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  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    Good luck. If you are interested in accessories check out www.hondacuraworld.com. Lots of DIY add ons with complete instructions. I added the running boards, which took only 3 hours on a Saturday.
  • hopeitsfridayhopeitsfriday Member Posts: 396
    djdj, if you want a sun roof deflector, you better hurry.Acura discontinue the factory model due to supply problem, and yes, it really helps on the highway.
  • suvbuyer4suvbuyer4 Member Posts: 10
    Just got by '05 Touring Nav yesterday. Does anyone know if the MDXs have dealer programmable options such as "auto locks where the doors automatically lock once you get to a certain MPH"? I didn't notice anything with a quick scan of the owner's manual.
  • hopeitsfridayhopeitsfriday Member Posts: 396
    no auto lock
  • alphawolfalphawolf Member Posts: 100
    Anyone go and look at a fully loaded Toyota Highlander and compare it to a well loaded MDX?

    MSRP of 2005 MDX Touring Package with Navigation System and Acura DVD Entertainment System adding just running boards and door visors comes to $43,775.

    2005 Highlander 4WD V6 Limited w/3rd Row adding:

    17" Aluminum Wheels w/P215/55R17
    Aggressive Two-Tone Package
    Driver & Fr Passenger Seat Side Mounted
    Heated Front Seats
    Leather Seat Package Includes:Leather Trim
    Window Tint
    Accent Stripe
    Carpet Mats/Trunk Mat (req. Third Seat)
    DVD Entertainment Sys Includes:
    JBL Prem AM/FM/Cass/6 CD in dash Changer
    Touch Screen DVD Navigation System

    ...comes to MSRP of $40,235.

    And it seems people are getting far better prices of MSRP on the Highlander compared to the MDX...according to Edmunds TMV report anyway.

    Granted, it's a Toyota- not a Lexus, but it does share the RX330's chassis.

    I really wish one didn't have to order the Touring package on the MDX in order to get the NAV. :(

    Seems Toyota has come out with the Agressive Two toned paint and fender flares, running boards to pep up the bland image.

    I know the 05 Highlander isn't really out and about yet...but any thoughts?

    I do think the voice activation NAV and wireless cell phone connection and OnStar is pretty cool on the MDX.

    Regards,

    Dean
  • kssod1kssod1 Member Posts: 50
    djdj,
    I am also considering the MDX touring from the new Acura dealer in cleveland. I think I'd like an 05. Do you think that 1k over invoice is reasonable? Also what did they use to value your trade, and how did it compare to Edmonds, NADA, KBB etc.
  • punjabi_sahibpunjabi_sahib Member Posts: 25
    hi guys i know you guys are wondering that wuts up with me , why am i comparing the murano, but i checked out the murano and it is really nice, it has a v6 245hp and very nicely equipped:
    -SE Touring Package
    -Navigation System
    -Mobile DVD Entertainment System
    -Chrome Wheel Package
    -Dynamic Control Package
    -XM Satellite Radio
    MSRP $41,480
    Invoice $37,342
    And SE AWD without this stuff is about 30k and that is not bad, and my favorite feature is that all models come with a 6.3 in info display monitor even if you dont have a nav system
  • punjabi_sahibpunjabi_sahib Member Posts: 25
    hi guys, i've been reading the gvw tax reduction things in a lot of the forums, what is that???
  • todd53todd53 Member Posts: 47
    kssod1

    I just picked up my 2005 MDX Touring w/ Nav and RES for $41,500 from a dealer in North Louisiana. This price was $2,845 below MSRP and rougly $1,500 over invoice. The improvements to the 2005 are well worth the extra cash. The XM radio is very cool, especially the way that song and artist titles can be displayed on the navigation display. Also, the improved voice commands and Onstar are great. Larger fuel tank is nice too. I highly recommend this vehicle.
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  • djdjdjdj Member Posts: 111
    We drove the Highlander immediately after the MDX. Wasn't fair to the Highlander which should be compared to the Pilot.
    The MDX is a luxury vehicle.
    The Highlander rode rougher and louder. Third seat was much smaller.
  • djdjdjdj Member Posts: 111
    Their 2004 Internet price was at invoice, final price under. Did they quote $1K over invoice for a 2005? Still seem to have a bunch of 2004's around. Unless you want XM radio or only keep cars a short time, I think the 2004 would be a better value. Regardless of year, it is such a sweet ride. "Just do it".

