my keyless entry battery was dead and i replaced the battery, now the remote won't work...and i dont know why... the battery models are the same and everything....i put back the old battery and it still doesnt work...does anyone have a solution?
maybe the remote signal is reseted when the battery is taken out and is operating at a different freq. than the car?...please help
I so want to get a 2004 4Runner Limited (I currently have a 98 4Runner Limited), but I just can't pull the trigger.
If I am going to pay nearly $40k I want a more car-like (with wood grain accents, not cheesy granite looking accents) interior. Not a truck. I know there are those that like trucks, but in my mind Toyota is screwing up here. There are far more people who like a little comfort and aesthetics in the cockpit.
Plus, I just found out that if I want to get a third row seat (which I do) I can't get the JBL 10 speaker system. What the heck is up with that!!!
This truck is so close to being perfect, but suffers from a few fatal flaws. C'mon Toyota get it right!!
Brian, I was in the same position as you. I liked both and each had its strengths and weaknesses. The styling, resale value, and advanced drivetrain features (Torsen differential, VSC, DAC, HSC) tipped the scale in Toyota's favor in my case. The Toyota will likely require more expensive routine maintenance than the Ford (valve clearance adjustment at 60K, Timing Belt at 90K for the V8) but will probably have fewer unexpected repairs than the Ford (based on Consumer Reports info). With current incentives, you can buy a comparably equipped Ford AND buy a 100K mile extended warranty and still be out the door for less then a 4Runner.
Thanks to all who put their sulphur problems in perspective. It sounds like most of you consider it an occasional annoyance, but not enough to really detract from the overall satisfaction of the vehicle. And definitely not reason enough to not purchase a 4runner.
Unfortunately for a few of you, it sounds like your problem is much worse, and not the typical experience. And it definitely is concerning if CO is entering the cabin. That truly is a flaw, and if true, I would expect a recall.
On the positive side, the ability to "crop dust" the car behind you with a cloud of sulphur does appeal to my revengeful side. Beware to all those doing 45 mph on the highway while on the cell phone!
True, from a purchase cost perspective, you could come out ahead with an Explorer and a 100K warranty. But also factor in the cost of your time schlepping the car to the dealer for service. And don't forget to include the future trade-in differentials. At the end of the day, you'll probably come out close to even. If you agree that the Explorer is technically inferior, then "close to even" would make the 4runner the better deal. Good luck.
The sulfur smell is about a 2.5 for me. It's gotten bad only once or twice. It's a minor annoyance, but it wouldn't change my decision on the vehicle or prevent me from buying another one....
2300 miles on my 2003 black Limited V8 4Runner with X-REAS and NO sulfer smell (so far). I love this vehicle, didn't even consider anything else. In Indiana there was a $1000 rebate on the Limited. Out the door deal was $500 under invoice with no doc fees.
I have driven both the Explorer and the 4Runner. About the only positive things that I can say about the Explorer are that it has a cheaper upfront cost and a roomier third row seat. The handlind on the Explorer is definitely inferior and so is the fit and finish.
The 4Runner, and Toyota in general, have an excellent track record with respect to reliability and resale value. The Explorer is improved, but still is not on par with the 4Runner.
I agree with the "Re: Decisions (4Runner vs. Explorer)" post. One other thing is that when you return any car for repair, a courtesy car may not be available. With a Toyota, you can be confident in not even needing to purchase additional warranty coverage, unless you really need more peace of mind.
We also owned a '98 4Runner Limited, for 5 years and 75K miles. It was a great vehicle, dead reliable and willing to work hard pulling my 4,000 lb. trailer with no complaint. I have to admit, though, that after 5 years I'd really tired of the patently fake wood grain look of the interior. 1970s all over again.
I, too, wasn't enthusiastic about the esthetics of the '03, either exterior or interior, at first. But after 18K miles, I've come to terms with the inside and now actually like it. The exterior styling I'll put up with to get all the traditional Toyota virtues, which are preserved in the '03 models.
Before making your decision, consider that if you adjust the price of the '98 for inflation, the '03 costs almost exactly the same. And for this money, you get a vastly improved vehicle with many, many worthwhile features the '98 never even thought of having. A real bargain, IMHO.
The '03s aren't perfect - no vehicle is. Mine's probably less so than yours would be, since I got an early-build '03 with the squeaky seats. But I have absolutely no regrets, and I'd do it all over again in a flash if need be.
Hello there, I've been reading here for about a week or so, and I think I need to actually post to get a little more info on my questions. Sorry if this is a long post. I'm looking into buying a new 4Runner, the reason being that someone crashed into my previous car ('95 Acura Integra LS) and totalled it (swerved into me at 80mph). Thankfully I wasn't injured, but now I have to fun(?) task of dealing with the Insurance co. and finding a new ride. While I'll have a car to drive in the meantime, I would rather have my own. After reading back through the pages here, I'm currently wondering whether I should get a 2003 or wait for a 2004 4Runner.
