Mercedes-Benz M-class (ML320, ML350, ML500 and ML55) 2005 and earlier

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  • rexconde1rexconde1 Member Posts: 278
    They didnt give me any hassle with the lights, they were a bit shocked though.

    I asked them what happens if the bulb blows and they said that they would change them free of charge since it is under the warranty!! I dont want to test that one though.

    Drew, I was thinking about this maybe it is coverend under the capsule warranty and not the ML warranty?

    Anyway they aimed the lights free of charge. But you have to tell them that they are HIDs because otherwise they, surprisingly, may aim them like Halogens. Shoot the lamps on a wall at the dealer ship just to make sure that they dont look really off. It took me three time to get the adjustment correct, first time it was aimed for Halogen, and the second time I had to convince them that I had Xenons.

    They should aim them w/o an appointment because it was considered a safety hazard, so they took the ML in for aiming, immediatly.

    Robert

    Robert
  • bob259bob259 Member Posts: 280
    I'll keep everyone posted when I get mine. I'm going to check prices this week at Hohn in CA and see if they beat Clair's prices. When I loked at the GPS they beat them by about $150.
  • kenyeekenyee Member Posts: 738
    Danny:
    There are special brackets for the M4 brushguard and the PIAA fog lights that they and Clairparts sells.
    Can you please take pics of the mounting points? I'm wondering if your dealer had to drill holes in your bumper. I looked at buying the M4 guard's parts, but wasn't comfortable w/ the bumper holes :-P

    dennett:
    Yes, the ML500 is definite AFAIK. Rumors even from MB salesmen...
    That cliffyb is funny, isn't he? He never did say what kind of grad degree he was getting, but he sure does act bratty :-)
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    A bit off-topic, but for those of us who can't afford a C-class, what do you think of the VW Passat's safety features? I doubt if we're going to buy the second car in 2001, but of the ones that would be within our budget (around $20k-$25k, though Passats go up to and past $30k), it seems to have the most safety features. Front & rear side curtain air bags, pretensioners on all outboard seating positions (though force limiters only in the front).
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    I like the Passats, especially with the A6-ish facelift partway through 2001. You essentially get an Audi A4 for a VW price, and the Passat is larger to boot! What I don't like though, is the 2 year warranty that VW offers. That's way too short considering that most other companies are 3 and 4 years now. Another complaint also, is that the Passat's when coupled with the auto (even the V6) doesn't feel particularly quick though. You may have noticed that Edmunds has a used '99 Passat 1.8T in their long term test fleet, so keep an eye on the reports.

    For me though, AWD is just about a necessity so I'd probably choose the 4-motion model (which makes the Passat pricey), or go for a Subaru. BTW, did you know that VW offers a Jetta (known as the Bora there) 4-motion in Europe? As for Volvos, they are fairly expensive and as of late, haven't been particularly reliable. To add to this, the out of warranty service/repair costs are high.

    Just my 2 cents :-)
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    I like the Passat's styling a lot (A6-ish, as you pointed out). Like you, I think the 2-year basic warranty is a joke, though the 10/100k powertrain warranty is quite interesting (is it the same in Canada). Guess an extended warranty may be a must-have.

    The Passat can get really pricey; throw in a V6 and/or 4Motion, go to the higher trims, etc. The Subaru Legacy's and Outbacks are just a lot cheaper (you can buy a loaded Outback wagon 4-banger for $26k). Does great in crash test scores, but no side curtains ... yet.

    Guess that'd be another reason to wait; the Japanese makes don't adopt the latest safety features as quickly as their German counterparts, but once it becomes a competitive issue, they usually do it. (Look how the 3.2TL you were looking at once didn't get side airbags and pretensioners until its second model year.)
  • kenyeekenyee Member Posts: 738
    William:
    The A4 and Passat share the same platform if I remember right.
    You might want to wait for the 2002 model this fall. The A4 will get a total redesign, so the Passat might pick up the new body (and new features) as well. The new A4 design is more A6/TT looking. Some like it. Some don't. It will be safer than the current A4..better CAD tools, etc.

