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Mercedes-Benz M-class (ML320, ML350, ML500 and ML55) 2005 and earlier



  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    I did a paper on bi-xenons recently. I did confirm with my dealer that the CL had bi-xenons. My phone call did get tossed here and there. And someone at the dealer did confirm...but still, I'm not entirely confident that they do.

    The other car in the US that should have them is the Porsche 911 turbo. Again, it was a teleconverstaion reference I obtained, and again, still not 100 % if they have bi-xenons either hehe..

    I also read somewhere that the new Passat's bi-xenon option will not reach the US.

    Robert, when you dad had the CL, yer pretty sure you didn't have bi-xenons huh?

  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    The 2001 CL catolog says the CL has xenon hid LOW BEAM and halogens for high beam and fogs.

  • gss5gss5 Posts: 1
    Here's a link that talks about the 2002 ML. Basically it's the same stuff already mentioned here on the forum but there is a pic.>

  • thor3thor3 Posts: 120
    The door handles will be similar to our current day ML's There is perhaps a bit more chrome on the handle of the ML55 but I can't see it (Drew might expand on this). But not color coordinated door handles.

    The Bi-xenon lamp has basically a single xenon bulb but one that has a "reflector beam defector" (nice term : )) that moves inside the housing and thus gives the bulb a different beam pattern depending on its position. There is still a high beam halogen bulb but the Xenon beam adjusts to give better high beam pattern when high beam is activated. So, the xenon bulb fills two beam patterns; one for high and one for low beam disbursement, thus the term Bi-xenon.

    I know someone can do better justice on the above explanation than I just did...
  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    If I'm not wrong, the current ML55s uses a HID reflection system as opposed to a projector system for low beams. Halogens are reserved for high beams.

    In a bi-xenon or bifunction xenon HID REFLECTION system, the xenon bulb is moved between two distinct positions within the reflector. This will yield two different light distributions for low and high beam. For high beam illumination, the xenon bulb will move and the light pattern moves upward and concentrates to form a central maximum region.

    For a PROJECTION system, that's a different story. This system will utilize a shutter to switch between low and high beam functions. The bulb remains in a fixed position but a shutter moves between a defined position for low beam and another for high beam. While in low beam position, the edge of the shutter is positioned on the optical axis. To achieve high beam illumination, the shutter is moved along a radial curve downward - this enables the entire reflector surface to be utilized.

    To my knowledge, if a car is equipped with bi-xenons or bi-function xenons, there will only be one light source on each side of the car for both low and high beam illumination. So I don't think there will be a halogen bulb for high beam.

  • rexconde1rexconde1 Posts: 278
    Our CL did not have Bi-Xenons on it. I called the dealer and asked them about it and they too were confused!!

    I think that it is be cause we had an early production number and the lights were not yet approved for the US market (or so MBUSA says), yet the sticker says it does. But our</> CL definatly did not have Bi-Xenons on it.

  • cavman2xcavman2x Posts: 26
    With summer approaching i am considering buying a cargo carrier for my ml320. I know i have to first get the MB crossbars. Has anyone got the either of the MB cargo carriers? Pricey? Would a Thule fit and if so how do they rate compared to the MB. I also have seen a grey sears X-Cargo. (Looks better than the white)I have never bought a cargo carrier but need one for trips to the beach for chairs and kid things. TIA
  • swelshswelsh Posts: 1
    Hi Drew et al! It's been ages since I read or posted and Wow! so many changes! Hope I'm in the right place. At least I see some familar names.

    I have a 2000 ML320 and I'm due for my A service now. Any particular things I should be aware of or wary of? I had them change the oil to Mobil 1 about halfway to this service without resetting the FSS.

    I have a bad dashboard clock that gains a minute a week. Last year they suggested I live with it because it would require replacing the entire instrument cluster including odometer, etc., which I guess is a pain. They said it might make resale harder because odometer was changed. I know others had the clock problem. Any experiences on getting it fixed?

    Twice recently I've had a problem with the car not starting until I turned the wheel VERY hard. Once it took me 10 minutes of literally hanging on the wheel. Is this a known problem? I've had it on other cars but never to this degree.

    I want to replace my rearview mirror with a compass mirror. Has anyone replaced their mirror (on a 2000) with the Donnelly or Gentex mirrors?

    I need brighter headlights and back-up lights but I don't want to pay a fortune. What recommendations?

    Whew! Sorry for so many questions at one time.

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    A seriously old-looking SUV?

    Link to NY Auto Show article and video clip.

