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  • raydahsraydahs Member Posts: 449
    I could be wrong, but my interpretation of the 2000+ warranty is the same as the pre 2000, with the added protection (10/120) to the powertrain. Here's a link to a detailed version of the 99' warranty, which is 3/50 bumper to bumper and (5/60) powertrain.

    http://isuzu-suvs.com/images/99trooperwarranty.PDF
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    what year is yours? I'm positive that all limiteds in 00-02 were 2-tone with grey or metalic on the bottom. LSs were monotone.

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    3/50K bumper to bumper
    10/120K Powertrain

    at least til they dropped the warranty to like 7/75 or something.

    -mike
  • buranburan Member Posts: 15
    Breakor, thanks for your input. I just have one question: What part of the US do you live in? I am just trying to see if a weather is a factor in how well tape-on deflector is holding on.
    thanks.
  • skillam1skillam1 Member Posts: 4
    All - getting tired of swaying around in corners, and wondering if anyone has put in aftermarket shocks? Suggestions?

    Also getting pissed about resale - ahould have thought about it more, but I got an 02LS about 1.5yrs ago for like 10k off sticker and thought a swang a pretty good deal, but i'm already like 4k upsidedown! Good thing i like the truck (even though the wife won't let me drive it much) cause it'll take me another 2yr probably to get back on-top of it.

    BTW - up around 25k - and absolutly no probs to speak of. Just got back from a 4 day rd trip, averaged about 20mpg on the hwy - but truck did awesome, huge and comfy as always - still luvin that huuuuge sunroof!

    I have mine in monotone grn - and getting tired of the look, whats the advice on getting a painter to tan up the bottom for a two-tone look like most other troopers?
  • breakorbreakor Member Posts: 398
    former car's (I sold shortly after applying but saw last time I visted the area) window deflectors are doing fine in warm/hot climates for almost 6 years. I put some on my parents car about 3 years ago. Theirs is still fine going on 3 years with snowy winters.

    IIRC all are the Ventshade brand. I haven't done a set on my Trooper so I cannot give you a model number.

    AFAIK most manufacturers use such tape to apply things like door trim pieces. I guess the final key is to ask yourself how many cars you have seen that are missing one or more such trim pieces or window deflectors. If the answer is none then the system should probably work in your area.
  • silverghostsilverghost Member Posts: 154
    A quick fix for the swaying is polyeurathane sway bar bushings, front and rear. Straightened up my '01 LS considerably. JC Whitney has 'em, and so does Suspension Restoration. About $30 total, and a 20 minute DIY job.

    http://www.jcwhitney.com
    http://www.suspension.com

    I haven't replaced shocks/springs/swaybars, but a lot of regulars here have. Rancho 5000/9000 shocks seem pretty popular.

    Great MPG. Is yours RWD or 4WD? I get about the same mileage as you with my '01 RWD Troop.

    I'm sure someone on this board (in your area) could suggest a good body shop. IMO, though, you might want to wait a bit. The paint on the plastic fender extensions chips pretty easily, and unless you do much off-roading, you will probably want to repaint them after they get crappy looking.

    I personally prefer the monochrome treatment, 'cause it distinguishes the LS from the less expensive, lesser equipped S version. Never understood why the top-o-the-line Limited had the same paint scheme as the base model S version. Seems a strange image mix to me, but that's just my 2CW. BTW, the Acura SLX (a now defunct Trooper clone) only came in a monochrome paint scheme, for what that's worth.

    Dave
  • dmuzykadmuzyka Member Posts: 31
    Paisan, you truly are the trooper guru, but I have to say I remember there being a silver monotone Limited in late '01 when I bought my LS, but I didn't want running boards or the wood interior (and the bigger payment). Personally, I think the monotone is much classier since it de-emphasizes the wheel cladding. I always thought the pre-96 Troopers look asthetically more balanced without cladding, but I do appreciate the slightly wider track.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    That '01 was NOT a Limited.

    In '01 they offered an "Anniversary" edition that came in a monotone White, with silver running boards, Nagamichi Stereo, "Limited" style wheels, and IIRC (but don't quote me on this) Leather interior. The Moonroof however was still optional.

    :)

    -mike

    PS: The color was Alpine White Pearl :)
  • bstone3bstone3 Member Posts: 97
    My 01 LS is Monotone Mica Red - never have seen a two tone LS anywhere - also I think the two tone paint on the S is different pattern than that on Limited.