    A friend a year ago was looking at your price range. Started wanting the Passat. I went w/ him to a car show and we sat back and forth. The VWs have cheaper interiors. The A4 just screamed "solid" a lot more than the Passat. He's the one I mentioned who got the 1.8T Quattro. Unfortunately, his current car died and he needed a replacement, so he couldn't find one w/ the $500 head bag option or he would have gotten it. The curtain bags also look like they have excellent coverage. The current A4 has the best crash rating for the Compact class (I think).
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    Well, after test driving almost every SUV out there (except for the MDX), I felt that I had really found the (very expensive) SUV for me in the BMW X5. (I've also been a BMW owner for years so this was not a stretch for me). However, after reading the X5 boards for a few weeks I'm just about scared off by not only the long lists of problems, but many tales of really lousy dealer service.

    Am I correct in thinking that reliability of the ML has greatly improved over the years? I'm simply not seeing the kind of complaints here that I see on the X5 boards. Also, is M-B dealer service better than BMW overall? I'm starting to get that feeling.

    So I'm now looking at buying a used '99 or '00 ML430. (And I've forgotton the prod. date on the '99's after which crash safety was improved).
    Any advice? One thing I'd like to know about is the stereos on the ML--is the Bose definitely worth having? Are people happy with the stereos? Lots of complaining about both the base & premium stereos on the X5 & it's a big issue for me.

    Thanks in advance for any info!
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    The quality of dealer service varies not just between two brands, but at each individual dealership. When I was shopping around, I wasn't encouraged by comments on MB service in my area; whereas it's great in some others. E.g. taking three attempts to fix a problem, scratching the vehicle, etc.

    So even _if_ MB service was generally better than BMW service, it wouldn't make a difference if your local BMW dealer had better service than your local MB dealer.

    Therefore, if this is a priority for you, I would suggest asking on the MB and BMW discussion boards for input on the dealership service department quality for the dealerships near you. There's enough readership (especially on the MB boards) that you're bound to get input from some people in your neck of the woods. Also, remember that you're asking about service department quality, not sales.
  • cheapdannycheapdanny Member Posts: 12
    Kenyee,

    Holes were drilled through the plastic bumper in order for the brush guard to be mounted. A rubber washer/rubber gasket was placed to cover the opening. A very good job to mesh the guard to the bumper and conceal the holes. Pictures have been taken and will be processed this coming week. As soon as I scan them I will email them to you.

    Danny d:)
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    Does your brushguard look like Robert's here? In Canada, this brushguard alone was a CDN$1425 factory installed option. Needless to say, not many customers bit. At this price (which included the skidplate), it was $15 more expensive than the external spare tire carrier!

    image

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    BTW, I think you wrote to me asking about the grill. I got the entire ML55 grill from my MB Canada dealership. Airpressusa sells something similarly priced (in fact cheaper) here.


    Drew
    Host of Vans and Aftermarket & Accessories message boards
  • sydney6sydney6 Member Posts: 64
    Just a word of advice... we looked at Hoehn but they wouldn't deal at all (October '99) on price. We went to MB of Laguna Niguel (ask for Elliot Ness (trust me...). They were very willing to deal and including our trade-in ('95 BMW325i) we got about $1800 off sticker.
  • sydney6sydney6 Member Posts: 64
    Oh, I forgot to add that we do use Hoehn for all our service and they have been fantastic! I stongly recommend their service.
  • beetlebug62beetlebug62 Member Posts: 72
    <<#707 of 712  ML430 vs. X5: reliability & dealer service--advice please! by woodyww  Dec 31, 2000 (02:07 pm)
    One thing I'd like to know about is the stereos on the ML--is the Bose definitely worth having? Are people happy with the stereos? Lots of complaining about both the base & premium stereos on the X5 & it's a big issue for me.>>

    ...for years, then you don't really need our advice on BMW service. As wmquan points out, you really need to go on a dealer by dealer comparison. Both my BMW and MB dealerships stink when it comes to service, if that helps!

    Having said all that, I think the BMW premium stereo with DSP is far superior to the ML Bose system. That's, IMHO.
  • beetlebug62beetlebug62 Member Posts: 72
    <<700 of 713  Bob by rexconde1  Dec 31, 2000 (09:58 am)

    They didnt give me any hassle with the lights, they were a bit shocked though.

