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  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Weren't there a lot of problems with 2000-2002 vintage Sephias and Spectras also? ;) The more recent Foci are supposed to be more reliable. But then, so is the new Spectra compared to the old Sephia/Spectra.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,704
    that there were problems with those Sephia-Spectra's but they were limited to brake issues primarily. Those Foci were so far out of focus that they were...blurry. :sick:

    I too am glad I plunged into the Kia camp.

    2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick

  • micthommicthom Member Posts: 5
    I bought my new Kia Spectra EX (auto, cruise, alloy wheels, carpet mats) about three weeks ago and am very pleased. I only have a couple of issues that don't amount to much but I thought I would mention them anyway.

    First, the steering wheel is cheap plastic that is rough on my hands (my wife tells me that my hands are too sensitive) but the wheel seems like one big molded peice of cheap plastic. I have since bought a steering wheel cover and have fixed that problem.

    Second, it took me sometime to figure out the remote trunk release. I originally had it listed as a problem I wanted to report to the dealership. If you click and release the trunk release button on the keyless remote, nothing happens. If you click and hold the button down for a couple seconds, the trunk pops open.

    As for gas mileage, I got 27 mpg for the first tank. I still have less than 500 miles so I'm hoping that number goes up.

    I find that the quality of the car is excellent. Nice ride, good handling and I really like the looks of the car. The dealership experience was about what I expected but I got the price I wanted (thanks to Edmunds pricing TMV guide).
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Actually that "press and hold" feature on the trunk release sounds like a thoughtful feature. It's all too easy to accidently push a button on a key fob. I know that from personal experience as the remote on my '01 Elantra has a feather-touch lock button. (Fortunately unlock is tougher.) But they redesigned the remote in '04 to recess the buttons and make unintentional locking more difficult. The solution with the Spectra sounds even better.
  • spectramanspectraman Member Posts: 255
    Micthorn explained:

    First, the steering wheel is cheap plastic that is rough on my hands (my wife tells me that my hands are too sensitive) but the wheel seems like one big molded peice of cheap plastic. I have since bought a steering wheel cover and have fixed that problem.


    I don't really mind the texturing on my EX's wheel, but I can see where you're coming from in your post.

    I too have always had a leather cover on my car's steering wheels since high school, so I am contemplating splurging a little and treating myself to a custom dual-tone WheelSkins cover from here:

    http://www.autosportcatalog.com/index.cfm?fa=p&pid=2357

    They cost $50 plus shipping, BUT.... you can have a custom cover stitched together with yoru choice of colors of leather AND get whatever portion of the wheel "Euro-perfed" (punched holes) if you choose.

    They also guarantee a perfect fit, since they require you to provide the diameter of your wheel and the circumference of the wheel grip.

    I ordered a sample swatch kit from the WheelSkins manufacturer, and I've found two colors (sand for the top/bottom, brown for the sides) that match my Spectra's two tone tan/brown interior pretty darn close.

    You can "build" a custom cover here from their color palette to see what a particular scheme will look like. This is sort of cool:

    http://www.autosportcatalog.com/file_center/files/wheelskin/index.cfm

    I'll post a pic on my Spectra website when/if I purchase one.

    -SM
  • micthommicthom Member Posts: 5
    Has anyone done research to find a roof-mounted bike rack for the Spectra (4 door)?

    I have looked on the Thule and Yakima sites but cannot find a match to the 2005 Spectra for a roof mounted bike rack. The Kia dealership told me that I can use the same rack that works for the Honda (I assume Civic) but I'm not convinced.
  • t2mct2mc Member Posts: 1
    Has anyone had problems with the emergency brake failing? I haven't even made my 1st payment on 05 Spectra and it rolled down the driveway and through my house. I confirmed the brake handle was up when I was surveying the damage. $2000 damage to car plus $7000 damage to house.

    To say the least, one would expect the ebrake on a brand new car to be tight not loose. An inspection is underway but just checking.
  • spectramanspectraman Member Posts: 255
    t2mc:

    Sorry to hear about your incident. It sounds like a real bummer. What part of the house did your car hit? The garage door?

    The e-brake on my Spectra EX has been working fine, but since I have an automatic I don't depend entirely on it.

    Is your car a manual shift? Did you have it in gear in addition to using the e-brake, or did you leave it in neutral? A good working brake *should* have held the car either way though, I agree.

    You mention that the brake was loose. In what way? Side-to-side sloppiness? Its inability to fully activate the brakes?

    Fill us in on some of the details, and you may get a few more responses.

