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  • Anyone considered reverse plus sizing of their P5 wheels? I mean keeping the outer circumference the same and going from the standard 16" rims to say 14" and a higher profile tire say 65 or 70 series? The reason I would want to do that is to improve the ride a little and make the car look less flashy to deter theft. But I'm having trouble finding 14" rims in the aftermarket. Seems everyone is plus sizing but no one is minus sizing.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    I looked at minus-sizing for my LX (from 15 to 14 inch) for winter tires. I've heard that Wal-mart has cheap steel rims...they won't look pretty by any stretch of the imagination, but they should work.

    For a tire size/speedometer error calculator go here:
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    If you're on an incline, the fuel may shift away from the pump inlet, causing you to stall. This happened to me. :) Luckily, there was a service station below and behind me (and there wasn't anybody behind me), so I just shifted into neutral and coasted in. Braking & steering were harder w/o power assist, but I got next to a pump just fine. I was lucky that time. Since then, I've avoided getting below 1/4 tankful.
  • douglamdouglam Posts: 67
    14" wheels won't fit the P5. Check the brake clearance when you put in the wheels.

    I think 15" wheels with higher profile tires would smoothen out the ride a little... but then you're trading it off with handling, which is something I absolutely love about the P5.
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Posts: 1,339
    I'm seriously thinking about getting a Pro5 soon, and took my first test drive today. Overall, I was very impressed with the overall package, and thought the interior and controls were nicely done. The ride was a bit stiffer than I was anticipating, but it is well within the range of acceptability. One thing I noticed was a fairly long stroke to the clutch - and it seems to release almost all the way at the top of the stroke. Just something to get used to, I suppose. Two questions: I'm looking at a "base" car with a five speed and no options other than mats. There is a 750.00 cash back offer right now, but have any recent buyers found that dealers are willing to discount off MSRP? Also, bad experiences with a Focus have left me wary of new cars. Has anyone had any big problems with their cars worth mentioning? Thanks!
  • bjewettbjewett Posts: 62
    You mentioned that you were told there would be a turbo Pro5 by around summer. I was told turbo sedans this spring - but obviously that has been pushed back to fall. Were you told summer a long time ago? I'm wondering if Ford financial problems and/or 9/11 have pushed back the timetables for all mazdaspeed-developed vehicles.

    Anyone else hear about a turbo P5? I've seen nothing on this. Some say only the sedan will get the turbo (unfortunate as a P5 with better mileage and not quite the power could take some sales from the WRX)

  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    A turbo P5 would be great, but if it happens, it won't be before 2003.5.
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    Not one single problem in the first 2300 miles. It's still very much a Japanese car, so the quality still seems to be there.

    You shouldn't have too much trouble getting a discount off MSRP. I talked to two dealers, one wouldn't move more than $100, so I used autobytel and that dealer went to $300 over invoice (if I remember correctly) without a haggle. Check Edmunds TMV and go at it.
  • shriqueshrique Posts: 338
    The cool thing about this car is that it's not really new. It's just new to us. The car has been sold in Europe and Japan (and other markets) for quite a while. All the cars are manufactured in Hiroshima I believe.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    Likely 9/11 did push some timetables back.

    Since the P5 and Pro sedan are so mechanically similar (shorter exhaust system perhaps?), it shouldn't be that difficult to retrofit the P5 a la Mazdaspeed. Maybe they haven't gotten a "hot" response when sending out their feelers. Well, they definitely got a strongly positive response from me. :)
  • pciskowskipciskowski Posts: 155
    I got mine for $1,400 less than sticker plus the $750 rebate. I paid $15,250.
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    I'll hit 18k miles this week and have had NO problems. :)
  • I hadn't thought about the brake clearance issue before. I know the 2001 LX uses 14" so I thought maybe I could put 14" on the P5. One problem I did notice is the 4 lug vs. 5 lug issue. The LX and DX seem to use 4 lug wheels while the ES and P5 use 5 lug. I wonder if that has something to do with the brakes also.

    If there are other suspension mods possible that would soften the ride I would be interested in that also. I like the way the car drives but if it were possible to make it ride softer I would probably look into making those mods even if it meant some sacrifice in the road holding dept.
  • douglamdouglam Posts: 67
    I believe the Protege sedans have smaller brakes, that's why it can fit 14". But don't take my word for it. Just make sure it fits before making any purchase.

    As for softening the ride, I think a temporary fix would be to let some air out of the tires. The recommended pressure is 32PSI, so I would try to do 31 PSI. Any lower may significantly increase tire wear. And once you've done that, don't forget to do a check on tire wear once in a while.