I'm concerned about the Sulfur Smell, I know some people recently have put things in perspective about it, but this is one of the major reasons I'm holding back. All The other TSB's look like they're not too big a deal to get fixed if encountered. I live in California (San Francisco Bay Area), so I'm not sure whether this is that big a deal out here or not. I've test driven two 4Runners so far, didn't notice any smell but also was not really looking for it. Everything else about them (engine, suspension, etc.) is to my liking.
Are there any changes coming between the '03 and '04, or will they basically be the same? Also, do you think the 2004 Runners will have the exact same problem, or maybe a little better and not so stinky? I'm thinking about getting an SR5 V6 model, possibly a Sport but I'm not planning on getting a V8 (I won't be towing anything and gas is pretty expensive here). Maybe a couple of trails here and there, and some snow conditions in the mountains too.
Thanks, I'd really appreciate any help/advice. I had narrowed my choices to a Tacoma 4x4 V6, but after researching the 4Runner and seeing a bunch around out here I'm really thinking that it's what I want. I've also considered a used one, but not sure about going down that route. Everyone says that once people buy one, they usually end up keeping it! I plan on putting about 20k down to get this thing btw, so hopefully I can get a good price.
Drove around today in rainy weather and had no sulphur smell but yesterday when it was sunny the odor was detectable once or twice. So my question is does it depend upon the weather? If that's the case I'll wish for rain everyday.
I traded my 2002, 4WD, V8, leather, XLT at 46,000 miles, for a new 4Runner Limited. The Explorer's sticker price was ~$33,000.00 in 11/01 when I bought it, for ~$30,500.00. Now, let me tell you that I took immaculate care of my Explorer-- I detailed it twice a year with Zaino products (a weekend project, believe me), and it had absolutely no dings or scratches. I scrupulously maintained it, and the interior was also immaculate. Well, after only 22 months of ownership, it's value had depreciated by more than 50%, despite it's extended (transferable) warranty, aftermarket sound system, PIAA fog lamps, Husky floor liners, etc.
In brief, my Explorer's transmission began acting up at the beginning of this summer, and prior to that it's transfer case and swaybar bushings had numerous problems that had to be repeatedly fixed. With regard to its tranny problems, it spent most of this summer shopped at a Ford "Blue Oval" dealer who soon proved to be unscrupulous, dishonest, sneaky, and inept. (Meanwhile, I was making large monthly payments on it, even though I couldn't drive it all summer). They NEVER fixed my truck properly, and in fact it was worse each time I got it back. Yet they always claimed they had fully repaired it! (Gee, I wonder what financial incentives they may have been interested in here?) Ford's Customer Service was of no help, and they never even placed a follow-up call to me this summer! Furthermore, I spoke directly with the General Mgr. of the involved Ford dealership about my summer-long ordeal at the hands of his service shop, and it quickly became clear that he too would be of no help whatsoever.
At any rate, after I got my Explorer back from that one Ford dealer for the 3rd time this summer and it was still not fixed, I made an appointment with another Ford dealership to have the problem assessed for a 4th time. But, while I was waiting for that appointment date, I decided to test drive the new 4Runner, and ended up buying my new 4Runner Limited that same day. My Toyota dealer accepted my Explorer in trade for $16,400.00 (generous!), and after they paid off the $18,000.00 I owed my credit union on the Explorer, I then paid the remaining outstanding balance out-of-pocket to finally be rid of that Ford for good, as well as to thoroughly wash my hands of Ford Motor Company, Inc. Trust me--I will never, ever buy another American vehicle.
And so, how does my 4Runner Ltd. compare to my previous Explorer? Well, you get what you pay for when it comes to Toyota. Yes, you will pay a premium for Toyota quality, reliability, attention to detail, and service; but you will also get a vehicle that inspires real pride and thrill of ownership. Furthermore, Toyota's higher end vehicles traditionally have excellent longevity along with high resale value. In contrast, I've come to view my previous Explorer as having been conceived and built as a "disposable" vehicle that began to fail and fall apart not long after 36,000 miles had elapsed! Hmmm...
I have a 95 surburban and won't start. There is no spark coming out of the coil wire. There is 12 volts going to the coil and the igniter. Resistance readings of the coil read correct. I am leaning to the igniter being problem but very expensive to just try. Any suggestions on how to verify it is problem? Any suggestions on what I can check further. I have no idea what I might read using ohm meter on the connections at the igniter. I know it has two wires coming from computer, one to 12 volt source and one to tach and on to low side of coil.
