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  • racer63racer63 Member Posts: 83
    Sorry, but all it would have taken was that one phone call to that big national bank to find out their car loan rates, before going to the dealer. Or 10 seconds checking e-loan or Capital One on-line to see what competitive rates are currently.

    It was mentioned that the purchase appointment was made with even a prior agreed to price? so there was some advance work done ont he purchase? Sorry, but a buyer of anything needs to know what the market cost is on all parts of the transaction; on a car this is mainly the purchase price and financing rates, but depending on the deal should also include accessories, warrarties, and if leasing, all the potential gotchas that can get snuck into that arithmetic. This methodology holds true whether buying a coffeemaker for $7.99 at Wal-Mart, to a suit at the department store ($189, but the alterations were another $75 - my own surprise personal experience, but still an OK deal for the quality of what I got), to the home buying process, which can make purchasing a car like pre-school compared to the graduate program at MIT.

    Count me among the doubters to the story, or that we have been provided all the facts........
  • bipwopbipwop Member Posts: 21
    Sigh. A quick review of the posts show that the responders are about evenly split for/neutral/against.
    I don't know what other "facts" you might want to know.
    I am as honest as they come, which I found out is more than you can say about some dealers.
    Some of you thought I should have know better. I didn't. I trusted people. I didn't know you weren't supposed to. Having never done anything like this in my life (financing a large purchase), I expected the loan officer would know a lot more about financing than I would, and that he would help us.
    How am I supposed to know what I don't know?
    Several of you indicate that I was foolish not to investigate financing before I went to the dealer. It was not like I had two choices in front of me and I purposely chose the stupid one. I just didn't know. I was with my mom. I did most of the car part, and she handled most of the financing part. We did fine with the car, but the dealer ran right over an old lady with the financing. I think that is pathetic.
    I have written to the manager, and I will let you know if there is any response, for those of you who did show some concern (and I thank you).
  • sandman46sandman46 Member Posts: 1,798
    The Sandman :)
  • bipwopbipwop Member Posts: 21
    Thanks, sandman! :-D
    Sent email to dealership manager Thurs, but I believe it was intercepted by our salesman (who I think has been wonderful from the beginning), because all email goes through him since he is Internet Manager.
    I think the salesman was trying to keep the peace, and I understand that.
    I do not know if the email ever got to the manager. I sent snail mail yesterday to him.
    Finance dealer called today.
    He apologized.
    Wonder if it was because he had to, or if it really was because he wanted to make us happy, as he said. Why didn't he want to make us happy in the beginning?
    He has cancelled our loan. We do not have to pay $100 processing fee. They will absorb any penalties that would be incurred.
    He will do anything he can to match current bank rates. He wanted to know what offers we had. Since our bank is offering less than 6.9%, he asked us if 6.5% would be acceptable (is that a little lower than 8.74%?).
    He indicated that he could not match the less than 4.9% our credit union is offering, but we are free to finance with them with a new loan with no penalty (finance, not refinance, since the original loan contract no longer exists).
    I told him we did not want to make a decision today. We are going to the dealership next week to add cruise control to our Corolla, by which point the manager will have received our snail mail.
    Will continue to keep you posted. :)
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .... I hate to tell ya this .. but they're not going to cancel anything til' there's a new contract or they see a certified check or a draft from another lender ....



    Terry.

    PS: almost the end of the 3rd quarter - Skins 17 .. Tampa 10 ..
  • bipwopbipwop Member Posts: 21
    Hey, Terry,
    Who you were rooting for? :shades:

    Well, if he hasn't cancelled the contract, that will be ANOTHER lie he has told us.

    Received this from the manager today
    (keep in mind he has not received my snail-mail yet)
    any emphasis his

    As the General Manager of Cramer Toyota of xxxx, I would just like to take a moment to "Thank You" for visiting our store.
    Our main concern at Cramer Toyota is your satisfaction. We want you to feel good about your buying experience.
    If for any reason you were unable to reach an agreement with one of our salespeople, please contact me personally. I have the authority to make ANY deal and will do everything possible to resolve your concerns. We want to make your car buying decision an easy one. Satisfied customers are our best advertising.
    Sincerely,
    (signed)
    xxx xxx
    General Manager

    I think this is going to be an interesting week. ;)

    Hope your team won!!!
  • ricardocalricardocal Member Posts: 9
    Bipwop,

    Please go with the credit union! It's offering you the lowest rate.

