Lexus RX 300

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  • hlronhlron Member Posts: 113
    ...have laws against fog lights only?" as asked by wwest. Answer: California, for one. It is a violation of California Vehicle Code section 24403. That section of the CA Vehicle Code reads, in part "Any motor vehicle may be equipped with not to exceed two foglamps which may be used with, but shall not be used in substitution of, headlamps."
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    "may be used with, but shall not be used in substitution of, headlamps."

    "may be used with", not MUST be used with.

    "Not in substition for, headlamps." The way I read this is to say if it is an appropriate circumstance for headlamps then they should be used.

    There is an appropriate time for the use of fog lamps only, and the way I read this "law", it allows for such use.
  • tomgbtomgb Member Posts: 6
    I believe the key words in the text are "SHALL not be used in substitution of." The word "Shall" is like an order. The word "May" allows some latitude. I believe the state is telling you it's OK to use fogs in conjunction with the regular headlamps but not fogs by themselves.

    It is illegal in California to drive with parking lamps alone on although a lot of people do it around dusk or in early morning light. In other states this is legal but not CA. I suspect the same thinking colors the "no fogs only" rule
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    The new Porsche 996 uses a small 5W lamp for DRL and has teh parking lights on with DRL. I notice that many of the European vehicles are coming to the US out-fitted in this manner.

    A (not so) clear violation of CA's no parking lights only.

    When I use my fog lamps alone they are not in substitution of headlamps. During the times that fog lamps should be used alone it would be totally inappropriate for headlamps to be used.
  • sssstevessssteve Member Posts: 49
    The "cranky cop" that gives you a ticket for "fogs on only" after a clear explanation like that, probably won't even show up in court anyhow. Case dismissed.
  • mooretorquemooretorque Member Posts: 241
    Willard, I don't know about/remember the legality here in the Land of Opportunity, but I have been pulled over by the State Police for operating my vehicle with fogs on in inappropriate conditions, due to the low, wide dispersion beam glaring into oncoming traffic w/o the attenuating effect of fog. This was on an interstate, btw, and he crossed the median to come after me. I hadn't realized till then that the beam pattern dispersed as far laterally to the left as it did to the right (remembering my old Cibie Z-beams). So I don't do that no more.

    Considering the number of fools that drive around with driving/fog lights on (Pontiac drivers seem especially prone around here), legal discouragement is apparently not done/enforced any longer in this state. But one could wish........
  • bungobungo Member Posts: 6
    Most familiar with the operation and see the usefulness, but would like to program own station sequence, and only way to do that seems to be to Disable RDS - Cant locate this in manual, it talks about it in the NAV manual p102-104, but doesnt say HOW to turn off - any suggestions?
  • ke2feke2fe Member Posts: 37
    Mikey asked:

    How much did I pay for the timing belt replacement?

    After checking with independent mechanics, I decided to use the dealer--Smithtown, NY Lexus.

    Belt and labor--490.00

    Water pump and labor--135.00

    The dealer gives a 1 year unlimited milage on the work. I liked it because if the belt should let go in the next year, any Lexus dealer will back it up. It is a good idea to replace the pump at the time the belt is replaced. A water pump shaft could fail and the result is the same as a broken timing belt-- blown engine.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    The only water pump failures I have seen was the result of the pressure seal failing and allowing water to get to the single shaft bearing which will of course now fail given enough time.

    But typically someone notices the water dripping down from the front of the engine, or a low coolant level, long before any serious damage can occur.

    Just another dealer promoted waste of money IMMHO.
  • gsenthilgsenthil Member Posts: 154
    I bought a 3M Filtrete (http://www.3m.com/us/home_leisure/f...411_ultra.jhtml) for $15 (10"X25"). I cut it approx to the same size as my RX filter. The OEM filter has a plastic edge that fits into the clips and ensures a snug fit. How do I do the same with my 3M filters?
  • gsenthilgsenthil Member Posts: 154
    Did you inquire with any Toyota dealers? Wondering how much would it have cost in that case? Whats the milage 60 or 90k?