    Trade-in was very near the KBB price. Edmund's values seem inflated to me, at least for this region. I didn't pay anywhere near the price they calculated for a 1 year old Mercedes or get offered anywhere near their value for trade-in, even after haggling. KBB price was where everyone ended up.

    Went back on Saturday to get the front license plate frame installed. Very nice treatment, immmediately got a mechanic to install the frame and wash the car. Starbuck's coffee. They also did the paperwork with my insurance agency.
  • otis123otis123 Member Posts: 439
    Highlander doesn't compare with the MDX! Period. Your comparison is the Pilot.

    I sold my 96 Accord 2 weeks ago after purchasing a 2004 MDX last month. I sold it for exactly what KBB said I would...$4500. Tried higher ad(5200.) but the market wouldn't bare it - didn't get 1 call! That was based on Edmund's figures. Finally got bites at $4690. and sold for 4500. Still took 3 weeks... [NYC northern suburbs].
  • hopeitsfridayhopeitsfriday Member Posts: 396
    $40,000 for a highlander? You have got to be kidding me. If you like Toyota, go for the RX330 or the loaded 4 runner instead.
  • frannie15frannie15 Member Posts: 11
    I've looked at and researched more new cars than I care to think about, and have just about concluded I should buy a 2005 MDX Touring. My only concern (besides the price) is that it feels a bit like a truck to me. Have to kind of hitch my way up into it and jump down out of it. I drive an Audi A6 Wagon now and sitting up so much higher in the MDX just doesn't feel comfortable to me. Sales guys tell me I'll get used to it in no time. Are they pulling my leg or do you think they're right?????
  • habitat1habitat1 Member Posts: 4,282
    If you really find the entry/exit of the MDX objectionable, have you considered the Volvo XC90?

    We have an Acura TL and are strong believers in Honda/Acura quality. But I must admit that I don't particularly care for the looks of the MDX and am very impressed with the way the Volvo drives and handles, not to metion my wife's preference for the easier entry / exit. There are several things I like better in the MDX - nav system, bluetooth, third row seat, etc. But the Volvo also has several pluses on it's side and might be worth considering if you are looking for a more car like feel (certainly beats the Pacifica you were considering).
  • kssod1kssod1 Member Posts: 50
    Still ironing out the details. I am going with the 05, my wife likes the new steel blue that you can see on the hil as you pass on 480. I also like the idea of the blutooth. I should end up about 1k over invoice but they still need to come up on trade value.
  • frannie15frannie15 Member Posts: 11
    I did look at the XC90, but didn't drive it. The nearest Volvo dealer is about 1 1/2 hours away and I was worried about reliability and maintenance costs after the warranty period. Our repair and maintenance costs on the Audi have been so high, I didn't want to repeat the mistake. Maybe it would be worthwhile to drive it though and see about the cost of an extended factory warranty.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    Well, it is a truck. It is based off the odyssey, which is a van (truck)...however it isn't a true truck, since it it doesn't have a ladder frame, it has independent suspension all around and is primarily front wheel drive.

    It doesn't drive or really feel like a truck to me though. I think it has a very car like feel in handling. My other truck is an Isuzu Trooper, that drives like a truck.

    If you want the seating capacity, cabin space, AWD, etc, there are not a lot of choices besides something in the SUV Class. I agree with your opinion on the Volvo, especially if the dealer is far away, there is a potential for a lot of back and forth.

    If you don't want the truck feel, try out a pacifica? Not sure if I would get a Chrysler for the same reasons I wouldn't get a VW based vehicle, Volvo, ford and GM car (GM Trucks seem to have a better reputation).

