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Mercedes-Benz M-class (ML320, ML350, ML500 and ML55) 2005 and earlier



  • shorelineshoreline Posts: 10
    It's probably too late but someone asked about price. We purchased late June. Dealers were getting $1500 back on the 320's. We negotiated from invoice and let the dealer keep $500 - so we got it for exactly $1000 under invoice (before tax and lic). Our local dealer acted like they didn't want to sell a car! So we emailed a few dealers 45 - 75 mi away and negotiated via email and came to terms over the phone and then we test drove. There was no haggling or pressure. Don't let them add anything to the invoice price (like their advertising costs of $400) - only pay for what is shown on sticker. Also, we forgot to ask them to throw in some accessories - like you might want to ask for the floor cargo net and maybe some all season mats...Good Luck!
  • biker5biker5 Posts: 199
    I was a little confused on what you said $1,000 below invoice then you said only paid what's the sticker said. AFAIK the sicker price is the MSRP and the invoice price is what's the cost of the car which is much lower than the MSRP. which one did you go by, Invoice or MSRP.,because if you paid $1,000 below invoice it was a very good deal and if you pay $1,000 below MSRP it wasn't a good deal at all. I paid $500.00 over invoice and I thought that was a good deal.IMO.
  • mtsangmtsang Posts: 70
    thanks, bob259, ron320, bargamon, cdic, tlwwso for your responses to my inquiry re: MB GPS and ride diff. between the 320 and 430 : )
  • neicey59neicey59 Posts: 47
    I didn't purchase this option; however, I am very interested in one of the Garmin products. Can someone explain to me how these work? Is it merely a CD (or a few CD's) for ML owners does this mean you load the CD's in your 6CD player, or is there information on these CD's that is downloadable to a memory unit in the truck?

    I know I may sound completely ignorant, but that's because when it comes to GPS - I really am!
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    Anybody see the August issue of Automobile magazine yet? There is an article that previews the the 2005 ML and long-wheelbase MLV (possible name) models, along with some very good pictures. I say "good pictures" because it's very hard to tell as to whether they're the real thing, or expertly doctored photographs.

    Here's what Automobile says:

    • The MLV, beside being longer than the ML, has different body work—much more "butch" in their (and my) opinion. I think it looks great, and will no longer be confused with a minivan. The styling is more angular. It reportedly will go up against the Cadillac Escalade, etc. The front lighting is much more interesting than the current model.

    The tires looked huge, but not out of proportion with the rest of the vehicle. My guess is that they appear to be something like 265/65x19. The wheels look very large, and the tires look to have a fairly normal aspect ratio. There are large wheel arches around the tires.

    The MLV will have standard 3rd row seating, and will be over 17' long.

    • The ML's styling, on the other hand, is much more evolutionary and remains more rounded. It is not as angular looking as the MLV. It still has the same minivanish profile. I'm not wild about the proposed window treatment. The is also a down-sloping character crease on the side of the vehicle that reminds me of the Rav4 somewhat.

    The wheels and tires appear to be the same as is currently used on the ML-320. There are no wheel arches like those on the MLV.

    * both models have different rear quarter window treatments and different tail lights.

    • Of the two, I much prefer the styling of the MLV.

    • The new ML/MLV will move to unit construction, and will feature improved off-road capability (still will offer a 2-speed transfer case), an improved man-u-matic, air suspension (standard on MLV) and a choice of manual and electronic differential locks.

    • The gas engine lineup follows. The was no mention of diesel versions.

    ML/MLV 270
    2.7L 4-valve (not 3 valve) V6 with 170 hp.

    ML/MLV 360
    3.6L 258 hp. This will replace the current ML 320 and 430.

    ML/MLV 500
    5.0L 326 V8

    ML/MLV 55 AMG
    5.5L 388 hp V8

    Also—and not reported here, I've heard that this next-generation ML/MLV platform may also be shared with the next G-Wagon and Grand Cherokee too.

  • tbaker17tbaker17 Posts: 1
    Anyone have any experience with the Sky View sunroof option on the ML?
  • shorelineshoreline Posts: 10
    We paid $1,000 under INVOICE. I used Edmunds Invoice price and negotiated from that. I ignored the MSRP and the TMV. I referred to the sticker only for the purpose of seeing what the suv was equipped with and figured invoice price from that. However, the dealer's invoice price differed from mine - they tried to charge us $400 for dealer advertising costs. My point to the dealer was that we weren't going to pay for anything that wasn't listed on the sticker, so he generously "ate" the ad costs. With the $1,500 incentive (available apparently only during the summer months on the old models), the dealer kept $500 and we got $1,000 off the invoice - which came out to be about $3,700 under MSRP.
  • dbonodbono Posts: 8
    How did you arm yourself with the dealer incentive information? Its not been listed on Edmunds (or other sites I've been scouting). I too am looking for that kind of good deal, in the Mid-Atlantic area.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Check this out...

    FYI, the author of this message is a MB service technician, so I would think that he knows what he's talking about.