    WW: So are you saying we should skip the water pump at all or postpone it to a later date? Would it cost more to have it done by itself?
  • bentwrenchbentwrench Member Posts: 27
    Due to the concern of timing belt failure "blowing" an engine, can someone verify that the engine in the RX300 is an interference engine?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    I don't see the sense in replacing a water pump until it actually fails.
  • jiaminjiamin Member Posts: 556
    Well I think it's case dependent. Sometimes when timing belt is due for a replacement, the water pump is getting close to the end of its life, maybe its bearing wears out quite a bit and sounds rough. Replace it since engine is already open. Replace it later will cost more labor.
  • gsenthilgsenthil Member Posts: 154
    I remember reading over at CL that the RX is NOT an interference engine unlike some previous Toyota engines and so wont exactly sieze up the engine causing extensive repairs if the timing belt breaks.

    Sorry am too lazy to fish out the exact post at CL
  • ke2feke2fe Member Posts: 37
    My 97 Subaru Outback did suffer a broken water pump shaft after the timing belt was changed. When it came to the Lexus, I was not going to make the same mistake. Once the water pump is easily accessed when the timing belt is replaced, there is a saving in the labor charge.

    I really do not understand the term "interference engine". I can only imagine what is happening internally when the valves are moving out of control or timing. The pistons might collide with the valves destroying lots of internal engine parts.

    ke2fe
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    is one wherein if the worn timing belt "skips" or breaks there is a possibility of piston/valve contact and damaging result.

    In a non-interference engine it is impossible for this to happen regardless of how far out of time.

    Broken water pump shaft is not a common failure, certainly not a "wear" failure, and was therefore likely the result of a manufacturing defect. Just as likely to happen with the new one you put in.

    Speaking of which my guess would be that most dealers install rebuilt (new shaft bearing and seal) water pumps, not new ones.
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    ...salvaged old Toyota parts they have sitting in a heap of old vehicles. You know, the ones piled ten deep, sitting in the weed-infested lot behind each dealership.

    Go ahead and check - every day you can see the mechanics, sifting through those old parts till they find one that kinda fits...few good whacks with a mallet or iron bar and, presto - good as new!

    Really keeps their service costs down low, them bein' a "single marque" dealership and all.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    a bit, jeff.

    I wasn't implying anything wrong with using rebuilt water pumps, there is basically, no difference between a rebuilt one and a new one.
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    Legally, if you personally get charged $$$ for a new part on your invoice and it doesn't indicate a rebuilt part was supplied - it has to be a new part.

    On the other hand, under warranty service, dealers probably can use rebuilt parts under the fine print of the warranty plan.

    Always a pleasure to inform the masses.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    "replaced water pump $120.00"
  • ke2feke2fe Member Posts: 37
    I would like to replace the sparkplugs myself in the rx300.

    Has anyone done this job themselves out there?

    What plug did you use? make and model#

    How did you access the 3 plugs closest to the firewall? There seems to be a bit of "plumbing" blocking access to the plugs.

    ke2fe
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Why?

    And no I haven't, and don't plan to, EVER!
  • ke2feke2fe Member Posts: 37
    Hi don't planning,

    I have 96k on the car. Do you think the plugs will last forever? Gee, I hope so! It looks like a bear of a job to do it myself and save a few hundred.

    Ke2fe
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Pull an easy one and have a look.
  • mikey00mikey00 Member Posts: 462
    The manual says to change plugs at 120K. It also states "Required under the terms of the emission control warranty". But the emission control warranty is only good for 8 years or 80K. Can't figure this one out.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    with long-life plugs like these is that they can sometimes be difficult to remove. Some people recommend removing them at ~60,000 miles (or more often) just to make sure the threads don't seize.