    Good luck.
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi charlotte7. Ford Credit uses actual interest rates to calculate the interest portion of lease payments, instead of the money factors that most other banks use. This actually makes it easier to tell how good a rate you are getting. If you want to convert the 1.5% lease rate that you were quoted to lease this truck into an approximate money factor equivalent, divide it by 2400. So a lease rate of 1.5% is equal to a money factor of around .00063.

    As far as who qualifies for this rate goes, some banks use a tiered system that provides different lease money factors to consumers depending upon what their credit score is. I believe that Ford Credit uses a pass / fail system though. Either you qualify for the special lease rate that it is offering on a particular vehicle, or you don't. And it is usually fairly easy to qualify for a lease through Ford Credit.

    As far as the cash incentives that are available on leases of this truck go, the $1,500 customer cash that Ford is currently providing on the 2006 Escape is not compatible with leases through Ford Credit. As you mentioned, there is a $1,000 bonus for leasing this model through Ford Credit right now though. Also, Ford is running a special program on the '06 Escape that waives the first payment on any lease or finance contact through Ford Credit right now.

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  • bipwopbipwop Member Posts: 21
    Now here's a surprise.
    I called my credit union, but haven't submitted a loan application yet.
    They wanted to know if I was financing (which meant the original loan was cancelled) or refinancing.
    Instead of calling the dealer, we called the bank that had the loan.
    They told us it was cancelled.
    Hmmmm..... ;)
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ..... I don't know who's telling more stories here - you, or the dealer ...

    So what your saying is: they are "letting" you just drive (pick a number) a $17 or a $20,000 vehicle around without a cashable contract and you don't even have an application in.? .. so if you smash it, you're off the hook and they pay ..? .. if you hit a pack of screaming Nuns, they get sued not you ..?

    Unless you had the dealers lender code, you couldn't pull any history on any loan because it's a "internal" loan .. plus dealers don't spend the time calling back 20 or 30 banks a day to say: "hey Bob, we went with ABC bank instead of yours or the customer secured their own financing", because the lenders wait 30 days after the call-back .. I'm not trying to smart here, but nobody is holding their breath waiting for your loan when they see 4,000 a week - they don't have the time ..l.o.l... ... so what you're saying makes no sense at all.

    ..... I dunno, I have a silly funny feelin' we as readers have been hooked into another "Fantasy Island" story ... darn good try though ;)



    Terry.
  • looking4priuslooking4prius Member Posts: 53
    I have on order a Toyota Prius, which I intend to drive until it falls apart. I have had 3 Hondas, and have done the same thing, the current one ('91 Accord) is at 180k miles and the engine is dying.
    Question: I would like to buy using a credit card. That may sound weird or funky, but I would be doing it for the miles I get on the card. After taking a look at available finances (with my wife, a CPA), we will be able to pay off credit card completely with one payment :shades: . The Toyota rep has no problems with it...it just sounds funky. We have relatives in China, and we need all the miles we can get. Any thoughts, misgivings, suggestions?
    (Car is to be delivered in one month.)
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    many dealers don't want to do it because of the fees related to the credit card and other possible chargeback issues...OTOH if your dealer is willing to do it for you...go for it and enjoy the miles!!
  • bipwopbipwop Member Posts: 21
    Uh, we didn't talk to the dealer.
    We got a letter in the mail yesterday from the bank the dealer arranged the loan with, with a telephone number we could call. (It was a welcome-type of letter, sent several days ago)
    So we called the BANK to ask them about the loan, and THEY told us it was cancelled.
    Umm...haven't seen a pack of screaming nuns ever in my lifetime. Think we're safe there. ;)
    Really, I can't help how all this sounds. I have just been telling it as it unfolds. I do not tell lies.
    I really believe Mr. Finance man did get a hold of the bank because he had a little personal "encouragement".
    Do you think he called this major bank and told them that if Ms. Bipwop or her mom call, please make up some story about cancelling their loan? And when we called we just happened to talk to someone who immediately knew about this little secret?
    Oh, who needs soap operas? I don't think I could have made this up if had tried!
    :shades:
  • bipwopbipwop Member Posts: 21
    Oh, ye of little faith!
    Just got a call from the credit union, and we were approved for a loan of
    4.74%
    which, if I have my calculations right, is almost half of the 8.74% absolute BEST wonderful deal I was given at the dealership.
    The only difference in the two loans was that in the 8.74% loan, my mom was the applicant and I was the co-applicant, and in the 4.74% loan, I was the applicant and my mom was the co-applicant.
    (Also, the bank here in town did say they could offer us a loan of less than 6.9%)
    So, to all you doubters, to those who told me I that didn't make any sense, that I wasn't telling the whole story or providing all the facts, that the original bank was considering other factors that I was unaware of, and that I was pulling a "Fantasy Island" story over on you all......I love you anyway! ;)
    And to the others, thanks for believing in me and giving me support!! :D