    Thanks,

    -SM
  • huntleyhuntley Member Posts: 14
    As a 54 year old male who does minimal driving, I am trying to decide on whether to purchase a Ford Focus ZX5 ($16,800) or a Kia Spectra SX (14,800). I have narrowed my choices down to TWO vehicles. According to Consumer Reports, the Ford Focus is rated number one, whereas the Kia Spectra is "out of contention" due to poor crash results :cry: . Owners of the Kia Spectra have said the car suffers from "nose plow" when braking, as well as "understeer" and a noisy engine at highway speeds. I tried BOTH vehicles and found that the Focus had a better seating position, but cheap looking interior materials. The Spectra's interior looked superior and the handling felt similar to the Focus, even though it had a much lower stance. This is a difficult decision. I also drove the Mazda3 but ruled it out because I found the seats were as hard as concrete. I tried the Cobalt and those seats were the same. The most comfortable seats are in the Focus and the Spectra. Because of Kia's poor history and "pooh poohing" from the auto industry, I am reluctant to purchase one, plus I have never seen one on the road. Even the salesperson at KIA told me the car was a hard sell. Could someone please offer some advice and suggestion to help me make my final choice? Are both cars silly looking for a 54 year old male? One added piece of info . . Kia and Ford are both conveniently located near my home.
  • spectramanspectraman Member Posts: 255
    Huntley asked:

    Could someone please offer some advice and suggestion to help me make my final choice?


    Huntly:

    Be daring.... try the Spectra!

    As everyone who reads this board knows, I've had great success (so far) with my almost year-old 10k+ miles Spectra EX.

    Also... I bet you have play "hardball" with your KIA dealer, you can get the price of that SX down even more! Especially with the current incentives listed below.

    My EX (with a sticker of nearly $17k) was gotten for around $13,200 (pre-tax / dest) with a $1,500 rebate. My car was completely loaded, so it has to be at least close to the content of the SX you're looking at. I've got the 15 inch alloys instead of the 16 inch, but that and a few bits of plastic trim should be the only difference.

    Also... the Spectra boards here at Edmunds have been pretty quiet defect-wise (save the emergency brake story above) when compared to some of the nightmares recorded on the Ford Focus boards.

    As far as not seeing many Spectras on the road.... I like it! Foci are a dime-a-dozen, esp. in Michigan. A clean, well appointed Spectra like mine stands out... IMHO. :-) I'm also 40+, and I don't feel the slightest bit out of place out in public in my car. In fact, a lot of people have commented to me how it looks very similar to a Honda Civic. Would you be embarrassed to be seen in a Civic?

    In any case, let us know which way you go!

    -SM

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,704
    I'll second that emotion-get the Kia Spectra!

    It looks better, costs less and has a better warranty. Oh, and Kia does honor their Long-Haul Warranty, don't let anyone tell you they don't. I know that they do and I also know that you do stand a very good chance of never needing your Warranty coverage on your new Spectra.

    I'm on my second new Kia ('99 Kia Sephia and now a '01 Kia Sportage 4x4) and I may be getting a third later this year. They are solid, reliably performing cars, vans and SUV's and the Kia Mojave pickup truck is in the hopper as I type this, too.

    Just to be different and really sporty, take a look at the hot new Kia Spectra5. The car looks very nice, has a very sporty stance, bold and aggressive looking and has received very good performance marks. Or, get a Spectra sedan. You get a lot of car for your money and you have that Long-Haul Warranty to protect you. ;)

    Post back in here with your decision, OK, huntley? Have fun and enjoy the chase, man! :)

    2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick

  • theolus1theolus1 Member Posts: 8
    After test driving both the civic and the corolla, I found the spectra to be an equal if not superior in all categories. I bought my spectra and have not regretted the decision. After 5K miles, I am happy to report that the car gets more fun to drive each day. The acceleration is great. Gas mileage has been better than I expected. On a 240 mile trip across the cascade mountains and back, I got 36 MPG. WOW!!!! This was with only 1500 miles on the car. Please, all of you people who are considering buying a spectra, don't listen to some of the reviewers who from what I have read, have opinions that are questionable at best. At worst, outright lies. The new spectra is an awesome car. Kia makes fine well built cars. I also own a sedona. We have had it for three years and have had absolutely no problems in 35K miles. GO KIA!!!! :)
  • micthommicthom Member Posts: 5
    Spectraman has given some good advice (as always). However, last night I saw a Kia ad for the Spectra that listed the cash to customer of $2,400 ($2,500 for the LD model). Of course, this may be a regional incentive--that is what it lists for Colorado. This information can be found on the Kia website.

    Living in Colorado, I see quite a number of Focus cars. I rented one last February and didn't have any complaints other than the interior felt cheap.
  • darius2kdarius2k Member Posts: 5
    On the Spectra vs Focus discussion ...

    I am in the market for a new car and have pretty much narrowed my choices down to the Mazda3, the Kia Spectra, and the Ford Focus. In regards to Kia vs Focus, the Focus has a couple of things going in its favor:

    1. It has more options, including the 6-disc CD/mp3 changer (important to me) and the butt-warming seats ... didn't figure I'd be able to afford those for at least another 5 years :)
    2. I am driving a Spectra EX as a rental car right now (my 2000 Ford Escort was totalled last week), and I didn't like it at first, but it has definitely grown on me and now I think it's pretty fun to drive. However, my biggest concern about it is that, since I don't have very good vision, I have to position the seat close to the steering wheel, which makes it so that the seat blocks my view when I do 'over the shoulder' glances for lane changes. I know it sounds strange, but I've seen a few others mention it on various websites, so I know it isn't just me. I don't know how different the body style of the SX is, but I plan to test drive one and see if this is as big of a problem for me as it is with the EX.

