The programming instructions are in your owners manual. I did it & there are some quirks, but its works as intended. The doors will look as if they are still locked, but if you pull the door handle the door will open, but only from inside the vehicle. From outside of the vehicle the doors cannot be opened unless you hit the unlock button.
Buy your 4Runner. I'm in the Sacramento area & own a 2003 SR5 V6 4X4 that has no sulfur or exhaust smell that I can detect. You won't be disappointed. With few exceptions almost everything about the 4Runner is the best of the best, & the exhaust is not on my exception list.
It looks like Toyota is forcing buyers who want side & curtain airbags to buy Limited. It is ludicrous. I am not buying a 2004 4Runner because it doesn't have this. It had everything else I wanted.
I like my 03 2wd v6 very much, as anyone would their new car that doesn't show significant problems. I'll state again that i don't smell sulfur anymore since my first day, and that was only because I had the rr window down for my dog. I attribute that to breakin of the cats(4). If you do buy soon, just call the dealers and ask for the fleet manager or internet manager. They will give you 1 price and 1 price only, which is very often the lowest price they are willing to sell the vehicle for. If i were to do it again, I'd look at the paper for the low ads, call santa cruz and ask them to match it. I bought mine in Sunnyvale and got a good price, but boy did they end up giving me the run around.
It seems that the reason few dealers are stocking SR5's with side airbags is that few people are requesting them. Toyota says fewer than 25% of people buy them so they only put them on 25% of 4Runners. Of course, if only 25% of the 4Runners have them, only 25% of the customers CAN buy them.... From watching this forum for several months, it certainly appears that few people put a priority on the 50% increase in survivability in t-bone crashes that the side airbags give. My impression from reading this forum is that very few proud new owners list air bags among their list of options on their new trucks.
That said, dealers in the DC area always have a few SR5's with airbags around (I have not been watching for sports with airbags). Just checked the 355 Toyota website and they have two 2003 SR5's with airbags in stock. I am looking to buy in the next few months, and since I will not even consider anything without side airbags, I have been keeping an eye out for these.
Basically, if you value safety options you are going to be in the (25%) minority of 4Runner buyers, so just accept it and hunt a little harder. I try to think about it as I would think about a sunroof or any other option. At least you have the option with the 4Runner.
I've seen a few posts around by new 4runner owners of the 2WD model. I never really understood the attraction of a car-based SUV, but I sure don't understand a 2WD 4Runner (or is it 2Runner?). This isn't a dig, I'm just curious. Any opinions?
Sorry to start off negative but I am getting ready to purchase and am quite disappointed in my options on the 4-Runner.
I do not like that fact that the SR5 does not come with a in-dash CD Changer and in order to get one I have to buy the Sport which has the dull side "cladding". I don't need all the bells and whitsles of the Sport or Limited. I wouldn't mind spending a little more money on the sport.. the hood scoop is kind of snazzy... but those sides are horrible! I am told that you can not get a Sport with paint matched Cladding. I just wish Toyota would have been a little more flexible in their options and models.
puckyhuddle, I suspect that some folks like the size and general functionality of the 4Runner and may want to tow stuff (2WD models can even tow slightly heavier loads than the 4WD), but don't anticipate needing the extra traction. For them, they get lower purchase price, (probably) better reliability due to fewer driveline parts, and a tougher vehicle than the car-based SUVs. Of course, those are the purely rational reasons...
ohello, I wanted the side airbags, but never saw even one SR5 in this area that had them. Given the height and mass of this vehicle (reducing the injury potential in side impacts), and the relative infrequency of severe side impact crashes, I was/am willing to take the risk. I didn't want all the extra "stuff" and $4k price bump that came with limited models. As far as the tradeoffs between safety and other factors, everybody draws the line at a point that seems sensible to them.
I completely agree about choices. Everyone makes their own, and that is more than fine with me. Perhaps the most important point that I wanted to make is that there are SR5's out there with airbags and if you have the time and persistence you can find them. I am resigned to a custom order, or at least a long dealer search, to find what I want. Airbags are less of an issue to most people than sunroofs - so if they are important to you, it is easier to just accept that fact and hunt for what you want. (I am referring primarily to post #7777 and others like that in the past - there is no need to get angry and it is likely easier to just get persistent.) I may just be lucky to be in a region that has the airbags, but if I were not I would happily travel to another to have the airbags for the next 12+ years.
For what it is worth, a friend of mine was t-boned. The car did not touch him, but his head hit the driver's side window and he was in bad shape with a closed head injury for a very long time. The window and/or pillar is always there regardless of vehicle height, and this is what I see the curtain airbag protecting you from. So that is my experience that is forming my decision. As you said, everyone has their own comfort level, and even without the airbags the 4Runner looks to be as safe as most. Best of luck.
