want people to compare the Altima w/ the Accord.
I didn't really trust the guy, so, I decided to walk around their used car lot and I couldn't find an Altima. I saw a couple Maximas. When I got home, I check their website and I didn't see any Altima also.
I ended up w/ a new Altima instead b/c Nissan dealer wanted my car on their lot and they offered me more than the Honda dealer.
I tried to get a new Altima late last month and the dealer let me walk out for $200 diff.
AND......the son loves the Honda.
Like part of the floorboard is missing.
Has anyone else noticed this? Maybe it's normal.
This also happens even if you lift the throttle without touching the brakes. During coastdown periods the roadbed traction is used to DRIVE the generators. Simulating, in effect, engine compression braking as would occur in a non-hybrid.
Would imply, for me, WET.
Maybe Spongy would have been more correct.
Another thing that bothers me about the 2010 Camry is there are drain holes on both sides of car (at least on mine) somewhere below each door and after a few rain storms there are always dirt trails below the doors. I have never seen this on a car and wonder why they designed it this way? The good thing it remind me to wash the car and water is not storing up wherever it is draining from but too bad the rain gets in that area anyway. Has anyone else noticed this? ( I still love the car...but there are always little things that are worth pointing out.
Regarding the console between the seats and the crappy tray they stuck in it (I'm about ready to pull it out) My old 98 Accord had a 2 section console. Very nice. Top portion was only a couple of inches thick and then below that was the deep console. Toyota should of copied this.
Yes, my 2007 used to do this - it is normal, but it will get less as the car gets older. I think it is maybe excess rust proofing?? My 2007 does not do this anymore, but my new 2010 now does this, but it is getting less and probably another few months and it will not do it any more.
They did -- for the 2002-06 models. I'm not getting rid of mine soon! Two other cost-cutting measures on the '07 and later: hard plastic on the rear face of the front seat backs instead of cloth and 6-way power passenger seat on the XLE instead of 8-way (no more adjustable tilt of the seat cushion).
Camry has power Auto-Up/Down windows on all 4 windows. Accord is just driver and passenger. Not a big deal but convenient. I like to open the rear passenger side window just a little on days when AC is not needed, but I don't know if it the body design or not but there is an awful wind noise that is had to describe when opening that window that is very annoying.
mcdawgg- Thanks for reply about the drain holes
They did -- for the 2002-06 models. I'm not getting rid of mine soon! Two other cost-cutting measures on the '07 and later: hard plastic on the rear face of the front seat backs instead of cloth and 6-way power passenger seat on the XLE instead of 8-way (no more adjustable tilt of the seat cushion)-210delray
This is common on a lot of cars these days. Just open one of the front windows slightly, problem solved. I can't remember, but it is something very explainable.
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Do you think this "reset the computer" will work? I'm afraid to take it in to the dealer and say this since I don't really understand what it means. I'm also afraid that I will get the blank stare and the "that's the way it's supposed to be" response. I know a guy who works on Camrys. He seems to know them inside out. He loves the old ones - not so much the new ones (all built in the U.S. of A.)- and fixed a problem on my 92 Camry that no one else could figure out. I guess I could ask him about it.
Advice? Does anyone understand this reset the computer fix - the one that koho had done?
I love the car otherwise but I'm beginning to be obsessed by the weird shifting.
BTW the Computers in a 92 are far far different than a 2010, they completely changed how the computers work and are accessed beginning of 1995. They are all OBDII or maybe even the next generation, it has been that long since I worked on them, and they were all OBDII at that time. You need the proper diagnostic tool to even read ODBII codes, let alone reprogram one. A decent tool can run upwards of $4500 to start, and that doesn't include the modules for each make. This is why I suggest taking it to the dealer first, they will have the proper tools to read the PCM.
Got also my 2010 Camry last November and have so far 940 miles on It. I notices It the first time I got with with 12 miles on the odometer. That time was pretty thought for me since was I driving my CX-7 (always in sport manual shifting).
The move to the Camry made me notice the hesitation. I've learned It from the Mazda where the car will have some hesitation when I slow down pretty fast and using the breaks at the meantime.
Since I'm a "preventive" driver ; means I always watch the light far away before approaching the intersection and let the car roll instead of using heavily the break (don't work always because some time got surprised with the speed and need to really break). That said, applyed this on the Camry too and noticed a big change in the car behavior. couldn't feel the hard hesitation I had from the beginning (WHEN SLOWING DOWN).
However there is also hesitation when speeding up from stop and go. You can still feel an hesitation when accelerating (after the traffic lights turn green) and only if you stay below 2 RPM you can see this behavior. I need to "tell the car I really need to go forwards" by pushing on the gas (More than 2 RPM) and then the car goes straight without hesitation. But If I stay below 2 RPM after the "stop and go" the car will automatically shift from 1 ->2 ->3 (may be 3 ->4 since In automatic mode you can't see the gears ) and then hesitate and shifts back from 3 ->2 (may be 4 ->3 ).
So I don't know If those hesitations are "normal" or may be we Carmy owners don't know how to communicate with our car.
Please feel free to give It a try and give us feedback here in the forum.
They say the relationship between you and your car is unique. So if you teach your car how you want him to behave or learn to speak to him then you'll be great partners with the time. And also one think when you are used to your car and give It to some one else for couples days once you get your car back you'll feel that the car drives any way differently and I think that how the car behave with a different driver.
My driving sounds like yours, corolla e11. I too have begun to go up to stops faster then use the brakes. I don't think, however, that we should be changing our behavior to compensate for something strange happening when the gears shift down. Maybe it's better anyway to brake instead of letting the car slow down. Less strain on the transmission which obviously costs more to fix/replace than the brakes. I think I heard the Car Guys tell this to someone. Can't remember for sure. Opinions on the best way - if there is one - to approach stops? To brake or not to brake - that is the question. Well, obviously braking will be necessary eventually.
This "car needs to learn the way you drive" thing that dealers tell you sounds fishy to me. I've been told this twice already. Maybe it is.
I've gotten use to how to accelerate from stops to avoid the hesitation so this doesn't bother me anymore. I test drove a used 07 Lexus before I bought the Camry and it did the same hesitation thing.
I've had nothing but positive experiences with my 92 Camry. It still runs like a dream and the seats are really comfortable. The air conditiong is really cold when ou need it to be. Personally, I think Camrys are the quietest and most comfortable midsize car on the road. I still really like my new one. The Accord seats were not comfortable and they are way noisier on the road.