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  • razzy2razzy2 Member Posts: 10
    I'm going to check the MDX demo's tire pressure at the dealer. From what everybody says about the MDX I was really surprised at the harshness of the ride. The tire pressure may well be the culprit.

    As for trying the 2002 Explorer, I have driven a 2002 Eddie Bauer. I've got a 97 Eddie Bauer and the new ones are much cheaper inside. I've got the SOHC 6 and it's a rocket. The 2002 seems much slower and the ride, though much improved is worse than and not as controlled as the MDX.
  • rdhgirl1rdhgirl1 Member Posts: 4
    Saw a GG Touring at a used car lot here in Reno. I couldn't believe it! Went in to see if I can get a deal, and to my amazement, this sleazy car salesman had the nerve to charge 41K for a used MDX!!! Granted it only had 2750 miles, but bottom line--it's still used. Can't imagine why the previous owner traded it in. Salesguy said they needed something bigger and opted for an Excursion. IMHO, previous owner should've just sold it himself.
    Needless to say, told the dealer he can keep the vehicle. I've been on the wait list since Dec.'00, and just got word that I've moved from 19th to 5th. We're probably looking at two more months, which is fine with me. Paying MSRP is bad enough, but more than MSRP for a used is absolutely ridiculous.
  • tonychrystonychrys Member Posts: 1,310
    You're absolutley right about supply and demand, and demographics. While living in the NY/NJ/CT area isn't cheap, it also blesses us with lot's of dealers to choose from and competition can be fierce if you know how to "work" the dealers. Because the larger space of the MDX wasn't an absolute necessity for me (1 child), the RX was a great choice because in my parts you get a fully loaded one for about $38.5k. I've even recently heard of folks getting fully loaded RXs plus the chrome wheels ($850 invoice) for still under $39k, which is unheard of.

    I'm not sure where you are getting your prices on the 2001 Exploder Eddie Bauer Edition. I'm no fan of Fords, but I do know my pricing. There is currently $2000 cash back until August so that dealers can get rid of these things. I went to www.carsdirect.com and configured (using my zip code) a 2001 with evey conceivable option and it prices out as follows:
    MSRP= $37,970
    Invoice= $34,463
    CD Price= $32,763

    Like I said, Ford is giving these things away.

    You're right about MDX delivery (being sporadic), here in the NY area folks luck out and get them within 4 to 6 weeks sometimes. I hope your wait isn't too long, I'm sure you'll enjoy it once you get it! Definitely watch out for the dog nails on the leather seats, I think they sell pet barrier nets for the MDX to keep them in the back.
  • mystkabmystkab Member Posts: 4
    I went to a dealership to test drive the new 2002 Acura TL S type but the vehicle sold the night prior to my visit. However, once I drove up to the dealership I noticed an MDX on the lot . I asked if I could test drive it and I was told that the person who ordered it declined delivery due to a change of heart on the exterior color. The car was the Touring Navi with $2800 worth of accessories. I didn't particularly care for all the accessories but I was too excited about acquiring this car on the same day that after my test drive agreed to purchase it. I drove it home the same day.

    My initial impressions are exhilarating.
    I do however have a few concerns.
    #1) the seat isn't as comfortable as I'm accustomed to in a luxury sedan.

    #2) With the 3rd row seats folded down, every time I shift gears or stop I hear this annoying flapping banging noise. I first thought it was the 3rd row headrests that were stored in a rear compartment ,but I removed them and still have the same noise. I haven't yet determined where it's coming from.

    Overall the drive is really smooth and handling is great. The Navi system is perfect for someone like me who has a poor sense of direction.

    I love the MDX. I just have to twaek these minor issues.
  • thewormtheworm Member Posts: 80
    Congrats on your purchase! Your seat(s) will soften up a bit after you've had the car a couple of months. I, too, felt our seats were kinda "hard" for the first few weeks.

    Insofar as the flapping/banging -- if it isn't the headrests -- could it be the "fuel tank sloshing"? Other thing to check is positining of the seatbelts in the 2nd and 3rd rows -- are the outboards banging against the pillars? Is the center properly mounted in the ceiling?