Live in Illinois, 03 4Runner v6 SR5 built in 05/03.. havent smelled any suphur yet but then again I smoke a pack a day so I really can't smell or taste anything. Hmm... wonder if most people who have no smell problems also smoke :-P I'm afraid to quit now!
I have 2 deals. First 03 4runner limited. Msrp38177, invoice34369 Deal is 300 over invoice less 750. My price 33,919. Color pac blue with black int. On explorer xlt msrp 34270, my price 27390. Moon roof credit, 3rd seat running boards aux climate control. Of course ford giving 0% for 72 mos. What are your opinions? Fords aggressive pricing vs toyota quality. I'm torn. Can I get a better price on toyota?
I agree with everything you typed! I owned three Exploders '97, '99 and '00, all Sport models with the '00 being top of the line leather, automatic and 4x4. The other two models were standard 5 speed and 2WD. All vehicles were purchased/leased new, I special ordered the '00, and maintained the vehicles meticulously. The '00 had the thermostat die/stick at 18K miles, tow to dealer, then the fuel pump died at 36K, tow to dealer and $500 later, 200 miles out of warranty!, at 43K miles the tranny started slipping and the interior was wearing badly.
So, I traded the '00 Ford for a '02 Toyota Sport 4x4 (new). 2nd best vehicle I have ever owned. Never been to the shop other than scheduled maintenance. I liked it so much, I traded the '02 for a '03 Sport 4x4 V8. This is the best vehicle, not just SUV, that I have ever owned. Fit and finish are better than my BMW and MB. Drive is smooth and responsive and the interior is comfortable and spacious.
The Explorer (American cars in general) are disposable. American automobile manufacturers want you to buy another vehicle at 36K miles, or sooner. American cars are built to fall apart at 36K miles. Toyota's are built for people in the world who look at a vehicle purchase as a long term involvement, like buying a house, and are built to match that expectation. Have you noticied the Toyota's built in America are starting to have reliability issues?
Based on the American viewpoint of disposable and replaceable all automobiles built in America are designed and built to last 3 years or 36K miles. Buy a Toyota built in Japan and you will have a reliable, stable, value retaining investment for the next 7 to 10 years.
The 03 and 04 are basically the same. The only changes are to options. The 04 NAV now come with the backup camera. The 04 also has a tire pressure light. Lastly, if you want it, you can get a 3rd row in an SR5 or Limited, but not if you also want certain options (Nav, etc..) That's it. Some colors from 03 (green and red) are not available in 04, but everything else is the same.
Regardless of the MSRPs, you will save a bunch if you can find an 03 that you like. If you don't want a 3rd row and can live without the rear backup camera and tire pressure warning light, I'd be looking for an 03.
If you like the gey plastic cladding, you can save even more $.
Perhaps once you get a Japanese lemon (unlikely, but not like it's never happenned), you won't be so categorical. Ford is a POS for sure, and DC is not much better, but GM is starting to make quality vehicles, and it looks like they won't be stopping any time soon. But we should definitely praise the Japanese for forcing Americans to start making quality cars. Thank you, thank you!
Please look at message 7687 as I stated I had a suburban and I meant to say Land Cruiser. I was telling friend about the problem and we were talking about his suburban for awhile. Thanks for any help
I always felt like if you were shopping around model year change that you should buy, e.g., the '03 if you were a high mileage driver, the '04 if you were a low mileage driver. This assumes you would get another vehicle every few years for this to make a difference and the prices are relatively the same.
I find it humerous you'd pick on Ford and Chrysler yet praise GM. Ask my brother-in-law about his 2000 Suburban's piston slap problem that GM calls "normal".
Yes, it's very regrettable when carmakers won't admit they've made a bad product. But you need to look at a large scale. And on a large scale, GM has the best quality of all American manufacturers and is not that far back of Toyota and Honda
Well I suppose you are all in favor of 4runner over explorer. Not to confuse the issue, I saw a neat looking black honda pilot today. Given a msrp of 38177, inv. 34369, selling price 33919. Which is 300 over invoice less 750 rebate. Do you think I have more concessions to get from them? Is 32,999 too low? I know the have dealer holdbacks and invoice and factory invoice are different. One more question. With the 4 wheel drive, is it easy to use and does it really ride well in the snow? Was told to insist on michelin cross terrains. Your input is appreciated. This is my first 4x4, and am a little skittish about using it. Hope its foolproof.!
