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BTW, how is the Sport to drive compared to the standard model? The 460 handles so much better than the 430, I am thrilled with it. Better handling would be nice though, however, I don't want to give my "boulevard ride".
Had an 03 S-500. Loved everything about it but the crappy air conditioning, which they are known for, and the minor malfunction issues all over the cabin. I think at one time I counted 13 things that weren't working right inside the cabin...... So I got an 05 LS430. Much happier. Not as much fun to drive, but only see the dealer every 5000 miles for oil.
So I keep driving the vehicle for another few days only to notice ratteling noise in the front of the vehicle only when going over a series of small bumps. Dealership mechanic says he doesn't notice anything. Okay either i'm crazy or your stupid and lying to me, and i'm not crazy. After I drive it further for another few days warning lights come on the dash stating that the vsc and the abs failure are occuring with the afs light flashing on and off. Bring in to the dealer, mechanic states that the front left bearing needs to be replaced for 750 total. okay so they change it out. They give me a loaner car a 2011 AWD lexus ls 460 with only 14,000 miles. Guess what? This one doesn't drive smooth too, some kind of ratteling noise in the front suspension also!!! wow! I thought it was just my car!! Then i wanted to investigate a little further so I drive out to another dealership somewhere else and now I test drive a LS 460L with 46,000 miles and let me tell you this car drove like it had 350,000 miles on it! holy crud, can you believe they were selling this car for 45 grand? This car had even worse suspension/vibration issues i've ever experienced in my life with a luxury sedan.
(By the way what I love when you bring the vibration issues up to a dealership is that they tell me, well was it in the cold for long before you started the car? because if it was then the tires need to get warmed up first, or another excuse I love to hear is that my tires need to be replaced or balanced!! Dipshit, do you retards realize that vibration symptoms and causes can have various factors other than tires, wheel balancing and alignment? take for instance, front end coils/struts/shocks, tie rods, bearings, cv axle joints, bushings, sway bar link, drive shaft balancings.. by the time i figure out what is wrong with this car my bill is going to be so high that i've already could've bought two or three more cars!!!)
I can live with everything else except the vibration issues, so I start to test drive ANOTHER lexus ls 460 they say it is "certified", this lexus drove like the suspension system also had a slight vibration problem to it, totally amazing but not surprised at this point.
My advice, I think that these cars are beautiful and everything with all the gadgets and all and styling is great, engine reliability is excellent, everything but the luxury drive that should be there for this type of vehicle with this type of price tag is not there at all. Unless your okay with that don't look to buy an ls 460 until they do a redisgn and re-engineer and correct their design flaws that are inherent in the ls 460.
To lexus: you need to research how lincoln builds their suspension and take a page out of their book, i mean.. forget the page, take the whole book!
I ended up selling my lexus.
I too have been a long time Lexus fan. Prior to my current 2011 LS 460 I had a 2009 LS, 2001 LS and 1996 ES.
Up until the 460 I was convinced Lexus made the best car for the money in the world.
However with the 460 things have changed. I still love the styling and the technology but the engineering and assembly is now badly flawed.
My problems with the 8 speed AWD in my 2009 LS are well documented on the other Lexus owner's site. Lexus (to their credit) eventually did a buyback. I thoroughly test drove the replacement 2011 and, at that time, could not detect a problem. But now, after 10,000 miles the transmission is starting to show the same flaws. I am not surprised Lexus choose to not use the 8 speed in the new GS
The brake actuator was replaced on the 2009 and that solved the clicking brake problem. The rear air suspension on the 2011 is now creaking and groaning and I suspect it will need to be completely replaced.
Both the 2009 and 2011 have the engine ticking but the 2011 is a little quieter.
My 2001 LS was flawless but based on my LS460 experience this will be the last Lexus I will own.
Some guy in a 1991 LS came buy me the other day and I told my wife I wish I had that one back.
Let us know how it works for you. What update is it, 2013?
Dan
It suggested my car might be overdue for maintenance and at the bottom of the email were two coupons: one for a complimentary car wash and one for a free loaner car (the expiration date on the coupons was four weeks from now). What?! Is Lexus doing away with the complimentary wash and loaner car for major service?
Thanks for trying to help me.
Dreamer Bill - 2012 LS 460 L awd. Tired of carrying key fob, cell phone, front door key, office key, motorcycle key, etc, etc.
Bill - Northwest IN - 2012 LS460 L AWD.
Limited by zip code. Thats possible and probable because they are trying to sell what the local dealers stock? Maybe - but it's BS. Last summer we purchased a demo 2012 LS 460L awd with 6000m and it was loaded we thought. While reading the owners manual I found 2 items that were not listed on the "Build Your Own Lexus" program. Only the choice of 3 packages were shown if my memory is correct. I would have waited and held out for the Lane Assist had I known about it. Love the car but the hiding of the options has left a bitter taste......