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  • a32a32 Posts: 6
    Day 2 of owning a Cypress Green ML320 with Java interior and third row seats. Had it made to order. I must say that the entire experience was very positive. The fit and finish on the vehicle is remarkable. Thanks to the many contributors on this forum for helping me decide.

  • blackjavablackjava Posts: 9
    Anybody else having this much trouble? My '00 ML320 has 16,000 miles on it and has had to be towed to the dealership 3 times now since October because of fuel pump problems. The symptoms were the same each time --- the engine would crank but it would not turn over and run. The last time it happened it had been running absolutely perfectly the day before when I parked it in the garage, and the next morning it just wouldn't start. And now, just a few days after they fixed the fuel pump the check engine light is on (yes, the gas cap is on tight!).
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Happy 4th of July, everyone! image

    Enjoy the fireworks if you can :-)

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  • jrockwelljrockwell Posts: 1
    Like many of you, I have been a silent reader of this forum for over a year, and you all helped me to make the best decision of my life; buying a ML320 (2001). This followed a really lousy experience with a 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee (the worse decision of my life). I won't bore you with my problems with the JGC. You can read about them in the Jeep forum just in case there is anyone considering a JGC over a ML320.
    My only complaint with my ML320 is a slightly sticky accelerator pedal. At steady speed, slight pressure on the pedal seems to meet some resistance, and then it gives way. In other words, the action is not linear, but seems to want to resist in a jerky fashion.
    The dealer at first told me there was no cable since this is a "drive by wire" vehicle, but when the mechanic came back to report on his analysis, he admitted there was indeed a short cable which he lubricated. This didn't fix the problem. He also checked for computer error codes, and the obvious carpet obstructions. I'm ready to go back to request that they replace the cable or the throttle position module that the cable goes to. Has anyone else experienced this problem? I can ignore it around town, but it is very irritating on long trips.
  • djdjdjdj Posts: 111
    At the beginning of June I bought a 2000 ML320 with a Skyview roof. When I first saw it at the dealer I saw skeptical about it, particularly durability and complexity.

    I e-chatted on Yahoo with a Mercedes technician who said the only ones that he had to fix came in with a load of kids who each got a turn to open and close it each trip. Other than that kind of abuse he said they should be as good as a regular roof.

    Now that I have it, I love and can't imagine buying one without it. I've spent a number of days in a 2001 ML loaner with a regular sunroof and much prefer the skyview roof.

    First, the Skyview comes with a big air deflector so there is little buffeting in the car. With the roof wide open and the windows up, there is little air movement in the car. On a hot day you'd still need A/C upfront if you don't open the windows. I thought the sunroof gets very drafty at speed because it lacks a real deflector.
    Even when the skyview is open a little, the deflector keeps the wind out so you can enjoy fresh air with less noise than a window.

    Second, the feel is totally different, much closer to a convertible; the 'whole outdoors' feel.

    The kids love riding in the back seat and its a real eyeopening for adults. Adults who like convertibles love this roof.

    When closed, it does have more wind noise than a regular sunroof but nothing objectionable. You lose the glass roof effect but I didn't really like it when I had the loaner.

    The skyview roof makes the whole car very special. I wouldn't buy one without it and since I've read here that they will not make them starting with 2002, I guess I'll have this ML for a while.

    Either way, the ML is a great vehicle.
  • punjabipunjabi Posts: 2
    OK, MB owners tell me if I got a decent price on a 2001 ml320. I wanted a specific color, black opal, and was told the availability was low on this vehicle. Any way here's the price I got for a 2001 ml320 with m1, m7 options, heated seats, dose stereo option, sun roof and delivery charge +$250(because the dealer had to get the vehicle from a distant MB dealer) $40270 + tax. OK OK tell me how badly I got screwed?? I had to have a specific color, that was causing problems. Be gentle with the response.

    So I may have payed more than some of you better negotiators, but the wife will be happy with the vehicle( I pick up tomorrow).

    Now I want to put on the brush guard and the side steps. I want stainless steel. Any suggestions on those, em or non-oem? If non-oem which one's and where can i get best price. Also which is the best place for discount oem MB parts on the net??

    Here's a question
  • shorelineshoreline Posts: 10
    We read something here, actually, about 2000 messages ago (perhaps posted last summer???) about incentives. So, around April, I asked one of the sales guys that I got buddy buddy with. He told me to wait if I could cuz incentives were coming during summer. He said up to to $2500. When it came down to it, the incentive in late June was $1500 - maybe it was really more, but 3 other dealers stuck to the same "incentive story." Maybe it will get better b4 summer is over...but I couldn't wait to find out. One sales guy told me it's a regional thing depending on inventory. I'm in SoCal area where there seems to be a very large inventory of '01s - so this pricing scheme may not apply elsewhere. Punjabi, as long as the wife's happy, what does it matter?
  • thor8thor8 Posts: 303
    I don't mind if they install an ML platform on the Jeep Grand Cherokee, but it will really turn me off if is the other way around, or anything from the Jeep parts bin, as a matter of fact.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Not to worry...As I recall from the DaimlerChrysler merger agreements, that will never happen. MB will always be the first with the state of the art innovations/features which will trickle down or be shared with the Chrysler division. That way the Mercedes-Benz marque won't lose any of its cachet. Something that the Germans are very cautious and protective of.