    Let me ask for another bit of needed advice:
    I need to sell my 91 Nissan Maxima (70K) miles.
    This is probably the wrong place to say it, but this car, in "fair" condition (some mechanical defects, but still in reasonable running condition) lists at KBB for $1,800.
    I have, in the last 8 months, had a 27-point Nissan inspection and done an oil change, put in new brakes and rotors, new fuel pump, new Nissan battery, new alternator, and new radiator hoses, all to the tune of over $1,000.
    The mechanical problems are that the axle boots need attention, and there may be a weak compressor (AC has worked fine for last 8 months, but has made a steady noise).
    The car also pulls to the right when you drive with your hands off the wheel.
    There are a few other problems, but they are minor.
    Here are my questions:
    1) what is the best way to sell this car? personal ad, eBay, Kbb/cars.com, edmunds/autotrader ????
    Why does my caxfax report show 6 records, and the NADA 17???
    I would probably list it $1500 obo. What do you think of this price, or accepting "obo"?
    (I would be willing to go to $1300)
  • ntyetntyet Member Posts: 6
    Hello, I am brand new to leasing. My option to lease is that I currently still own a 2001(lemon) Ford Focus that I am just fed up with. After being a previous Ford Bronco owner for 12 yrs, I have been very disappointed with dealing with Ford and this car. My friend suggested a 2005 or 2006 Nissan Maxima SL which he swears is a wonderful car. I am at the point where I want a reliable car to drive. To keep payments low I'm figuring leasing is the way to go. I do not want to commit to a longterm relationship with a car again. Any suggestions on keeping payments to $300.00/month and what's the going price? This is the beginning of my homework. Thanks for the help.
  • ntyetntyet Member Posts: 6
    Hello, I am in the market of leasing a new car. I currently own a 2001 (lemon) Ford Focus. Since the day I purchased this vehicle I have had nothing but problems. Ford and the dealership I purchased it from, have been very irresponsible to handling the numerous problems I have had with this vehicle. Having been a previous 12 yr. Ford Bronco owner, I am very dissapointed in the quality and service that Ford provides. What I paid in repairs over the years including my regular monthly installments, I should have been driving a LEXUS. I WILL NOT PURCHASE A FORD VEHICHLE. My friend currently recommended a 2005 or 2006 Nissan Maximum SL, which he says is a great car. At this point I want a reliable car and I'll take any pointers. I do not want to commit to a longterm relationship with a car again. I'm looking to lease hopefully, within the range of no more than $300.00/month. I don't know if this is unreasonable or what I will need to do to or say to get this price. This is the beginning of my homework...Hopefully you can help. Thanks in advance.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,336
    a good first step is looking for advice here to understand the process.

    One thing though, same as if you were planning to buy, is to figure out what your needs are and pick the right car(s) for your needs. A maxima is quite a bit different than a focus, gets much lower mileage, etc.

    Anyway, one advantage of leasing is that you can easily shop prices by looking for advertised manufacturers specials. Some recent deals on mid level Accords come to mind, which might be a good choice for you.

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  • bobstbobst Member Posts: 1,776
    You are absolutely right, Bip! We had no faith your dealer would re-negotiate your loan. Good for you.

