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  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Those are some big 4 bangers!

    Bob: that big rig cracked me up! 860 lb-ft and that kind of payload sounds good, but I could hardly believe my alloy rims are wider!

    -juice
  • francophilefrancophile Member Posts: 667
    ...have balance shafts - unless they're horizontally opposed :-)

    Regards,
    WDB
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Saw the Nissan XTrail in the Paris Show preview, and it looks small. The XTerra is kind of small inside, so I wonder how the XTrail interior will look.

    It may be a bit overboard in the styling department, though - the fender flares have flares, and the roof rack looks silly.

    The GMC Envoy looks a lot bigger (270hp standard, too), and they'll offer a 3rd row seat in a stretched model. Explorer is also a lot bigger, but I doubt any of these will handle very well. We'll have to see.

    -juice
  • bg18947bg18947 Member Posts: 184
    After Subaru's successful introduction of the H-6 in 2001, the company will be topping it off by introducing a floatation option so that one can drive their Outback on the water. It will be fitted with special wheels that will act like propellers projecting the amphibious craft. A new computer will be fitted to utilize the AWD capabilities to allow the vehicle to make tight turns. For instance, when making a left turn in water, it will shutdown the left wheels and allow the right wheels to spin the craft around much faster. The car will also feature an interior vacuum pressurization system to tighten all door seals preventing water from coming in. An anchor and fishing rod holders will be optional.
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Cool. Would those rod holders be PVC, or brushed Aluminum?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Amphicars are back!

    What about outside air bags for flotation, and tires studded with tiny fins? AWD would be in full effect, of course.

    Don't joke about the fishing rod holders, though. I really would like one for surf fishing with my Forester for next year at the OBX!

    -juice
  • texsubarutexsubaru Member Posts: 242
    Whoa, that "Super CrewZer" is one unattractive vehicle! Rather like some sort of dwarf, stunted Peterbilt; makes the Aztek look downright sleek!
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Thanks for the link. I think we, espite my upcoming job situation, are going to start shopping for Kirsten, and aim to buy sometime in the winter or early spring. On the list:

    Forester! - may not be able to afford it.

    Impreza OBS!- Q thinks it looks dumpy. good deals likely as new impreza arrives, though.

    H6 LL Bean!- NOT! last name ain't Gates.

    PT Cruiser- I know I know, but it really is perfect, well other than the Forester. too bad reliability is going to be so terrible. Q loves the looks and functionality, bu in reality it is probably a non-contender.

    Focus Wagon- 5-speed soon to be available. functional and attractive. affordable. wheels may fall off.

    Golf, I guess- not on our radar screens at this point, but surely worth a look.

    Passat Wagon- Oh, she likes it, she does. Price, though.....

    Mini Cooper- cute as hell. attractive inside and out. marginally practical. Wil not arrive for another year and a half, will probably be $20K or more, and suffer the one-two reliability punch of German electronics and Brazilian driveline. And it's a new model, so it will have bugs anyway.

    NOW IF ONLY THERE WAS GONNA BE A 2002 IMPREZA L 2.5 WAGON. BUT NOOOOOOOO.......... :)
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    I like many of the ones listed, especially the styling of the PT Cruiser and Focus Wagon, crash results (PT) and unknown reliability (Focus) issues aside. The current model Impreza OBS styling is fair (no offense Bob & Ramon); the lack of usable cargo space is disappointing. OTOH it's a sporty looking hatchback. Have you heard of any reliability reports (anecdotal or otherwise) on the Focus?

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    H-6 internals. Subaru coverage. The European engine is rated at 209HP vs. 212HP for the NA market.

    From the 2000 Paris Motor Show on CarPoint. Also see Edmunds home page for coverage (though no Sube photos yet).

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    Wow, they weren't kidding when they said that it was compact! I wonder why our North American H6 wagons won't be getting the steering wheel with the Momo badge in the middle. It looks much nicer than the plain old "Subaru" wording, IMHO. Are they afraid that the Momo imprint will end up on someone's forehead if the airbag deploys? Possible copyright infringement? ;-) Perhaps Patti could dig up some info. for us.