    Good luck and let us know.
  • rr53rr53 Member Posts: 1
    Recently purchased MDX/Touring. Do have some quality issues.

    1)Numerous strands of material poking through the leather perforations of the driver's seat's bottom portion.
    2)Auto function of driver's window does not work.
    3)Slight moaning sound audible when pressing the brake at slow speeds (not from brakes themselves but possibly from the master cylinder hydraulics).

    Will be at the dealers this week. Anyone else with similar problems? Minor but annoying issues in an expensive vehicle.

    Also, buying the vehicle was not a pleasant experience as my previous purchase of a 99 TL from same dealer. They were bloodthirsty in selling a popular model. May have lost me as a future repeat buyer.
  • houtexanhoutexan Member Posts: 28
    MPG for 240mile freeway was 23.4mpg. That is right on the EPA est. Not too bad. On the return trip, I pushed harder to 80+ most of the trip and had to drive at 30mph for about 20 miles (major thunderstorm) and still got over 20mpg.

    It's not as good as my Camry V6 in terms of mpg. But I drove through 2 thunderstorms and I'm glad I took my MDX on this trip.
  • mystkabmystkab Member Posts: 4
    I researched this thud, thumping, banging noise and found a whole thread on this topic at acuramdx.org site. The common consensus is that this is a very common problem that Acura Customer Service is well aware of. 800-382-2238. It mat be related to Struts AKA loose suspension components but is not related to fuel tank sloshing or headrests banging in the rear compartment.
    I hope Acura comes up with a permanant fix very soon..
  • thewormtheworm Member Posts: 80
    mystkab --

    Your description of the clank/clang/clunk indicated that it exists with the 3rd row down. It also didn't describe "the thud" to which you're referring over @ acuramdx.org -- that's more of a one-time "thunk/thud" and typically manifests on hard braking/turning or going over speedbumps @ 20mph.

    Are you sure you're talking about the same thing. If not, check your rear seatbelts and make sure they're properly attached to the rear pillars AND that the metal buckles are clipped to the belt itself. You might also check the jack compartment (rear left).

    rr53 --

    Seat fuzzies - known issue. They'll wear off (well, your butt will wear them off) in pretty short order. More noticable on black, of course since the lining inside the seat is offwhite.

    Auto function shoulda been caught on dealer prep if they were paying attention. So should any odd humming/moan from the brakes/cylinder. BTW, everyone's brake makes an audible "hiss" when pressing the pedal -- it's just the compression of the hydraulic thingamajig that returns the pedal -- but your moaning description sounds way beyond that!
  • inkyinky Member Posts: 370
    I drove an MDX about 2 weeks ago for fun. Saleman said 4-5 months with huge list. blah blah blah.
    Thursday he calls me and says we have two unexpected factory allocations available in 2 weeks and 4 weeks. Do you want for MSRP and no options? Why would they not give these to folks in line with $500 down already. Scam!!! Cannot wait until Alabama plant is up and MDX is sold at a discount in 18 months!
    INKY
  • tonychrystonychrys Member Posts: 1,310
    Your experience is not unique. Back in January I painted myself into a corner by letting out Pathfinder lease go into overtime, no warranty either. I needed to get into a vehicle ASAP. Local Acura dealer tells me 6 - 8 week wait (next shippment), I tell him thanks, but no thanks, I have to get into a vehicle right away. Calls me two weeks later asking if I'd like to drive an MDX home that day.

    I agree, if there is such a waiting list, why is this guy offering me the vehicle instead of the folks signed up. Some poor customer with a downpayment who really wants the vehicle is getting screwed.
  • railrrailr Member Posts: 36
    With the downturn in the economy, a lot of those on waiting lists may not be able to afford to buy the MDX right now. There are also lots of people who have placed their names on more than one waiting list. Lastly, they may be base models or have Touring/Nav not wanted by people on their lists... or simply not thr right colour.... too many option to contemplate... besides the one that you elected to.