    About selling your 91 Maxima, please tell the potential buyer about the problems with the CV boots and joints. I lived in Ft. Myers for years and Punta Gorda had a reputation for the rough, tough people who roamed that area. If you sell a car with problems and the new buyer realizes he has to spend $1000 or so to fix the car, he could be very upset with you. I would not want to risk making one of those Punta Gorda types mad at me.
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Welcome ntyet. Since you are new to the world of leasing, you definitely should check out the following informative articles that are available here at Edmunds.com prior to visiting any dealers: 10 Steps to Leasing a New Car and Calculate Your Own Lease Payment.

    Once you have a good understanding of how leasing works, stop by the following forum here at Edmunds.com: Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences. There you will be able to find out how much other community members have paid for their Maximas lately by visiting the following discussion: "Nissan Maxima: Prices Paid & Buying Experience". When you have an idea of what sort of price you should pay for this car, stop by the "Nissan Maxima: Lease Questions" discussion and I will be happy to estimate what your lease payment should be like on the car that you want using Nissan's actual lease program.

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  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ....... Not to defend the dealer - but, it does sound like the salesperson was a little overzealous ..l.o.l...

    You also have to remember that dealers talk with hundreds of people a week .. and you would be amazed on how many potential buyers "think" they're pre-approved because they just got a form letter from a credit card company that said "pre-qualified" for "application" .. or they might have spoken with someone at the local credit union for 2 minutes and the conversation went like: "you're a good customer here and we should be able to loan you $25,000 if everything checks out .."

    Unfortunately, good customers pay for all of the "not so good" customers .... maybe the guy just before you might be pre-approved for $25,000 ~ but, he needs $30,000 because he's flipped in his trade, perhaps he's approved but he also needs the Mrs on the contract and he's been out shopping without her, or maybe his lender has "conditioned" him to only $20,000 and he's lookin' at that $25,000 vehicle - or maybe he's just not approved at all ... I know it's hard to believe, but customers "can and do" make things up .. dealers hear it everyday, that's why a legit guy like you gets a second look.

    Car buying is alot like home buying .... get pre-approved, and then get a pre-approval letter from the lender that states the amount and the rate, it makes it a whoooole lot easier for you and the dealer.



    Terry. ;)
  • manamalmanamal Member Posts: 426
    Terry,

    I had one dealer (a Toyota dealer near my house) that would not accept a pre-approval letter when everything is in order from a good bank (USAA FSB). This was 4 years ago. They tried to tell me I needed to go through thier bank because that is the way they do business. I got up to walk, then they changed their tune. The manager came over, and said of course they would accept the USAA draft, as long as we had a backup loan agreement.

    Oh....the F & I person tried to tell me my best rate was 8.5 % in 2002. Through USAA I am paying 5%.

    My guess is the F & I person knew that they had us over a barrel (replacing a totalled car, and the rental payment was done).
  • juicymoosejuicymoose Member Posts: 22
    I hear what your saying. I guess all they could have done was ask to see the pre-payment check. I had with me a big old folder w/ all the paperwork in it. However, I was turned down by a couple banks during my credit application process (first major purchase).

    I got the loan through E-LOAN and they gave me what I asked for ($24K, 60mon, 5.65%). As did several other companies but w/ worse rates. I should be fine with the dealer, right? Unless when they call me to say the vehicle is in and they give me the runaround like they did to manamal. If I follow suit their shouldn't be any snags. We'll see what happens.

    Thanks
  • bipwopbipwop Member Posts: 21
    thanks, bobst, even though you kind of gave me a hard time there for a while. ;-P
    And thanks for the advice about selling the Nissan. Even before that advice, I had written up a page that included everything the Nissan had, and every problem it had.
    Very detailed and complete. I am too honest a person not to tell the whole truth (which maybe you finally learned about me). I'm sure I got a lot less for it than I would have had I kept my mouth shut, but I would have never been able to live with myself. You know how it goes: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
    It ended up that I never had to advertise. Someone we knew (not very well) bought it from me immediately. kbb value in fair condition = $1800. I was going to advertise it for $1500 obo, since I felt bad about the problems it had. He offered $1350, and I didn't fight because it saved me the hassle of trying to sell it. Oh, and he didn't want me to put the price on the title (I think he was trying to cut tax corners), but I wouldn't go along. Sorry, Charley!
    I didn't know that those Punta Gordians were so rough! Thanks for the heads up! :-D
  • ntyetntyet Member Posts: 6
    Thanks for the help. I've lowered my expectations based on my pocket size. I'm actually in the market to lease a Honda :-). More reasonable and suitable to my needs

    Thanks for the great advice.
  • ntyetntyet Member Posts: 6
    Hello and thanks once again.