    As for sway I progressively improved mine by first adding poly bushings (4K) and was amazed at how much they improved the handling - easy do it yourself job. Next I installed Rancho 5000 gas shocks (10K) - another great improvement - but the clincher was installing 265-70-16 tires (43K) - the wider track and wider footprint really steadied things out. Also gives the Trooper a beefier look and a wider track appearance from the rear - the tire sticks out slightly past the mud flap on the rear - the factory mud flap with its outside edge angled inward made the Trooper look a little bow legged - not now.
  • silverghostsilverghost Member Posts: 154
    Just checked my original factory brochure. The Anniversary Edition was monotone white, and leather was standard.

    I also found that there was a monotone Limited offered in '01. It was the "Gold Package" option, which included gold mesh LS-style wheels, gold badging, and a single-color paint scheme (apparently in any available color).
  • scoobyaxscoobyax Member Posts: 51
    FYI the company name is AutoVentshade, you can check out their website for more info... Autoventshade.com (no I don't work for them)

    The smoke acrylic models are actually called "Ventvisors", IIRC "Ventshades" are what they call the metal screw-in models.

    I have had Ventvisors on my past 3 trucks, and also my wifes last 2 cars with no problems. The Axiom looks great with them and they are very functional as well. The 3M tape used will hold! Just make sure you clean the area well with the alcohol pads provided and position exactly where you want it. Once they stick on there's no time for adjustment. Should set you back about $60 if you shop around.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Thanks for the info, I have added it to my memory now :)

    Also, the 2-tone S and Limited were different, and the Limiteds got the chrome/silver mirrors while the S got black and LS got body color.

    -mike
  • buranburan Member Posts: 15
    Breakor, Scoobyax thanks a lot for your info.
    As weather getting colder here in MD (except last 3 days) I probably should not install it when temp is below 50F.
  • skillam1skillam1 Member Posts: 4
    Yeah - mine is 4wd - and 20mpg for the trip is the best i've seen so far. I'll give the bushings a try - its a cheap fix so why not.

    Also - I have ventshade stick on window shades as well and they work fine - had one crack in me, so I'm going to have to replace it though - wonder how hard its going to be to get it off and the the old tape off??

    I can't wait to get new tires - i hate the Bridgstone M/S's i have on there now. Just too loud and ride pretty hard - although they did kick butt this summer in the mtns. Definately will upsize - do the 265's fit OK on the stock rims?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I run 275-70-16 on my stockers.

    -mike
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    I have just passed 45k miles with 265/70/16 Goodyear Wrangler RTSs and they are wearing evenly. I got free balancing and rotation when I bought them and have used the service every 5-7k miles. I probably won't go much farther on them, maybe 5-10k, for the reasons others have mentioned here, not so much treadlife remaining.

    Jim
  • raydahsraydahs Member Posts: 449
    What do you use that (storage) cavity in the dash located under the Left A/C vent for? The only thing I could find that fits conveniently, is my cell phone.
  • silverghostsilverghost Member Posts: 154
    I use mine for a credit card size toll lane transmitter. Used to put my cigs in there, but after the transmitter fell off the windsheild a few times (the adhesive gave out), it now lives there.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    It fits a cig pack perfectly. Since the truck is mostly sold outside the US where they smoke heavily.

    What I want to know is what fits in that indentation on the right side of the steering column!

    -mike
  • bsmart1bsmart1 Member Posts: 377
    trooper is a 99' model. So it doesn't fit in the discussion you guys were having of 00' and later models. The 99' Perf. Pkg. was the equivalent of the Limited for 98' and 99' I think. In 00' they began calling it Limited again. I also had a 97' Limited and it had the same features as my 99' with the exception of TOD.

    Those nylon sway bar bushings are a very good fix for sway issues, and the price is dirt cheap!

    Someone had asked about my mileage since I replaced my IAT sensor with the resistor known as the 20+HP mod. Well....the jury's still out, but I believe my mileage is slightly BETTER! I did take a trip in the Ozarks this past weekend and the performance was much better than usual. Change in elevation was from 600ft. to 2200ft. several times. It was quite warm for this time of year (we're setting record high temps) but the Trooper didn't seem to act like it was. The pep was there as I described before. What a cheap mod. to get such improvement. I believe it's already paid for itself.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    was = to the LS models in '00-'02
    The Luxury Package was = to the Limited in '00-'02

    On a side note, I got a CEL the other night, and just happen to get my scanner the next day. Pulled the code. Catalyst In-effeciency in both banks. Looks like I need cats.