With the Honda products you have to replace the diff fluids every 5-7K miles, more frequently if you off road. They use a clutch pack diff, instead of gear driven like Toyota. For what its worth, that is an inconvenience and added costs. Take it easy on GM?? Like my brand new, ordered from factory Silverado that went through three transmissions, new engine and even being called a liar by the Chevy dealer. Two weeks later on threat of Lemon Law, the GM territory rep found that the production of the engine had failed to place the ignition module in the block, opps! Sorry for putting you through a year of hell and accusations when it was our fault all along. GM is a POS, its the same frame with twenty different crappy body styles. How original is that? Even as standard as one frame and two engine choices, GM still can't make a reliable product. Ford is going to get the %$^& beat out of them with the new Nissan Titan vs. F150. Chrysler died back in 1980.
The fluid gets changed at the first 5-7K and then not again until 30K miles. It is only in the rear, not very expensive and took 1 hour during my first oil change on my MDX. The locking rear differential on my MDX did excellent in 10-12" of snow. So far at 12K 2 oil changes and the rear differential at 5500 miles. No inconvenience.
To clarify your knowledge of the maintenance requirements of the honda vtm system...from what I understand the early change of the differential fluids is because they put an agent in the fluid to help break-in of the differential and extend the life. The second change and on is supposed to be at greater intervals.
If you go offroading in any vehicle (in my opinion including the 4runner)...you should have the transmission, differential and axle fluids changed more often than the regular maintenance interval on any vehicle (From water, dirt, breakdown, etc.) Not an inconvenience, just a routine maintenance item.
You were quoted a great price for the V6 Limited 4WD. I'd take the 4Runner myself although I know 3 people who are equally happy with their Fords. After 3 weeks of ownership & only 400 miles, my only complaint is that the stock radio isn't very good. My home computer has a better sound system. Hopefully your Limited has one of the JBL radio options. I bought the 4Runner bcuz I believe its the best in class. Skid plates are stock, it has 4WD low range, ground clearance is excellent, & it has a much more powerful engine than prior years models. My former '86 Camry & '86 SR5 PU belong to my sister & father respectively. Both have over 200k & their original drivetrains. My 4Runner replaced a Blazer which was a good vehicle for me, but it did see a fair amount of warranty work.
I'm sure if you posted the same question in the Ford forum, you would get everyone suggesting to buy the Explorer. Don't forget the possible biases of your sources.
Concerning the Pilot, while I'm not in love with the 4Runners looks, I think the Pilot is extremely bland. To me, it's a minivan in disguise. I think the quality is on par with the 4runner. The deciding factors for me would revolve around intended use. If you're looking for a more sure-footed mini van, then get the pilot with the third row seat. If you want a more aggressive off road vehicle or need to tow, go with the 4runner. The Pilot is a car based crossover, while the 4runner is a full fledged 4x4 truck.
I'd also been told by my dealer the fluttering sound was normal (when I dropped it off in the morning, however, he agreed with me that it sounded like an exhaust leak). My mechanic brother-in-law said some engines sound like that; I'm not so sure. It's especially noticeable when driving alongside a wall or other vehicle. I have an '03 SE 4WD V6 bought 5/11/03. Btw, having bought it then, would the fuel pulsation damper have been fixed prior to sale?
"2nd best vehicle I have ever owned. Never been to the shop other than scheduled maintenance. I liked it so much, I traded the '02 for a '03 Sport 4x4 V8."
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Let me get this straight you like a 02 so much you traded it in on a 03. What happens when you hate a vehicle?
Thanks kjack100 & jagsdad for answering my questions... that's what I suspected. I can live with the 2003 offerings, it's just the smell that concerns me, I just have hard time because of cars in the past that had that problem (my buddy's old Camaro for example). Think I'll see what's left of the 2003 and see what kind of prices I can get if there is no change to the the exhaust/cat conv/sulfur smell.
I agree that some vehicles from GM are pretty good, such as the Tahoe (recommended by Consumers), which I considered, but did not purchase because it was a bit too big and didn't have NAV.
The Chevy Trailblazer, which is a midsize SUV, is a POS mechanically and not the best built vehicle. The interior fit and finish were poor and looked dated ever since the first date it was built.
In the end, I purchased an 03 4Runner Limited with all the options for a good price and I am happy knowing that I won't be going to the shop for other than routine maintenance.
From my experience, I only smell the sulfur when the rear cargo window is opened. I can live with driving with it closed. Just make sure when you take a 4Runner for a test drive to try driving with the rear cargo window open and even have the nerve to ask the dealer what they know about it.
Change the coil first. No matter what the resistances are with a volt-ohm meter, may be trashed at 30,000 volts. Can't tell without running diagnostics. Coils are known to go bad and would be what I would replace.