Thanks for the tip about 355 Toyota. I am in NJ, so they would be quiet a trek. But I am going to investigate what they got. There is no way in hell would I consider buying this vehicle without at the least side aribags, if not curtains. I was told that the NY/NJ/CT/DE/RI dealers didn't get any with the airbags unless we want to go to v8 Limited.
My 2003 SR5 came equipped with side curtain air bags, as well as leather wrapped steering/shift, Double Deck Cargo (which I could care less about) the 17" wheels/tires and a host of other options. (ironically, there were no running boards!) Seems that short of leather seating and NAV system, they outfitted it as close to a limited as they could. (it was the showroom model)
The SPORT does not come with unpainted side cladding anymore. They stopped that a long time ago. If you are looking at one that has it, it is an early production model.
I have a SPORT w/ all-painted. NO 4 runner has unpainted cladding anymore. They all come painted.
yomols - the intructions are in the manual and even though it was a bit tricky, it does work as advertised. You must follow the intructions exactly though. Canddmeyer - in my 4Runner, the doors lock when shifting out of park and unlock when shifting into park. The lock knobs actually flip with the shifts. If I remember right, there may be several options for locking, and yours must be set only to lock automatically, but not unlock. The doors will unlock by pulling the inside handle.
On my BMW the doors will lock automatically at 5 mph, but do not unlock. You have to pull the handle twice to get out. It's a pain to do this, but it's a great car for a first date. Just look at the face of the girl when she tries to open the door with one pull and it won't open! And there is no button to unlock the door or no power switch. I use it as an ice-breaker; unfortunately some women don't find it very amusing! Hmmm....think there is any correlation to my lack of second dates?
By the way, on my car, the doors automatically unlock after a few seconds, in the event of a collision, the 4 ways come on, and the interior lights come on, so emergency folks can get you out if you are unconscious. I don't know how the 4Runner works, but I wouldn't want to be in a burning vehicle, out cold, and not have a good samaritan be able to open my door. Something to think about.
I recently purchased a 4Runner. The service manager told me that if I lost both master keys that they could not be replaced. The only solution is to replace the cars computer at a cost between $3,500 and $4,000. He suggested I purchase a master key to be kept in a safe place. The cost of the master key would be $110. Am I being scamed or what?
I have considerable experience with many Zaino products, and I made it a high priority to apply Zaino products to my new 4Runner within a week of bringing it home. If you want to do it right, you should plan to leave the truck in your garage for ~1.5 days, and it's wise to buy a fair number of white Fieldcrest or Cannon bath towels, hand towels, and wash cloths-- designate these towels as being only for detailing and washing/drying your vehicle(s). Also, I use two sets of tripod mounted, twin high-intensity halogen work lights so I can see exactly what I'm doing.
I started out by thoroughly washing the truck with Zaino car wash soap, followed by careful drying. Next, I applied the Polish Pre-Lok (do not remove this Pre-Lok); next, I applied and wiped off the new Z-5 (as a base coat, if you will). Next, I applied and wiped off TWO coats of Z-2 polish (for clear coated finishes). Be aware of the humidity and temp. conditions when embarking on this project, and don't remove these polishes until they wipe off effortlessly. If they feel at all tacky, they're not yet dry. (But the heat from the halogen work lights will speed drying times, as will the new ZFX, which I haven't yet tried.)
Notes: 1) When applying the Pre-Lok, Z-5, and Z-2, be sure to keep your applicator lightly moistened with Zaino's Gloss Enhancer spray. Each time you add more creamy Pre-Lok, or polish (sparingly) to the applicator, first spritz a bit more Gloss Enhancer spray onto the applicator. 2) Zaino Pre-Lok and polishes can and should be applied to the lenses of headlights, tail lights, fog lamp lenses, plastic panels, etc. The results are stunning. When wiping off each coat of Zaino polish, there will be no powdery residue to foul the glass, and if you accidentally get these polishes on the auto glass, they won't foul the glass like most other products will. Still, keep it off the glass if possible. 3) Zaino's Tire Gloss is superior to silicon based tire/rubber/vinyl dressings, and it should be used to dress the tires, mud flaps, running boards, engine compartment detailing, etc. Do NOT use this tire dressing on the interior of the vehicle, since it may fog the interior glass. Instead, apply Zaino's Leather Conditioner to dress your interior dashboard, vinyl etc. 4) Use the same (wonderful smelling) leather conditioner on all interior leather and non-optical plastic.