    Rail
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    '01 Mahogany 18" wheels, silver side steps...
  • inkyinky Member Posts: 370
    I was offered a Mesa Beige Touring or
    a Mahogony Touring. I think the economy, high gas prices and the like will make the 2002's readily available. I give great credit to dealers who hold the line at MSRP.
    INKY
  • mystkabmystkab Member Posts: 4
    After driving my new MDX Touring Navi for one week I have this annoying loud clumping sound that appears to come from the back interior of the car.

    It doesn't occur all the time but it happened a # of times today while the car was at rest as soon as I quickly turned off the ignition one loud flapping sound. I restarted the engine and once again as soon as I turned it off quickly I reproduced this same sound.

    Any suggestions as to what this might be?

    It's not the seat belts, buckles or rear headrests in compartment. I now see that it happens with the rear seats up or down.
    Thanks for you help.

    PS what is the small rubber stopper for on the lower center of the interior tailgate. I pushed it in and see some silver lever but can't figure out what purpose it has.
  • jq3jq3 Member Posts: 52
    like the MDX...alot. Currently, we own a 4-Runner which has given us ZERO problems, but something bigger would be nice. On the other hand, since gas prices are going through the roof I believe we'll be in the market for a sedan. Here in NC there seems to be a supply problem as well because I have yet to see one on the lot. Then again, the dealership could always be playing games to make it seem like they just can't get them in fast enough to justify the prices. But, you wait, if gas prices continue to soar they'll be begging us to purchase thier precious SUV! Those babies will be discounted so much they'll be owing you money after the purchase!
  • inkyinky Member Posts: 370
    I disagree somewhat. The MDX is one of the most efficient usefull SUV's out there. The economy is vastly better than say a Dodge Durango 10-12 mpg or the Yukon thing. City mileage does suffer in this heavy SUV but highway is decent. 22-23 is advertised and verified by most owners. I do think the general sofning of economy is hurting, plus who wants to fill a 20 gallon tank every couple of days. The new CRV and RAV4 are ready for $2-3 dollar gas but they are small.
    INKY
  • fastfingersfastfingers Member Posts: 6
    I have been waiting for a Mahogany touring since November. We have been given every line in the book, i.e., tough color combination with touring, popular color, They don't make many etc, etc, etc,. We were told by Sunny side Acura of Nashua NH. that one would be in by March, April, May, End of May. My wife finally cornered the sales guy and said "Do you have definiative information? His answer>>>> da da!! not sure! Today we find out it will be another 6-8 weeks. Who wants to by a 2001 in July! for MSRP!!!! We asked if they would discount- It took him 5 minutes to get off the floor laughing at us-the line "If you don't buy it someone else will"

    I believe the attitude of Acura Sales people will eventually bring this company down. We are looking at other vehicles. The new Buick Rendezvous is well equipped -Has the same size 3rd seat and has a few more extras for 6 K less. It also is a 2002. However, it has about 50 horses less. A bit of a trade off.

    Inky- Where is the dealer offering the Mahogany?

    Fastfingers
  • aheadfullaheadfull Member Posts: 6
    Have you called around to the other Boston area dealers to see if they have anything available? I had great luck with Brian Farrington at Inskip Acura (401-821-1510) in Warwick, RI. We ordered a GG MDX w/Nav in mid-February, its due next week. I think they're out til September now, but I'd call around. You never know.

    Scott
  • gate81gate81 Member Posts: 2
    inky, tonychrys -- care to identify the dealers which you have found to be playing games with waitlists and availability?
  • tonychrystonychrys Member Posts: 1,310
    I have no problem, but I can't see how it will help you unless of course you live in my area.

    There are two that come to mind that contacted me after the fact with availability. One is Acura of Valley Stream, NY and the other is Island Acura, NY.

    Monmouth County Acura, NJ (?) was doing the dealer slap-on accessory to the max. When I was shopping the MDX I reported back to this board that the dealer had succeeded in jacking the price $6000(!) over MSRP with every conceivable add-on and "service".