    Drew/aling
    Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Monochromatic color scheme! On a Outback! Hmmm... They must have seen our Forester S Premium.

    Also, what is that little switch to the left of the gear shift?

    Bob
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    Hmm, what is that little switch? I wonder if it could be for power folding mirrors?

    FWIW, the Japanese Outback (called the Lancaster) also has a monocromatic paint job.

    Drew/aling
    Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    You mentioned the Nissan X-trail (which debut at the '00 Paris Auto show recently) a little while ago. Here are two large and clear pictures. I think I like it, though the front end looks a little strange (particularly the headlamps positioned high above the top of the grill).

    http://freshalloy.com/cars/nissan/images/xtrail.a.jpg

    http://freshalloy.com/cars/nissan/images/xtrail.b.jpg
  • pattim3pattim3 Member Posts: 533
    Drew - I'll see if anyone will let up any info. on the Momo!
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    ...gimme a compressor, quick! I gotta make my OB monochrome! You want the H6 L.L. Bea to be considered in the same class as an A4 or V70? Bring THAT paint scheme over. Too kewl. Thanks for the link, Mike!!

    I wonder if my bumbers are paintable? Surely the sides are just a question of removing that "slate" gray adhesive....which, BTW has curled in one corner anyway!
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    ..I believe that is Juice's dream machine 69ed in there with the rally car in the last photo!
  • amishraamishra Member Posts: 367
    The plastic sides on the OB are removable*
    So if you wanted a funny looking monochrome OB you could do it! No go on the bumpers thoiugh...

    (*In fact, I got a bit worried when I realized it's possible for moisture to be trapped between the plastic and the metal beneath. Likely though, it's rust proof because the painted surface can never get scratched.)


    -- ash
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Mike: thanks for sharing that review. Can't believe I missed it!

    Also, gotta love the H6 - it's a sweet design. Very tight, compact. I like the monochrome paint scheme, too. Loosh - paint yours STi pink! ;)

    Good eye, that does look like a rallied-up Forester. Probably the ones used to pre-run the Kenya rally?

    Drew: love the Momo humor. To me, "momo" means Elmo, from Sesame Street. That's how Tati says it.

    The X-Trail's details bother me. The flares on the flares. The lights in front and back stick out. The roof rack looks silly.

    Loosh: that's quite a list. Make sure you drive them all. There's nothing like first-hand experience. The Forester caught me by surprise.

    If you get the PT, you know I'll never stop teasing you about owning an unsafe Neon-based minivan built in Mexico, right? ;) Price keeps going up, too, they're $21k well equipped.

    The Focus looks like a good choice, but I haven't seen any reliability scores yet (worth a look). Golf 1.8T would be interesting if you worked on the suspension (hello Eibach!).

    Mini Cooper will get a 1.6l engine made in Brazil, and it doesn't take a Brazilian to know our QC leves aren't yet up to par. If you get the OBS, order the twin spoilers from the JDM model.

    Ash - that steel is also double-galvanized. Almost all panels are.

    -juice
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Sadly, my '99 OB merely has some sort of adhesive stuff along the bottom. Only the '00 on has plastic paneling.

    Juice-

    I doubt the PT is going to win this. Dealers are still gouging, we both have QC worries, safety is now an issue with this car. Cool car, but maybe not to own. It is now in the Edmunds LT fleet. So is the Focus, with mixed QC results.

    Honestly, I am not sure we have the budget for a Forester. I am hoping that the OBS drives well enough to overcome Q's misgivings about it's looks. FWIW she hates those wings! :)
  • francophilefrancophile Member Posts: 667
    Wow - an Outback that *I* would buy. That's a first! It looks excellent in monochrome. Now if only they'd get rid of the silly wood on the steering wheel... although I did think of something good to say about the wood; maybe it keeps people from putting their hands there, and keeps them at 10 and 2. And the engine - no water jacket between the cylinder walls - how'd they do that?

