2013 Tesla Model S Long-Term Road Test

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edited September 2014 in Tesla

image2013 Tesla Model S Long-Term Road Test

The cost of electricity varies widely across the USA, and the 2013 Tesla Model S makes more sense on the Oregon coast than I ever imagined.

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  • nicadnicad Member Posts: 3
    Everything about this car sounds great. ….The two big questions are still unanswered though. How long will the battery last, what will it cost to replace?
    The minor quality control and design issues are really quite minimal when you consider this is an industrial undertaking built from scratch.
  • dunning15dunning15 Member Posts: 0
    There's a reason your last name is Edmunds. You write coherently, your stories are full of useful, pertinent information, they're longer than a short paragraph, pictures are included to give the reader a feel for the locale, etc.

    Your staff should all be required to read each article you write and follow suit as best they can.
  • dunning15dunning15 Member Posts: 0
    Nicad - Tesla warranties the battery for 8 years and unlimited miles if you purchase the 85kW car. Now you may ask what degradation of the battery is considered normal and I've read a lot of different answers to that question. Seems that somewhere I saw something "official" about the cutoff being 70% - meaning that if your battery lost more than 70% of its original charging capacity over the eight years then it would be replaced. With 265 miles rated that means that you should be guaranteed a 185 mile charging capacity on your 8-year old Tesla Model S which is still fine for 95% of most people's daily driving. Also note that the battery is also warrantied against any fire so if you run over a huge rock on the 101 Freeway and your car catches fire you will also be reimbursed. Lastly, 5 years of battery information recorded on the Tesla Roadster have shown that the batteries are actually holding up far better than even the Tesla Engineering Staff had believed they would and the Roadster has a first-generation inferior battery technology when compared to the Model S. I have 8000 miles on my car in 8 months and have lost one mile of charge which I attribute to a rounding error.
  • dunning15dunning15 Member Posts: 0
    Should say "lost more than 30%" instead of "lost more than 70%".
  • evodadevodad Member Posts: 135
    dunning, even if that 1 mile in 8 mo and 8k miles isn't a rounding error, at that rate you'd only lose 15 miles in 10yrs or 120k miles, certainly not bad at all even if you were to double, triple or quadruple that rate
  • duck87duck87 Member Posts: 649
    True, in some places it's very cheap to refuel this car. What's not cheap is the fact that it's a 6 figure car, one that eats tires and motor bearings.
  • fordson1fordson1 Unconfirmed Posts: 1,512
    So Dan, extrapolating from your figures, and with the stipulation that your local terrain is not as challenging as that around your dad's place, I'm thinking that charging at home, used as a DD, this car would be getting you say 25 mpgc, as opposed to a competitive luxury sedan getting maybe 21 mpgc - ? So to sum up, in local use, the range and charge time limitations would not come into play, but it really would not save you that much money as opposed to an ICE vehicle, and in long-trip use, the SC network definitely would save you a lot of money, but there the range, charge time and flexibility limitations DO come into play, as opposed to an ICE vehicle. That about right?
  • mfennellmfennell Member Posts: 91
    What is mpgc? Using Dan's numbers, in NJ (0.18/kwh) the Model S would cost 1/3 in electricity compared to fuel for my Jag XJR, not that any person ever bought a Model S to "save money", it's simply a nice bonus. South Cal Edison has EV off peak charging rates of 0.11/kwh.
  • mfennellmfennell Member Posts: 91
    Sorry my reading comprehension sucks, mpgc is mpgCOST, which is how I calculated it above. Maybe Dan does not have the option of an EV rate plan - seems like a no-brainer to me.
  • kirkhilles_kirkhilles_ Member Posts: 151
    This is why I don't like Edmunds switching out the cars a lot - chances are we'll never really know the real mileage of the Tesla after 100k. I'd be interested in some hard numbers for higher mileage Teslas.
  • dunning15dunning15 Member Posts: 0
    Kirk - if you are seriously interested you can head over to a site called Tesla Motor Club and they have forums. There's a mileage thread in there amongst the Model S threads and I believe the highest mileage Model S is around 60,000 miles right now. The guy has done a great job of detailing his issues and their resolution along with long-term mileage milestone updates. Once Edmunds sells their Model S you can make a monthly sojurn over to that page to see how its holding up.
  • actualsizeactualsize Member Posts: 451
    My electricity rates at home under Edison are tiered -- the more I use the more I pay. If I owned a Tesla (or a Leaf, even) I'd be buried in tier IV at 32 cents per kWh all year. I'm close even today in winter without an EV at home. Option II is SCE's time-of-use program, in which I get lower rates at night. But there is a catch, and in my case it wipes out all of the savings: the on-peak summer rate goes to 50 or 55 cents (I forget exactly.) I live inland and use air conditioning, so that's a tough pill to swallow. SCE did an analysis for me and we both came to the conclusion that time-of-use would be a wash. You have to live where the ocean breeze mitigates the summer heat to avoid that beartrap. I don't, so for me there is no free lunch. Option III gets me the cheapest EV rate of something like 12 cents or thereabouts, but to do that I need to have a second meter installed that's dedicated to the EV and nothing else. This would cost thousands to install, between parts, electrician costs, trenching to the back corner of the house where my meter resides, trenching from there to the garage to serve the charge equipment, permits, etc. I can't see recouping that. This house was built in 1966 and the electrical service isn't robust enough. They didn't foresee EVs. The power and the driveway are on opposite sides of the house. Again, money. So, for me, I need to justify any EV I might buy on the basis of 34 cents per kilowatt hour being my fuel cost, straight up. The thing about the Tesla is the long trips on the supercharger are zero cents, so those miles cost nothing, at least.