A few additional suggestions: 1) I applied two coats of Scotchgard to all of the new (and clean) carpeting, as well as to the roof liner fabric. 2) I removed and stored the carpeted mats, and then installed color-matched Husky floor liners throughout the truck, including the aft cargo space. (These floor liners are really overpriced, but they are highly functional, protective, easy to remove and clean, and they look good if you don't mind not seeing and feeling the floor carpeting that's being protected. 3) Beware that with most modern vehicles, the lenses covering the instrument gauges will easily scratch if not cleaned properly. Avoid any type of ammonia-based window glass cleaner; instead, try using photographic lens type cleaning products, such as compressed gas, as well as using an optically safe microfiber (photographic )lens cloth moistened with a little photographic lens cleaning solution. Do not press hard or wipe vigorously. Instead, be gentle, and take your time. 4) When washing the truck, use Zaino's car wash as directed on the label, and do NOT use Dawn as a detergent on new, virgin finishes. Dawn will remove Zaino, and should be cautiously used only if you're removing some other polish or sealant in preparation for Zaino products. If this is the case, wash with Dawn and RINSE thoroughly, then wash again with Zaino car wash solution before proceeding further with Zaino products. 5) Remember those expensive white Fieldcrest towels you bought for this project? Well, when you launder them, do NOT use any type of in-washer or in-dryer fabric softener, since these products contain lipids, perfumes, etc. that can interfere with the magic of Zaino. Also, I keep my dedicated "truck" towels in a large Rubbermaid bin (with lid) to keep them separate from shop rags, household towels, etc. 6) While Zaino'd finishes are tough and gorgeous, they are not invincible, so when you see bird poop, tree sap, or other such caustic gunk on your finish, properly remove it ASAP, and if you've had to use a solvent or tar remover, wash the truck and re-treat the involved panels with Zaino at your earliest convenience. 7) Consider using a windshield "sun visor" when parking the truck in the sun, to prevent dashboard fading, cracking, shrinkage, UV-sun damage to leather, etc. These things are cheap, take only a moment to put in place, and greatly help to keep the vehicle's interior cooler during sunny weather. 8) If you want to keep the exterior and interior of your truck in top condition, plan on detailing the truck with Zaino products (and maybe Scotchgard, as needed) every six months, e.g., each spring and fall season. 9) Unlike waxes and many other products, Zaino's products don't cause optically degrading "build-up" and don't require periodic stripping followed by starting over (unless your vehicle's finish has been damaged by something really nasty, and you need to clean-up and start anew).
In summary, it has ben my experience that Zaino products are simply the BEST currently available, PERIOD! However, they do require a fair amount of time, some mild physical labor, and above all, attention to detail and a willingness to follow directions... about every 6 months or so. If this doesn't appeal to you, then look elsewhere. However, if you're up to this relatively pain-free detailing process (which I find to be relaxing and therapeutic), then after you've completed the project it doesn't get much better than to sit in your garage to admire and gock at the fruits of your labors, while sipping your favorite beverage. After completing the Zaino detailing process, your pride of ownership and driving pleasures will really be kicked-up a few notches, and your truck will have the best detailing on the planet!
I, too, have been looking for a 4Runner with side air bags. Also want X-REAS. [Thus, at least a Sport.] Both seem like quite reasonable, sound options. Those two options simply create a safe, good ride. A no brainer?
It's looking like either I'll need to spend an extra 4-5 K on a Limited [with its extra optional goodies] or do a special order, unless someone knows where such a vehicle could be located. I'd be willing to go get it, of course. [I'm in Virginia - Central Atlantic region.]
The 4 runner comes with 2 regular keys, 2 remotes and a valet key. All 3 keys come with a chip inside to match the ECU.
If it did cost $4K to replace everything your insurance would cover it. I think there are other ways to replace your keys though, Do you really think you will loose 3 keys?
rustwrong, I think you're getting some partly-faulty information from an "expert" at the dealership. Yes, new keys cost about $100 total. $50 for the key with the transponder chip inside, and $50 for the dealer to use one of his Toyota hand-held testers and perform a multi-step dance to train the vehicle's engine immobilizer computer to recognize the new key. To do this, they also need to have one functioning master key. The valet key will start the vehicle, but it won't work for this programming. If you lose both of your masters (the black ones; the grey one is the valet) you'll have to get a new immobilizer module (not the main computer module) and have keys programmed. This has been reported to cost several hundred dollars, but not several thousand!
kheintz1, thanks for a post that shows the dedication of a real car finish enthusiast and provides some contrast with the more modest shine ambitions of most of the rest of us. One real benefit of the Zaino products is that you can get a very good shine and protection that lasts much longer than most waxes even if you just do a good cleaning job and a single coat of Zaino. Zaino stuff really is different from the typical waxes, and I can recommend the ZFX "accelerator" as a way to improve the speed of the whole process, especially if you want to do 2 or more coats.
Finally, I would also second the suggestion of using one of the windshield sun visors of some kind. They really do help, both in terms of comfort and avoiding the aging/fading effects of the sun. Perhaps surprisingly (it was a surprise to the parts guy at one local Toyota dealership), you just need the regular-sized sun visors. The big ones made for trucks and minivans are too big. The 4Runner windshield is a little wide, but not particularly tall.
Puckyhuddle, you ask a good question. Why buy a 2WD. I ordered a 2WD V8 Ltd. Had to do the order to get xreas.