    I took all of this wonderful advice. I actually realized....although a wonderful vehicle.... the Maxima was quite out of my price range. I am currently negotiating a lease on a '06 Honda Accord EX based on the plethora of helpful topics this site offers. And not to forget... the great assistance from others here as well.

    Well appreciated...Thanks again
  • parrishaparrisha Member Posts: 2
    First time poster to these boards so I apologize if this issue has been addressed before. I am in the market for an Audi, found a car I wanted, agreed on a price, everything went extremely well until I got to F&I where the guy refused to accept my e-loan powercheck for the full price of the car. Said that they had trouble with e-loan in the past, that there was too much paperwork for them to do, that they would have to wait too long for their money, blah, blah, blah. I knew he was just trying to get me to finance through the dealership, which I did not want to do, so I walked out. And they did not change their tune. I kept my cool but I was angry because I had accepted the internet price they quoted me on the car (it was reasonably close to TMV and I was ok with it because I really liked the car) and I had also told the salesman that I had arranged financing after we agreed on the price. The salesman was great but the F&I guy was a real jerk. So now I'm wondering if I'm going to run into this problem at every dealership I hope to buy a car from. I'm either going to buy an Audi, Volkswagen, or Subaru. Has anyone else had this problem? What should I expect?
  • biancarbiancar Member Posts: 965
    Probably what you can expect is a call from the dealership saying "We've worked out the problems with e-loan, come on back!"
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,336
    did you at least let the dealer try to match your E-loan rate? They have a lot of financing sources to work with, and can usually be competitive.

    You may have the same problem at other dealers. IIRC, there are (or were) 2 different types of online loan checks, one that was basically like a bank check (that is, you were already all approved), and the other was some kind of draft that still required final approval. Dealers really didn't like the second kind.

    It is reasonable to assume that they have had problems in the past with E-loan, because they let you leave. Sure, they would prefer to finance you themselves, but no way they are letting someone who is effectively just a cash customer walk out without a car for that reason.

    If you want to know for sure, ask them if they would be OK with a check from a credit union (same premise as walking in with an E-loan check).

    The only thing dealers really don't want is to not get paid! And guess what happens if Eloan stiffs them? You get repo'd!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,336
    did you at least let the dealer try to match your E-loan rate? They have a lot of financing sources to work with, and can usually be competitive.

    You may have the same problem at other dealers. IIRC, there are (or were) 2 different types of online loan checks, one that was basically like a bank check (that is, you were already all approved), and the other was some kind of draft that still required final approval. Dealers really didn't like the second kind.

    It is reasonable to assume that they have had problems in the past with E-loan, because they let you leave. Sure, they would prefer to finance you themselves, but no way they are letting someone who is effectively just a cash customer walk out without a car for that reason.

    If you want to know for sure, ask them if they would be OK with a check from a credit union (same premise as walking in with an E-loan check).

    The only thing dealers really don't want is to not get paid! And guess what happens if Eloan stiffs them? You get repo'd!

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  • parrishaparrisha Member Posts: 2
    The e-loan check I took to the dealership was a bank check - good as cash with no need for further approval. The F&I guy was really rude, but the salesman was a nice guy and when I walked out he followed me out to my car and said that maybe they could give me the same rate. I told him I wasn't interested for the following reason: I have a good credit score (780) but have been recently diagnosed with a chronic medical condition. So I'm a little protective of that score, given the uncertainty of my condition, and the fact that I'm going to be (hopefully!) moving closer to my family and applying for a mortgage soon. I went with e-loan in order to avoid unnecessary credit inquiries that could lower my score. As much as I would love to have that car, I can't take a chance that a car could limit my ability to put a roof over my head one day. Has anyone else out there tried to use an e-loan Powercheck at an Audi dealership?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    Another credit check really isn't going to hurt you.