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  • dleungnycdleungnyc Posts: 41
    I saw one 2 months ago parked outside of where I work. Even though the design might be old, it really stands out and grab you and you will have no trouble finding it in a mall parking lot either, I would think.

    I was surprise at the somewhat compact size also, as I thought it would be more akin to the Landcruiser in size.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Yeah, we had some technical problems when Town Hall went offline for about 20 minutes at around 5:45pm, and a bunch of posts (starting from this morning) are missing from various Town Hall topics. We're aware of the problem and WebX is working on it.

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  • thor3thor3 Posts: 120
    Sorry to hear your story ended the way it did... we have a 1999 Ml430 and it has been great with only minor annoyances with 31K on it now. Extremely reliable and has taken us 3 times to Colorado from Virginia and 5 times to Ft. Lauderdale at speeds ranging from 0-105...never felt an SUV with this much power and stability... we've been in two blizzards can't say enough positive.

    Had the fuel sender replaced twice because I knew there were newer parts... same for changing all the door and rear latches... rattles were the worst of it but now it is very solid and quiet.

    I hope your X5 is reliable...I was reading the X5 forums for a while and there were lots of unhappy campers with some fairly serious problems.. steering linkage and such... I'm sure they've made changes to the newer production so hopefully your good to go.

    The best thing is that the X5 is more car like with a lower center of gravity and should be awesome for dry and wet roads... you might miss the ML in the winter and or for the extra cargo capacity.. but the X5 wins hands down for detail and amenities.

    Stop in and keep us posted on your BMW experience.. if they come out with a stretch version (long wheel base model rumored) we would be interested.

    Take care - Frank
  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    wow. i guess there's systems like that which use an additional H7 bulb for low beam illumination. I wonder why they would choose to do that because wouldn't the light output for high beam would far exceed SAE requirements for high beam illumination.

    My ML uses H7 for lows, H1 for high beam and H3 for fogs.

  • rockypaulrockypaul Posts: 104
    DO NOT change clock if odometer is part of project.
    In New york State you can not sell or turn in this vehicle without certifying mileage.
    At auction these vehicles go for one third less than wholesale.
    Obviously you won't care if you are leasing unless you have a large security or other deposit.
    This is a huge issue here in this state but I do not know of other states' laws.

    Good luck.
  • mlevinedcmlevinedc Posts: 45
    What would having a large security deposit on a leased ML have to do with a warranty repair and wholesale value? The MSD is against damage and unusual wear ...or am I missing something? I am not in NY but I'd like to understand the point.

  • melvintmmelvintm Posts: 1
    hi! i am try to get this deal for the 2000 ML320, with pretty much everything, except the bose system, i want to know is the stock system sound good? and what do you think about the price $34900 with starmark certified? how's everyone like their's ML???
  • gpvsgpvs Posts: 214
    What's the mileage on this ML?
  • biker5biker5 Posts: 199
    Robert, If the sticker of your Dad CL show you should have a bixenon you should complaind to the dealer as well as to MB product customer service, telling them that you were not happy with it, why the sticker show bixenon but it wasn't there. It happened to me when I purchased my daugther a HOnda, sticker show 4 wheel disc brake but it didn't the rear is drum, then I complain for false advertisement, they refunded my two mos. pay to make me happy and a key ring too. BTW what year is your Dad CL? Nothing loose to try.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    Rockypaul, I just had my clock changed on my 2000 E430. I was loosing about 3 minutes a month. I like everything to work perfectly on my car. I had the instrument cluster changed yesterday. The dealer can re-program your exact mileage so I don't understand why you say it's a problem. I have more of a problem with a clock not working correctly.

    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • rexconde1rexconde1 Posts: 278
    Not to worry, its someone elses problem now. We sold it for a CLK55 + $$ :). The CLK55 is a more fun to play with. Not as pretty nor exclusive as the CL. But it is easier to drive around, and faster. The CL was more "executive" but I do appreciate the shorter wheelbase of the CLK55. My pictures are here


  • As we approach our ultimate buying decision, we would like to find out from people who chose the M-class what else they considered -- especially X5, MDX and RX300 -- and what turned the tide in favor of the MB.