    Another good vehicle to check out is the RX330, that might give you more car like feeling, it is a compromise on space, but probably larger than most car choices.
  • frannie15frannie15 Member Posts: 11
    Have been contemplating the Pacifica. Really like it, but am worried about the reliability and resale value.

    I suppose I should look at the RX330 again. I looked at it when I first started my search, and was surprised at how austere it looked on the interior. We had an LS400 and thought the 330 interior looked pretty cheap in comparison. And I didn't like the way the console was laid out. And the sales guy was way too snooty. I was in my Home Depot shopping clothes that day and I don't think he even wanted me to sit in the car, much less take it for a drive. So, I suppose I could put my prom dress on and go try again.

    There are only two of us and two 9 lb. dogs, so I don't need a great deal of seating capacity, but I'm always hauling things from Home Depot and Costco and driving on the highway between our home and my mother's 200 miles away. So I want something relatively big and safe. Every time I get on the highway, squeezed between vans, trucks, SUV's and big rigs, I feel like a bug about to be squashed in my little Audi. Also, don't need AWD and where available have been looking for a FWD vehicle.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I would try a different dealer before the prom dress...at least if you go back to the same place, insist on a different person. Even go as far as saying to the sales manager, this guy treated me poorly last time I was here and I wish to deal with someone else. People always feel locked into the first person you talk to. If you don't like what is going on, stop it and take control. That will also give them the impression you are a seasoned car shopper...which if you haven't already, I also suggest you try haggling for another car you don't really want at another dealership so you can get used to their crappy lines, how to push them into a deal that works for you, etc. Best of all, know exactly what you are going to pay for the car (out the door) before you go in. Walk if you don't get it. It is a buyers market.

    Edmunds has a lot of good reading prior to buying, I highly recommend.

    Another option is a used RX300, you can let the dogs rip it up and not feel as bad as a new car.
  • habitat1habitat1 Member Posts: 4,282
    Interesting that a Volvo dealer is 1 1/2 hours away, but there are Lexus dealers nearby. We have two homes and our second is in a town with a Volvo dealer, but the closest Lexus dealer is nearly 2 hours away. Go figure.

    Anyway, the XC90 2.5 FWD might have been your ticket, if the dealership was closer. We have friends that got a 2.5 AWD. He researched the heck out of it and, for the 2005 model year, it appears they worked most, if not all, of the bugs out. The XC90 appears to be the best vehicle made by Volvo. But we're still considering the very truck like GX 470 as well as the MDX/Pilot.
  • frannie15frannie15 Member Posts: 11
    Good suggestions. I think the RX300 is prettier anyway. My husband thinks the 330 looks like a bit like a cockroach.

    I actually did make an offer on a 2005 MDX. It was ridiculously low and I figured if they took it I would end up with a good car at a great price and could get used to driving it. The sales guy just laughed, but he did tell me what their bottom line was, which was actually a little lower than what I thought they would take.

    So, still don't know what I want to do, but sincerely appreciate the shopping advice.
  • frannie15frannie15 Member Posts: 11
    Difference is Lexus dealer is near the freeway and Volvo dealer is in town and requires what seems like several hundred stop lights to go through to get there. But I think I will drive the Xc90 FWD next week before making a decision. It's alot of money. Might as well drive them all.
  • otis123otis123 Member Posts: 439
    We bought a 2004 MDX last month to replace a 96 Accord. I wondered about the height difference too, but got over it REAL fast. Nothing but positives all the way, even beyond the obvious safety aspects.

    Funny, the MDX is shrinking every day. There are so many cars out there that are so much bigger. It is really mid-sized...duh...it's a mid-sized luxury SUV. Rides like a car - except for very bumpy rough potholed roads...then it feels like a van/truck.