    I asked them what happens if the bulb blows and they said that they would change them free of charge since it is under the warranty!! I dont want to test that one though. >>

    ...xenons, right? If that's the case, is there a bulb to blow? I thought the xenons were arc-discharge and that one of the advantages were that they usually outlasted the life of the vehicle, so offering a lifetime warranty might not be such a costly move by MB.
  • beetlebug62beetlebug62 Member Posts: 72
    <<drew_ - 01:52am Dec 31, 2000 PST (#691 of 714)
    On another unrelated note, the president of MB Canada, Ernest Lieb, said in a TV interview today that MB Canada already has 40 orders for the upcoming MB SLR and the 28 orders for the MB Maybach. Both of these cars will be priced in the $500K to $700K range. Wow!>>

    ...to less than 50 US cents?!? I've heard that the Maybach will be roughly $230,000 USD, and that Mercedes plans on annual production of 800+, starting in Fall 2002. Don't know about the Vision SLR, as that seems a bit further into the future. Remember the Maybach showcar debuted in 97, and production will come 5 years later, while the Vision SLR showcar debuted last year, so you do the math.

    Who knows if the Vision SLR will go from showcar to production?!? That was one busy concept car.
  • thor3thor3 Member Posts: 120
    Steve (woodyww)

    We have a 1999 ML430 with Bose and we're very pleased... it is all dependant on what you are used to... Could you leave the system out and buy components that sound as good or better?

    You need to drive and listen to the Bose system in an ML with a CD or tape of your choice... one that you are used to listening to on a stereo system you like hearing it from... then compare and see what you think.

    Remember, if you are buying a previously owned ML430 then you will not be "custom ordering" it to be picky on what options it has. Also, you might pay a bit more for a used ML430 with Bose but not necessarily. Shopping for used is not the same as new... some sellers will just want a certain dollar figure for their vehicle regardless of the options. It might be hard to find an ML430 without it... You can always remove it and install a different system down the road and sell the Bose pieces on ebay.

    What time frame are you looking to make said purchase and what area do you live. If you want to hear our Bose system and you live in the Northern VA area let me know and we'll link up so you can test it for yourself.

    Happy New Year to All!! Frank
  • beetlebug62beetlebug62 Member Posts: 72
    <<#683 of 717  Drew by kenyee  Dec 30, 2000 (02:01 pm)

    Yep, I mean the leather and vinyl. I thought water made leather harden when it dried?>>

    ...towel off the cows after a rainstorm! And, afterwards, the Lexol treatment!

    Did you know there is a product out there called Udderly Soft? It's a lotion to knead on udders, and available at WalMart. I kid you not! While picking up some Mobil1 5-qt jugs, I saw a display in the checkout line!
  • kenyeekenyee Member Posts: 738
    Danny:
    Thanks. I'll post them when I get them :-)
    It does sound like is the official M4 brush guard and it sounds like they improved the hole as well. Do you have a breakdown of parts and labor? I was quoted $175 for a local body shop install which seemed like a lot :-P

    beetlebug:
    Hope you're wrong about those prices. I think the SLR looks way cool. Maybe my taste is going as my wife claims ;-)

    woodyww:
    Problems always happen on first year cars. If you can hold out for the next year X5, it should be better. You're also used to your BMW dealer; if they provide BMW loaners, it might not be that bad (most MB dealers won't give you MB loaners).
    As for the ML, they improved the interior for the 00 model year. It depends whether you want it to feel more luxurious or utilitarian (depends on what you use it for). Some folks on the M-Class mailing list like the old model better for the 3 way rear seats and the vinyl/plastic pillar moldings which are much easier to clean than the soft cloth the new ones have which rip more easily.
    For dealers, you might want to stop by a service department and do a quick survey of the folks there. Or ask here or on the M-Class mailing list.
    You should probably drive the MDX to be sure. I thought it was more nimble than the X5 or ML, but it wasn't as "solid" feeling. It seems to do very well in snow from the comments on the MDX forum.
    Just take your time and make sure you make the right decision so you don't have any expensive regrets :-)
  • beetlebug62beetlebug62 Member Posts: 72
    <<drew_ - 11:16am Dec 30, 2000 PST (#673 of 718)
    All of MB's brake pads (in fact, this applies to many German cars, I think) wear quickly because they're soft. This allows for better heat dissipation (superior performance for braking from high speeds) since the pads sacrifice themselves instead of the rotors. The side effect, as you probably noticed, is that the wheels get coated with brake dust pretty quickly. Part of this is also because the German TUV requires a larger percentage of graphite in the pads.>>