    Cheers,
    WDB
  • kate5000kate5000 Member Posts: 1,271
    Thanks Mike, good link!

    I agree with the reviewer that Forester feels really powerful. To the date, there was not a single moment when I wish it had more power.

    I took it off-roading a few times, and was actually very pleased with low center of gravity, when getting in somewhat tippy situations. I guess something more tall and tippy would be much scarier to drive.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I told my dealer I'd buy an OB if he painted it like a GT... I hate 2 tone.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Just read the full review - I'm going to print it out for a co-worker who's shopping right now.

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Read it here.

    Nothing particularly juicy, but does mention that the official North American debut with be in January at the Detroit Auto Show.

    -Colin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Hey - I wish I had "only" 254 bhp!

    Steering wheel mounted buttons for the automanual sounds like something a lot of folks here have been asking for.

    The bigger size hopefully won't mean a big weight gain, like the 2000 Legacy had (200+ lbs). Tidy size and weight are what make the Impreza.

    I've heard VW will offer 6 speed manuals, 5 speed Tiptronics, and HIDs soon. Subaru ought to keep up.

    -juice
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    Bah if you never get to use that 6th gear....what for?!
    ANyhow Hello all!! I've been away from this forum for sometime.... so what's the deal? Any interesting news to share?
    I just got back from my dealership last saturday and we were chit chatting....I ask when will the new WRX be in the showrooms. One of the guys said that right after it debuts at teh Arizona car show?! Which is sometime April and it will be shipped out to showrooms by the end of the month. Whoohoo. And I asked how much. They laughed and told me that they have no idea. And then they asked me how much should it be and I replied....not more than 38K CDN. One of the sales guy said "SOLD!!". He seemed surprised that I put such a high price on it and he was totally willing to sell it for that price. So I figure it would be less than CDN38K which i am not sure how much in USD. That would be sweet. That means I can afford it too. Looks like my stepdad's 330Ci will get some fierce competition! :D
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    6th would be good for 75+ mph cruising. At about 80 the Forester gets loud. (imagine the grin on my face, though)

    The 325xi sport wagon is actually a closer competitor. Almost $32k US, though, and that doesn't get you a moonroof or the much need sports package.

    They only offer AWD on the sedan (325xi and 330xi) and wagon (325xi only). Hmm, the new Impreza will be the same way...coincidence?

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Anyone else check out the coverage? What do you think so far? Here's my take on the concepts:

    Z9: Looks silly, like a Chrysler Hemi-C with a cheap oversized wing.

    Audi Steppenwolf: they spoiled the gorgeous TT. Why?

    Porsche Carrera GT: unoriginal. Looks like a Shelby Series 1 with an F360 face.

    S60 PC: looks good. Volvo gets graded on a curve due to low expectations for style, but this looks even better than the S80.

    Daewoo Kalos: surprisingly cute for a tall wagon. Most are scary looking. 105hp? Never mind. At least Daewoo has great JD Power ratings (4th overall)

    Hyundai Neos: blatant copy of the Prowler. And why aim for light weight and then come out with gullwind doors? Looks good enough but the HCD roadster looked better (remember they promised a $15k 150hp roadster?) ended up becoming the Tiburon.

    -juice
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    nah he got a 330Ci. Doing to be delivered this December. He made a bet with me if the new WRX is 38k and below he'll get one for me. hahahaha....
    I'm quite confident that the new WRX will have both the 330Ci and 330Xi beat.... stock for stock.
    Remember the new WRX tho is heavier than the older WRX is still under 3000lbs. Both of the bimmers comes in at 3500-ish lbs.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, the Bimmer has 225 horses, I believe. The new M3 is supposed to get 340+, so I guess you can hunt all but the new M.

    The 170hp 323i automatic I drove was not impressive at all. It needs a 5 speed manual, more power, or both.

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    New M3 has 333, it is the cover story in the November 2000 Automobile that I found the Impreza turbo story in. It is heavier, 3450lb. ('99 was 3175.)