    Never going back to a sardine can...
  • cigetnicigetni Member Posts: 6
    Hi: I'm 3 months in with my'04 MDX and still loving it; it's black w/chrome running boards and side molding and runs and looks great! I got the coin holder tray someone had recommended, (irk #1); and sprayed teflon on all door hinges and that helped w/closing somewhat, (irk #2). Here's my lone remaining irk: I've had to reset the clock 3 times now; it seems to be losing 2/3 minutes a month.... anybody have any thoughts about that?Cig
  • bman2pbman2p Member Posts: 1
    Bill,
    What's the latest on the navi and XM issue? I have an 04 MDX with NAVI and DVD and am considering adding satelite radio.
    Thanks,
    Brian
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  • frannie15frannie15 Member Posts: 11
    Thanks for the input. We're off tomorrow to try to negotiate a purchase.
  • punjabi_sahibpunjabi_sahib Member Posts: 25
    just chekin out some cars and saw the denali with some impressive features, even though the price was a little more than the mdx,
    - MSRP 49,900
    - INVOICE 43,000
     check it out' it looks good too
  • todd53todd53 Member Posts: 47
    I want to ask anyone who has purchased a 2005 MDX - Do the controls on your steering wheel illuminate at night with headlights on? The controls on my new 05 Touring do not, but I noticed on page 26 of the 05 MDX brochure under "Instrumentation" that the steering wheel controls are supposed to illuminate along which the ignition key hole and power window switches. I'm wondering if perhaps I got an early production model that was not equipped or if they might be faulty. Or perhaps it was simply a typo in the brochure. My Acura dealer is supposed to look into it. Please share your experience. Thanks.
  • habitat1habitat1 Member Posts: 4,282
    I'd be shocked if they don't. The steering wheel controls on my 2004 TL illuminate at night. A must-have feature if you are going to make use of them.
  • kssod1kssod1 Member Posts: 50
    My 2005 touring power window switches light up but the steering wheel buttons also do not. Please let me know what your dealer finds out.
  • kennynmdkennynmd Member Posts: 424
    I know Acura keeps it hush hush when it come to new features and all. But does anyone know if any, wwhen will Acura come out with a new styling/redesign of the MDX. Does Acura usually have a time when they usually change like every 5 or 6 years or so like some vehicles.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    We just took a weekend road trip in our MDX. 4+ hours Saturday morning and 4+ Sunday afternoon back. What a great truck. Every time I go on a long trip I am so happy we got it. Great power on the highway, great highway mileage, very smooth quiet ride, plenty of room for all our stuff and even the boxes of hand-me-downs we get from family. Using the portable DVD player for the kids makes it even better.

    When we hit some roads that had snow the ABS kicked in and we made it around the corner with ease.

    My only complaints are that the kids won't let me get more than 1 or 2 songs from my CDs per trip, so while I load up with 6 great discs, it is either the DVD or Barney tapes.
  • transpowertranspower Member Posts: 213
    The new 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee has an option, QuadraDrive II, which has three electronic limited slip differentials: front, center, rear. This strikes me as the correct method for the ultimate in traction.

    But would I trade my MDX for it? No, the Jeep has just 67 cubic feet of cargo space vs. 82 cubic feet in the MDX. And the gas mileage of the Jeep still is considerably less. But the performance of the Jeep, with a hemi 330 hp V8, is outstanding. Reliability remains to be seen, but has been dismal in the past.

    Hopefully the next version of the MDX will have something similar to QuadraDrive II.
  • otis123otis123 Member Posts: 439
    The Jeep's ride leaves much to be desired. I got sick (as in lost my cookies) riding in the back of a 2001 Jeep GC. Felt like one of those bobhead dolls...

    Sounds like the 2005's ride has improved...but I'm sure it still isn't near the MDX.
  • transpowertranspower Member Posts: 213
    I took a test drive in a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee to see for myself. Unfortunately the dealer didn't have one with the QuadraDrive II, just the QuadraTrack II. I decided to test it anyway and found the Jeep to be firm and taut. However, the interior furnishings don't compare with the MDX and I could visually see that it was considerably smaller in the cargo area. Still, the test drive was much better than that of the Jeep I tested in 2000. No bounces! And steering was precise. Over the next year I'm going to test all sorts of SUV's, finishing up with a test of the 2006 MDX.

    By the way, has anyone heard from WMQUAN? Has he switched out of the MDX or does he still have his 2001?
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Hi Transpower. I'm still around, and still with my 2001 from way back when.