    If you want better heat dissipation, it'd be simpler to just use larger diameter or thicker rotors. Pads are very poor for heat dissipation due to their small size. Rotors are designed for heat dissipation. The goal for braking is to transfer rotational energy of the wheels into thermal energy in the rotors. I hardly think that those smart german engineers are sacrificing brake pads for heat dissipation, when a much better heat dissipator is present.
  • scott902scott902 Member Posts: 46
    Drew thanks for the answer on ESP while coasting.

    My nanny had a car accident on Friday, drives a 2000 altima, she is ok, airbag went off, but bruised and shaken. She is looking for a larger auto, but ML is way to expensive for her. I suggest a Honda CRV, any other suggestions in the 20K or less range.

    My first winter snow with ML in NY Long Island, had to put in low gear, since some streets were plowed to early and ML went thru ridges of snow over 6 inches. The ML slid, a bit sideways due to the large snow ridges. I think larger thread tires would have handled better.

    I mostly feared others on the road, riding like jerks, some still in a big rush...hope they do not end up in the morgue or cause someone else to.

    The MB mudflaps held up, I feared the inverted design they would bend, but I think are made that way to actually scoop the snow and form a barrier of some sort.

    Went a bit fast on a turn and the ESP worked, well my son asked what the noise was. Glad it worked.

    Happy New Year
  • bob259bob259 Member Posts: 280
    Does any one know if Bosch is making any light packages for MB

    Drew/Robert, The reason I ask is my brother said in his Porsche conversion to the projectors there is a plug housing that connects the wiring to the housing that had a MB star on it and appeared to also be made for MB and the Porsche. All he could remember without looking at it again was two lines with a 'c' through them on the housing with the MB star. If this is possibly the same connector I may also be able to get it from Bosch or look for it when I go to Germany this year.
  • bob259bob259 Member Posts: 280
    Drew: I think it is #25 on the explosion picture I scanned and sent to you. But, I will verify when I see him tomorrow.
  • jrfoxtxjrfoxtx Member Posts: 4
    Audio is subjective. That said, my opinion of the Bose (2 months out) is grim. I brought my audition CDs when I test drove the 2000 MLs, so I knew the sound would be muddled. While the bass is less flatulent than the '99 Acura TL and '98 Audi A4, the mid-range and treble are inferior. Compared to the Harman/Kardon of the 2000 323i, it sounds like someone is sitting in the footwell singing through a pillow in the ML. (Now that I think about, even the voice of Heidi the Navigator is annoyingly muddled compared to the voice of the Alpine nav system in the '98 TL.)

    Classical female voice (Kiri Te Kanawa, "Vier Letzte Lieder") was the worst CD I tried. I didn't enjoy listening to the Leontyne Price Christmas album at all. Track 2 of Sarah McLachlan's "Surfacing" ('I Love You') misses most of the lowest note of the bass riff

    The CD player itself is no joy (and may be the source of the bass problem noted above). Listen to the attack of the first note of the Stravinsky violin concerto (Perlman/Teldec) -- really grates.

    Chemical Brothers was OK, KMFDM "Nihil" Track 2 ('Juke Joint Jezebel') was better than I expected, Prodigy "The Fat of the Land" (tracks 1 and 8, 'Smack My B**** Up' and 'Firestarter') are OK. Mozart Horn concerti sounded OK but muddled (Houston Symphony recording). Gloria Cheng-Cochran "Piano Music of John Adams and Terry Riley" was OK (but not very bright).