  • kenyeekenyee Posts: 738
    How about if you give us a list of YOUR selection criteria and priorities so we have some focus on discussing how they compare? :-)
  • ron320ron320 Posts: 9
    I took my 00 320 in for the first A service to my local MB dealer. Also asked them to fix the rear sear that was froze in the lowered position and rotate the tires. I agreed that I would pay for the rotation. The C class that was reserved for me was nowhere to be found when I dropped off my truck. Seems that the lady that had it couldn't find the time to return it. I was given a new SunFire by Pontiac as a free loner. I was impressed that I could put my 6'5" 260 l. frame in that little car. I wasn't charged for the rotation when I picked up the truck (nice touch). After about 40 miles of driving my truck I noticed that the front end was loose and was beginning to make all kind of noises. I stopped, checked the front tire and noticed two lug nuts were missing and the rest on the drivers side were finger tight. I called the dealer and after apologizing they sent a mechanic to fix the problem. I questioned the mechanic as to why he just tightened the lugs nuts (also replaced two) instead of jacking up the truck and tightening them. He said the wheels were attached to a rim so there was no need to jack up the truck. Otherwise I happy as no one was hurt and the truck runs fine. I just have this little doubt in my mind that one should jack up the truck since the nuts were so loose. Any comments?
  • biker5biker5 Posts: 199
    Nice shots of picture, it make me drool.:-)

  • thor3thor3 Posts: 120
    The vehicle you are looking at is over priced!!! The current 2001's will be selling for close to this price very soon. The 2002 model announcements are very close and official information will start the discounts going on 2001's. If MB gives dealers @$2-3K to get rid of them this incentive will be passed on to you... If so, you would be able to take the current DEALER invoice price and deduct a couple grand. This would bring a brand new 2001 nicely loaded ML320 home for @ $36K. A much better deal than going used! If you have some time consider it or at the least let your dealer know new 2002 changes to the ML will certainly depreciate the current models significantly.

    Other members on this board have already purchased NEW 2000 Models for less than a couple thousand more... with full warranty. Since you will be able to do the same soon on the 2001 models... think very carefully before doing this transaction.

    Having said all this the price you are paying is very HIGH... It should be priced around $30K and still you really need to make sure this is the way you want to go if you could get a real good deal soon on the 2001's.

    If you like the new features of the 2002 models coming and can wait you might want to consider this as well. Especially if you don't want to have your vehicle depreciate as quickly.

    Good Luck and keep us posted - Frank
  • drmhfdrmhf Posts: 29
    My dealer offered me the 3 yr 100K extended warranty for $2,000. Is that a reasonable price? He also said that if I purchase it, but never use it they will refund the purchase price to me. Also, if I sell the 320 before 7 years or 100K miles, they will pro-rate a refund to me. Is this Mercedes policy?
    I just read the sky roof by wannabe4 Apr 09, 2001 post.
    My dealer also after taking a deposit called to say a sky view top wasn't available. It took him about a week of checking other dealers to locate two of them. I had to take some extra equipment (M2 and Bose), and a different color, but I'm picking mine up next week. By the way, I paid about $375 over invoice.
  • wnielwniel Posts: 97
    I agree with the earlier post. I had a new instrument cluster installed on my 2000 E430 and the new odometer was spun up to the same mileage as the old one, so there would be no problem in reselling the car.
  • tariktarik Posts: 344
    Regarding your incident - LOSE THIS MECHANIC!!!

    First of all, tightening the lug nuts with the car on the ground doesn't allow for proper torquing, he's giving you a line! How would the rim be "pulled" all the way towards the hub???
    Secondly, you didn't mention a torque wrench at all (think aluminum wheels), did he use a simple tore iron? Bummer, this is a factory requirement!
    Last, but not least, aluminum rims are softer than the ones made of steel, therefore a loose wheel WILL with time work, mar, and damage the wheel's conical mating surface for the lug nuts.

    In other words, remove the wheel yourself, check for damage, and if noticeable, demand a replacement. And did I mention to LOSE the mechanic???

    Mad Tarik
  • thor3thor3 Posts: 120
    Your dealer is offering the standard MB extended warranty but I believe you can get 4 years as well but the mileage cap is the same at 100,000 regardless. So, if you would be over the 100,000K miles in 7 years you wouldn't need to get the 4 years (perhaps this is why they are suggesting the 3 year).

    Anyway, there are other dealers who will discount this very same warranty and you could probably get someone here on the forum to cough up the name as long as you don't abuse the privilege. Too many times people talk and write about the discount and the dealer who offers it gets pressure to change back to full price.

    If the ML is new you have one year from date of purchase (unless this has changed recently) to purchase the mentioned extended warranty. It is a good investment if you plan on keeping it for such a duration. Like you said.. it is transferable.. and can be prorated if you need refund prior to expiration.

    Bottom line, your dealer is selling you, I think, full retail. You may want to ask Drew/Ken that follow this subject more closely to tell you the best deal...

    Good Luck - Frank
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