    Twitter: @Edmunds_Test

  • dunning15dunning15 Member Posts: 0
    Very big thumbs-up on that one, ActualSize. SCE needs to get their act together and start making an EV attractive. I hear that PG&E has put together a nice option for our counterparts up in Northern California. Something about a modified Time Of Use option where everything is status quo other than extremely low rates ($0.10 Kw) for super off peak which is where most of us charge our cars anyway. The Tiering kills us because once you're into Tier 3 and Tier 4 it doesn't matter when you charge - 9am on Monday morning is as bad as 2am on Saturday morning. Perhaps this progressive, environmentally-concerned state of ours can come up with something for all of us.
  • drcomputerdrcomputer Member Posts: 82
    This is why Solar, EV's and Time of Use metering go hand in hand. I have a 6.6kw solar system and two EV's and pay less than $20/month for electricity (when I used to pay over $250/month before solar).
  • dunning15dunning15 Member Posts: 0
    It's a slippery slope, Doc. $250 a month is $3000 a year in electricity costs. Now you're paying $240 so let's say $2750 a year is what you save. If those solar panels were $20K to install then your payback is 7.5 years. Of course investing that 20K over 7.5 years at even a paltry 5% would yield $27,000 so you need to figure another 7K you could have made on that money. And what are those solar panels worth after 8 years? Do they need to be replaced after 10 years? What is the maintenance on them? Do you even own them or is it one of those lease-back deals? I've looked at it nine ways to Sunday and in my case it always made sense to not do it. You have two EVs and may drive tons of miles whereas I have just the Model S and don't put many miles on it at all. If you have details please share them as I love seeing examples of where it works out well.
  • actualsizeactualsize Member Posts: 451
    Assuming I could afford a 6.6 kWh solar system, it might be cheaper to just pay 32 cents per kWh instead and be done with it. And then there's the fact that I don't expect to be in my current house for more than another five years. I can't move the panels. I'd had to re-do the charge station at the new place. The prospect of moving is the drawback for me and EVs (and solar).

    Twitter: @Edmunds_Test

  • actualsizeactualsize Member Posts: 451
    Yes, my mpgc stands for cost. The mpge on window stickers refers to energy content. It's an equivalency based on a comparison of the number of BTUs in a gallon of gas and the number of BTUs in a kWh of electricity. The working assumption from there is that CO2 emissions track with BTUs.

    But relative cost of gasoline and electricity has zero relationship with their unit BTU content. Gasoline is a commodity. Electricity prices are all over the map. The make mpge useless as a cost metric, which to my mind makes it utterly useless and unworthy of precious window sticker and advertising real estate because I think consumers use MPG as a shorthand for fuel cost. MPGe utterly fails in that role and is very misleading.

    Twitter: @Edmunds_Test

  • diigiidiigii Member Posts: 156
    I admit I like following your Model S blogs ever since you got it. But on this post, I don't care a single bit about the car or if I have a give it up. Your dad's place is more stunning. Some people have all the luck (and, should I say, wealth) to afford such a picturesque view.
  • mfennellmfennell Member Posts: 91
    Thanks for the explanation Dan. The physical issues of the EV plan didn't occur to me.
  • fordson1fordson1 Unconfirmed Posts: 1,512
    I think what floors me here is that in a lot of the U.S., especially the Tesla's native range (CA and the bicoastal areas in general), once you count all the supply, delivery, higher-use tiers, cost of home quick-charging equipment and especially installation or maybe upgrading your residential electric service etc. this car is not a lot cheaper to run or even more expensive than a comparable ICE, even with all of the noted efficiency edge it enjoys. Of course that is in daily use, when you're charging it at home, not at free chargers or the SC network.
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