    I figure this is one of the places MB cut corners to meet this price point. When I want to really listen to music, I listen at home (Bryston integrated, Denon CD, Linn AV5140 speakers, Nordost cables).

    - Jim Fox
  • kenyeekenyee Member Posts: 738
    jrfoxtx:
    You might want to drop $300 on a pair of MBQuarts/ADS/BA speakers for the front. Folks on the mailing list think it makes a huge difference. Just about every year, people bring up the horrid B*se subject and we beat it to death. :-P
    Others are very happy w/ the Bose/changer combo. It's definitely one of those "you gotta try it before you get it" things...
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    To everyone on the East Coast! Glad to see that the M-class topic is at the top of the Hot 10 topics list for the end of 2000.


    Drew
    Host of Vans and Aftermarket & Accessories message boards
  • rexconde1rexconde1 Member Posts: 278
    Yes there is a bulb for the Xenon lights. The bulb actully encases the xenon arc. The bulbs are actually supposed to outlive the life of the car becaise there is no filament to burn.

    I believe that Drew had a Xenon bulb die on him and MB replaced it free of charge. The bulbs them selves are pricey, but since they are so durable dealerships dont see Xenon replacements often. Drews bulb blowout must have been a fluke. However they had to replace both of them because of the difference in temperature if only one is changed (I think that the bulb changes temp with age of bulb, but if they are burned at the same time they change at the same time). One woule be at a higher/lower temperature than the other.

    Here is a picture of the bulb:
    image

    Robert
  • rexconde1rexconde1 Member Posts: 278
    I believe that MB uses Bosch Parts for their lights. AFAIK BMW uses all three major lamps Hella, Bosch, and Z-something (Forgot the acronym) in different series cars.

    IT is possible that MB uses some bosch wiring parts. BUt I think that since the Headlamps themselves are hella then they have to be Hella Wirings. I doubt that they would use Bosch parts to connect a Hella Part, espically major competitors. Maybe they use the Bosch in the S class.

    I believe that in the Earlier S-Class they used Philips bulbs hence a much bluer (higher temp) color. Sice I dont have my M with me right now I think that they use OSRAM bulbs in the capsules (I'll confirm) MB uses a combination of technologies from Hella and Bosch so they probably use it different brands for different cars according to $ and capability. I noticed that Hella only has a couple retrofits available for each BMW and MB.

    Drew/Bob:
    Isnt it amazing that PUMA is out of these connectors?!?! If no one knows about these conversion, then who is using them??? I doubt that I started a major rush of people to buy the part. So someone MUST be using them and they are specifically identified as a M-Class Conversion Jumper. Maybe they are coming out with their own package? Could MB be using them? There is a mysterious disappearence of these adapters. When I last contacted PUMA, they said that they order directly from the Georgia dist. plant. So I think that it may be someone cutting off the supply.

    Robert
  • rexconde1rexconde1 Member Posts: 278
    COMMAND NAVIGATION CD
    Region 1 California/Nevada
    Model Year 2000 CLK, E, CL and S-Class
    P/N : Q 6 46 0053
    Bosch Release 7/00

    THIS DOES NOT WORK ON THE ML
    Confirm the P/N with your local dealer

    rexconde@exconde.com
  • rexconde1rexconde1 Member Posts: 278
    It is New Years !! Happy New Years To Everyone in Chicago, I"m coming home tomorrow!

    Robert
  • rexconde1rexconde1 Member Posts: 278
    Right now I'm in Las Vegas so I have 1hr and 48 Min to go till new years over here.

    Ahh the joys of different time zones. !!

    Robert
  • citykiddcitykidd Member Posts: 4
    Hi I'm new to the group and need some opinions on the optional Power Sky view Top.

    I have recently decided to purchase a 2001 ML320 with M1, 3rd row and Sports package (family car with zing!)but I'm contemplating whether it's worth splurging on the Power Sky view Sunroof. My dealer tells me that it's a feature with "a lot of problems" and may not be worth the extra $2K.

    Does anyone have any experience with the Sky view and if so, would you recommend adding this additional feature? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. TX!
  • dt77dt77 Member Posts: 232
    I thought HID's don't have a filament ? So how would they 'blow' ? Aren't they supposed to last forever. Apparently, the only things that would fail are the electronics involved in powering them ?

    dt77
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    To all West Coasters! Wishing everyone a prosperous and happy 2001!