    This is purely speculation on my part (and on that of others), but it's quite possible the next generation of MDX will have the SH-AWD system that is in the new Acura RL. It seems like an evolutionary improvement in VTM-4, applying power to individual rear wheels for cornering and more stability. Though since the MDX isn't a sports sedan, I'm not sure how much difference the SH-AWD system would make.

    It won't be the QuadraDrive II you've mentioned. But like VTM-4, it should be more than adequate for the majority of situations that MDX owners will likely encounter.

    Besides the practical reasons you mentioned, I wouldn't go near a JGC because of concerns over reliability and safety. Previous JGC's haven't done well in reliability, and they didn't have very good crash test scores either.
  • transpowertranspower Member Posts: 213
    OK, good to know you're still around. I too still have my 2001 MDX Touring GG with Nav. But it's now got 69000 miles! It's been great but I would like better traction. I live in Pennsylvania, where even when you're on-road it feels like you're off-road! In the winter, driving in the mountains can be very treacherous. This is why the new Jeep QuadraDrive II system so intrigues me. But I don't like the gas mileage of it (apparently 15-20 or 14-21). And the visibility outward isn't as good as that of the MDX. The ride is, as I said, vastly improved over previous Jeeps, though. I haven't seen any safety ratings yet, and you're right about the lack of Jeep reliability in the past. Still, the new model looks to be of high quality.

    As for the SH-AWD, it seems to be practically the same as the VTM-4. To differentiate the MDX from the RL, one would hope that Acura would put something better in its SUV, like something similar to the QuadraDrive II. If they don't, I'm looking elsewhere.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Transpower,

    Speaking of traction, what kind of tires do you have now? With 69k miles I figure you're on your second set.

    We're at 52k miles and the original Michelin Cross Terrains. A number of MDX owners have tried the Goodyear Fortera's, which have good reviews on tirerack.com and with Consumer Reports. The latter's tests rank the Fortera's very highly while the Cross Terrains don't do too well overall.

    I'm probably going to try the Forteras as our next tire. Our MDX has done well over the mountain passes in the Cascades, but better snow traction would be nice.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I find the cross terrains to be very good handling wet and dry, good grip and good snow traction. I only have 20K on mine, but would definitely consider a second set.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    I find the Cross Terrains very good too, but the Consumer Reports round-up really opened my eyes. It sounds like you can do even better overall.

    Consumer Reports claims that the Fortera's are much better than the Cross Terrains in handling and dry braking. They also gave the Fortera's the edge over the Cross Terrains in wet braking and hydroplane resistance. The Cross Terrains had an edge in ice braking, and were much better in rolling resistance. Snow traction, ride, and noise were considered comparable between the two tires.

    So far, the feedback from MDX owners going to Fortera's, after their first set of Cross Terrains is very positive. I've only seen posts from a few owners in various forums, but all claim the Fortera's are a significant upgrade.

    It looks like the competition in this passenger tire segment is heating up. It used to be that one had to look at light truck tires for alternatives.
  • transpowertranspower Member Posts: 213
    Yes, I'm on my second set of Michelin Cross Terrains. I checked the Tire Rack, and the Michelins still seemed to be the best. However, the November 2004 issue of Consumer Reports rated the Cross Terrains number 19 out of 22--pretty bad and quite confusing, frankly.

    Speaking of reviews, did you see the November 2004 issue of Motor Trend--the one featuring the Land Rover LR3 as the SUV of the year? The Jeep GC with QuadraDrive came in a close second; on p. 67: "All the above was considered during a spirited debate that nearly degenerated into arm-wrestling and name-calling before the final vote was taken and the Jeep was narrowly defeated."

    Back on p. 66: "After the burly QX56 dug and scratched its way up the course and the Nissan Pathfinder (with open front and rear differentials and no traction control) excavated gigantic ruts trying unsuccessfully to climb the hill, the new Jeep ambled up as though traversing suburban speed bumps, throwing less dust and gravel than even the Land Rover LR3 (that truck uses its brakes to equalize torque on the front axle)." (The LR3 has an open front differential.)