    Steve, Host
  • grogman1grogman1 Member Posts: 76
    Has anyone experienced problems with the transfer case in their RX300 needing to be replaced? We have a '00 RX300 with 22K miles on it and we're about to have the transfer case replaced for the second time. The first time was in Feb '01 and the unit was leaking the gear oil out, which was blowing on to the hot exhaust and circulating into the cabin of the car. I had to take it in three different times to prove that a problem existed. Yesterday I noticed fluid on the garage floor, took it in this morning and they confirmed it's leaking from the transfer case again. The service manager wants to replace it later this week. Appreciate your thoughts regarding the problem and also should I consider dumping this vehicle? I bought it new for the wife and we're starting to get concerned about keeping this vehicle long term. Thanks.
  • lbaglelbagle Member Posts: 1
    I have a Rx300 with 58000 miles on it, using about 4 qts of oil between 3000M oil changes, is there any known history on the Rx300 using Oil, if so please E-Mail at Lalocker@comcast.net.

    Larry
  • mrrogersmrrogers Member Posts: 391
    Larry,
         There were a few RX300's that were supposed to have had an oil gel (sludge) problem. If the oil was changed at least once a year, Lexus was repairing the engines. I suggest you ask your dealer to remove the front valve cover for an oil gel inspection. Newer engines have a larger part in the PCV system which is supposed to help. Good luck!
  • sssstevessssteve Member Posts: 49
    There most definitely WAS and IS an oil gelling problem with the RX-300 engines in certain MYs. The problem appears to occur on cars where oil changes were far too infrequent. But, Toyota has made good with this problem by extending the warranty on cars in the MYs that were most suseptible to this potential problem.

    Search on this subject here at Edmunds and you will see a ton of info on the subject. It was discussed at great length not too long ago.

    Larry, if you are changing your oil every 3k (or so) you shouldn't have any problems with gelling. Just don't forget! Be sure to stay on top of oil changes. Also be sure to keep all records of oil changes if you are not having it done at a Lexus dealership - in case the problem comes up and you want Toyota to repair under warranty.

    I and pretty much everyone on this message board are sure to change the oil religuosly. But heck, I've done that for years on all kinds of cars I've owned. That along with Toyota's commitment to stand by their owners gives me confidence that it will not happen - and if it does it'll be taken care of.

    Just keep changing the oil and have fun with your Lexus!
  • jasonhershjasonhersh Member Posts: 8
    Just wanted to share that I recently leased a RX300, white on tan, premium package, etc. I pay $403 WITH tax, 36 months, nothing down except for first payment and such. There are great deals out there with the new model coming out
  • javadocjavadoc Member Posts: 1,167
    Hi, I'm currenlty shopping for an '00 or '01 RX300 (awd) to replace the wife's vehicle (a 2000 MPV). I've been looking at the CPO program that Lexus has and it's enticing... only that the local dealership does not sell CPO lexus models. So, this brings up questions, which I'm sure you fine folks can help me with:

    What does the CPO warranty really cover? Is it the same as the original factory or are there some pitfalls and items not covered that I should be concerned with? I called Lexus and all they could tell me is that any Lexus dealer would honor the CPO warranty.

    Next, you folks sure love your RXs (I've been reading...). I'm probably going to fly down to Portland, OR and pick one up, then drive it home, since prices here are, well, insane for most any car. Anyone care to give opinions on decent CPO prices? I'm seeing $30k-$31.5k for the models I'm searching for here, on used car lots, and about the same in Portland for a CPO vehicle. I figure the cost of a plane ticket and $400 in fuel (and a mini-vacation through Western Canada) is worth getting a CPO vehicle, but I don't know if the prices I'm seeing are decent or not.

    I've driven two RX300s, both 2000 awd models with the Naka sound system. I was thoroughly unimpressed with the bass level in either of these... so I'm wondering if people have upgraded their speakers, or added a stealthy sub?

    I've read about the HID conversions. That'll be the first thing on my To-Do list (did it to my 850 turbo and loved it).

    Thanks guys, and I continue to search for the perfect RX300!

