Lexus RX 300

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  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Everything except oil and filter(s) changes up until 90k miles is all dealer rip-off.
  • kmhkmh Member Posts: 143
    Thanks to those who responded.

    I'll contact Lexus and see what they say about the seatbelts and warranty.

    I'll post a reply if I learn anything new. Thanks.
  • raddboy41raddboy41 Member Posts: 249
    I agree with you again!! The world is truly off it's axis! He's correct, oil & filters(air & oil) and forget it!
  • bungobungo Member Posts: 6
    Am having trouble locating larger-than-thumbnail photo(s) of RX300 in Sunset Mist Pearl. My dealer (NH) says this will have to be a ...special order... Can anyone pse point me to a site I could find some pics of this color, or send me email with their pics?
  • gsenthilgsenthil Member Posts: 154
    Check out my website for RX300 Pics. I think there are sme in Sunset Mist Pearl.
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    special order? When I was getting my RX, there were a few sunset RXes on the dealer's lot. That was JM Lexus in South Florida.
  • cengmdcengmd Member Posts: 1
    jeffmust2

    What are the "two simple buttons over the Navi screen to change it to dark background at night"? It is not obvious in the manual.
  • briegelbriegel Member Posts: 139
    Just wanted to let folks in the Pacific Northwest know about the pricing I got on my 2002 RX. Purchased (actually it was a lease) mine from Lexus of Bellevue this week for $35,818 which is $500 over invoice. It is the AWD with Wood and Leather Steering Wheel, Rear Spoiler, Two-Level Heated Front Seats, Cargo Mat, Accessory Crossbars, Cargo Net, Wheel Locks and Premium Plus Value Package, in Burnished Gold...$39700 MSRP.

    Did all the negotiating via email and phone with Tracie Holliday, the Internet Sales Manager. Lexus of Seattle had the identical vehicle priced at $36,500. Was emailing with Jim Simmonds, the Internet Sales Manager, about this one but the Burnished Gold got sold the night before I was ready to commit. Then got the better pricing from Lexus of Bellevue. Traded my 1999 RX at wholesale.

    Dealing with both Jim and Tracie was smooth, straight-forward and professional.
  • gambiamangambiaman Member Posts: 131
    Willard: You said only oil and filter changes til 90K. The maintenance manual says to change the brake fluid and coolant at 30k/60k etc (MY01). Comments? And if you don't follow manual and have a problem can Lexus say the vehicle was properly maintained per manual?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    But as far as the brakes are concerned I'd rather take my chances on having to pay for brake repairs than risking my life to a "who cares, I'll have another job by tomorrow morning" GOFER.

    Draining and replacing coolant isn't really a good idea either IMMHO but the cost should be minimal so...
  • jimxojimxo Member Posts: 423
    Just recently I started hearing a crackling sound coming from the sunroof (01). I had the dealer check this during my oil change last week but the service tech could not reproduce the sound. Well it started up again a day later so I called to bring it in. I have determined that it is coming from the sunroof where the glass meets the front plastic edge.

    If you push up on it the sound is there. Has anyone else experienced this problem?
  • ravlravl Member Posts: 129
    Was the price you negotiated arrived at before you dealt with the trade in? A lot of times, the dealer will give a great deal on the new car in order to have the used car to sell. I had to give away my RAV4L as it is difficult to sell by owner a newer used car.What trade in value did you get for your '99?

    Congrats! How do you like the feel of the '02 vs. your '99?
  • ravlravl Member Posts: 129
    There is a specific noise the sunroof makes that is the metal around the opening expanding and contracting due to cold air inside and hot air outside. I'm not sure if anyone's been able to eradicate the noise completely, but one way to diminish it is to keep the cover closed.

    Those who've had a repair made, did it stop the noise for good or has it come back?
  • briegelbriegel Member Posts: 139
    Yes, the price on the new RX was arrived at before the trade was dealt with. The trade value was $21,800 for my '99 RX with 54,460 miles on it.