    -mike
  • schweikbschweikb Member Posts: 111
    I have a 98 Trooper S, Black with Silver wheel opening cladding. In 98 you could get an S model in Silver, and then the wheel opening and overall body looked monotone - does that qualify as monotone for purposes of this discussion?
    I almost purchased an S in silver, but thought it looked too much like a suburban-NYC type thing. I really wanted the weird, lightish green, but my dealer had none and the $7,000 off list deal they offered applied only to models in stock.
    I am told the little indentation on the right side of the steering column is for coins commonly used for tolls in Japan. Maybe this is not so but that's what someone told me a couple of years a go.
    Maybe it's for Life Savers?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    All Troopers were consider "S" models. There were "packages" which later equated to the LS and Limited models.

    -mike
  • schweikbschweikb Member Posts: 111
    I am not sure what you mean all when saying all 98's were considered S Models. When I bought mine the color brochure showed three "models." Also, the dealers I went to had several LS and Limited models in stock, and on the window stickers, where my shows Trooper S, the others showed "LS or Limited".
    Also, on the S and Limited models the vehicles had the two-tone treatment, while the Ls model had the monotone treatment. There were other differences too such as the heavy, metallic tinitng of the rear windows on the higher priced models.
    I seem to recall there was a performance package available with the 98 (or maybe 99) Trooper S which would have replaced the Part Time 4WD I have with the TOD system, but to my knowledge in 1998 there were 3 distinct Trooper models. I went to Sholz in White Plains, NY and Alfredo's in Mamaroneck, NY (out of business now I believe) and Otto in Albany, NY and they all had the three different models.
    I'll find and look at the brochure in the next week when I get downstate again and refresh what coould be a failing memory. Anyway, this is what I recall.
  • cobbocobbo Member Posts: 34
    Ya'll are right about there being monotone paint on the 01 limited with the gold package....that's the color scheme on my truck...black w/the gold package, though everything at the time that I saw only had the gold package available on the black truck, and the only other monotone LTDs I recall seeing was the Anniversary Edition in the pearl white....and there must be very few of either out there, b/c in the past 2 1/2 years and 66k, I have yet to see another 01 black LTD with the gold package...

    As for my 2c in the quick poll on the slot to the left of the steering wheel, I use mine to hold credit cards (gas cards), passes to amusement parks, and other assorted business card size stuff....and like others, I have absolutely no idea what to use the finger size indent for to the right of the steering column...

    Also, adding to the debate awhile back about deteriorating fuel economy with increased mileage, I must confess to be seeing some of that...whereas I used to average 15 mpg (sometimes as lucky to get 16.5), it has been months since I've seen those figures and I'm now lucky to average 14mpg (generally in the high 13.something)...but as least my Troop doesn't suck any oil...

    Finally, as a service update, T3 is doing fine....just passed the 66k mark, so looks like he should last a while longer yet...no real problems as of late, although when in for the most recent oil change they did find a cracked cover on the transmission which was replaced under warranty...aside from that, it's been smooth sailing....

    -Cobbo
  • leedavidyoungleedavidyoung Member Posts: 102
    I'm not sure about '98 model, but in '99 all Troopers were S-package with several upgrade options including performance package & luxury package.

    Re: Quick Poll. I'm ashamed to say my pocket holds a constant supply of Marlboro Lights. Soft pack is a perfect fit. Hard pack requires effort. About twice a year I try to quit and after a week or two serving duty as a gum holder cigarettes seem to magically reappear in the Trooper's pocket.
  • silverghostsilverghost Member Posts: 154
    Mike, how many miles do you have on your Trooper? Yours is the only instance of Cat failure I can recall reading about.

    -dave
  • leedavidyoungleedavidyoung Member Posts: 102
    My '99 Trooper is one of the oil burners.