    In any case, Eloan has a list of approved dealers they know will accept their check. When I got my paperwork from Eloan, the list was part of it. If you can't find it, maybe give them a call and ask them to tell you which dealers near you would be most willing to accept the check.

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  • platinumbird1platinumbird1 Member Posts: 25
    My niece would like to buy a car and my wife would like to co-sign her on her car loan. Dealer is charging them 8.55% for 60 months which is kinda high what we expect to pay for the Honda Accord 2006. My friend told me to put the loan under my wife and after 1 or 2 years transfer the loan title to my niece name. Is this legal to do it?. Any advise are highly appreciated.
  • biancarbiancar Member Posts: 965
    Parrisha, the extra credit check won't hurt you but car payments definitely will when you're applying for a mortgage. You want to keep your total debt (including both the mortgage and the car payment and whatever other debt you might have) to absolutely no more than 36% of your gross income. A car payment will directly impact how much of a mortgage you can qualify for. So maybe that dealer was doing you a favor in disguise when he turned down your E-Loan check!
  • manamalmanamal Member Posts: 426
    DO NOT COSIGN! Your wife is responsible for the loan. Do not do it unless you can afford the car payment yourself.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    To answer your question, I don't think there are any legal issues with putting the loan into your wife's name, then transferring it over to the niece. But, I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV, so others might have a different opinion.

    But, let me echo what was said above .. if you cosign, you are just as responsible for the loan as the niece.

    When our 18 year old son wanted us to cosign on a car with him a year ago, we told him we would, but he could only spend what we could afford to make as a payment. Therefore, he got a car with a $150/mo payment (used Saturn).
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    I don't believe you can make a transfer like that. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty darned sure the good ole US gov'ment is going to count that as a sale and want your neice to pay sales tax ... AGAIN!

    Has your neice tried getting the loan on her own? 8.5% isn't all that great, so you never know, she may not do too much worse without a cosigner.

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  • bdr127bdr127 Member Posts: 950
    My friend told me to put the loan under my wife and after 1 or 2 years transfer the loan title to my niece name. Is this legal to do it?.

    The issue here is the discrepancy between the name on the lien and the name on the state registration. Most states require the name on the lien and the registration to be the same. (Note that while you are financing, the "title" is actually in the bank's name -- not yours.) Once the lien is paid, the bank will sign over the title to the name on the lien. If you want to put the title in your niece's name after you have paid the lien and you possess the title in your name, then that is no problem.

    You should check on your particular state, but it seems like your neice would have to get a loan in her name after that 1 or 2 years in order to have the car in her name and you and your wife free from accountability.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    ah, yes, bdr's statement made me think of something else.

    When the car is registered in your name, then you have to carry insurance in your name, as well. So your neice would be driving a car you are covering on your insurance. Not a good scenario all around.

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  • bdr127bdr127 Member Posts: 950
    It is really nice to be able to help out a family member with a large purchase like this. However, you have to consider the worst-case scenario...

    If your niece loses her job or something and is totally unable to make the payments, are you prepared to make them instead? Even worse if she's unable to make the payments but doesn't tell you until it's too late (deliquency reported to collection or already repo'd). If she even makes any late payments, that will show on your credit report.

    Like I said, it's a great thing to be able to do for someone, but you also need to know what you are getting into. As someone else said above, if you can't afford to make the payments, then you shouldn't co-sign.
  • platinumbird1platinumbird1 Member Posts: 25
    Thanks for all your advise. I even call one of the dealership here in my area and I have the same information that It cannot transfer the lien or title to my niece name unless the loan is fully paid. As far as I know, she can afford the car but still... I'm thinking the worst case scenario. I think that 8.55% APR over 5 years is not bad at all. In the long run, this is the beginning to establish her credit history. I remember, when I bought my first car, I had to deal with 14% APR for a 5 year deal. In the long run, it pays for it since I establish my credit history within 6 months. Once again, thanks again for all your advise!
  • mitzijmitzij Member Posts: 613
    Can you build up your own credit by paying on someone else's loan?
  • bdr127bdr127 Member Posts: 950
    Can you build up your own credit by paying on someone else's loan?