    As for Focus and reliability, I don't see very many people having issues with models > 2002, but based on the problems I had with my Escort, I'm really not sure if I want to give Ford any more of my money. On the other hand, does anyone have any statistics about the reliability of Kias? I looked in Consumer Reports, and it says they don't have enough data to say one way or the other.

    Oh, one other thing about the Spectra - I REALLY dig the cup holders! I know something as insignificant as that probably shouldn't make a big difference, but it really does :)
  • huntleyhuntley Member Posts: 14
    Regarding the Kia Spectra and Consumer Reports: They said: "it still trails the better cars in this category, with reluctant cornering and mediocre acceleration and fuel economy. The 138-hp engine delivers lackluster acceleration with the automatic and unimpressive fuel economy. A poor offset-crash-test result TAKES IT OUT OF CONTENTION." Under the RELIABILITY SCORES, the Kia Spectra isn't even listed! Since it's based on the Elantra platform, you can take a look at the Elantra's score. It is rated "much better than average" with a better-than-average reliability score for 2003 and 2004. The Ford Focus is Consumer Report's top pick of small cars and they love it except for the cheap looking interior. As far as the Mazda3 goes, I thought the seats were the absolute hardest, most uncomfortable seats of any small car I have tested.
  • spectramanspectraman Member Posts: 255
    H said:

    "Regarding the Kia Spectra and Consumer Reports: They said: "it still trails the better cars in this category, with reluctant cornering and mediocre acceleration and fuel economy. The 138-hp engine delivers lackluster acceleration with the automatic and unimpressive fuel economy. A poor offset-crash-test result TAKES IT OUT OF CONTENTION."


    At the risk of sounding defensive about my car, I want to share a couple of additional thoughts regarding your post.

    1. My EX has an automatic, and I find the acceleration just fine. When I pull away from a stoplight, the next thing I know is that I'm doing almost 60 mph without even hitting the throttle hard. I've had several people drive the car who have made the same observation. The torque band on these cars is pretty low, so when you put your foot down, the 138 hp do wake up pretty quickly.

    The only "doggedness" I've found is possibly when the car's in 4th gear (overdrive), and I'm in somewhat slower city traffic, the car may bog a little if I hit the gas, but not hard enough to downshift. My remedy for this is to simply drop down a gear to 3rd in city traffic to help keep the RPM up a bit.

    My "summer" car is a 5-speed '88 Mustang LX 5.0, so I think I have at least a little experience with a performance car to compare the Spectra to. In my book the acceleration is fine... plus the engine is nearly silent at idle and transfers no vibration to the cabin!

    2. Fuel economy..... well this one has credence. I've gotten anywhere from 22 mpg to 35 mpg based on the time of year and driving habits. The average is probably close to 25 overall. Not exactly great, but not horrible either. This category definitely goes to Toyota and Honda from what I read.

    3. Handling.... my car is shod with Goodyear Eagle RS tires. I have no qualms with the handling of my EX. It's no worse than a lot of other cars in its class. On occasion I'll whip the Spectra around on some switchbacks and tight corners on my way to work, and I never get any "rollover" squeal from these tires. Take that for what its worth.

    4. Finally, the crash rating. KIA has been installing a revised airbag in the Spectra since January of this year (2005). It has smaller vent holes, and the dummy's head doesn't hit the steering column any more. This one change was enough to boost the Spectra from 'POOR' to 'ACCEPTABLE' for the frontal offset crash test. The IIHS website has all the details. Side impact ratings were pretty low for the whole compact car class if I remember correctly. I think Honda and the Cobalt did okay in that category. You could research that specific topic more.

    The bottom line is that any new post-January 2005 built Spectra you might purchase has a better rating that what CR is claiming for it.

    Keep us posted as to what you decide, and then report back in here with your experience(s).

    -SM
  • spectramanspectraman Member Posts: 255
    While camping this weekend, I was able to get a really good look at the trunk ("boot" to you Brits out there) of a Ford Focus ZX4.

    On the plus side for the Focus, it had the decklid hinges with mini-struts located and recessed outside of the trunk opening. The Spectra uses the standard goose-neck hinge that enters the storage area and usable space. Keep in mind though that the mini-struts are pressurized gas, and will very likely need replacing in not-too-many years. My Mustang's hatch needs its struts replaced about every 3 years.

    On the plus side for the Spectra, the fit and finish quality blows the Focus away. I was appalled to see tons of gray primer peeking through the black paint of the Focus I examined, and the carpet panels in the Focus' trunk was really floppy and cheesy looking. The fit of the carpeting in the Focus trunk was very poor. My Spectra's trunk on the other hand shows no signs of any primer/paint issues, and the carpet panels are very well formed and installed. The trunk of my Spectra looks like it belongs in a *much* more expensive car.