We seriously considered a Pilot before choosing the 4Runner...I think all first year vehicles tend to be a little less reliable than the following years, but besides the ability to tow part of the deciding factor was that the Pilot seemed to have more than its share of first year problems (especially for a Honda). I didn't think that the Pilot would be nearly as reliable as the CR-V we were replacing. I'm not sure if its a factor or not, but the 4Runner is built in Japan and the Pilot is assembled here.
Concerning lemons, IMHO, all manufacturers have them and if you get one you are going to hate that company regardless (personal experience overrides consumer magazines), but the percentage of lemons appears to be higher in American and European manufacturers.
There is a whole thread of explorer complaints, from transmissions, brakes and just bad service. But some people said they love the explorer. This will be my first foreign car and I'm hesitant. Are parts readily available, or are there delays? Is the buyers manuels in english and easy to understand. Ever bought a [non-permissible content removed] camera or vcr or dvd player. As far as the 4x4 system, is it reliable and easy to use.? I have a retail store and in winters I need to open early before sreets are plowed and try to park in snow drifts when they are. Can it hande snow reliably. I'm in new york city. To park in a snow storm is inpossible on the street as its plowed to curbs. Wanna make sure it has power and traction to find its way out of some deep snow. Is 4x4 able to be used upto a certain speed? Any input is welcome.
As far as snow drifts, 4R should have no trouble with them whatsoever. It has plenty of stuff underneath to handle much more serious obstacles. It's probably the best midsize SUV for off-roading and nasty driving conditions.
Of course, if you want to enhance your winter driving experience, switch to snow tires in due time.
I have also considered buying a new 4runner and the sulfur smell is def a negative factor.....I did some reading about gasoline and posted a while back, but essentially as more cars are built to be ultra low emission vehicles they will all have the sulfur smell based on the current non-reformulated gasolines.....I spoke with the air quality office in my home state arkansas, and they told me that the reformulated gasoline has as requirement to have a lower sulfur level, whereas others do not, and in other gasolines the sulfur content may vary from batch to batch, i.e. oil from africa vs iraq vs russia vs the gulf may have a higher sulfur content to begin with, so the base stock can make a significant difference.....as you may have read diesel fuel has a lot of sulfer and will be under new requirements to reduce this significantly, the oil companies have argued that this will be technologically very difficult and expensive...my hope is as this technology improves so wil the ability to remove sulfur from conventional gasoline......
Has anyone experienced a problem with the WeatherTech window deflector for the driver's window? I just installed a set and when I tried to use the auto-up feature, as soon as the window reached the top, it activates the pinch protection and automatically rolls back down. The instructions say to manually assist the window closed so that it 'remembers' to override this feature, but even when pushing on the window it still goes back down. The window will still close if I hold the power switch down, but I'd like to have the use of the auto-up. Anyone figure out a way to bypass this or deactivate the pinch protection? Thanks
Are the manuals in English? You have to be kidding me. Of course they are...They always have been even since Toyota has been in business selling cars in the US.
Most parts are usually readily available. Toyota has a excellent part distribution system. Nevertheless, Toyotas are very reliable and chances are you won't need anything than maintenance parts.
The 4x4 system is easy to use, durable, and very reliable. You should not have any problems in the snow, considering NYC doesn't receive very much snow in general. Also, the 4Runner has alot of ground clearance that is an asset in the deep snow.
There are special snow tires out there, some latest innovations include tires which actually stick to ice, thus providing exceptional traction even on a skating rink. So, I would imagine cross-terrain tires would not be as good as purely snow tires. However, in NY you probably don't need purely snow tires, because the snow is rarely on the ground. Those snow tires are plenty expensive too, but what price can you put on your safety and that of your family?
I just returned from 3 days of off-roading in SW Colorado. The roads I took ranged from rough dirt to rock and boulder greater than 6 inches in diameter. The worst trail I was on was over Engineer Pass (13,100 feet) coming down to Ouray from Lake City. I dragged the skid plates on rock several times in the last 5 miles of road. It took nearly 3 hours to drive those 5 miles (my girlfirend walked much of it as she was too nervous inside the vehicle). I hit the center skid plate pretty hard on one switchback and after that, I stopped the truck at each difficult point to determine the best route on the trail and proceeded very slowly.
I will say that it is no fun to be dragging the underside of a new vehicle, but it seems to be no worse for the wear. The suspension was wonderful in absorbing rocks and holes. My last Ford Ranger had me bouncing so bad, I usually couldn't drive on the tougher roads. One complaint with the Toyota auto transmission/transfer case is that in 4WD Lo, 1st gear is not low enough for downhill crawling. I had to be on the brakes constantly. The DAC still allowed the vehcile to move too fast and I couldn't stand all the terrible noises it made, so I kept it mostly off.