    So far have not noticed a lot of difference in the feel of the '02 versus the '99, but we only have 132 miles on the new one. The new one has Bridgestone Dueler tires which are quieter than the Les Schwab Wild Country APT tires (which I felt really good about and hated to lose) that I had put on the '99. The important things to me are that the '02 has the VSC/TRAC and side-impact air bags...and of course you can't discount that new car smell!
  • newtosuvnewtosuv Member Posts: 9
    I have a 2001 RX with Nav. Sometimes I hear a clicking sound coming from the dash. It sounds like it is coming from the area of the Nav Screen. Any ideas of what this could be? Thanks.
  • mikey00mikey00 Member Posts: 462
    The noise is a known problem with many 2001's. The Highlander has a TSB on the problem (TSB: NV014-01). I am not sure if there is a TSB out yet for the RX.
    I am planning on calling my dealer in a week or so to attempt repair again. He tried to fix it about 5 times last year without any success.
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    Cengmd - you're right; it's a non-existent procedure in the manual, including the extra "2001 Lexus Navigation Manual."

    Strange!

    With the Nav sys working, push the "Display" button on the lower right. The screen preferences will come up on the monitor; push the "Day Mode" screen soft-touch button and your display's background will turn from white (default)to black.
  • ravlravl Member Posts: 129
    As you can see, the trade in value of the vehicle will net them their $3-4k profit *easily*!
    Unless the value of the '99 has dropped significantly in the past year...Last I checked, they were around $26-27k.
  • ravlravl Member Posts: 129
    For someone who wants to ensure the noise us audible when you take the vehicle into the dealer, you'll have to pick a hot, sunny day and drive there with the air off. When you arrive, turn your air on and open the covering to the moonroof. Within seconds or minutes, the tinny, popping sound will be audible. Those who say they can't hear it need to turn the radio off. :)

    I can't imagine any RX not having this noise as it seems to be a function of the seal and expansion and contraction due to temp changes. My Rav4 had it, the Highlander has it. It's like the strut mount pop noise (all of my 4 Toy/Lexus have had it) that so many Toy's have. Nature of the beast. I'll live with it (until someone says they've been able to successfully correct it without creating a leak or something!) and still enjoy the heck out of the moonroof.
  • ravlravl Member Posts: 129
    In the ad on this page--It would look really fine on my black Silversport...

    Does anyone know if the manufacturers are answering the call of a performance styled tread on an SUV sized tire? Is the Pirelli Scorpion the closest to this?
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    RXs have come down of late... they are Allllll starting to come off lease en masse . Also, they are now buyable quite cheaply in relation to invoice, and that also will hurt their resale a bit. I mean, if a new one is at MSRP of like $40K, then you can justify $36-37K for a low-mile, used 2001. But if a new one is $36K, the 01 Used has to be at $33K.. And the used 00 with low miles at $30K etc..etc...

    Also, the RX in Question had 54K miles. Now, I know it COULD be 4 years old, and that's under 15k/year and all..

    But there is absolutely no shortage of low-mile RXs. 99s with under 40K? I can go buy 20 on Tuesday.

    A 54K miler is worth $21,500 or so.. Maybe into the VERY low $22Ks for the right color at the auction, assuming Leather, Roof and CD of course. Cloth/No Roof cars are in the $17K-18K range. But I can buy nice ones with mid-50s on the clock all day long for $21K-21,500.

    Briegel, Especially against the deal on the new car, you got a great deal, you got top wholesale dollar for your trade. It appears ya done well! :)

    Bill
  • briegelbriegel Member Posts: 139
    Thanks for the insight on my deal! I assume I could have eventually sold the '99 myself for $2k-$4k more but didn't feel like hassling with it at this point. Would have had to keep making lease payments too.