I'll use the vehicle for commuting to work, hauling 2 kids and a wife around town, and trips to the mountains for camping and skiing. Truth, be told, I do all these things with no problems right now in our Sienna. I just got to the point where I want a more masculine vehicle. I drove the 4Runner and loved the feel of it, especialy the oomph of the V8.
I thought about the 4WD, but in So-Cal, I have never found myself in need of it. When I go off-roading, it's always on foot. I also priced the insurance and found it's about doubled with the 4WD.
I think if it was not for the increased cost of insurance, I'd probably get the 4WD just for the cool factor and to know I could go just about anywhere in it. But the reality is that the worst roads I'll be on will be snow-plowed for ski trips, or maybe some bumpy dirt roads. I'll be glad then to have my 2Runner instead of the Sienna. I'll also enjoy it everyday communting on the streets and freeways of Los Angeles.
Does anyone know of a place where I can find a detailed write-up on the '03/'04 4Runner navigation system? If there isn't a place, will somebody please provide this information?
In addition to the basic information, I'm specifically interested in any changes to the '04 system besides the publicized back-up camera. Does anyone know if the '04 version is currently or can be (with a firmware update) XM or Sirius capable (Like the new system in the Solara)? Does the '04 version support the 5 million points of interest (like the new system in the Solara) or the current 2 million? Are the points of interest part of the DVD updates (if they are, would the '03 system support 5 million data points with an update?) Anyway... Any information would be appreciated... For a good example of what I'm looking for, check this site out for Jeep's RB1 system...
I have some experience using Collinite Fleetwax #885, and can recommend it highly. It requires a clean finish to begin with, it's not a cleaner and does not have (to my knowledge) a family of cleaner products.
What you get is a extremely glossy surface with superior resistance to all kinds of substances, and the main benefit being a very durable and lasting wax. I have found you do not have to wax more than twice a year, I live in the Northeast so primarily you want to protect your finish from the foul winter weather and the accompanying roadsalt.
When you order the car, don't let the dealer prep it. At least don't let them do the cleaning prep. You know lots of lot techs peel the protective plastic off and hose down the new cars, use dirty sponges and rags on them, and maybe even take a buffer to the new paint. No wonder we all have swirls.
And yes, some people actually require this of the dealer.
I had a really tough time deciding 2wd or 4wd. I went to buy a 4wd, but they didn't have what i wanted and that helped make my 2wd decision easier.
4wd is easier to sell later good for skiing AWD is safe in rain
-2wd is simplier, less to go wrong, lower maint -better mpg -$2k less -less ins -faster -my last 2 trucks/suv were 4wd, but i never used it in 4wd in almost 9 yrs -i do go skiing, but only 1-2x/yr when snow is on road -rest of skiing is spring skiing, where a car will even do -the most i'll do is a dirt road with some holes or rocks
I honestly bought it for the rear window. Otherwise, RX. Touareg/Cayenne or MDX was my clear winner.
So Steve, would you suggest just to tell the dealer to not touch the car, just leave it as-is (not even wash it?), and that you'll take care of it? I hadn't thought of the fact that the dealer could put some swirl marks in it.
Depends on you feelings about your paint I guess. I wouldn't bother, but deferred maintenance has a lot of appeal to me. My cars are lucky to get washed twice a year as it is, once that initial newness buzz wears off.
But if you intend to go Zaino or similar, why let anyone else touch the finish?
I have the JBL system in my new 03 4Runner. I thought I would be happy with it but I am not. I am interested in installing aftermarket speakers and some other components. Does anyone know what size all of the speakers are? I have the 10 speaker system. 1 in the front dash, 2 small and 2 large in the front doors, 2 in the back doors, 2 small in the rear cargo area, and 1 subwoofer (i think) also in the cargo area. I am assuming that the small ones in the cargo area and the front doors are tweeters. Any thoughts? Thanks
Anybody interested in a good dealer in So Cal go to Longo Toyota. I nego. a great deal for a 4runner SE 2wd w/everything. Total out the door was $31400.
I agree. Crutchfield is a great resource, but they can be a little pricey. They do provide great technical support though.
Unfortunately, After checking out their website (crutchfield.com), they don't have specifications for speakers that fit the 03 or 04 4runner at the present time. I would check back from time to time.
The other option you have is to manually measure the speakers yourself. It's a pain, but if you are in a rush, go to it. Good luck
I went to buyatoyota.com and there is little choice of option packages listed as available. Can you special order a 2004 SR5 2WD V6 with side curtain airbags, JBL 6-disc in dash stereo, moonroof and pick your color? If so, how long do special orders normally take?
I kind of like the navigation system, but having to upgrade to Limited makes it way too expensive
Also, since I would not be towing or ever carrying more than 5 onboard since I won't have the optional third row child-sized seating (therefore not needing maximum torque), and the V6 actually has more horsepower than the V8, is the V6 a better engine for owners not needing to tow a trailer? Is either quieter than the other?