    What probably lost the contest for the Jeep was the braking on the downhill descent: "The Landie's brakes also trumped the Jeep's, descending the hill at a similarly brisk pace with no fade, while the Jeep's binders were burning." (p. 67). C'est la vie. Hey, our 2001 MDX won its contest!
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Transpower,

    I think that the Cross Terrains' performance in Consumer Reports rating wasn't as bad as it looked. It's true they placed 19th out of 22 (the Fortera's were #1). But the review had a bunch of light truck tires mixed in there too.

    Fans of the Yokohama Geolander point out that the variant that CR tested wasn't the best one, so it's hard to say how that particular model would have done.

    Interesting comparo on the LR3 and JGC!

    Unfortunately, I don't place much stock in Motor Trend's Car/SUV/Truck of the Year awards. I think the winner is as much decided by what manufacturer wants to pony up the most money to perform a marketing campaign based on the award. Not that the LR3 isn't a capable vehicle, it seems very strong. But I'd keep my MDX over the LR3 for our own needs. I wonder how reliable the LR3 will prove to be

    Say, on another old-timer subject -- have you had any issues with your transmission? I did have one incident of a violent transmission shudder, but it was about 20k miles ago. I've had the recall applied and they installed the add-on but did not replace the transmission. I'm still nervous about it, but hopefully it'll go until late 2007 when we plan to replace the MDX.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I think CR is a good yard stick...but I wouldn't use it to hold water. I think they are influenced by advertising and selling magazines which effects their objectivity. Decent resource, yes...rule, no.

    I will have to research the Fortera's. From what I have read all the past goodyear SUV tires I have read about have not been very good, with poor wet/snow traction.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    I think CR is a good yard stick...but I wouldn't use it to hold water. I think they are influenced by advertising and selling magazines which effects their objectivity.

    CR is not influenced by advertising. They do not accept advertisements.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    Perhaps you are correct on the advertisements. Not worth having a long CR debate here.
  • transpowertranspower Member Posts: 213
    WMQuan:

    I've never had any transmission problems. I did have the fix applied, and posted here when I did. My MDX has been very, very reliable. I'm just looking for more traction, which the Jeep GC has. I'm also looking for better fuel economy, which the Jeep hasn't. Curious that the Jeep Liberty can be ordered with a Diesel, though.

    The Motor Trend review included the Ford Freestyle, a car-based SUV with only 203 hp and a CVT. It does get 18/26 EPA mileage. However, the editors basically trashed the vehicle, saying that "it's not really an SUV at all. But tag it with that nebulous term, 'crossover,' and it makes a good car." (p. 63). Funny, one of the article subheading's (p. 62) is "Ford Freestyle: Are you sure you're meant to be here?"

    Along with the Jeep, I recently tested the 2005 Buick Rendezvous Ultra. Remember how we used to always criticize the Rendezvous for it's pitiful old 185 hp engine? At least, now, the Ultra is rated at 245 hp and gets fairly decent mileage; it's also roomy inside. Alas, it turned out to be awful to drive; the shifter is on the steering column, and the ride was bouncy and very noisy. No wonder there's going to be a new Rendezvous for 2006!
  • habitat1habitat1 Member Posts: 4,282
    Curious, what kind of MPG are you gettting out of the MDX that has you wanting for more?

    We are considering an MDX and GX470. The GX qualifies for the accelerated tax write off, making it less expensive after tax than the MDX by a significant amount. The 2005 GX470 has a more powerful (270hp/325 ft.lb) VVti engine. However, my wife still prefers the size of the MDX and the MDX is rated 2-4 mpg better than the GX.

    If you aren't getting the EPA ratings on your MDX, let me know. I might not feel as guilty getting the GX.

    And if you can wait, an engineering friend of mine just returned from Japan, where they checked out the RX400 hybrid. It will be available here in April. They are supposedly capable of 0-60 in 7+/- seconds and 25+/- mpg in the city. The RX doesn't fit our size and utility needs, but it probably will steal some market share form the MDX.
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