    For example, the new Jeep Liberty will have a special off-road ABS algorithm when the vehicle is put into Low range. This has been on the M-class since it came out for MY1998. And what do you know, the Liberty's system is also made by Continental-Teves.

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    As most of us know, BMW is going to be offering a smaller X-3 SUV in addition to the larger X-5 models. Has anyone heard any rumors as to whether Mercedes has anything like this up their corporate sleeve?

    Does anyone think that Mercedes would develop a smaller SUV off the Jeep Liberty platform? I'm aware of what MB agreed to originally with Chrysler as to platform sharing. However, from what I've seen to date regarding the so-called merger, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if something like this were to came to pass.

  • biker5biker5 Posts: 199
    Thanks, for the explanation. You definetly got a very good deal.

    read shoreline post how he did get a very good deal,but don't feel bad if you are in love you are in love. just enjoy it.

    I had the same problem in about two monhts apart my fuel pump hose came off while driving in a highway.I know its a pain.. to take it to the dealer everytime with the same problem. The second time they replaced my fuel pump and the fuel sending unit which should have been change the first time the problem accured, now my ML run smooth like a brand new truck...(all was still under warranty)...good luck.

    I had the same feeling before, but someone from suggested to spread the tension of the small spring controling the tension of accelerator actuator. Hoe to do it? Just get a flat screw driver and pry that small spring by the middle just to widen up the spring coil, not too much. You will feel the diffirence.
  • ferraro1ferraro1 Posts: 44
    Hello All ~
    I havew been looking into buying a 1998 or maybe a 1999 ML I have heard some problems on the 1998 it being the 1st Year , but I was thinking alot of the bad problems would Be taken care of because the cars I am looking at have from 38,000 all the way up to 60,000, Could someone advise me what to look out for or what I am in store for if i do go ahead and buy a 1998 or 1999 ? My frined has a 2000 and loves it, but any info would be GREAT !!
    Thank you,
  • sydney6sydney6 Posts: 64
    to upgrade a 2000 ML320 to the "Sport" version? I don't think the Sport version was available in 2000.

    How much would it cost?
  • chris168chris168 Posts: 14
    Yes it is possible to convert a ML into a "Sport" version. I am currently in the process of changing my ML rear bumper cover to the ML55 AMG bumper and adding the AMG flares.

    The price of the parts are very high. The AMG rear bumper alone costs $575 dollars, then add the AMG/Sport tailgate piece which costs $130. The AMG flares cost $250 each for the front and $244 each for the rear. There is also a cutout in the rear AMG bumper cover so you have to add in the price of an AMG exhaust tip or two (depending on whether you want the AMG or sport rear). I am not sure about the AMG front bumper pricing yet, but another person that swapped that part out posted he spent over $2000 on that.

    Then of course comes the labor of installing all the parts. There has been some talk that the parts aren't direct bolt-on to a regular ML but its still possible to install as long as you are handy enough. I personally am not, so I got my mechanic friend involved to help me out. I will be installing my AMG rear bumper tomorrow so maybe I'll drop in a little on how it goes.

    Hope this helps,

  • cdiccdic Posts: 36
    neicey59: e-mail me and I'll tell you about the Garmin GPSs I have used. I have had several (currently have 3). I can fill you in on the MAPsource CDs for them as well.
  • noelbongnoelbong Posts: 41
    I noticed that the radiator mounting on my '00 ml is kind of loose. I can actually move the radiator back and forth, there is about 1/4 to 1/2 inch play in the 2 holes on the metal frame under the hood which the radiator mounting piece go through. Does anyone notice this in his/her ml? If you haven't, please check yours. I don't know if it warrants a trip to the dealer, though.
  • ddavis001ddavis001 Posts: 14
    Maybe someone can show me a picture of the new ML500? Hmmm... almost 60 more hp than my ML430. Tempting.

    Does anyone know the cost of the new ML line-up?
  • dbonodbono Posts: 8
    What comes with the Bose sound system upgrade? Is it just a different head unit, or does it also provide extra speakers of higher quality? I am soliciting advice as to whether I should go for this option, as I'm getting down to the short strokes of a deal. Thanks -- this board has been a great help!
  • sydney6sydney6 Posts: 64
    So that all adds up to almost $4000! Wow, I don't think it costs that much for the option if it's a new vehicle!
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    Check out the current issue of Automobile magazine for pixs of the upcoming Ml/MLV models.

    Remember—we're talking MY'05, which is a ways off, so don't get too excited just yet.

  • mtsangmtsang Posts: 70
    Is the ML500 almost 60HP more than ML430? Or, just around 30HP as I thought it is?
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