    The car was driven in Europe and the article was a European staffer. He subjectively claimed it to be superlative in every way over the e36 m3, but with the added weight and added pricetag (starts at $46k now) I don't see how this conclusion is arrived at.

    There was no instrumented testing either, just subjective driving and reporting of BMW's claimed performance (something like 0-62 in 4.6s IIRC).

    -Colin
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    Uhm....I CAR mag reported that the 343hp M3 (europe flavour) reach 60mph in 5.2ticks....tell me how can a car with 10hp less does it much faster?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Gearing, maybe? Or just variations in clutch abuse, pavement, temperature, and driver.

    Many new models are gaining too much weight.

    -juice
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    it's due to structural rigidity, NVH control and luxuries...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I hear you, but it'd be nice if they could offset those gains by using plastics or aluminum in places noone would notice.

    -juice
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    or ceramics. Although I gess Ceramics and Ti make for expensive weigt reduction.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    How 'bout a ceramic tile interior, so you can hose it off after the kids make a mess? ;)

    -juice
  • bg18947bg18947 Member Posts: 184
    Yeah, that's what I want. 2002 Subaru Outback/Country Squire Edition. Only kidding. They were nice once back in the early 70s.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Remember the Forester Woody concept?

    If you do, please forget it.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    looks to be Subaru's retro Chrysler K-Car wagon concept. God, please bury it.

    Bob
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    I love that Forester Woody! It's so....err.... Marge Simpsons like. =)
    I can totally picture Juice in this Woody Forester terrorizing the streets and local backroads! hehehe...
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    I'm with Ramon. I think Juice in a Forester Woody is a match made in heaven. Of course he would have every mod available on it (including a turbo).

    I can just picture him grinning ear-to-ear as he drags away from a stop light in his Woody... leaving a teenager driven sports car in his dust!

    -Frank P.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Really not my style. I prefer monochromatic colors, with blacked out trim. As little chrome/wood as possible. That's why I like the new Premiums!

    I'd take a teak skid plate if they made one! ;)

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    This is from the Daily Insider:

    >>TOYOTA LOWERS PRICE FOR REDESIGNED RAV4
    Toyota has lowered the price on its redesigned 2001 RAV4 sport-utility, reducing it by an average of $678, or 3.7 percent, the company said. The suggested price ranges from $16,215 for the two-wheel-drive, five-speed model to $18,665 for the four- wheel-drive automatic.<<


    Hopefully the new '03 Forester will do likewise.

    Bob
  • yellowbikedonyellowbikedon Member Posts: 228
    There's a good column on the WRX Impreza (page 66)of the new issue of Road & Track. In part, the article says "The good news is that the U.S. will receive a turbocharged WRX AWD model powered by a free-revving and torquey 2.0 liter flat-four that pumps out 250 bhp". The article goes on to say " Complementing the car's outstanding driving dynamics is an interior that has received careful attention from Subaru's designers and engineers. It now matches the quality, look and feel of European compact cars, including the VW Golf, which was Subaru's benchmark. That's no mean feat, and major players such as Toyota and Honda are also finding it hard to do".

    WOW!
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Since we all know subaru hasn't announced the HP for the US impreza. Once again the media skews things. I wish they would focus on the facts, instead of the conjecture...

    -mike
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    But there's no facts yet.... in anycase, if it has 220hp, I am very happy. I would be off loading my OBS sooner than I thought. Dang wish I can keep both. I love my OBS! It's so fun and puppy like.
    Today I parked next to a new Golf and (I might be biased) but there's no comparo, my OBS is way more spunky and kewler than that Golf. Heck....
    OK enuf rant.
    Paisan : also there's no facts saying that we will get a detuned version either.
  • gedwardsgedwards Member Posts: 18
    Thanks for the clarification. Because the HP and most of the specs for that matter have not been released, any information that is printed by Car mags and newspaper is just conjecture. They may have actually received the information (but I doubt it), but even then are subject to an agreement that they will not print it until the info is released.

    Speculation is always a lot of fun, however....
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