    It has burned 1 quart every 2,500 miles since birth. I change the oil every 5,000 miles (5W-30 dino) and add a quart at each half way mark. At 106,000 miles the engine runs like new. The only issue that I've had that may be related to excessive oil usage is an EGR valve replacement at around 75K miles.
  • bawbcatbawbcat Member Posts: 118
    I'm believe Paisan is correct that there were no "LS" or "Ltd" models in '98-'99. There was just one "model" which was the "S". You could add the "performance" package to get the equivalent of the "LS" or the "luxury" package to get the equivalent of the "Limited". My 98 "S" with performance package has monotone paint with black bumper strips along the side doors, and has the "S" style 5-spoke wheels instead of the mesh wheels used on the newer "LS" models. IMHO, this is the best look for the Trooper.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    My failed last winter...35K miles.
  • raydahsraydahs Member Posts: 449
    Mike, if indeed you need new Cat's be sure to check out the bottom of page 5 of the 99' warranty (pdf). Your covered 8/80K
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    Consumer Reports will have another chance to show the world its dirty deeds.

    http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=6580&sid=17- 3&n=156

    Suzuki, Isuzu and Mitsubishi SUVS have been abused in CR publicity stunts. I hope they lose big enough to stop falsifying results. I would love for them to be required to print a disclaimer declaring their willingness to decieve the readers and trash products to make a buck.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    And mine is an '00 with an extended bumper to bumper warranty so I should be good to go.

    My truck just turned 66K miles.

    -mike
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Member Posts: 2,554
    Paisan is correct about the 1998 and 1999 Troopers. The only “model” was the “S”. I would bet more than a couple bucks that all 1998 and 1999 Trooper official window stickers said "Trooper S" regardless of the optional equipment on them.

    The next step up in equipment was the Performance Package, and the Luxury Package could be added on top of that. The term “model” doesn’t have exactly the same meaning to everyone, but a 1998 Trooper with Performance Package is not a model; it’s a Trooper, S model, with the Performance Package option package.

    One way to clear this up is to consider how does a state’s department of motor vehicles look at it. Well, our ’98 Troop Performance Pkg is listed as a Trooper S, because that’s what the state of Michigan considers the model. Our insurance company, Allstate, looks at it the same way – when we bought the truck, the only choice for 1998 Trooper in their database was “Trooper S.”

    I believe this may have contributed to many folks with Luxury Pkg Troopers getting a cheaper insurance rate than the insurers intended. In the eyes of the states and the insurers, the $36k Luxury Pkg Trooper was the same as a $28k stripped-down Trooper S.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    The realism is the Trooper hasn't changed much since 1992...some engine, drivetrain and body modifications, but to sit in a 1994 Trooper is probably not to far off sitting inside an 2002...IMO Isuzu may have changed the descriptions and brochures, however a limited vs. luxury package is pretty much the same.

    It was kind of funny how in late 2001 and 2002, all different flavors were reported as showing up on dealer lots...S models with power mirrors, Limited without some things, etc. We on this board attributed it to Isuzu emptying the parts bin on the last few production Trooper's coming off the lines.
  • tetonmantetonman Member Posts: 73
    Yeah, I know we've probably ridden this one to death... bit I'm going to add my two cents...

    We replaced OEM tires at 48,000 miles. Still had tread left, although the truck was slightly out of alignment and they were starting to wear irregularly. SO, we got an alignment and put on Michelin Cross Terrains. Kinda expensive, but the truck rides beautifully now. We don't go off roading (no action clips like Paisan!) ) so these were the perfect tire for us.

    Handling did improve significantly and we're ready to deal with our Chicago weather.

    Good luck to all,

    Tetonman
  • schweikbschweikb Member Posts: 111
    Looks like I am numerically and probably factually outgunned regarding whether the '98 Trooper had "models" or simply an S model with packages. I got into this discussion (see my post #8718) merely on the subject of whether a '98 Trooper S (without packages but with color Light Silver and its same color wheel opening cladding) qualified as a "monotone" treatment or was just a freakish two-tone.
    I do remember that the dealer I bought from kept referring to the 3 different '98 Trooper models and showed me invoices for all three versions/models/packages. I was not particularly concerned at the time whether there was a distinct and clearly defined "model" for each, simply that there were 3 different versions he stocked and that each had different equipment and pricing ramifications.
    I also remember 3 different pictures and categories in the nice color brochure they gave me. Believe it or not the biggest reason I went for the base Trooper S was that the others had darkly tinted rear and rear side windows - something I cannot tolerate. Sunroofs, leather, automatic temperature control, CD players, adjustable seats and all that stuff really don't matter much to me. But, I really dislike people who drive vehicles that you cannot see through in traffic(especially big boxy vehicles like the Trooper). I think they are safety hazards, and I did not want to be one of those socially inconsiderate people.
    Anyway, fading age and a sense that whatever they were called they were 3 different "levels" of Trooper I probably went on my own way thinking they were "models." Sorry if that offended anyone. My only copy of the brochure is 150 miles away from where I am now. I am sure that when I get back "home" and get to look at it (which I haven't in 3 or 4 years) I will see that Paisan and others are correct - I have no doubt!!
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    You know the reason for the tint, is for environmental reasons. Otherwise they would be hot as all getup.