Based upon a recommendation from jaredmsd (see his earlier posts regarding the order process), I orginally placed an order with Carson Toyota for $500 over invoice. But I had a change of heart three weeks later about the color (white to Galactic Grey). I asked if I could change colors, they said no way. I asked if I could put a new order in. They said, sure, but it will be $1,000 over invoice. I suspect that may have been because the new order would put me in a 2004 model, but who knows. I said no thanks, drove over to South Bay Toyota and put in a new order for the grey for $500 over invoice. I've got a couple weeks to wait before it arrives.
Because you can check on the Carson inventory online (Carsontoyota.com), I know my white 4Runner came in about 4 months after I placed the order, just as they said it would.
Jaresmsd highly recommended Carson Toyota for the build order. They seem to be willing and competent at it, as long as you can make up you mind about what you want. I'd probably recommend Carson given it's track record.
I called on Longo, Torrance, and Downtown LA. They don't do build orders.
I agree that side air bags and curtains should be in more 4-Runners on dealer lots. I am one of those who will be in the market soon and won't buy any vehicle without side airbags and curtains or without stability control. I have not seen one SR-5 in dealer inventory with the side airbags/curtains option (New Orleans, Baton Rouge, MS Gulf Coast area). While I think this is a terrible mistake, the only alternative is to special order. It is unlikely I would find the exact vehicle I want anyway (white 2WD SR-5 with side airbags/curtains, JBL w/out the 6-disc changer, leather steering wheel and anti-theft alarm, and no other options). I would imagine if those wanting 4-Runners and side airbags pass over those in dealer inventories without side air bags and insist upon ordering 4-Runners with them, then an ever higher percentage of 4-Runners will be built at the factory that way, perhaps eventually becoming standard equipment.
I'm planning to buy a 2004 4Runner. Went to one dealer and they only had 2 2003 left and no 2004's (expecting by mid-October). I'm in upstate NY.
One option that I wanted is leather in a SR5. When I go to the Toyota web site they don't list this as an option. Does anyone know if this is possible? Special order only? How about color, is it only the "oak leather" available?
Leather is not available through the manufacturer for the SR5 or Sport. I do not know if you can even special order through the manufacturer. You can obtain leather as an aftermarket accessory through the dealer. They outsource this work with shops in your area. The two leading companies providing leather and heated seats are Katzkin and Classic Soft Trim. The cost ranges between $1500 - $2,000 for leather and heated seats. The color options are limitless. See their websites www.katzkin.com and www.classicsofttrim.com for more info.
rbfhome: The Limited version comes with standard leather. Factory leather is not available on SE nor Sport. You could get aftermarket leather, of course...
While searching other zip codes to see if there were SR-5s with side air bags, I plugged in Miami's zip code on the Toyota.com site and when I asked to see White or Silver SR5s (2WD) several of the 2004s in stock state that they have the leather seat option. I am not saying that the 2 prior postings are incorrect; just reporting what I saw that originated from Toyota's own website. If you want to give that a try and need more specifics, let me know.
I have heard that the 04 Sport Interior is a different color then the charcoal 03 color. The brochure says charcoal, but one dealer told me that it is different. Has any one seen the interior of an 04 Sport. Can you tell me if it is still the 03 charcoal color. Or is it a lighter gray.
I am going to get a 4Runner Limited 2wd V6 this week. I originally wanted the side curtain airbags, X-REAS and the JBL stereo, but apparently with the 2004's, you either have to get the sunroof, 3rd row seat, or special order. Not wanting to give up the cargo room, we will opt to get the sunroof as opposed to ordering from the factory.
Anyway, I have a few last questions. I am getting the truck for $300 over invoice. I was talking to the salesman and he seemed to like the Toyoguard, and I was surprised to see that the invoice price was only around $250, if I remember correctly. I'm planning on doing the whole Zaino wash wax deal to keep this black truck looking as good as possible. Is there any opinions for the Toyoguard as to whether the paint sealer would affect anything with the Zaino? I have to admit, I usually steer clear from those Toyoguard type of options, but I started thinking since it was only a few hundred bucks.
Also, has anyone had any experience with installing a wood dash in the Limited, over the carbon fiber looking stuff? The new look is ok, but I feel that we're going to get tired of it quite easy, and the wife is thinking about a new Mercedes C230 or C320 sport, which both of these models have the same interior as the 4Runner.
Also, does anyone know of any other good car audio/video forums where you can go explore the options and possibilities of adding a DVD entertainment system?
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I like my 03 2wd v6 very much, as anyone would their new car that doesn't show significant problems.
I'll state again that i don't smell sulfur anymore since my first day, and that was only because I had the rr window down for my dog. I attribute that to breakin of the cats(4).
If you do buy soon, just call the dealers and ask for the fleet manager or internet manager. They will give you 1 price and 1 price only, which is very often the lowest price they are willing to sell the vehicle for.