    /aside
    Hey Steve_host! Don't rat me out to my MPV buddies!!! ;)
    /end aside
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Javadoc:

    According to kbb my 01 AWD/nav/HID with 27k is worth just shy of $30k for a private party sale. I would think CPO would be close to that range.

    But the further north you drive an RX the more trouble you will encounter with spontaneous windshield fogging and horribly poor defog design (both issues bordering on the hazardous) and the fact that the RX is NOT a vehicle to be used in adverse wintertime roadbed conditions.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Pick one up in Boise - I bet it'll be cheaper and the new Krispy Kreme is scheduled to open in a month or so. It's exactly 2985 miles from my house to Northern Lights & Wesleyan Road btw. I just clocked it you know :-)

    (let me guess - no sales tax in Oregon, eh?)

    Steve, Host
  • gsenthilgsenthil Member Posts: 154
    How much is the diff between 00/01 CPO and 03 new? With the 330 out the price difference shouldnt be much albeit at the cost of a limited selection.
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    ...he's buying his fifth Lexus, a new RX 330 AWD, and he doesn't want anybody else to buy one so he keeps knocking them on Town Hall. Weird, eh?

    I guess it's understandable since I have it on reliable authority that he's been heard singing the following ditty...

    "I just gotta do it my way...
    Don't need no other RX's on MY highway...
    Tell'em ya can't see thru the fogged 'shield...
    And that the Lousy Nav will get you killed...
    Gotta rewire every switch & swap every filter...
    Use Home Depot parts when it goes out of kilter...
    I just gotta do it my way."

    CPO warranty coverage is very close to the original factory bumpter-to-bumper one minus some dealer adjustments and if there are any scratches or dings in the glass it generally doesn't cover them. I've had a CPO Lexus and it's a great way to buy if the numbers are right.

    Buy and enjoy your RX! 300,000+ previous buyers have so you'll be no different.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    My assumption is that most folks read these posts to gain knowledge about products they may or may not purchase.

    The good and the bad.

    You might want to take notice that very few of those 300,000 purchasers have complained about the lack of capability of the RX300's VC being up to the task at hand. Yet Lexus is going to the expense and trouble of upgrading the new RX330 to the ML and Sequoia type AWD torque proportioning system.

    Someone at Lexus displeased with the RX300's VC performance maybe?
  • javadocjavadoc Member Posts: 1,167
    WW, what's this about a fogging windscreen? ;) No, really... watchatalkin 'bout?

    <edit> What's this about the VC? I'm very used to driving in adverse conditions, so not much phases me on the road. What should I be aware of here? Thanks for the input, I am definitely here to learn the good and the bad.
    </edit>

    Steve_Host, you didn't even let me buy you a mocha when you were up here. And yes, no sales tax in OR is a great incentive. Sales Tax= the Devil, don't you know? I'd go to BOI, but that's an extra day of driving (well, 1/2 day at my pace), and then there's that Devil=Sales Tax issue to overcome.

    I was at Lexus O' Alaska yesterday, and the sales mgr was trying to put me in a Highlander Limited for $40k (hmmm, not). I don't get it... I say, "I'm looking for a CPO RX300...," and somehow the translation was "I can't afford a new one, so sell me a Toyota that I didn't ask for..." If he only knew... Anyway, I'm on his 'list' for when people start trading in their RX300s, which he said was 'a long list.' Ah, I'd rather have a CPO deal anyway. :)

    Thanks for your responses. I'm sure I'll have more questions, as I'm still looking.
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    ...but 2003-2004 is a new ballgame and they can't be left technologically behind as the #1 selling luxo mid-size SUV.

    Just kidding. It was because of your calls and letters, Willard.

    Ego the size of Alaska.
  • kmhkmh Member Posts: 143
    re: Lexus CPO

    I own a '99 CPO RX300 and have been happy with the warranty.

    The warranty covers bumper to bumper for 3 years or 100,000 miles. So it behooves you to find one with as few miles as possible.