    Best of luck if you are shopping, I hope it goes well.
  • fastfingersfastfingers Member Posts: 6
    My wife has called numerous dealers in the area and we get the standard 3 month plus wait. Some of the dealers are removing their demos or allowing demos only during the week- no weekends. My wife has packed it in and will end up purchasing a Buick Rendezvous.

    We asked Sunny Side Acura of Nashua NH if we could be at the front of the list for 2002 and they said January- maybe. They really don't care. I recently purchased an Infiniti g-20 and the Infiniti dealers are world class when it comes to customer satisfaction. At a minimum Acura dealers should make an attempt to be concerned about their customers. Sunny side and few other Acura dealers really don't care.

    Fastfingers
  • singlethreadedsinglethreaded Member Posts: 22
    Finally got a chance to test drive the MDX and I must say it did not meet my expectations. While it is still at the top of my list, I'm finding it a bit easier now to walk away. Here is my gripe. This car should not be considered a luxury SUV. Near-luxury or premium, as the rental agencies would have it. The quality of the amenities and ride just are not there. The flat row seats look and feel like cheaply stained leather on plywood and the sound system is tinny and average sounding, at best.

    After getting our of the MDX into my 1995 Camry, the Camry felt more like the luxury car. While the engine and brakes are adequate for a car this size, the ride reminds you that you are in an SUV. Body lean is still evident on normal turns and you still feel every New England bump.

    I was disappointed. I still offered to buy the demo (which of course they wouldn't), but I came away feeling ready to hit Edmund's to check out the Explorer, Mountaineer and other 3 row options. The MDX is a raised minivan with a $11K premium.

    I'm starting to think all the posts here are ACURA sponsored propaganda. This car is merely a nice minivan in a disguise to satisfy the pretentious soccer mom -- unfortunately I married one. FMV should be $31,500 falling to $29,000 when the competition catches up.
  • kenyeekenyee Member Posts: 738
    Did you test drive the Base model or Touring model?

    Sadly, Toyota is using cheaper material on their newest Camry's. My brother also has that model. The dash plastic is harder and cheesy looking on the new ones :-P

    The MDX street ride is the best tradeoff I've tried and it feels the most "carlike" of the midsize SUVs (but I have an ML instead for various other reasons :-). I think you'll find that other SUVs will have more lean (with the exception of the X5) and pothole feel, but please post a comparo w/ the Explorer after you've tried it. I'm curious. The ML also has a 3rd row option, but it sounds like you want a fold down/hide away 3rd row; you also won't like the pothole feel of the ML.
  • bobputbobput Member Posts: 22
    Very curious as to whether you drove a Base or "Touring" MDX (roof rack is the main visual clue), which has the much superior Michelin Cross Terain tires?:?? Your description of the ride/handling does not jive with my "Touring", at least unless your roads are fairly terrible/bumpy compared to what I drive on !! My opinion is that the ride vs. handling compromise is just about perfect for this type of Crossover, and cornering is quite CRISP
    Shouldn't Edmunds start a separate CUV area now, since there is a flood of these car based "SUV"s-- MDX , Highlander , Rendezvous, Santa Fe, Escape/Tribute , and VW Porsche and Honda about to join in. ?
  • singlethreadedsinglethreaded Member Posts: 22
    The model I tried was a tricked-out Base model. The dealer had added the roof-rack, pin-stripes, side step, etc... but it was a base model with Goodyear tires.

    These New England roads weren't the late february chasm-type potholes; it was more the patchwork variety. I have spent a three weeks of the last 2 months in rented Volvo Cross Country cars and was expecting that the MDX was gravitating towards this car-like feel. While the bumps were not aggravating, everyone was apparent -- much more so than on the XC.

    Also, as it is a higher vehicle it did have an apparent lean on turns, albeit probable less than other SUVs. However, because of this one still needs to drive this vehicle as an SUV. I was able to disregard this and drive with abandon the XC. But with that comes the tradeoffs, the XC for all its apparent size had very little interior cargo room and the spare tire hatch in the back that they call a third seat is criminal.