    Drew
    Host of Vans and Aftermarket & Accessories message boards
  • rexconde1rexconde1 Member Posts: 278
    No Its not Binary,
    Its the First Post of the New Year
  • rexconde1rexconde1 Member Posts: 278
    I believe that if the xenon does blow, I think that it would be considered faulty since it doesnt last its full potential lifetime.

    True, it doesnt have a filament, but there are still a number of wires inside the bulb, the two that create the arc. It could also break inside of itself. I believe that fault of the bulb could be caused by a larger problem Ballast or ignitor, loss of gas in the bulb, cracked bulb, broken wire. There are still a number of things that can go wrong.

    Drew's blown bulb was actually the only one HID replacement that I have heard of. I would probably say his was a mfg defect. They are supposed to last forever, at least for the life of the car.

    Robert
  • cheapdannycheapdanny Member Posts: 12
    Thanks Drew for the pics and info on the Grille. Yes, It looks exactly like Robert's.

    Kenyee, I am looking at my bill, and surprisingly, it doesn't have a breakdown on the cost/labor. The total cost was 620. before taxes. If I recall correctly, my Service Rep told me 1.5 hours for the labor.

    The chrome side steps cost 595. installed (still trying to get use to the uneven angle every time I step on them)

    Funny thing is that the 2001 MB Accessories Booklet has no prices whatsoever as compared to the 2000 Accessories Booklet.

    Danny d:)
  • rexconde1rexconde1 Member Posts: 278
    Could you send me the picture s of the connectors on the porsche. I would be interested in seeing the connetors etc. maybe it would be something that would work on the ML HID motor.

    rexconde@exconde.com

    ...on another note I'm waiting for my airplane to take off, gotta go back to ChiTowm. Now I have to wear a coat, but get to play with the ML again.
  • carbon_00carbon_00 Member Posts: 17
    Hi ,

    The squeaking dash on my new '00 ML430 has increased, dramatically. The area where the passenger side "A" pillar meets the dash is teh culprit, there is a tremendous amount of play between the two. Has anyone fixed this themselves or had MB Service do it for them.

    I'm not sure how to post images directly so here is a link to the photos of the area and the gaps.

    http://www.hardcastletrading.com/ml430/
  • john320john320 Member Posts: 3
    I have a 2000 ML320. Yes mine too squeeks exactly as you describe it and it's very annoying. I'm not exactly sure what to do or what my options are. The noise started at around 2000 miles and it comes and goes. Any thoughts on how to fix this?
    Thanks,
    John
  • john320john320 Member Posts: 3
    Anyone have the phone number or www address of Hohn parts in CA?
    Thanks
    John
  • tracy_lebtracy_leb Member Posts: 39
    Happy New Year to all!

    Re squeaky dash, after taking my '00 ML in something like 5 or 6 times, for this problem, I asked them to remove the glove box and show me how to re-install it, so that I could track down the problem my self. I told them that I understood that they had limited time to troubleshoot this type of problem, and that I'd be happy to do it myself, just to insure it was solved. As it worked out, prior to returning it to me, they went over everything in that part of the ml including re-tightening the main bolts that secure the dash to the frame, putting felt tape on the contact areas between the glove box and it's mounting points, around wire harnesses, etc. And, it has been without further incident. I re-installed the glovebox the next day and roughly 10 days (and about 650 miles) later, no recurrence of squeaks. I'd like to add that this has been the first period in nearly 8 months where it wasn't a problem.

    The moral of the story is to ask them to give you the tools to check it your self and that just might motivate them to do a real thorough job and also give you the opportunity to further review it your self. BTW the glovebox on the '00 comes out with 4 screws and 2 snap in rivets. It is easy to R&R!