    This online quote backs my observation up:

    "The Spectra looks classier, more grown up and more substantial. I was also very pleased with the Spectra's two-tone cabin, and I was surprised by the seat fabric and even the thick carpeting covering the floor in the trunk. "

    http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=16022

    If KIA could find decklid struts that last more than a few years, then I'd recommend to them to switch over to the recessed hinges for the Coup de' tat!

    -SM
  • huntleyhuntley Member Posts: 14
    Check out this site to see the results of long-term vehicle quality after 3 years. Look where Kia ranked. :cry:

    http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/vds2005089.asp
  • spectramanspectraman Member Posts: 255
    Huntley:

    Your point is well taken for owners of 2002 and earlier KIA's. I'd even bet that KIA's long-term dependability scores won't improve dramatically for another couple of years due to Hyundai's influence not being totally realized until all of KIA's new models are rolled out.

    The 2004.5 Spectra IMHO is truly the first truly new KIA vehicle to benefit from Hyundai's designs and manufacturing knowledge base. With the recent introduction of the Tuscon/Sportage, and the upcoming Accent/Rio line, those long term quality numbers will *have* to improve due to the Hyundai factor. Read this from the J.D. Powers report:

    "Porsche makes the largest percentage improvement in its VDS score, while Hyundai experiences the largest reduction in problems reported by owners. Porsche, which ranks second among nameplates, improves 38 percent compared to 2004-a 91 PP100 improvement. Although still hovering below the industry average, Hyundai records a dramatic 115 PP100 improvement (31%).

    "Hyundai experienced similar levels of improvement in the 2002 IQS, when these vehicles were new, which shows a successful effort by Hyundai in translating short-term quality improvements into higher long-term quality," said Parker. "Even though there is still room for improvement, Hyundai is a great example of an automaker that is making strides toward improving vehicle quality by paying close attention to owner feedback and designing products with both short- and long-term quality in mind.
    "


    Based on the statement above that correlates short-term quality improvements to long-term improvements, my Spectra EX can be Exhibit A. In nearly 1 year of average usage (12,000 miles), my Spectra has had exactly 1 minor defect.... a bad 3rd brake light LED module. If my car is indicative of the new Spectra's average quality (and I think it is, due to the *lack* of people lamenting about the new Spectra on the various forums I follow), I think it bodes well for other upcoming KIA products and their potential long-term quality. Time will tell.

    With KIA having plans to introduce a new Sonata-based Optima and a newly redesigned Sedona (that Hyundai will inevitably have a version of, thus ensuring Hyundai design input), I'd have to say that KIA's long term quality numbers will start improving rapidly with the 2008 report.

    -SM
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    It's got 115k miles and I've put maybe $1200 into her in terms of non-routine repairs (clutch, minor transaxle problem, new struts, timing belt, that sort of thing) over 10 years. That seems like pretty good long-term quality to me.

    I'm looking at the Spectra as well as several others (Elantra 5 dr, Scion, Focus, Suzuki Aerio & Reno) to replace my Aspire as a daily commuter and weekend Home Depot hauler.

    One option I'm considering is driving my Aspire until the wheels fall off. Maybe I can get another couple years out of her. Honestly, every day I just turn the key and she runs flawlessly. The worst thing that's happened in the last 25,000 miles is that I needed to replace the spark plugs (for the first time with 90,000 on the odo).

    I've worked professionally with Korean engineers. Here is how they tick, as a corporate culture: They are smart- very smart- people. They honor the old ways, however, and are reluctant to innovate. This, however, is balanced by a willingness to imitate. While it takes them a while to figure it out, they eventually do, and they reap the benefits. This is true of trying to produce western-style food and Japanese-style cars. I honestly believe they are now coming into their own. Those of us with an open mind will benefit from this; those of us who like Japanese cars will be paying too much for the same quality.
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    My 88 Festiva still brings back fond memories. I wouldn't call it ugly, but spartan and purposeful. Donated it 170,000 miles. Teaching a 16 year old to drive was making the synchros notchy and it needed a complete brake job, but I often wish I'd kept it...

    So here I am with *MY* Kia Pride (aka Kia Avella, aka Ford Aspire) on the edge of selling it for about $500 to buy another Korean car. I am ready for something new, but I already know I'm gonna miss it, especially since my wife requested the next car have an AT (my Aspire is a stick).