    I thought I would be able to compare the MDX to the XCountry, but the Volvo is more a SV than a SUV. I will try to test drive the Explorer and its cousins this weekend and will report back.
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    No, splitting them up would be tough since you can look at it from so many perspectives/definitions. For example, is the Pontiac Aztek/Buick Rendezvous considered an SUV or a car/minivan-based SUV? Same with the MDX, with it having Honda Odyssey underpinnings. Since the definition of "SUV" is constantly changing, we have simplified things by keeping them under one umbrella SUV message board...at least for now.

    Hope this helps!

    Drew
    Host
    Vans, SUVs, and Aftermarket & Accessories message boards
  • mdx2mdx2 Member Posts: 1
    Everyone should know that Acura of South Florida plays games and lies in its sales tactics. They fail to honor prices they give over the phone. One of their service managers, David Becker, first contacted me on April 18 in response to my internet inquiry, and told me about the "special offer" that his dealership makes to "internet buyers," and that he would sell the vehicle at MSRP with absolutely no additional dealer service fee. He made a big deal about it, and said that I could check around with other Acura dealers that charge a dealer service fee of $399 or $499, but that, unlike these other dealerships, he would not charge any such dealer service fee. At that time, I also inquired about the price of two accessories: the trailer hitch and coolers, and the base carrier kit. For both of these items, he indicated on April 18 that he would charge a price above that on the acura.com web page ($799 for the hitch, and $300 for the roof carrier). On April 26, I called again, to confirm the price "out the door", and spoke with one of David's assistants by the name of Mike, who ran through all the numbers with me, and again confirmed that there would not be any dealer service fee. Just MSRP, plus a charge of $130 to transfer the vehicle registration, plus tax of 6.5%. Later that day, he called me back, and I advised that Mike had run through the numbers with me. I advised that the only thing bothering me was the price on the two accessories, since he was charging above the price on Acura's own website (acura.com). David Becker asked what those prices were, and I told him that the acura.com price for the trailer hitch and coolers was $619, and the acura.com price for the base carrier kit was $263. He said that if that is what it took to get the deal done, he would do it. I called Mr. Becker back today to try to get the deal done, and he completely changed the terms of the deal, stating that he would charge a dealer service fee of $399, and denied ever having offered the "no dealer service fee" deal. He conveniently mischaracterized this as a misunderstanding. This was a blatant misrepresentation. I will take my business elsewhere now and in the future. I will also advise others of these sales tactics.
  • stacycamarillostacycamarillo Member Posts: 23
    Make sure you go to acuramdx.org to rate this dealer. Ugh!
  • kenyeekenyee Member Posts: 738
    I'd suggest you try a Touring. The tires on the Base one are crap. If you shove it hard, it will slide and squeal...
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Despite all your criticisms of the MDX and the "Acura sponsored propaganda" here, you still offered to buy the demo? Guess it wasn't as bad as you're making it sound after you couldn't get it! ;-)

    Seriously, though, most drivers seem to think the Touring Package model, with its Michelin Cross Terrain SUV tires, handles better and has less road noise and a smoother ride. However, one won't get as smooth a ride as a Lexus RX300 (which isn't Lexus-sedan smooth, in my opinion, but very good for an SUV).

    That said, as has often been stated here before, and I'm sure you're aware, ride comfort is an extremely subjective area. E.g. I find the Volvo XC's ride to be more punishing than the MDX's.

    I'm with Ken; if you can go up to the high-30's, low-40's, an ML320 with the M7 third-row seating feature is a good option. Its ride is somewhat harsher but perhaps its characteristics would suit you better. Another vehicle to consider would be the Mitusishi Montero.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Sorry to hear about your bad experience. If you're so motivated, I'd definitely call Acura Customer Service to complain (though I wonder what they'll really do about it), and post your experience in the dealer ratings section of www.acuramdx.org

    No doubt that overall, the quality of Acura sales service is not as high as Lexus, and it starts with the corporate office. Though there are actually many good Acura dealerships you don't hear about.