    On a side note, I've heard that some dealers forgot to let air out of the tires before handing the keys to the owners, so the owners were running at 45-50PSI!!! I can't imagine how hard the ride would be!!! (FYI, they over-inflate the tires during shipping to prevent getting any flat spots)
  • mustang87mustang87 Posts: 129
    "If you're driving in cold weather, it's recommended that you keep your gas tank full most of the time to prevent moisture from building up in the tank."

    ah, i didn't know that. but leaving in south florida that would be the last of my concerns :)
    had a family bbq on sunday at a park on the beach. as i was walking away from the car, there was a couple walking towards me and my car. the women said "wow, look at that yellow car" (yes she was talking about my car as it was they only yellow car there). and the guy that was walking with her said "yap, thats a lexus". i never laughed so hard in my life but it made me fee so good. maybe i should have said "its better than a lexus" :)

    and about 2 weeks ago at a local cruise spot, and older guy and his parents were walking by my car and the guy says "look at the matrix". haha. i almost slapped him. :)

    was it on this forum that somebody asked if the 15k service is worth it? what do you guys think? i am conteplating the same thing but i figured that its not. i can check my wipers, lights, air filter, fluids and such my self. and lubricating door hinges, the dealer does that for me free when i get an oil change. btw, how often should a k&n filter be cleaned. i assume every oil change. how much oil should i use when re-oiling the filter?
    i have to renew my insurance soon and GE told me 1900 for 1 year. i am 22 and in 5 years of driving have no tickets or accidents. i'll probably call them and tell them to knock off another 500 and then i will renew.
    for comparison, my moms 2002 rav4 (bought 3 weeks ago) is only about 600 to insure for 1 year. she is 41 and has been driving for only 3 years or so with 1 (not at fault) accident. you see go figure what those insurance companies want. its time government stepped in.

    btw, if you guys get tired of my long posts, please let me know. in my experience going from 32 to 31 will not make a difference in handling or ride comfort. i acttually would love to try out 45psi but thats not what mazda recommends so i am afraid it will actually cause poor "driveability"
  • anz36anz36 Posts: 2
    14 inch rims will fit. The winter tires that I have just removed were 185 65 R14 and there was no problem fitting them around the brakes. Many tire stores up here in Montreal were recommending this size because it's cheaper than the 195 55 R15. Now I'm glad I could take them off because the car looks amazing with the stock wheels on and it just looked ordinary with the 14"'s.
    By the way, Male 36 silver, and loving the ride!
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Posts: 1,007
    only needs cleaning every 30000 to 50000 miles.

    You might actually wear it out by doing that every oil change! At the very least, its totally redundant and unnecessary.
  • mustang87mustang87 Posts: 129
    wouldn't it be better and cheaper to just buy a new reg air filter twice a year rather than running around with a dirty k&n for so long?

    btw, can someone please post a link to the zoom-zoom song again. thanks. i seem to delete the file from my pc by accident.
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Posts: 1,007
    The filter is guaranteed (except for abuse/misuse) for a million miles, if I remember correctly. Mine is in the mail (hopefully), and I'll let people know whether it helps any with my anaemic but gutsy 1.5l engine! When it is washed every 30-50K, you are supposed to reapply the red K&N filter oil, which is what actually trapsstuff (not the paper/cloth!). So, no, it isn't cheaper to change filters repeatedly!

    The song can be found in the files section of the mazdaprotege club on
  • douglamdouglam Posts: 67
    The instruction says it also depends on the conditions you drive in. If you drive in very dusty/sandy places, it's recommended that you wash it more often. But it also says that the dirt trapped in the filter actually helps to filter out more stuff, so a "too clean" of a filter might be bad also (more dirt passing through), besides wasting money. So definitely DON'T wash it at every oil change. :)

    And yes, do remember to reapply the filter oil after you've washed it.
  • mnkyboymnkyboy Posts: 108

    Its a Miata Special Edition page, but if you GO NEAR THE BOTTOM , it has a link for the "Zoom Zoom" song. For those who didnt know, the "Zoom Zoom" is actually taken from a real song. The song was taken from the soundtrack from "Only The Strong ".

    You can buy that album from cdnow.

  • mustang87mustang87 Posts: 129
    my club members will love to hear it on friday :)
  • Could you tell me what brand or who makes the 14" winter rims you got? I used to live in Rochester NY so I know what winter tires are all about but where I live now (southern california) no one has ever heard of winter tires let alone winter. (-:
  • boopoppaboopoppa Posts: 48
    yea, i haven't been able to get around to the bboard as much as I'm busy with my first year of med school. the madness never ends!

    as for the post regarding insurance price. I go thru geico and pay 450 for six months. I will turn 25 on april 14th, clean driving record, $500 deductibles.


    PS: when's MAPP gonna be? i'd like to meet other enthusiasts.
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    Looks like sometime mid May, Boopoppa. Meade hasn't made a firm decision yet. He has a map of where MAPP (lol) is going to be on the Yahoo Site. (
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Posts: 1,339
    Sorry if this has been covered before, but does anyone know if the Pro5 engine can be fairly easily modded to bring it to MP3 specs? What is involved in doing so? Also, has anyone fitted the Mazda sport muffler? Too much noise? Thanks!
  • krotinekrotine Posts: 93
    Are you going to make it to this year's picnic? It would be nice to see another face from the west side of pa (no offense larry(protegextwo)).

  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    going to make it this year. Timing is bad, I was hoping it would be in the fall, but thats not the case. It seems as though there is a lot of interest so it may be bigger than last year. I think it's cool Meade puts it together and I hope to attend one in the future.
  • myplutomypluto Posts: 1
    for Pro5?
    I considered Toyoto Matrix and Pro5, and finally decide Pro5.

    Classic Red with the following options:
    Floor mats,
    Auto transmission,

    A dealer in Central New Jersey offered $320 over invoice ($ 17,990 ) for the car plus tax and document fee.

    What do u think?
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    From what I understood, the engine is the same, it's mainly exhaust and a reprogramed ECU that make up the 10 hp difference. Don't quote me on that though.
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