    The price on the '02 did surprise me since Carsdirect.com was still showing prices at only about$700-$800 under MSRP in my zip code.
  • spakcharspakchar Member Posts: 37
    some stock options I've had for awhile recently went into the money in a big way. Even tho I'm emminently pleased with my RX, and prefer its' company to most humans. I found myself at a BMW dealer looking at the x5. Obvious by just looking at the BMW that it has no more cargo capacity that the RX. The idea that I can't put my favorite golf foursome and their equipment in my RX has always been a bummer. For this reason one of my golf buddies who owns a fully loaded suburban like to call my RX a toy.
    I took it for test ride and they offered to appraise my vehicle. The v8 powered beamer is fast and powerful, much more so than the RX. Only problem is I consider the RX to be plenty fast enuff, I spend alot of my driving time exceeding speed limits by about 20mph. I've been lucky to get only one ticket, which I was able to beat on a technicality and the judge was an old classmate. The x5 stereo is not better than my RX, (stock stereo in my 01). I prefer the rx leather and seating. They offered me what I consider fair value on the RX, but I couldn't justify buying. The difference in the out the door prices between the two (new) vehicles is about 16-17K, it just seemed way out of line to me.
    I'm not in the market until the GX470 comes out.
  • pholliephollie Member Posts: 45
    I've got a 99 rx with roughly 60k on it...to make a long story short. I've had transmission problems. The first time, the car wouldn't go into gear for about 5 minutes. I took it to the shop and they couldn't find anything. A couple of months later...the thing broke down. I'm in for a new tranny and torque converter. Fortunately, its covered. My question is, has anyone else had these problems? Are they indicative of bigger problems or will the new tranny give me essentially a "new powertrain" that should go a couple hundred thousand miles.
    Your experiences??
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    The only positive for the X5 is the AWD method, it really works, unlike the RX with it's forever "flaccid" VC. But on balance the RX comes out on top.
  • ravlravl Member Posts: 129
    There's one other thing the X5 has over the RX and that's its overall look. IMO, it is *the* car on the road right now. It has been since the first time I saw it.

    But, as spakchar pointed out, the dollar difference just isn't worth it. You have to have serious bucks to own one.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Lexus salesman told me that the re-styled RX will be out in April 03 and will have less of a minivan apppearance, maybe more of a muscular look like the X5?
  • lon7lon7 Member Posts: 7
    I have an Avalon XLS and have experienced rattles in the dash and road/wind noise driving on the freeway. I was thinking about getting an '03 RX300 but in reading some of the comments here I'm not to sure that an RX300 will be an improvement. Any comments are welcome.
  • trmgatrmga Member Posts: 50
    Not buying your "nature of the beast" explanaton RAVL. Have a GS 300 with sunroof in addition to RX300 and it has never had that clicking sound in any weather/temperature combination. Have had many other cars with sunroofs and never had the problem. Have passed Mikey00's Toyota TSB number to my Lexus service guy and am awaiting response from him. He too is stumped. Don't think any of us should accept the "that's the way it is" explanation from dealer. Keep on them til Lexus does something about it. Of course, that may never happen.
  • sam3sam3 Member Posts: 2
    We want to add the navigational system to our RX300. The dealer said no, you must buy a new one! Has anyone added a NAV system and if so, what type, cost, etc.
    Thanks!
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    You can decrease the incidence of "snapping" by thoroughly tightening the roof rack crossbars. It is definitely the roof metalwork contracting/expanding.
  • pschiffepschiffe Member Posts: 373
    Don't think this can be added after the fact. A low-cost and some say superior alternative is a laptop or Palm PC with DeLorme "Earthmate" GPS receiver. Check the link.

    DeLorme

    Pete
  • pschiffepschiffe Member Posts: 373
    Don't know why the hyperlink doesn't open but the URL is:

    http://www.delorme.com/gps.htm


    Pete

  • raddboy41raddboy41 Member Posts: 249
    The hyperlink doesn't work because it's defined as htpp instead of http.
  • mooretorquemooretorque Member Posts: 241
    I, too, have a 99. 45k miles on AWD with the optional LSD. Have had no trans issues, nor have I heard of anything on this board or other Lexus forums. Fortunate for me, since the car is driven by SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED. Leaving me free to indulge in my L-Tuned GS430.
  • jiaminjiamin Member Posts: 556
    When I back my 00 RX300 out the garage onto the street, shift the gear from "R" to "D" and start to drive away, I usually hear some sound after one second or two. My best guess is it's from the door locking mechanism. It sounds like doors are automatically locked but the sound level is much lower than the actual sound if I manually press the door lock button. I know RX300 does not have that feature. Anyone knows what that is?
    Thanks.
  • mikey00mikey00 Member Posts: 462
    I called my lexus service manager today to check on any fix updates. There is still no Lexus TSB put he did look up the Highlander TSB and said it is just felt tape on the metal clips which was done to mine at fix attempt 4. Anyway, I made an appointment for Monday and they will try again for the sixth time.
    As far as "nature of the beast", I had many cars with sunroofs without this problem, one of them being a 2000RX. The problem seems to mainly be with 01 RX's and HL's.
  • ajb723ajb723 Member Posts: 61
    I'm considering the purchase of an RX300 for my wife. It will replace a Jeep Cherokee (end of lease).I live in NJ where the winters have been mild.She will not be doing off road driving. Would it be a mistake to get the 2WD version and save about $2000?
  • jimxojimxo Member Posts: 423
    I have the FWD/2WD and have been pleased with the traction in the snow and rain. Here in Chicago the winters seem more mild than ever before. On the few days a month we have snow or rain the FWD pulls me straight through. The snow button forces the car to start off in 2nd gear using less torque, couple that with traction control and VSC and it's more than enough.