The Michelin Cross Terrains held up to extreme abuse. The sidewalls of the tires were terribly marked up by the rock, but no flats. The 17" wheels were not damaged. I did drag the trailer hitch a couple of times in stream crossings and deep ruts across the trails, but no damage there either. Dirt and mud gets inside the rear door wells - this is a design flaw, but not a big deal. It will just take a bit more time to clean.
Elevations of 13,000 feet zapped the V6 engine of it's power (as would be expected). I floored it on a better stretch of trail and could barely feel acceleration (although it was significantly uphill). I can't imagine what it would be like when they tested the 4Runner on Mount Everest. No way could you spin the tires up there unless you were on very loose rock. However, the engine was flawless on the entire trip.
As far as traction was concerned, it was excellent. There were several places with significant snow and mud - no problem at all. The truck did slide slightly sideways a few times on steep downhill slippery wet rock.
All in all, it was a great trip and the 4Runner was superb. I am a bit concerned about the possiblity that I bent or damaged the skid plates (especially the tranmission plate), but it doesn't look like it. I was as careful as possible. I would have liked a couple more inches of clearance. The only other vehicles I saw on the most difficult part of Engineer Pass were Jeep Wranglers and an old Ford Bronco.
It's going to take me 4 hours to wash the truck tomorrow, but at least I got to experience the great capabliities of the 4Runner. IMO, the most wonderful scenery in the US is here in Colorado and the 4Runner is the way to see the best of it. Good luck to others as you enjoy where this truck can take you!
1) Please don't lump Chrysler in with the "Big 2". Chrysler is not an American company.
2) For the comments on making the 4 runner more "carlike" interior and 3rd row seating w/ more options?! Please buy something else! The 4Runner is designed to be a TRUCK! It is made for the 4x4 crowd in mind. More carlike interior? Wood? real 3rd row seats?Ugh. I think Toyota got the 4 runner just about perfect.
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maybe the remote signal is reseted when the battery is taken out and is operating at a different freq. than the car?...please help
If I am going to pay nearly $40k I want a more car-like (with wood grain accents, not cheesy granite looking accents) interior. Not a truck. I know there are those that like trucks, but in my mind Toyota is screwing up here. There are far more people who like a little comfort and aesthetics in the cockpit.
Plus, I just found out that if I want to get a third row seat (which I do) I can't get the JBL 10 speaker system. What the heck is up with that!!!
This truck is so close to being perfect, but suffers from a few fatal flaws. C'mon Toyota get it right!!
Unfortunately for a few of you, it sounds like your problem is much worse, and not the typical experience. And it definitely is concerning if CO is entering the cabin. That truly is a flaw, and if true, I would expect a recall.
On the positive side, the ability to "crop dust" the car behind you with a cloud of sulphur does appeal to my revengeful side. Beware to all those doing 45 mph on the highway while on the cell phone!
The sulfur smell is about a 2.5 for me. It's gotten bad only once or twice. It's a minor annoyance, but it wouldn't change my decision on the vehicle or prevent me from buying another one....
The 4Runner, and Toyota in general, have an excellent track record with respect to reliability and resale value. The Explorer is improved, but still is not on par with the 4Runner.
I agree with the "Re: Decisions (4Runner vs. Explorer)" post. One other thing is that when you return any car for repair, a courtesy car may not be available. With a Toyota, you can be confident in not even needing to purchase additional warranty coverage, unless you really need more peace of mind.
I, too, wasn't enthusiastic about the esthetics of the '03, either exterior or interior, at first. But after 18K miles, I've come to terms with the inside and now actually like it. The exterior styling I'll put up with to get all the traditional Toyota virtues, which are preserved in the '03 models.
Before making your decision, consider that if you adjust the price of the '98 for inflation, the '03 costs almost exactly the same. And for this money, you get a vastly improved vehicle with many, many worthwhile features the '98 never even thought of having. A real bargain, IMHO.
The '03s aren't perfect - no vehicle is. Mine's probably less so than yours would be, since I got an early-build '03 with the squeaky seats. But I have absolutely no regrets, and I'd do it all over again in a flash if need be.
Good luck.
-Karl
I'm concerned about the Sulfur Smell, I know some people recently have put things in perspective about it, but this is one of the major reasons I'm holding back. All The other TSB's look like they're not too big a deal to get fixed if encountered. I live in California (San Francisco Bay Area), so I'm not sure whether this is that big a deal out here or not. I've test driven two 4Runners so far, didn't notice any smell but also was not really looking for it. Everything else about them (engine, suspension, etc.) is to my liking.