If i were to do it again, I'd look at the paper for the low ads, call santa cruz and ask them to match it. I bought mine in Sunnyvale and got a good price, but boy did they end up giving me the run around.
That said, dealers in the DC area always have a few SR5's with airbags around (I have not been watching for sports with airbags). Just checked the 355 Toyota website and they have two 2003 SR5's with airbags in stock. I am looking to buy in the next few months, and since I will not even consider anything without side airbags, I have been keeping an eye out for these.
Basically, if you value safety options you are going to be in the (25%) minority of 4Runner buyers, so just accept it and hunt a little harder. I try to think about it as I would think about a sunroof or any other option. At least you have the option with the 4Runner.
I do not like that fact that the SR5 does not come with a in-dash CD Changer and in order to get one I have to buy the Sport which has the dull side "cladding". I don't need all the bells and whitsles of the Sport or Limited. I wouldn't mind spending a little more money on the sport.. the hood scoop is kind of snazzy... but those sides are horrible! I am told that you can not get a Sport with paint matched Cladding. I just wish Toyota would have been a little more flexible in their options and models.
ohello, I wanted the side airbags, but never saw even one SR5 in this area that had them. Given the height and mass of this vehicle (reducing the injury potential in side impacts), and the relative infrequency of severe side impact crashes, I was/am willing to take the risk. I didn't want all the extra "stuff" and $4k price bump that came with limited models. As far as the tradeoffs between safety and other factors, everybody draws the line at a point that seems sensible to them.
For what it is worth, a friend of mine was t-boned. The car did not touch him, but his head hit the driver's side window and he was in bad shape with a closed head injury for a very long time. The window and/or pillar is always there regardless of vehicle height, and this is what I see the curtain airbag protecting you from. So that is my experience that is forming my decision. As you said, everyone has their own comfort level, and even without the airbags the 4Runner looks to be as safe as most. Best of luck.
I have a SPORT w/ all-painted. NO 4 runner has unpainted cladding anymore. They all come painted.
On my BMW the doors will lock automatically at 5 mph, but do not unlock. You have to pull the handle twice to get out. It's a pain to do this, but it's a great car for a first date. Just look at the face of the girl when she tries to open the door with one pull and it won't open! And there is no button to unlock the door or no power switch. I use it as an ice-breaker; unfortunately some women don't find it very amusing! Hmmm....think there is any correlation to my lack of second dates?
By the way, on my car, the doors automatically unlock after a few seconds, in the event of a collision, the 4 ways come on, and the interior lights come on, so emergency folks can get you out if you are unconscious. I don't know how the 4Runner works, but I wouldn't want to be in a burning vehicle, out cold, and not have a good samaritan be able to open my door. Something to think about.
I started out by thoroughly washing the truck with Zaino car wash soap, followed by careful drying. Next, I applied the Polish Pre-Lok (do not remove this Pre-Lok); next, I applied and wiped off the new Z-5 (as a base coat, if you will). Next, I applied and wiped off TWO coats of Z-2 polish (for clear coated finishes). Be aware of the humidity and temp. conditions when embarking on this project, and don't remove these polishes until they wipe off effortlessly. If they feel at all tacky, they're not yet dry. (But the heat from the halogen work lights will speed drying times, as will the new ZFX, which I haven't yet tried.)
Notes: 1) When applying the Pre-Lok, Z-5, and Z-2, be sure to keep your applicator lightly moistened with Zaino's Gloss Enhancer spray. Each time you add more creamy Pre-Lok, or polish (sparingly) to the applicator, first spritz a bit more Gloss Enhancer spray onto the applicator. 2) Zaino Pre-Lok and polishes can and should be applied to the lenses of headlights, tail lights, fog lamp lenses, plastic panels, etc. The results are stunning. When wiping off each coat of Zaino polish, there will be no powdery residue to foul the glass, and if you accidentally get these polishes on the auto glass, they won't foul the glass like most other products will. Still, keep it off the glass if possible. 3) Zaino's Tire Gloss is superior to silicon based tire/rubber/vinyl dressings, and it should be used to dress the tires, mud flaps, running boards, engine compartment detailing, etc. Do NOT use this tire dressing on the interior of the vehicle, since it may fog the interior glass. Instead, apply Zaino's Leather Conditioner to dress your interior dashboard, vinyl etc. 4) Use the same (wonderful smelling) leather conditioner on all interior leather and non-optical plastic.