    Unfortunately, this bad experience should remind folks that one should always get everything in writing whenever possible. A lot of the slimier salespeople who talk "low price" and "I'll make this deal with you" become curiously higher priced when you ask them to pen it onto paper.
  • ghotieghotie Member Posts: 3
    I keep reading about how well Lexus dealers treat you and how they are so much better than Acura. I live in So. NH. and I found the situation just the opposite. Walked into the Lexus dealer and said I was interested in an RX300. Dealer said (and I quote) "Who isn't?" No new RX's on the lot, no brochures, just an arrogant salesman. He let me take a used one for a test ride...I was underwhelmed at best.

    On the otherhand, when I went to the Acura dealer they went out of their way to be professional, courteous and make the whole process as near to enjoyable as parting with $40K can be. 8-)

    Guess this just goes to show that there's good and bad everywhere...
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    I still think that, taken as a national whole, that Lexus dealers provide better service than Acura dealers. Independent surveys by agencies such as Consumer Reports seem to bear that out.

    I agree that Your Mileage Will Vary, as there are some excellent Acura dealers, and some bad Lexus dealerships. I think my local Acura dealership is as good as the local Lexus dealership, and in some ways, better. Then you have to go past just the sales experience to the service experience. In my area, I think the Acura dealership's service department is better than the MB dealership's service department, and that was certainly a factor in our purchase decision.

    I also think Acura can learn a thing or two from some other brands. E.g. MB has a much tighter rein on its dealerships, and is thus able to hold most of them to MSRP on hot vehicles. Meanwhile, the much more independent Acura dealerships pretty much make their own decisions. While most are good, there are plenty of examples of dealerships gouging, e.g. charging above MSRP and/or forcing accessories, sometimes overpriced.

    To be fair, a lot of the good, ethical Acura dealerships that AREN'T gouging just can't please everyone when the vehicle supply is exceeded by the demand. One can legitimately complain that they won't sell a perfectly good demo, but then there are a lot of people who would prefer that the dealership keep demos around so they can actually test drive the vehicle on their way to making an educated decision, whether it's for an MDX or not.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Regarding complaints about excessive wind noise, an enterprising poster on www.acuramdx.org has discovered that it may be a fixable build quality issue (not that it's comforting, but I guess it's better than an unfixable design flaw!).


    Details at:


    http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1656


    I'm not trying to plug another system; this is something that's been a hot topic (along with the leaking mirrors and the thud) for MDX owners and prospective buyers.

  • singlethreadedsinglethreaded Member Posts: 22
    Thanks for the ML320 recommendation -- it provided a bit of perspective as to the MDX. I was shocked to see that the price of the ML320 with leather and third seat is in the same ball park as the MDX. With the current MDX euphoria and accessory laden environment, I bet I could get an ML320 for less. I have only driven five different MBs, but they have always had the same classic interior and accelerator feel. (but let's leave that for another Message Board)

    Without having stepped in the ML320 I know what to expect in terms of ride and amenities. While its unsubstantiated, this supports my feeling that the MDX truly is selling over 5K too high. I'm taking one for the home team and going to help shift the demand curve to the left -- I'll let my local dealers know. There's a dearth supply of people mover's in the 30K range and I'm sure all manufacturer's are now aware of it and will fill the void.