    Most cars are FWD and do pretty good in the snow. The Lexus dealer told me last week after driving my RX that my car was one of the most smooth RX300's he has driven. I told him that probably due to the lack of AWD. My gas mileage has been 21.5 mpg and I drive a little on the aggressive side.

    In a nut shell FWD will serve you fine. Other climates may need the AWD but it's your call.
  • ravlravl Member Posts: 129
    The noise you hear when you put the car in drive is the ABS engaging. Sometimes it happens in reverse, but normally, mine is like yours, back out of the garage, put in drive, hear ABS engage. Kinda freaked me a little in the beginning, too. They should tell buyers up front about it.

    Speaking of RX300 brakes....these things are awesome! Every time I've had a 'close one', they get me out of harms way fast and smooth.
  • gsenthilgsenthil Member Posts: 154
    I had similar close encounter sometime back...was on a major road in AZ (Rural/Scottsdale Road- speed limit ~45) and this kid playing on the sidewalk jumped right in front of me as I was going on the right most lane. He definitely saw me coming and it was 3 in the afternoon. His mommy probably never told him he could get himself killed if he jumped in front of a vehicle

    Anyways- pumped the brakes and also changed lanes and saved my [non-permissible content removed]! I guess brake assist works!

    Senthil
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Some people never learn....
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Only two times in the last twelve years have I needed the "full" or true 4WD aspects of my Jeep Cherokee Limiteds. I currently have an 01 AWD RX which I am aware has no where near the capabilities of the Jeep, poor AWD implementation, CANNOT use snow/tirechains.

    Maybe the coming winter will also be mild and next spring the redesigned RX will have the Sequoia's AWD and enough wheelwell clearance in the rear to use chains.
  • pschiffepschiffe Member Posts: 373
    My 99 RX has FWD (front wheel drive not to be confused with four wheel drive) with TRAC and it is perfectly satisfactory in snow. And, we live in the Buffalo Niagara region which is no stranger to that white stuff! This is the first non-4x4 vehicle I've owned in decades and it is superb in every respect.

    Pete
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    pschiffe:

    My original response to your post was "and pigs can fly", which was justifiably deleted for "sniping".

    IMMHO most aspects of the RX300 are, as you said, superb.

    But.

    1. The climate control is totally out of control, don't try to demist the windshield with it, it will just make matters worse, if not immediately, then later. It is very discomforting to have it automatically switch to cooling mode at night (or anytime of day) in the dead of winter when the very last thing your body needs is a draft of cool dry airflow to the face and chest.

    2. The GPS nav is so unreliable as to be useless, you can't know when to trust it or not.

    3. The AWD functionality. I'm truly glad you got through the winter(s) in Buffalo with only your FWD RX. But I would ask you, are you really willing to advise others that the FWD RX is satisfactory for wintertime use based on only your personal experience?

    My own experience is that even the AWD model is severely lacking in wintertime on-road utility. There is basically no difference in the FWD version and the AWD version. In normal use only about 10% of the engine torque is delivered to the rear wheels and in the most severe conditions only a maximum of about 25 to 30%

    You said you have owned "true" 4WD vehicles previously. Did you ever have occassion in the wintertime "on-road" (or having left it due to slippery conditions and needing it to regain the pavement) to need part-time 4WD in any of those vehicles?

    Did you ever have to install tirechains for any reason? You can only use chains on the front of the RX and Lexus will tell you that can be extremely hazardous, extraordinary roadbed traction in the front vs the rear.