A few additional suggestions: 1) I applied two coats of Scotchgard to all of the new (and clean) carpeting, as well as to the roof liner fabric. 2) I removed and stored the carpeted mats, and then installed color-matched Husky floor liners throughout the truck, including the aft cargo space. (These floor liners are really overpriced, but they are highly functional, protective, easy to remove and clean, and they look good if you don't mind not seeing and feeling the floor carpeting that's being protected. 3) Beware that with most modern vehicles, the lenses covering the instrument gauges will easily scratch if not cleaned properly. Avoid any type of ammonia-based window glass cleaner; instead, try using photographic lens type cleaning products, such as compressed gas, as well as using an optically safe microfiber (photographic )lens cloth moistened with a little photographic lens cleaning solution. Do not press hard or wipe vigorously. Instead, be gentle, and take your time. 4) When washing the truck, use Zaino's car wash as directed on the label, and do NOT use Dawn as a detergent on new, virgin finishes. Dawn will remove Zaino, and should be cautiously used only if you're removing some other polish or sealant in preparation for Zaino products. If this is the case, wash with Dawn and RINSE thoroughly, then wash again with Zaino car wash solution before proceeding further with Zaino products. 5) Remember those expensive white Fieldcrest towels you bought for this project? Well, when you launder them, do NOT use any type of in-washer or in-dryer fabric softener, since these products contain lipids, perfumes, etc. that can interfere with the magic of Zaino. Also, I keep my dedicated "truck" towels in a large Rubbermaid bin (with lid) to keep them separate from shop rags, household towels, etc. 6) While Zaino'd finishes are tough and gorgeous, they are not invincible, so when you see bird poop, tree sap, or other such caustic gunk on your finish, properly remove it ASAP, and if you've had to use a solvent or tar remover, wash the truck and re-treat the involved panels with Zaino at your earliest convenience. 7) Consider using a windshield "sun visor" when parking the truck in the sun, to prevent dashboard fading, cracking, shrinkage, UV-sun damage to leather, etc. These things are cheap, take only a moment to put in place, and greatly help to keep the vehicle's interior cooler during sunny weather. 8) If you want to keep the exterior and interior of your truck in top condition, plan on detailing the truck with Zaino products (and maybe Scotchgard, as needed) every six months, e.g., each spring and fall season. 9) Unlike waxes and many other products, Zaino's products don't cause optically degrading "build-up" and don't require periodic stripping followed by starting over (unless your vehicle's finish has been damaged by something really nasty, and you need to clean-up and start anew).
In summary, it has ben my experience that Zaino products are simply the BEST currently available, PERIOD! However, they do require a fair amount of time, some mild physical labor, and above all, attention to detail and a willingness to follow directions... about every 6 months or so. If this doesn't appeal to you, then look elsewhere. However, if you're up to this relatively pain-free detailing process (which I find to be relaxing and therapeutic), then after you've completed the project it doesn't get much better than to sit in your garage to admire and gock at the fruits of your labors, while sipping your favorite beverage. After completing the Zaino detailing process, your pride of ownership and driving pleasures will really be kicked-up a few notches, and your truck will have the best detailing on the planet!
It's looking like either I'll need to spend an extra 4-5 K on a Limited [with its extra optional goodies] or do a special order, unless someone knows where such a vehicle could be located. I'd be willing to go get it, of course. [I'm in Virginia - Central Atlantic region.]
If it did cost $4K to replace everything your insurance would cover it. I think there are other ways to replace your keys though,
Do you really think you will loose 3 keys?
kheintz1, thanks for a post that shows the dedication of a real car finish enthusiast and provides some contrast with the more modest shine ambitions of most of the rest of us. One real benefit of the Zaino products is that you can get a very good shine and protection that lasts much longer than most waxes even if you just do a good cleaning job and a single coat of Zaino. Zaino stuff really is different from the typical waxes, and I can recommend the ZFX "accelerator" as a way to improve the speed of the whole process, especially if you want to do 2 or more coats.
Finally, I would also second the suggestion of using one of the windshield sun visors of some kind. They really do help, both in terms of comfort and avoiding the aging/fading effects of the sun. Perhaps surprisingly (it was a surprise to the parts guy at one local Toyota dealership), you just need the regular-sized sun visors. The big ones made for trucks and minivans are too big. The 4Runner windshield is a little wide, but not particularly tall.
I'll use the vehicle for commuting to work, hauling 2 kids and a wife around town, and trips to the mountains for camping and skiing. Truth, be told, I do all these things with no problems right now in our Sienna. I just got to the point where I want a more masculine vehicle. I drove the 4Runner and loved the feel of it, especialy the oomph of the V8.
I thought about the 4WD, but in So-Cal, I have never found myself in need of it. When I go off-roading, it's always on foot. I also priced the insurance and found it's about doubled with the 4WD.
I think if it was not for the increased cost of insurance, I'd probably get the 4WD just for the cool factor and to know I could go just about anywhere in it. But the reality is that the worst roads I'll be on will be snow-plowed for ski trips, or maybe some bumpy dirt roads. I'll be glad then to have my 2Runner instead of the Sienna. I'll also enjoy it everyday communting on the streets and freeways of Los Angeles.
Thanks for asking.