    But, yeah... Pride = Festiva, and the aero update of the same chassis: Avella = Aspire.
  • mikzkemikzke Member Posts: 3
    My 2003 Kia Spectra's check engine light has come on several times. The dealer says that the code pointed to a throttle problem. They allegedly fixed it, but I was at a stop in traffic with my foot on the brake. The engine suddenly raced to over 3,000 rpm. I nearly hit the vehicle in front of me. Does anyone know of any problems like this. The dealer says they can't diagnose a problem if it is intermittent.
  • jamerswerbsjamerswerbs Member Posts: 3
    Hey, I was wondering if anyone knew if this was true.
    I heard that Kia wasn't coming out with a 2006 spectra and that the 2005 spectras are the last kind of that model? is this true. I am looking at buying a Spectra EX and I want to know if this is true or not. Let me know. Thanks :)
    Jamie
  • jamerswerbsjamerswerbs Member Posts: 3
    I don't have a spectra.. but when my mystique did that.. my car guy said it was my spark plugs and wires were bad. Once he changed those it was fine. Hope this helps:)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Where did you hear that? That seems preposterous, given that the Spectra is one of Kia's bread-and-butter cars and the current model is quite new.
  • jamerswerbsjamerswerbs Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for your help.
    My friend heard I was buying a Spectra and was doing some research and apparently came across something that said that they weren't making SPectras anymore since they are upgrading the Rio's. IF you happen to come across any info let me know. Thanks a million for your help! :)
  • jjj4jjj4 Member Posts: 5
    I`m trying to up grade the sound system in my 02 Spectra 4-door.
    I have taken out the two screws at the top of the instrument cluster bezel ( those
    are the only screws I can see) but the trim panel will not come off.
    Are there more screws that I`m not seeing or do I need some type of special
    tool ? Thanks. jjj4
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    When I was at the Kia dealership this week, the sales guy said the current model year for the Spectra will run through November, at which point the 06 Spectras will start. He said they would be identical except for very minor changes to the 05s. There is a new Rio coming out, but it is more like a Toyota Echo/Scion xA micro econobox; the Spectra is significantly bigger than that. I don't think they step on each other's toes any more than the current models of Spectra and Rio do (which ain't much).

    So I redrove the Spectra5. I didn't like it much the first time. It was better than I remembered and I will definitely consider it when I buy at the end of Aug/beginning of Sept. I like the ride and interior (especially leather) on the Elantra better, but the Kia's outside styling and the little storage areas in the hatch area are better than the Elantra. The Elantra's outside is extremely dated and needs to be freshened (which is slated for about a year from now from what I hear). The Kia's 16 inch wheels provide a harsher ride than the Hyundai's 15s. At my advanced age (42), I prefer smooth to sporty.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,704
    I came across some cool new information.

    This news item was on the Kia America website in May of '05 and I missed it. Might be really nice-the cool extras of the Spectra5 in a beautiful Spectra sedan.

    From Kia America CEO Peter Butterfield:
    “We’re ecstatic that Kelley Blue Book has named the 2005 Spectra5 to its exclusive list of ‘cool’ cars under $18,000,” said Kia Motors America president and CEO Peter M. Butterfield. “This reaffirms our belief that Spectra5 delivers style, performance, safety features and value to our customers."

    Here's the new and interesting part for me, the new Kia Spectra SX sedan. Check it out! "And to make sporty driving fun for sedan lovers, we’ve just introduced the new Spectra SX, which has all the special features of the “5” added to the sedan, including sport-tuned suspension, interior tweaks and body kit,” added Butterfield.

    Reading about the Spectra5 today I couldn't believe all of the undercarriage updates the Spectra5 has for a rig that costs just over $15,000! Incredible value, and that is what enamors me to the Kia brand. A front strut tower, even! Sport-tuned suspension, front and rear stabilizer bars. I can't wait to see a Kia Spectra SX sedan with the body kit on and all. More fun research for me! Kia just continues to improve and continues to offer great value to customers, including the wonderful Long-Haul Warranty, which Kia execs have vowed to continue through the 2008 model year. I bet they keep it beyond that even.

    2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick

  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Motor Trend did a comparo on small hot sedans in July; one of them was the Spectra SX. They said some nice things about it, but it did not win the comparo. The Mazda3s did.
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    Cool. I read in a review (automotive.com? or maybe here?) where in a long term test, they had to repair the front spoiler because it was low enough that they tore it up on a curb. I looked at a Spec5 on the lot, and it appears that you can simply unscrew the bottom part of the front spoiller and remove it without messing too much with the looks of the car.

    I did the unthinkable, though: I took the car that the Spec5 resembles, the Mazda3 wagon, out for a test drive. Gawd, what a car! The four-cylinder engine pulls like a V6, the suspension gives better feel (like it was on rails) than the Spec5 but is infinitely smoother; the stereo kicks butt and even gets louder with rpms. I fell in love with the car. Unfortunately, I would have to pay probably 20% more the Mazda3, and I don't know if I can swing that right now. Also, this will likely be the car I send my younger son to college with, and I'm not so sure I wanna give him Zoom Zoom! right off the bat.

    The Spec5 is a poser next to the Mazda3 wagon. But for the price, it very well be the best you can get.
  • arizonajoearizonajoe Member Posts: 123
    Hi all - I have an update for you on my 2004.5 Spectra EX 5-spd.