    I like my AWD RX300, I truly do, but if Lexus puts the Sequoia AWD system in the next version I will be one of the first standing in line to trade up.

    The current RX300 is an SUV in name only, I would as soon recommend a FWD Camry or Avalon for wintertime use as any version of the RX. Personally I would select a RWD vehicle wherein if I need snowchains I could start with the rear ones.
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    Have 25k miles on our 2001 RX.

    1. Climate control system works great. When you push buttons, you get plenty of cold air, hot air, demist air, windshield clears quickly, rear hatch window clears quickly, front and rear wipers wipe stuff off the glass when we tell them to. You can make the wipers go slow or fast - really cool!

    No unusual drafts except when driving in the nude.

    2. Nav works grrrreeeaaaat! Don't ever wanna leave home without it, according to Better Half. Me, I dun need no stinkin' directions; I can get lost on my own.

    Nav Whiners need to read the manual - at least Page 1:

    "Please be aware that all current vehicle navigation systems have certain limitations that may affect their ability to perform properly. The accuracy of the vehicle's position depends on the satellite condition, road configuration, vehicle condition or other circumstances. Please also be aware that changing tire sizes to non-standard may adversely affect the navigation capabilities of your vehicle."

    3. Front wheel drive system works great on roadways with no water, some water, lots of water, some dirt, lots of dirt, some oil, lots of oil. Regarding ice, snow up to your waist, pea gravel, and the movement of icebergs in Alaska - if you sometimes need a Jeep - buy a Jeep. Guess what? - the RX ain't no Jeep. Get over it.

    OK, I added that part about non-standard tire sizes.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Did I just say that?

    heheh..

    Seriously, Willard, ya need to remember that the priority on the RX is ride comfort and noise isolation. Not off-road ability. The LX is actually quite good off road. But if you want to stay in the mid $30Ks and have the best 4WD out there, you buy a Discovery Series II. Period. You really gotta go off-road and want a Luxrious SUV? Buy a Rover. Very simple. I cant think of many vehicles made that can hold a Candle to them.

    Drawbacks? Rougher ride, worse mileage, etc... Although, a Disco 2 with ACE is far better on-road than most cars. The 2000 SE that we have with ACE has been flawless as well from a reliability standpoint.

    I have driven RXs in FL and NJ, Winter and Summer, and have found the climate control systems in them to be quite capable. None of our company Vehicles have NAV so I cannot comment on living with it.

    Bill
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    I may be opening a can of worms, but isn't the Jeep Quadra-drive system very similar to the RX300 AWD setup?

    I think they both use hydraulic clutches to engage the non-driven wheels, which is very effective for low traction surfaces.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    The AWD RX300 uses three open diff'l, front, center & rear. If we ignore the VC (viscous coupling) and the disparate F/R final drive ratios for the moment then with all four wheels on high traction surfaces the engine torque will be delivered equally, 25% to each wheel.

    The problem comes when a wheel or wheels lose traction, then the wheel(s) with the least traction will determine the maximum amount of torque that can be delivered overall, with all four wheels still getting an equal level of torque, it doesn't take much torque to spin a wheel that has no traction.

    In the RX this is where the VC should come into play. The VC is mounted across the center diff'l, one shaft connected to the front axle and the other shaft connected to the rear axle.

    The theory is this, if the two shafts of the VC turn at disparate rates (a wheel has lost traction) the viscous fluid is heated by the turbulence created by the two sets of clutch plates turning at differing rates and the viscosity increases which in turn increases the coupling coefficient between the front and rear axles, "forcing" the wheels with traction to turn at the same rate as the wheel without traction.

    The engineering problem is this: when the vehicle is turning, say fairly tightly, the rear wheels do not "track" the front wheels exactly, so there is ALWAYS a disparate rate of rotation between the front and rear axles in a turn. In this case, if the VC were to react quickly you could have driveline windup, tire scrubbing on the pavement, or broken knuckles and/or fingers. So almost all VCs are designed to be slow at reacting, hundreds of milliseconds is typical.

    Lexus has made the VC in the RX, and likely the HL, so "flaccid" (slow to react) that when it finally does come on-line it only couples 25 to 30% of the torque to the rear.

    And no, the Jeep Quadra-drive is an entirely different animal.
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