    I've had to use the warranty for a few repairs and all have been covered without any money changing hands plus I get the use of a loaner (usually another RX).

    The only thing the CPO won't cover are adjustments. For instance minor issues likes rattles and such may not be covered unless you can convince the advisor that the issues is a "failure".

    Overall, though, I've been pleased with the level of coverage and the service of my RX.

    Best.
  • javadocjavadoc Member Posts: 1,167
    Thank you for the info on the warranty. I'm not concerned about mileage since we only see about 8k per year anyway on our cars. However, the fewer miles the better.

    /j
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    javadoc...

    Follow the link at post #7278

    And a single word search of "flaccid" in this thread should find you all you need to know about the RX300 AWD system.
  • javadocjavadoc Member Posts: 1,167
    Thank you!

    /j
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    Then read the next post at #7279.

    Then you can stop worrying about this item because, presumably, you have the IQ to figure-out how to set the defrost controls if and when the windshield fogs up.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    What jeff really means is that rather than use the instructions in the Toyota or Lexus owners manual for defogging/demisting the interior surface of the windshield your IQ must be high enough to recognize that those instructions only work for a PROPERLY designed automatic climate control system.

    Therefore you best be smart enough (this is were IQ comes in...) to figure out an alternative method that works reliably and consistently.

    Or in the alternative you might just be as old as me and having learned from life's experiences how to best and most quickly defog/demist a windshield interior surface and keep it that way.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Jeff...

    Do you understand that my discussions about fogging windshield only pertains to the Toyota/Lexus AUTOMATIC climate control systems?

    Toyota/Lexus AUTOMATIC climate control systems wherein, according to the owners manual, there is only ONE button to be pushed for automatically (were it designed correctly) defogging/demisting the interior surface of the windshield?

    I haven't checked recently but up until about ten years ago almost all MANUAL climate systems had some form of the following directions.

    1. Turn up the heat.
    2. Turn up the blower.
    3. Route the system airflow from the windshield defog/demist outlets.
    4. If an A/C is available then turn it on.

    Child's play, really, not so much a matter of IQ at all.

    Real shame the Toyota/Lexus design engineers couldn't locate a child.
  • javadocjavadoc Member Posts: 1,167
    ... on the HVAC system in my 850, you shouldn't use the 'auto' setting when you may fog up; you select the controls manually to defog... who doesn't know that. And the a/c is great for defogging (dehumidifying), imho... except that in my car, the a/c doesn't operate if the ambient temp is below 40f. Conversely, the seat heaters don't operate when the temp's above 50 or 60. ;)

    <edited...>
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    ...has a problem getting moisture off the inside of his windshield.

    Yup, the same one that sued Lexus over the same problem in his LS400 and lost - but apparently The Battle Is Not Yet Lost on the boards of Town Hall.

    Give it a rest and, rather, post more about changing tires when questions are asked about upgrading audio systems. I need more Monthy Python type humor today.

    In advance - thanks for your support.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    WINDSHIELD FOGGING !!!

    Yes, if climatic conditions allow, then the A/C can be used for dehumidification.

    But.

    With the incoming outside air (I assume we ALL know about NOT using refresh airflow in defog/demist mode) already cool, say below 55F, the humidity of that airflow must be unusually high (dewpoint spread must be substantially less than 20F) for an A/C evaporator operating at 34F to perform efficiently as a dehumidifier. And as the incoming airflow temperature declines below 55F the A/C becomes less and less efficient for dehumidification purposes, until at 34F it is non-existent.

    My 92 LS would automatically shut the A/C off if the OAT declined below 34F.

    Go ahead, use your Lexus A/C to defog/demist the windshield on a rather cool winter's day. But now you'll need to use it again, and again, and again, every few minutes after you shut it off.

    Oh, jeff, I'm really glad to hear that you have gone to the trouble of checking with those other 299,999 RX300 owners, that does give your statement a great deal more credibility.
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