    I finally got a chance to gauge pure highway mileage. Driving to California, I calculated it at 33 mpg. Coming back to Arizona, it was 36 mpg. This is much better than the 25-27 I had been seeing in the city. I'm now past 19,000 miles.

    One problem I have to report: When I cruise at 80 or so, a loud humming/rubbing noise emanates from the front right wheel well. If I slow down, it goes away. This problem recently got worse, when it started happening even at 70 mph. It doesn't always happen - it usually takes 20 minutes of cruising to pop up.

    Also, I think the dealer is lying to me. They want to replace my fuel filter as part of regular maintenance - they actually wanted to do this at 15,000 miles. Another local dealer said no, the fuel filter is embedded as part of the fuel pump, and is meant to last much longer than 15,000 miles. They said it's a major operation that need not be done so frequently.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Consult your owner's manual on the fuel filter replacement--the maintenance schedule will tell you when you need to change it.
  • johnjrjohnjr Member Posts: 5
    I just purchased a Kia ES for my daughter. I noticed when driving alone at night the "Passenger Airbag System Off" message is quite bright and annoying. Also the clock illumination is not adjustable and again annoyingly bright for night time driving. Anyone with the same complaints or a solution?

    Thanks
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    For the bright airbag light, I have an idea: I had the same problem with the rear defroster light on my Ford Aspire. I pulled the instrument panel and painted the light bulb with black paint on the tip, blocking most of the light. Now in bright sunlight, I can barely see the light if it's lit, but I can tell. At night I can see it clearly but it's not a pain in the butt.

    Another solution on the airbag light is to run the wire to a lit switch under the dashboard. Whenever the light is energized, the switch could be lit. But if you shut off the switch, it would shut off the dashboard light. If it's low enough under the dash, all that would be visible at night would be a faint glow.

    Use your imagination...!
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    One idea for the clock light: Hyundai Elantra GT Garage (scroll down to the bottom: "Changing the colour of the dashboard digital clock").
  • kwinnkwinn Member Posts: 11
    I bought my car on july 5th from atlantic hyundai long island, NY. I paid 12,200 plus tax for the car. Sticker was 16,100 or something like that. Options include alloy wheels and cruise control. Since then i've put in 2600+ miles on it. I love the car so far. few complaints i have are of course the drivers seat need more thigh support. after an hour of drive my leg is begging for a break and I am not tall either only 5' 8". Fuel economy is not at all great. So far i have averaged 26 on highway. Since i drive less than 2% on the city i cant really tell how thats like. if anyone is looking for a fuel miser then this is not the car for you. However this car is definetely value. It has great looks, decent stereo, acceptable rear room. seats are actually comfy except for long drives as i mentioned. and also it has a cigerette lighter however it does not come with a DC power outlet which kinda sucks however you can still get by using the cigerette lighter outlet. i will fill in more as i get time... just sharing a few things that i noticed abt my car.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I think the Spectra is a fine small car, but I probably wouldn't buy one because I noticed on a test drive what you have noticed, that is, the need for more thigh support. I wish Kia had not moved away from the dual-knob seat height adjusters that were on the previous-gen Spectra and still on other Kias such as the Rio and Sportage--and on Hyundais too. You can dial the seat cushion just right with those, although it takes a couple of turns of the dials. I am hopeful that Kia will revert to that design on the Spectra in the future.

    On the fuel economy, you should notice it improving as the engine gets more miles. That is typical of that engine. But you should be getting more than 26 on the highway. Is yours an automatic or 5-speed, and what speeds do you run at on the highway? I can get mid-to-upper 30s on my automatic Elantra with the same engine if I stay to speed limits (60-65 in my town).
  • kwinnkwinn Member Posts: 11
    Hi thanks for the reply,

    Mine is an automatic EX. I usually drive 70-80 mph. i dont know my speed has something to do with horrible fuel economy. I wish the car came with an mp3 player. Stock stereo is very good. cant find a dash kit for me to install an after market stereo. any suggestion?
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Speed has a LOT to do with fuel economy! When the EPA does its tests, they aren't at 80 mph. I've found over the years I get the best fuel economy at about 60 mph. There's a lot of other things you can do to improve fuel economy. One simple thing is make sure the tires are at least at recommended pressure, or even a few psi above. I set mine at 35 (recommended is 30) and find an improvement in mpg and also handling with no significant degradation in ride.

    Have you searched the Web for dash kits, e.g. Crutchfield?
  • spmrebelspmrebel Member Posts: 130
    Hi all,

    I found this on KIA's media website which shows whats new for the 2006 Spectra.