Are there any changes coming between the '03 and '04, or will they basically be the same? Also, do you think the 2004 Runners will have the exact same problem, or maybe a little better and not so stinky? I'm thinking about getting an SR5 V6 model, possibly a Sport but I'm not planning on getting a V8 (I won't be towing anything and gas is pretty expensive here). Maybe a couple of trails here and there, and some snow conditions in the mountains too.
Thanks, I'd really appreciate any help/advice. I had narrowed my choices to a Tacoma 4x4 V6, but after researching the 4Runner and seeing a bunch around out here I'm really thinking that it's what I want. I've also considered a used one, but not sure about going down that route. Everyone says that once people buy one, they usually end up keeping it! I plan on putting about 20k down to get this thing btw, so hopefully I can get a good price.
In brief, my Explorer's transmission began acting up at the beginning of this summer, and prior to that it's transfer case and swaybar bushings had numerous problems that had to be repeatedly fixed. With regard to its tranny problems, it spent most of this summer shopped at a Ford "Blue Oval" dealer who soon proved to be unscrupulous, dishonest, sneaky, and inept. (Meanwhile, I was making large monthly payments on it, even though I couldn't drive it all summer). They NEVER fixed my truck properly, and in fact it was worse each time I got it back. Yet they always claimed they had fully repaired it! (Gee, I wonder what financial incentives they may have been interested in here?) Ford's Customer Service was of no help, and they never even placed a follow-up call to me this summer! Furthermore, I spoke directly with the General Mgr. of the involved Ford dealership about my summer-long ordeal at the hands of his service shop, and it quickly became clear that he too would be of no help whatsoever.
At any rate, after I got my Explorer back from that one Ford dealer for the 3rd time this summer and it was still not fixed, I made an appointment with another Ford dealership to have the problem assessed for a 4th time. But, while I was waiting for that appointment date, I decided to test drive the new 4Runner, and ended up buying my new 4Runner Limited that same day. My Toyota dealer accepted my Explorer in trade for $16,400.00 (generous!), and after they paid off the $18,000.00 I owed my credit union on the Explorer, I then paid the remaining outstanding balance out-of-pocket to finally be rid of that Ford for good, as well as to thoroughly wash my hands of Ford Motor Company, Inc. Trust me--I will never, ever buy another American vehicle.
And so, how does my 4Runner Ltd. compare to my previous Explorer? Well, you get what you pay for when it comes to Toyota. Yes, you will pay a premium for Toyota quality, reliability, attention to detail, and service; but you will also get a vehicle that inspires real pride and thrill of ownership. Furthermore, Toyota's higher end vehicles traditionally have excellent longevity along with high resale value. In contrast, I've come to view my previous Explorer as having been conceived and built as a "disposable" vehicle that began to fail and fall apart not long after 36,000 miles had elapsed! Hmmm...
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So, I traded the '00 Ford for a '02 Toyota Sport 4x4 (new). 2nd best vehicle I have ever owned. Never been to the shop other than scheduled maintenance. I liked it so much, I traded the '02 for a '03 Sport 4x4 V8. This is the best vehicle, not just SUV, that I have ever owned. Fit and finish are better than my BMW and MB. Drive is smooth and responsive and the interior is comfortable and spacious.
The Explorer (American cars in general) are disposable. American automobile manufacturers want you to buy another vehicle at 36K miles, or sooner. American cars are built to fall apart at 36K miles. Toyota's are built for people in the world who look at a vehicle purchase as a long term involvement, like buying a house, and are built to match that expectation. Have you noticied the Toyota's built in America are starting to have reliability issues?
Based on the American viewpoint of disposable and replaceable all automobiles built in America are designed and built to last 3 years or 36K miles. Buy a Toyota built in Japan and you will have a reliable, stable, value retaining investment for the next 7 to 10 years.
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Regardless of the MSRPs, you will save a bunch if you can find an 03 that you like. If you don't want a 3rd row and can live without the rear backup camera and tire pressure warning light, I'd be looking for an 03.
If you like the gey plastic cladding, you can save even more $.
Good luck.
To clarify your knowledge of the maintenance requirements of the honda vtm system...from what I understand the early change of the differential fluids is because they put an agent in the fluid to help break-in of the differential and extend the life. The second change and on is supposed to be at greater intervals.
If you go offroading in any vehicle (in my opinion including the 4runner)...you should have the transmission, differential and axle fluids changed more often than the regular maintenance interval on any vehicle (From water, dirt, breakdown, etc.) Not an inconvenience, just a routine maintenance item.
I bought the 4Runner bcuz I believe its the best in class. Skid plates are stock, it has 4WD low range, ground clearance is excellent, & it has a much more powerful engine than prior years models. My former '86 Camry & '86 SR5 PU belong to my sister & father respectively. Both have over 200k & their original drivetrains. My 4Runner replaced a Blazer which was a good vehicle for me, but it did see a fair amount of warranty work.