    Best of luck

    …Tracy
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Tracy, congratulations on finally de-squeaking your glovebox. Out of curiousity, since I may eventually consider an MB, was this Phil Smart's or Bellevue Barrier's service department?
  • carbon_00carbon_00 Member Posts: 17
    Hi Tracy,

    Did you need any special tools for the snap rivets or the screws? Anything I should be warned about before I try to take it out for a look?

    thanks!
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    Thanks to everyone who posted follow-ups to my query! One thing I neglected to mention is that I'm not that familiar with BMW dealer service, as I bought my M6 used (& out of warranty); so only took it to a BMW dealer once (with very mixed results).

    Re: the Bose stereo in the ML: the only stereo I've really been impressed with is the Nak. system in the LX470 (& there is another very expensive possibility in a used LX.....with all of it's great points, but also trade-off).

    Frank: thanks for offering to let me check out the Bose in your ML! I live in Mass., but if I find myself in Virginia, will take you up on your offer.

    Jim Fox: Thanks for the comments on the Bose. Sounds like you have an excellent home system! I'm also an audio nut, have ARC VT100MkII amp, VTL pre-amp, B&W 802's, & on & on. I originally started out looking for a car stereo that doesn't totally suck; not necessarily a great one. Also the expectations get greater as I get even up to or way past the $30,000 range for a vehicle. I just can't believe some of the crappy stereos in some of these $40K+ vehicles.........

    Well, it's tough to be both a car nut & an audio nut.......(duh!)....I'm just gonna get out there & drive the MDX, drive the ML again, etc. etc.

    Thanks again! Steve
  • carbon_00carbon_00 Member Posts: 17
    Is it possible to upgrade the 00's ML430's software to the new ME 2.8 engine management system for better fuel economy and torque bands?

    Thanks
  • gman20gman20 Member Posts: 2
    My '98 ML320 has had a chronic problem when refueling: the nozzle clicks off before the tank is full, and although the fuel gauge shows a full tank there is still room for 3-4 more gallons. The result is that I'm always filling the tank. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I live in NJ where self-service is not permitted; the attendants hear the click and all they want to do at that point is finish the sale and collect. I don't have the opportunity to experiment with different possible filling methods. I've complained to the dealer and they did recently claim to have replaced the tank but it seems exactly the same to me. I don't know if this a peculiarity of my truck, or is typical of the breed. I'd appreciate some suggestions on this. Thanks.
  • john320john320 Member Posts: 3
    I really enjoy the nav system. I had it installed about a week ago. I've pretty much figured out everything except for one thing. What is the circle with the driving arrow? Obviously it's the vehicle but what is the circle and what are the two black notches? Another thing, the GPS is sometimes off by a 20-30 feet, which is fine and it does not bother me, but is there any way to calibrate it?
    I love it so far.
    Thanks
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    You're going to love this...my ML has been squeak and rattle free for months now (after the glovebox and leather rub noises were taken care of). However today while driving on really uneven surfaces, I experienced (for the first time in 13+ months) that same passenger's side A-pillar muted creaking noise that I think you have. I can certainly see how it's annoying.

    When I got home, I took out a few rags and the silicon spray (bought from Canuck Tire). As I was feeling around the base of the A-pillar, I must have pressed that portion of the dash a little too firmly (which wasn't very much at all) and I heard a click noise. I understand what you mean by more flexing now around that area. I think I managed to push the clip connecting the A-pillar and dash back together though. In any case, I covered the dash with rags and I liberally sprayed the silicon around the base of the A-pillar and between the dash and the windshield. I also sprayed some of the stuff in the leaf guard/air intake area outside the vehicle. Will let you know if this fix works (I think you've tried it, right?) for me. I'll mention it to the service advisor at Service A (at the end of this month or early next month probably) anyway.

    WRT your question, MB has never provided software upgrades for the engine management so I guess the answer would be no. The torque curves are still the same, AFAIK, only the emissions have been tweaked.


    Drew
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  • sshowittsshowitt Member Posts: 137
    I too live in Ma. My dealer, Viti, is in tiverton RI, but they have numerous customers throughout MA. They have the finest service. Mo Vaghn is one of their customers. They will pick up you vehicle for service. Call Viti, they have an 800#, don't have it off-hand, ask for Marsha, she will steer you right. I just bought my second ML, traded my 98 ML320 on a new 00ML430, love the vehicle.
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