    "
    SpectraEX/SX/Spectra5

    LX 4 door model discontinued (allows better price “walk” between new Rio and Spectra)

    Exterior:
    Delete fog lights on EX 4-door model
    Delete 15-inch factory-installed alloy wheel option on EX 4-door model
    (available as dealer installed option)

    Interior:
    Delete sunroof option on EX 4-door model
    Add cruise control standard on SX and Spectra5
    Add floor mats standard on all models
    Add cabin air filter on all models

    Mechanical:
    New 4-speed A/T (except SULEV models in CA, MA, ME, NY, VT)
    New-generation transmission is lighter in weight, more durable and provides improved operation

    Color & Trim:
    New exterior color for 4-door EX models-Deep Ocean Blue (replaces Imperial Blue)
    "

    I really think they made a mistake removing the fog lights and moonroof option from the EX version if this is true. And hopefully the dealers will add on the alloys. Anyway, I think this makes the EX very much less competitive with the competition and the Elantra GLS especially with the removal of the moonroof.

    One of the main reasons why my girlfriend chose a Spectra EX (2005) over an Elantra GLS was because of the fog lights and alloy wheels. Both of these aren't available on not available on GLS until you step into the GT or GLS 5 door. But my girlfriend can't get pass the black side mouldings (it took me a long time) and also wanted cloth. Moving to the SX or 5 is the only way to get everything but it comes with some things we both didn't like - sportier suspension, ground effects (not good for my girlfriend) and rear spoiler (my girlfirend thinks it hideaous looking on the Spectra - I agree it should be more subtle like on 04/05 Elantra GT).

    Glad we bought an 05!

    Happy motoring,

    Shawn
  • spmrebelspmrebel Member Posts: 130
    Hi all,

    I justed wanted to post my feelings and experiences of the Spectra vs the Elantra. I own a 2005 Elantra GT Auto which I bought in Jan 05. My girlfriend bought a 2005 Spectra EX Auto in June 05. Both are maxed equiped except the Spectra doesn't has ABS/traction control option (couldn't find anywhere in southern CA) and we didn't get the rear spoiler since its hideous looking - I guess its good if your into the rice scene.

    I do get to drive her car every weekend when we get together so I have alot of direct driving experience between the 2 cars.

    OK, here are my experiences

    1. Elantra is definitely the better value. When pricing was done between the Elantra GLS and Spectra EX with the same options using real world prices (quotes from the dealers including any rebates) the Elantra was simply a better value. Elantra GLS was around $1500 less on average. In fact, when I was shopping for my GT in Jan I got 2 quotes that were less than what we paid for on the Spectra EX. And this was a fully loaded GT (moonroof, ABS/traction control, leather, auto). So you are probably wondering why my girlfriend didn't get the Elantra GLS. Mostly because I had a Elantra already and that we didn't want to see 2 of the same cars in my garage.
    2. Its hard comparing the two in driveability since I do have a GT with the firmer suspension. My car is definitely better in the corners and its more sure footed at highway speeds. The Spectra is likely to rock a little by big trucks and large SUVs passing by
    3. The Spectra EX has better road and noise isolation. I always thought the Elantra was probably the quietest small car out there (I owned a 2001 Elantra GLS but traded it for a 2003 Suzuki Aerio SX and now I am back to a 2005 Elantra GT) but the Spectra is now the quietest car I have driven in its price range. Especially at freeway speeds. Even with the moonroof open it is quieter than my Elantra. I am really impressed. Also at idle with windows rolled up there is more vibration coming into Elantra cabin than Spectra but not much.
    4. Fit and finish between the Elantra and GLS are near even. Its really a toss-up here. If I had to give anyone a edge it would be the Spectra. The Spectra paint seems to be extremely thick when compared to the Elantra. My Elantra is Silver and the Spectra is White. When looking at the Spectra Silver on the lots I thought there paint jobs were better than on my Elantra.
    5. I feel safer in the Spectra just on a subjective note. Comparing the slamming of the doors the Spectra has a bit more heft to it. Meaning to me that the side impact beams are probably heavier and stronger - I don't know this for a fact. The side curtain air bags also give me a better feel. One thing is that it took Hyundai around 5 years to finally bring the Elantra to acceptable ratings with IIHS where as it took Kia a little over year.
    6. Interior style though subjective is something I also look at. The Spectra is definitely in my opinion the better one though it does have the edge since its generation is only a year old. Its the more modern looking interior. They use more contrasting plastics to give it a higher class look like a very light gray in the lower sections of the door and dash console trim to a dark gray on the top of the door armrest and dash console. Everything is well lit on the Spectra for night driving. Maybe even too glaring for some. Compared to my Elantra at night it looks depressing. This is probably because of the color they chose to light up the interior of the Elantra - purple and green compared to the white of the Spectra. Another thing is the radio. The radio in the Spectra is a 2 DIN unit which I really like. Buttons are much bigger and easier to use. I like having the 2 DIN unit because it doesn't make the car appear as though it is missing something or an after thought. I wish they had put a cover in the Elantra like they did with the 04 GT when they had the Kenwood radios in them.
    6. Since I am not an audiophile I can't say much about the radio. The Spectra seems quite flat on FM channels compared to the Elantra. However, on the Spectra on the FM channels it seems more livelier - more base and treble. Both are equal on the CD front.
    7. Gas mileage. I would never have suspected this since they both use the same engine and pretty similiar transmissions (if not the same) but the Spectra gets better gas mileage. Remember both are autos. The Spectra is averaging arounding 29 MPG with 75% hwy and 25% city. This is with 2100 miles so it should get better as we approach 15K miles. My Elantra is getting around 26 MPG with same hwy/city spread. And sadly to say I am a very conservative driver compared to my girlfriend (probaly has to do with my age difference with her- 20 years older). My Elantra has 8500 miles on it. We use the same gas from Costco here in Southern CA. I measure everything at the pump. The GT has a MPG indicator that is the most inacurate. It always shows me being at 31.0 MPG. Though I have never come close obtaining that by the measuring at the pump method. Highest I ever recorded was 29.5 mpg
    8. Spectra seems to have much better pickup/acceleration than the Elantra. The Elantra seems very slugish at times when I step on it. Maybe the programming between the 2 are different.
    9. Exterior looks, like the interior look, is subjective. I like them both. The Spectra was kinda of weird to me when I first saw it but its one of those designs that looks better in person. Anyway, a tossup here.