    You can build your credit by being on someone else's loan... whether you yourself pay on it or not.

    When I was 16 years old, my parents added me as a user on their credit card. Granted, they never actually gave me a physical card to use... :( My name was just attached.

    The result: By the time I got out of college and wanted to buy a new car, I had almost 6 years of some credit history... not a big history, but some history.
  • biancarbiancar Member Posts: 965
    Do you give someone a better price on the car if they're going to finance with you, or is any financing profit just gravy after whatever profit you want on the car?

    Say there's a fairly pricey car, could be anywhere from low to upper 30's, Buyer could put down as much as 25,000. Or less, obviously. Or wait a while and save up so savings equal car price.

    So, let's say (hypothetically) the car stickers around $40,000. Buyer and seller negotiate down to 38. At that point, would the dealer be more likely to offer another thousand (or whatever number) off if the buyer takes the dealer's financing? Does it matter if he finances say, $30,000 of it vs. $15,000?

    Is the cash buyer at an advantage or disadvantage when negotiating price?
  • danf1danf1 Member Posts: 897
    That depends on the store. A good sales manager will take all aspects of the deal into consideration when authorizing a price. If you are financing with the dealer, then you may be able to save a little more because the manager knows that he will make some of it up.

    That will probably vary depending upon how the sales manager is paid too. If they don't get a cut of finance income, then it will probably be irrelevant how you intend to pay.
  • bobstbobst Member Posts: 1,776
    For what it is worth, Bianca, we like to pay cash for our cars. We buy cars like Hondas that we can enjoy driving for years. The highest priced car we have ever bought was the Accord we got last March and it only cost $20700 out-the-door.

    It makes everything so simple. We compute the OTD price we are willing to pay and offer that amount. If they accept, we write a check for that amount and drive the new car home.

    If we had financed the car instead, then we would have put our $20700 in the bank where it would have earned about 4.5% interest, which is only about 3% after taxes. I bet the loan interest would have been more than 3%. That is why paying cash makes sense to me.

    Paying cash is what Thoreau would have done. He never had to buy a car, but he did have to pay cash for the house he built beside Walden Pond. It cost him exactly $28 and 12.5 cents.
  • sandman46sandman46 Member Posts: 1,798
    We also pay cash for our cars. We drive economy cars only and the prices are always under 20k. We also start squirrelling money away in a seperate account when the new car is purchased. Most times we leap frog on our purchases. Since the wife bought her '05 Mazda 3 in July, it'll be my turn next. But since I only have 26.4 k on the '03 Sentra, it'll be a few years until I start to look.

    The Sandman :)
  • biancarbiancar Member Posts: 965
    I asked because I've been a cash buyer too, in the past. I haven't had a car payment for 20-some years. The last car I bought was our Maxima in 2000, for around $26,000.

    I've got about that much saved up in our dedicated car account. (I do the same thing you do, sandman, put money into a car account as soon as I've bought something - keeps the car payments going to myself instead of to someone else).

    Thing is I never imagined myself lusting after a $40,000 car. But now I am...

    My frugal Midwestern heart might not let me go through with this until I've added another $15k to our own account.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    E-loan has two types of checks. One type is a "draft" that any smart dealer won't touch. These are basically non-cashable checks with a lot of strings attached. No thanks!

    And, the local banks and credit unions are getting sick and tired of upstart faceless internet companies cutting into their core business to the point, the will usually match or beat thier rates.

    I know who I would rather deal with...my local bank!
  • biancarbiancar Member Posts: 965
    Well, it took some of those upstart internet companies to give the local banks the kick in the pants they needed. I'd rather deal with my local credit union, generally, but my local *bank,* not so much. The bank still has higher fees for various accounts that nickel and dime you to death. I'd never get a car loan from my bank, only from the Credit Union.

    Although I haven't even had a CU car loan for decades. I like using the power of saving money in advance.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Are meeting the competition from the credit unions more and more these days too.

    I happen to like my local bank. I'm a person there and not a number. They DON'T nickle and dime me with fees either.

    But then, I like State Farm too for the same reasons.
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