In addition to the basic information, I'm specifically interested in any changes to the '04 system besides the publicized back-up camera. Does anyone know if the '04 version is currently or can be (with a firmware update) XM or Sirius capable (Like the new system in the Solara)? Does the '04 version support the 5 million points of interest (like the new system in the Solara) or the current 2 million? Are the points of interest part of the DVD updates (if they are, would the '03 system support 5 million data points with an update?) Anyway... Any information would be appreciated... For a good example of what I'm looking for, check this site out for Jeep's RB1 system...
http://www.wjjeeps.com/nav.htm#FEATURES
Thanks!
What you get is a extremely glossy surface with superior resistance to all kinds of substances, and the main benefit being a very durable and lasting wax. I have found you do not have to wax more than twice a year, I live in the Northeast so primarily you want to protect your finish from the foul winter weather and the accompanying roadsalt.
When you order the car, don't let the dealer prep it. At least don't let them do the cleaning prep. You know lots of lot techs peel the protective plastic off and hose down the new cars, use dirty sponges and rags on them, and maybe even take a buffer to the new paint. No wonder we all have swirls.
And yes, some people actually require this of the dealer.
Steve, Host
In fact, I like to take a clay bar to a new car and get any rail dust spots or other gunk off it and put wax on it right away.
For lots more detailing tips, see:
Store Bought Waxes Part II (No Zaino Posts)
and
Zaino Car Polishes/Products--Your Experiences (Part 2)
Steve, Host
4wd is easier to sell later
good for skiing
AWD is safe in rain
-2wd is simplier, less to go wrong, lower maint
-better mpg
-$2k less
-less ins
-faster
-my last 2 trucks/suv were 4wd, but i never used it in 4wd in almost 9 yrs
-i do go skiing, but only 1-2x/yr when snow is on road
-rest of skiing is spring skiing, where a car will even do
-the most i'll do is a dirt road with some holes or rocks
I honestly bought it for the rear window. Otherwise, RX. Touareg/Cayenne or MDX was my clear winner.
To each his own.
Aaron
But if you intend to go Zaino or similar, why let anyone else touch the finish?
Steve, Host
Thanks
Granted, you might not want to buy your stuff from there, but I'd bet they can tell you what sizes all of the speakers are.
Aaron
Unfortunately, After checking out their website (crutchfield.com), they don't have specifications for speakers that fit the 03 or 04 4runner at the present time. I would check back from time to time.
The other option you have is to manually measure the speakers yourself. It's a pain, but if you are in a rush, go to it. Good luck
Can you special order a 2004 SR5 2WD V6 with side curtain airbags, JBL 6-disc in dash stereo, moonroof and pick your color?
If so, how long do special orders normally take?
I kind of like the navigation system, but having to upgrade to Limited makes it way too expensive
Also, since I would not be towing or ever carrying more than 5 onboard since I won't have the optional third row child-sized seating (therefore not needing maximum torque), and the V6 actually has more horsepower than the V8, is the V6 a better engine for owners not needing to tow a trailer? Is either quieter than the other?
Because you can check on the Carson inventory online (Carsontoyota.com), I know my white 4Runner came in about 4 months after I placed the order, just as they said it would.
Jaresmsd highly recommended Carson Toyota for the build order. They seem to be willing and competent at it, as long as you can make up you mind about what you want. I'd probably recommend Carson given it's track record.
I called on Longo, Torrance, and Downtown LA. They don't do build orders.
Good Luck.
I'm planning to buy a 2004 4Runner. Went to one dealer and they only had 2 2003 left and no 2004's (expecting by mid-October). I'm in upstate NY.
One option that I wanted is leather in a SR5. When I go to the Toyota web site they don't list this as an option. Does anyone know if this is possible? Special order only? How about color, is it only the "oak leather" available?
Thanks!
Also, only the Limited has heated seats.
Thanks.
I am going to get a 4Runner Limited 2wd V6 this week. I originally wanted the side curtain airbags, X-REAS and the JBL stereo, but apparently with the 2004's, you either have to get the sunroof, 3rd row seat, or special order. Not wanting to give up the cargo room, we will opt to get the sunroof as opposed to ordering from the factory.
Anyway, I have a few last questions. I am getting the truck for $300 over invoice. I was talking to the salesman and he seemed to like the Toyoguard, and I was surprised to see that the invoice price was only around $250, if I remember correctly. I'm planning on doing the whole Zaino wash wax deal to keep this black truck looking as good as possible. Is there any opinions for the Toyoguard as to whether the paint sealer would affect anything with the Zaino? I have to admit, I usually steer clear from those Toyoguard type of options, but I started thinking since it was only a few hundred bucks.
Also, has anyone had any experience with installing a wood dash in the Limited, over the carbon fiber looking stuff? The new look is ok, but I feel that we're going to get tired of it quite easy, and the wife is thinking about a new Mercedes C230 or C320 sport, which both of these models have the same interior as the 4Runner.
Thanks!
Aaron
Thanks!
Aaron
Does the Toyota system give you an altitude and mph reading?
thanks....