    Hope you enjoy and happy motoring.

    Shawn
  • spectramanspectraman Member Posts: 255
    For all you current generation (or potential) Spectra owners out there:

    Check out how a WheelSkins "EuroPerf" leather wheel cover looks on my car:

    image

    WheelSkins allow you to custom order the style and color(s) of your cover, and it is custom fitted to your wheelsize.

    Just put the word "wheelskins" into Google, and you'll find a bunch of outlets online. Not all of the pricing is the same though. The same cover that the actual WheelSkins site listed for 54.99 (plus shipping) only cost me $39.99 (plus shipping) at an authorized "E-tailer".

    The cover is very high quality, soft and comfortable, and went on like a glove. The standard Spectra wheel has a fairly rough surface (which probably isn't a bad idea for enhanced gripping), BUT this cover adds the finishing touch to a very classy interior. It definitely feels like I'm driving a much more upscale car. :-)

    -SM
  • spectramanspectraman Member Posts: 255
    Well... there's more than one way to skin a cat!

    Here's the same photo from another free server provider:

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    -SM
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,704
    looks good, the steering wheel cover, and the rest of the interior I could see there.

    Question for ya: is your 2004 1/2 Kia Spectra sedan a color Kia calls Violet Mist, BTW? My 1999 Kia Sephia was Violet Mist, a color that wasn't my first choice but looked really good, though. It looked lighter or darker depending on the way it was reflecting or not reflecting sunlight. This question goes back to the last shot you put on Edmunds of your Spectra that showed the spoiler and rear view. If it's not Violet Mist, what color is it? Thanks in advance and keep enjoying your Spectra!

    2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick

  • spectramanspectraman Member Posts: 255
    Hey there iluv!

    My car is actually KIA's "Sand" (gold) color.... with the photos taken at dusk the night there was a really cool sunset in my neck of the woods. Everything had a rosy glow that night.

    It's a really nice color, with very nice metalflake. It really looks good in the direct sunlight.

    -SM
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,704
    what ya mean, there. Which brings to thought the happy thought that Kia paint jobs are really pretty good and hold up well. Which reminds me, I bought some wheel cleaner for my Sportage 4x4 and need to shine them up. Enjoy your Spectra and everyone everywhere enjoy your Kia's. I just like them more all the time! :D

    2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick

  • kenzie1kenzie1 Member Posts: 1
    was on way home from work when engine lit came on when got gas was sure cap on tite 3 time turned it had it cked by sonin law couldnt find why it was on can you suggest what it could be and what to do they are closed its sat thank u cant take in to monday and will it be under warrentee thanks all help appreciated
  • kwinnkwinn Member Posts: 11
    4500 miles now. fuel economy got a little better its upto 28 now. but not anywhere near 34 that the epa thinks it should get. Had my first oil change done at a local quick lube. As i was watching the guy take the oil filter out the oil dripper all over the rear inside end of the bumper. the bumper is open ended and oil filter is located right on top of it making a mess at every oil change. only a korean engineer can design something like this. anyways the problem with driver's seat not being able to push back to the rear is just taking its toll. my leg is aching even after a 20 minute drive. this car is recommended only for those with short legs or short in general. Not good for anyone over 5'5".
  • spectramanspectraman Member Posts: 255
    Kwinn:

    Is your driver's seat broken and can't be pushed fully to the rear, or are you saying that it just doesn't go back far enough? Is your car a U.S. or Canadian spec? I take it that you have the 5-speed too, right?

    I'm 6' with a 31" inseam, and I find the legroom in my EX just fine when pushed completely back on the track. Does the driver's side go back as far on its track as the passenger side seat does?

    Thanks for the info about the oil filter configuration. I just had my oil changed at the dealer and I'll have to look and see if they cleaned that area properly.

    -SM
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