    -mike
  • wildbucwildbuc Member Posts: 88
    I have a 99 Trooper (Performance) that I use to tow a 2800 lb. camper trailer. Is there any way of increasing the horsepower a little? Any increase would be greatly appreciated while ascending long upgrades.

    Also, regarding another topic, my local Isuzu service manager does not recommend installing a transmission cooler since he says that the Trooper already has one in the radiator. He noted also that to install a cooler, the radiator cooler would have to be disconnected.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    my stock '00 trooper tows 5000lbs fine up hills.

    As for the cooler having to cut out the stock one, that's bogus. You run the lines into the stock, then into the aux, then to the tranny.

    -mike

    PS: I don't run an aux cooler on mine and it stays cool.
  • wildbucwildbuc Member Posts: 88
    Thats what I figured too paisan, but I didn't say anything to him. It seems that service managers are often not able to provide useful information. (This is the same guy who said he never heard of Mobil 1 transmission fluid.)

    Good to know that your tranny stays cool. I have been thinking about taking a cross-country trip, however, and wonder if any added protection is needed.
  • schweikbschweikb Member Posts: 111
    As you know, my 98 Trooper S doesn't have the darkly tinted windows, yet in hot months I do not find it very warm inside or hard to cool down especially considering the volume of the interior. My '02 Altima seems to me a much harder vehicle to keep cool than the Troop, especially considering the Altima's smaller interior volume. Even so, personal comfort seems to me less important than safety. I guess it is a very personal consideration.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Well for that matter, have you removed the rear spare tire carrier? I mean you are picking one tiny little criteria to be "thoughtful" on. What about the poor milage that the Trooper gets, that's not very considerate.

    :)

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Before a X-country trip in a trooper, i'd:

    Flush the coolant, and re-fill. Oil Change, perhaps diffy and ATF change as well. Other than that you should be good to go. I regularly throw on anywhere from 400-1000 miles on a weekend trip spur of the moment towing with the trooper, so IMHO they are pretty much good to go at any point in time :)

    -mike
  • raydahsraydahs Member Posts: 449
    "But, I really dislike people who drive vehicles that you cannot see through in traffic (especially big boxy vehicles like the Trooper). I think they are safety hazards, and I did not want to be one of those socially inconsiderate people"

    But your driving a Trooper! What about the person in the Nissan Altima that's looking into the license plate, how would you accommodate them? I must be missing something here?
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    If being able to see past or through the vehicle in front of you is a problem, you are following too close. Back off and the vehicle you are following will feel more relaxed, maybe enough to speed up.
    ..
    I have been rear ended a bunch (6 times in 27 years) of times by cars following too close.
    ..
    Another way to put this is: One of the many good reasons for driving a Trooper is the solid frame and its ability to protect you from such tailgaters.
  • leedavidyoungleedavidyoung Member Posts: 102
    I think schweikb's point is that the "boxy" design of the trooper combined with tint creates a bad situation for following cars.

    I can see the reasoning behind this statement. But cargo vans, tractor trailers, dump trucks etc. do not even give you the option of peeping through the glass to see what's ahead. I agree with boxtrooper that tailgating is the real danger not window tinting.

    I'm down in Georgia and trust me without tint the Trooper is a greenhouse on wheels. My wife and I tint all of our cars soon after we buy them. At 5 years old the Trooper's leather looks and feels brand new. My wife travels alone at night and I like the added security of not advertising this fact to the world.
    (O.k I know it's ironic that I'm advertising this fact on the world wide web. ;-))
     
    Lee
  • sdc2sdc2 Member Posts: 780
    But...in 99 the rear window was NOT tinted. Only the rear side windows are tinted. You can see right through my Performance Package Trooper longitudinally...of course, as others have noted, you have to be in a pretty tall vehicle for it to matter.
  • tkevinblanctkevinblanc Member Posts: 356
    There are all sorts of things to deal with on the road. Do we need to talk about this kind of stuff? I could(and sometimes do) find something to criticize about every driver and vehicle on the road. But window tinting I think is too dark? Please. Stop.
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