Concerning the Pilot, while I'm not in love with the 4Runners looks, I think the Pilot is extremely bland. To me, it's a minivan in disguise. I think the quality is on par with the 4runner. The deciding factors for me would revolve around intended use. If you're looking for a more sure-footed mini van, then get the pilot with the third row seat. If you want a more aggressive off road vehicle or need to tow, go with the 4runner. The Pilot is a car based crossover, while the 4runner is a full fledged 4x4 truck.
"2nd best vehicle I have ever owned. Never been to the shop other than scheduled maintenance. I liked it so much, I traded the '02 for a '03 Sport 4x4 V8."
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Let me get this straight you like a 02 so much you traded it in on a 03. What happens when you hate a vehicle?
The Chevy Trailblazer, which is a midsize SUV, is a POS mechanically and not the best built vehicle. The interior fit and finish were poor and looked dated ever since the first date it was built.
In the end, I purchased an 03 4Runner Limited with all the options for a good price and I am happy knowing that I won't be going to the shop for other than routine maintenance.
From my experience, I only smell the sulfur when the rear cargo window is opened. I can live with driving with it closed. Just make sure when you take a 4Runner for a test drive to try driving with the rear cargo window open and even have the nerve to ask the dealer what they know about it.
Concerning lemons, IMHO, all manufacturers have them and if you get one you are going to hate that company regardless (personal experience overrides consumer magazines), but the percentage of lemons appears to be higher in American and European manufacturers.
Of course, if you want to enhance your winter driving experience, switch to snow tires in due time.
Below is a map of reformulated gasoline areas, the scoop as that air quality is down in alot of other major cities, and the list of places requiring reformulated gasoline should grow significantly in the next few years........
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/r- eformulated_map.html
Duh, I don't buy the vehicle.
Most parts are usually readily available. Toyota has a excellent part distribution system. Nevertheless, Toyotas are very reliable and chances are you won't need anything than maintenance parts.
The 4x4 system is easy to use, durable, and very reliable. You should not have any problems in the snow, considering NYC doesn't receive very much snow in general. Also, the 4Runner has alot of ground clearance that is an asset in the deep snow.
I will say that it is no fun to be dragging the underside of a new vehicle, but it seems to be no worse for the wear. The suspension was wonderful in absorbing rocks and holes. My last Ford Ranger had me bouncing so bad, I usually couldn't drive on the tougher roads. One complaint with the Toyota auto transmission/transfer case is that in 4WD Lo, 1st gear is not low enough for downhill crawling. I had to be on the brakes constantly. The DAC still allowed the vehcile to move too fast and I couldn't stand all the terrible noises it made, so I kept it mostly off.
The Michelin Cross Terrains held up to extreme abuse. The sidewalls of the tires were terribly marked up by the rock, but no flats. The 17" wheels were not damaged. I did drag the trailer hitch a couple of times in stream crossings and deep ruts across the trails, but no damage there either. Dirt and mud gets inside the rear door wells - this is a design flaw, but not a big deal. It will just take a bit more time to clean.
Elevations of 13,000 feet zapped the V6 engine of it's power (as would be expected). I floored it on a better stretch of trail and could barely feel acceleration (although it was significantly uphill). I can't imagine what it would be like when they tested the 4Runner on Mount Everest. No way could you spin the tires up there unless you were on very loose rock. However, the engine was flawless on the entire trip.
As far as traction was concerned, it was excellent. There were several places with significant snow and mud - no problem at all. The truck did slide slightly sideways a few times on steep downhill slippery wet rock.
All in all, it was a great trip and the 4Runner was superb. I am a bit concerned about the possiblity that I bent or damaged the skid plates (especially the tranmission plate), but it doesn't look like it. I was as careful as possible. I would have liked a couple more inches of clearance. The only other vehicles I saw on the most difficult part of Engineer Pass were Jeep Wranglers and an old Ford Bronco.
It's going to take me 4 hours to wash the truck tomorrow, but at least I got to experience the great capabliities of the 4Runner. IMO, the most wonderful scenery in the US is here in Colorado and the 4Runner is the way to see the best of it. Good luck to others as you enjoy where this truck can take you!
BTW, I am sure they tested 4R with a V8 on Everest. I bet the mountain still stinks of sulfur :-)
2) For the comments on making the 4 runner more "carlike" interior and 3rd row seating w/ more options?! Please buy something else! The 4Runner is designed to be a TRUCK! It is made for the 4x4 crowd in mind. More carlike interior? Wood? real 3rd row seats?Ugh.
I think Toyota got the 4 runner just about perfect.