    The MDX is a great car, don't get me wrong. However, I won't be buying one unless it drops into the lower quarter of the 30s.
  • albert123albert123 Member Posts: 71
    The ML320 is definitely a good choice if you're so turned off by the MDX. They are selling at abut the same price. As for wether MDX is overpriced or not, it's a subjective matter. What MDX won me over the ML is the better power performance/handling and the smart design in the 3rd seat/cargo area. For me, MDX should cost at least as much as the ML. The other side of the question is 'is ML overpriced'? Few people say so because it's a Benz?
  • albert123albert123 Member Posts: 71
    Thanks William! I'll try what DMor suggested in his post. Hope I can do it before our trip to Petaluma...
  • llovatollovato Member Posts: 2
    I'm looking to add some accessories to my silver base model MDX but had some questions I was hoping someone could help answer.
    Is hondacuraworld.com the best place to purchase MDX accessories?
    Is the full nosemask/bumper mask removable without lifting the hood? (I'm concerned about theft).
    How functional is the acura cargo net? Is it worth $40? Are there any non-Acura branded alternatives that work well.
    What are your general opinions on the running boards vs. sidesteps. I like the "sporty appearance" of the side steps in pictures but I haven't seen any on the road. Has anyone self-installed the side steps/running boards on their MDX?
    Thanks for your help.
  • ganjaganja Member Posts: 16
    Is the second row seat movable on the MDX to give more leg room for the 3rd row?
    Is it also true that the middle seats (second row) seat belt assembly hangs from the ceiling and is a nuisance?
    Don't know why Honda has not fixed the wind noise problem on all its cars which is quite annoying?
    Thanks
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    No, the second row seat is not movable to make more room for third row passengers. The 40% portion slides forward for access but I believe goes back into the normal position (I haven't had to use the third row seat so my memory on it is a bit vague). Too bad Acura didn't add the sliding feature, but then again, it'd add some weight and mechanical complexity as well as cost.

    The ML320 does have the second row sliding feature.

    It is true that the middle seat belt, when in use, hangs from the ceiling, but it isn't true that it's a nuisance. When the middle seat belt is not in use, it fully retracts into the ceiling. When it is in use, it does hang, but you really don't notice it after you drive a few times with it. The rear view mirror, as small as it is, shows a large expanse and the belt is a thin line in it, and not distracting. I guess if you wanted it to be distracting you could try attaching some stuffed animals to it ;-)

    Honda vehicles have traditionally had more road noise, and probably wind noise, than their Toyota counterparts. That said, some people don't find any issues with wind noise in their MDX's, and some do. With the fix that DMor posted, that could be a major step.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    The cargo net is useful, though there's been some confusion as to how best to install it. www.acuramdx.org, in the Gallery section, has pictures of various installation approaches, as well as other accessories installed on people's vehicles.

    The sidesteps are installable by the do-it-yourselfer but it's fairly tedious since about 72 bolts have to be put it. It'll help if you have a power tool to do it, and it'll help more if you can lift the vehicle. Those who have done it have been satisfied with it.

    Running boards vs. sidesteps is a taste issue. I think the sidesteps look sportier, while the running boards look more refined.

    I can't answer your question about the nose mask. For nose protection, you might be better off with an XPel-type solution ("invisible bra"). I think there's an Edmunds discussion board here on accessories where you can get more info on these alternatives. I don't like the masks because you can trap a lot of abrasive dirt behind them.

    I like hondacuraworld.com, as their prices are highly competitive, and their service is excellent. Most items are priced including shipping so there's no shock at the shipping charge.

    Some posters have mentioned cheaper prices by going to Canadian dealers and taking advantage of the exchange rate, but I don't know of any web sites for it (you might have to call those dealerships' parts departments yourself). www.ahmotor.com also sells discounted MDX accessories so you can compare those as well.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Good luck shopping the ML320. As Albert said, value is fairly subjective. Some don't think the MB is a good value, some think it's a terrific value. You'll find it lacks some features the MDX has, while having features the MDX lacks. Again, I think it'll be based on your priorities in a vehicle.

    The quality of the interior will be nice, but please don't raise your expectations that it'll be like an S-class, or an RX300. I'm not saying this to spite the vehicle, just that as you said, you have an impression without having stepped into one yet.

    Please keep in mind that the 2002 ML320's will have a number of standard and optional enhancements some may find important. You can get more information on these on the M-class discussion board. Good luck!
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    Hah hah, I like that stuff animals idea :-). Did I mention that I have a clip-on Koala bear living on the top part of my rearview mirror? Garfield (sticking his tongue out and yelling "Boo!") is stuck onto the lower passenger part of the windshield to scare my front passenger of my driving ;-)


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  • ganjaganja Member Posts: 16
    thanks for all the replies. While the 3rd row seat is only for kids, I could not figure out if it was big enough to fit a forward facing child seat and will the child have enough leg room :-)
    Still can't decide between the ML and MDX? 2K over MSRP is a mental block for me plus the wait.
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    You may find these Photopoint albums interesting:
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    For more information about the M-class, please feel free to ask the owners in the Mercedes-Benz M-class discussion topic if you haven't already done so. There is also a live Mercedes-Benz chat tomorrow night (every Tuesday night, in fact) at 6-7pm Pacific, so you may wish to drop by too.