Bill - retired in Northwest IN
Admittedly, what the Lexus has, is better and works longer and more reliably than most other brands, but it doesn't always have everything I can get elsewhere, today.
Thank you in advance.
For Week Ending Dec 12
Above Average Below Oct 2012 Jun 2012 Dec 2011
Sale Price $47,226 $42,697 $38,168 $44,789 $40,433 $0
Odometer 20,481 40,961 61,442 26,610 65,690 0
Total Sold All 17
2011
For Week Ending Dec 12
Above Average Below Oct 2012 Jun 2012 Dec 2011
Sale Price $53,600 $48,490 $43,380 $50,480 $53,033 $57,525
Odometer 8,723 17,446 26,169 16,199 18,202 8,351
Total Sold All 7 5 3 4
Anyone have the same problem?
And if so, did it end up being a transmission problem, or a computer chip problem?
I traded it in on a 2012 Avalon, which is much more "Premium Luxury Sedan" then the 2013 (in my opinion). In any case. After all is said and done, I should have purchased the used LS 460 that I REALLY wanted:(
Oh, I highlighted "Premium Luxury Sedan" because that is what Toyota claims the New Avalon is?
- Sports Mode Controls
- Sports Paddle Shifters?
- Sports Ride?
- Low Profile tires?
- Seats that have much greater bolstering for sharp turns?
So a few questions if I may.
- What is maintenance like for those with a used LS, that they have serviced at a local service center or Toyota dealer? I ask, because I'm guessing it's a lot less money for service work there, instead of the Lexus dealer?
- What will I like about trading my 2012 Avalon in on a LS?
- What might I not like?
- What kind of things should I watch for, Consider?
- Insurance costs?
Is it worth it, or should I just stop while I'm ahead, and keep the Avalon (for now:))
I put on about 35,000 + miles a year (in sales), so the comfort and quietness is a big deal with me.
The 2013 Avalon was nice but it was
- Smaller inside
- Higher road noise (likely from the 18" tires / rims
- not as comfortable as the 2012 Avalon
- Smaller trunk opening on 2013
- Space Saver Spare on 2013
- No Reclining rear seats on 2013 (we go on 5 - 8 vacations a year with passengers)
While the 2013 Avalon has a hell of a Tech Package, quiet wipers, great Fit, Finish and Trim that I will and do miss, it's missed on other important area for me. I will say, I wasn't a big fan of all the colors for the trim, and or the fact they were raised panels.
In any case, your thoughts and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Skip
I fully and unreservedly recommend the LS. Stay away frokm the 07, first year they had a few "issues". If you can afford it, I'd get the 10 or newer. They had some nice upgrades in the Technology package starting in 10. Get the Mark Levinson sound, definitely worth it. If you want reclining seats, you'll need the Ultra Luxury package. They are a good buy used, and as solid as a bank vault. If you can afford it, I'd trade the Avalon for one, myself. If I couldn't afford the LS, I'd get the GS or the ES. Also, amazing cars.
Advice opinions experiences. Thks
While the Avalon is a great car, for $90.00 more in gas, not sure but I'd rather be driving an LS (with Air Suspension)?
Skip
PS Maybe I should consider an Air Suspension for the Avalon???
Yes, I have read some things on the other thread but I am starting a new one in hopes it will be devoted to clicking/clacking brakes and nothing else. Thanks!
We have a 2008 LS460. When we bought it, it had around 9,000 miles on it. I soon noticed a loud clicking noise in the front end when we stopped. It was worse in reverse, but present in both directions. This is no small noise; it can be heard from ten feet away. It sounds like something has play in it and moves to hit a stationary object when the brakes are applied.
During hot weather, 100 +, it is much more pronounced than in cold weather, 30 or so. It is something that can be avoided by braking very, very slowly. Normal braking causes it.
We took the car to our local dealer about four times. We are told this is normal noise. We have owned a Toyota Avalon and two Lexus before this one and had no similar problem.
This is very annoying in light we paid $50,000 for the car. We own a Ford van that is much quieter.
I have read about changing actuators or something. Our dealership has never mentioned that to me. The impression I get is they want me to go away.
I would appreciate any information anyone may have.
TwoCatSam@cox.net
The Avalon is my second choice, if I couldn't afford another LS, or ES. The GS, I really don't care for - never have. Even the new one just seems to be - well - saying, "gee, I could have had a V-8!".
I was reading this threat and came across this question. I was wondering if your LS460 is equipped with air suspension? This is an option on the LS460 L.
The reason I ask is because I noticed a similar noise on my 2008 460L . II occasionally get constant clicking of small moving parts or chain. It usually turns on and off for about 30 seconds when the car is turned on or stops at a red light.
If this is the case, then yes the dealer technician might be right as the manual indicates this is not a malfunction. It is simply the operating sound of the air suspension compressor. When the" high mode" is selected, the compressor sound is normal.
I was worried for a second myself, but now that I don't have the air suspension working I have not heard this noise.
Many thanks