    Good luck with your decision!
  • dforrdforr Member Posts: 55
    You probably can't do much about the wait, but 2K over MSRP you should be able to do something about. Plenty of dealers out there selling MDX for MSRP flat. OTOH, you may be able to bypass the wait for that 2K over price. Just expect a wait, as too many buyers for the current level of manufacturing. I'm waiting till October for delivery.
  • dfc101adfc101a Member Posts: 35
    On the third row - a forward facing child seat fits very well with plenty of leg room. For possible comparison, we use the Evenflo Horizon on our MDX and also have a Britax Roundabout. Have tried the Horizon with good results and expect the Roundabout would work about the same. Also have tried a few booster seats as the time is coming. No problem. My 2 1/2 year old really enjoyed sitting where 'the doggies' usually do.

    Rear facing is a completely different matter. The back of the car seat hits the back of the second row. An infant seat might work, but I would personally sit back there myself before going that route.

    As for 2k over MSRP, just don't do it. Not in this economy when competitive viable options exist and many reputable Acura delearships will sell at MSRP while even throwing in an option or 2 like mud guards, etc.

    The good dealers are out there - do some homework/research and MSRP with a smaller than expected wait is very attainable.

    If you must have instant gratification, the ML is your best 7 seat alternative besides a minivan. Surely not popular in this topic, but we love our Odyssey also.

    Good Luck - DC
  • albert123albert123 Member Posts: 71
    The 3rd seat should fit a child or small adult well. My mom-in-law(5'3") was happy sitting there. You can compare all the 3rd seat features between MDX and ML(leg room, how it folds, cargo space w/ & w/o 3rd seat in place, ease of access...). That will help you make your decision.

    If you're in the bay area, there are quite a few dealers that don't charge markup -- Stevens Creek, RedwoodCity to name a couple. Don't pay the markup especially now. I know some people cancelled their orders because of the free fall of stock price. Even when the economy wasn't bad(last Nov), I was able to talk my dealer(Sunnyvale) out of the markup greed.
  • dfc101adfc101a Member Posts: 35
    The absolute best accessory in my 8750 miles . . . Separation Net.

    Simply a must have and very reasonable when compared to 3rd party alternatives. I do not even bother removing it any more. Allows you to fully maximize the cargo space while limiting shifting and sliding of items placed higher than the second row. I actually travel with 2 dogs taking up 2/3rds of the cargo area and our stuff the rest. The separation net keeps everything in the back and a modified metal 3rd party 'car pet gate' keeps the dogs and stuff separated.

    Worst . . . The roof rack for my Base model.

    A moment of weakness because I liked the look better.

    On where to buy. William is trying to be politically correct and present multiple purchasing options, but Tim at Hondacuraworld is the ONLY choice IMO. You can shop price and perhaps find a slightly better deal - although HIGHLY unlikely considering free shipping on most orders through Tim. But, Tim's customer service and attentiveness are unpararalled. In an industry with a shaddy reputation, don't bother with an unknown commodity -- Tim is the real deal.

    Since I do not post much anymore and to remove doubts of self promotion on Tim's part, I have purchased from Tim:

    Base Carrier Kit
    Complete Trailer Towing Pkg - had installed by my dealer and saved big $$$
    Separation Net
    Mud Guards
    Honda Odyssey Extended Warranry
    etc., etc.
  • johnnyrebjohnnyreb Member Posts: 11
    BTW IMHO TIPBS. OTOH IMO FYI INT RTFM TUWFIGO.

    LOL,

    Johnnyreb
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