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  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Okay juice, I'm getting the 18mm sway bar so now it's your turn to get the STi shifter. :)

    Anyone else care to join Project Forester 2.5 RS?
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    ..we don't want to confuse a snorkus with Shirley Manson.
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    uh, that would be MkII, not 2.0, computer-boy! :)
  • drgordodrgordo Member Posts: 6
    Due to back and hip problems, my wife has found the passenger seat (yeah she lets me drive it once in a while) in her 2K OB to be too low for optimum comfort. However, the drivers power seat has enough vertical adjustment to suit her pretty well and the ability to change seat bottom angle also helps. Has anyone ever seen or tried installing a power seat on the passenger side? I realize the controls might be tough to reach but I'm more concerned about power connections. She has threatened to ride in the back seat as that seems to fit her better as well, but the dog (yellow lab) resents the intrusion into her domain.

    I know there are after market seats available but we would like to keep the heated aspect intact as well as the interior trim. Suggestions ?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Let her drive all the time! :o)

    Nah, that would be inhumane...

    Colin - you think that would be a tough install? Does it come with new bushings?

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Well, I stopped being chicken $h!# and ordered the SPT shifter. What the heck, right? I'm sure I could sell it or send it back if it doesn't fit.

    So it's a deal, Ken. If you like the rear sway bar, that'll be next.

    My mouth is salivating like Pavlov's dogs at the thought of an expanded SPT catalog.

    Forced induction, please!

    Colin: any more details? Where'd you hear about it?

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I don't know what all is involved with the install, sorry. I have installed several MT shifters before on non-Subarus and it's not that bad.

    I heard about it because it's fairly widely known that the '98RS had a really sloppy shifter and it was markedly improved in '99. I don't see any reason why your Forester would be any different.

    btw, I got a good chuckle out of the Forester 2.5RS bit. ;) Nothing wrong with a good handling small SUV!

    -Colin
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    Crazzy idea of improved throttle response.... err can one spray WD40 on the throttle device by the throttle body? hehehe...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I can't believe the Forester RS comment slipped by me. Good one.

    Colin: you mean the BEST handling small SUV!

    ramon: where, where?

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    I was wondering why you didn't say anything. I probably posted it after you've logged off for the day.
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Indeed, twas quite witty, Ken. I didn't see it until this morning at the gym (exercising on a recumbent bike w/a PC & low-res (640x480, me thinks) flat-panel screen connected to Da Net). Data entry is so painful on the touch-screen keyboard that I rarely post there. Anyway, I was POMALOL (pedaling on my [non-permissible content removed], laughing out loud). BTW LOL isn't a good thing in a public area like a gym. People look at you like you're crazy. Sure, I am, but so what?

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    Ken, you're going to have to purchase the Impreza's 2.5RS badges and stickers :-)

    Juice, is your wife jealous yet that your Forester is getting all of these goodies (especially recently), and that her Mazda hasn't received any thing? ;-0

    Mike, LOL!

    Drew
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Maybe Subaru could incorporate a pedal so you could temporarily boost power when needed. ;)

    I'm good for a horse or two...

    Back to the Forester 2.5RS, though. What makes an RS? How about:

    Strut tower brace
    18mm rear anti-roll bar
    Cold air intake
    UR Pulley
    16" alloys, 60 series tires
    Short shifter kit with bushings
    Uprated gas shocks

    OK, a Minnan supercharger would be nice, as would new springs, but both would sacrifice the everyday livability of the Foreser.

    What about brake upgrades? Single stage booster? Braided lines? Or are the rear discs enough by themselves?

    I'd love to find a rear disc retrofit kit. What a project...

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Drew: my CFO doesn't know about everything. She just sees me on the creeper all the time.

    She's not jealous because we end up taking the Forester everywhere, and I almost always drive anyway.

    I wonder if she'll notice the shifter. I bet a cold one she will. Any takers?

    -juice
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Juice, is your wife jealous yet that your Forester is getting all of these goodies (especially recently), and that her Mazda hasn't received any thing? ;-0

    CHA! As if!

    LOL!

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • nypdaunypdau Member Posts: 38
    Anyone have an opinion on K&N vs. Amsoil (sp) air filters? Will an installation affect my new Foresters learning curve? Am I asking the right questions? (Colin:)?)

    James
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That's a heated debate, James. The K&N folks claim better air flow than Amsoil or paper filter, while Amsoil claims the K&N allows too much dirty air through, and that its airflow is superior.

    Funny thing is, neither criticizes the OE paper filters as harshly! Cracks me up.

    Ken: don't get that plastic cover just yet - it doesn't fit. Oddly, it's very slightly bigger than the hole in the Forester. Could be, since the whole fender is shaped very differently than the Impreza's.

    So I'll contact Darlene and try to find out the new part number. The Phase II Foresters have that plug, right?

    I was bummed. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

    How's the rear sway bar going? Did you get it yet?

    I'm still waiting for the SPT shifter. Next weekend I'm heading to the OBX, so I may not get a chance to put it in until later.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    James,

    The K&N vs. Amsoil debate is a pretty common one. If you go on any search engine, you'll get quite a few hits on this topic. For starters, check out the Impreza i-club<<A HREF="http://www.impreza-rs.com">http://www.impreza-rs.com>.

    Both filters will probably give you better airflow than your stock paper filter and most importantly, they're reusable. Just my opinion based solely on other opinions is that while it doesn't offer as high an airflow, Amsoil filters do a better job at filtering due to their 2-stage set up.

    Installation will probably not affect your Forester's performance notably. I've yet to see hard evidence (other than what manufacturers claim) that it helps our type of vehicles.

    As for the learning, don't worry. Your ECU is constantly averaging out data so if you make any changes and do nothing else, it will eventually take those changes into account. If you want to speed up the learning process, all you need to do is simply erase it's memory so that it will account for the changes immediately.


    juice,

    D-Oh! Too late. It's in transit with my sway bar as we speak. Oh well, it was only like $4 anyway.

    Actually, I don't think there is a cap specifically for the Forester. I checked my friend's MY00 and the hole was not covered. Actually, if you think about it, there really is no reason why they would need to cover it since the latest intake completely bypasses the fender anyway.

    Is there anyway to "trim" the piece to fit? I read somewhere on a Japanese site that even Impreza owners needed to cut away part of the cap in order to make it fit.


    Ken
  • tlimatlima Member Posts: 124
    Has anyone upgraded their '01 Forester audio with aftermarket components?

    My question is with the speakers. Crutchfield lists speakers for only 2000 Foresters not 2001. Are speaker sizes the same in 2001 Foresters??

    Thanks,

    -Tony
  • nypdaunypdau Member Posts: 38
    Juice- Thanks for the advice on the air filters, did you see my question about tinting in Meet the Members? I suppose I should have posed it in Mods.

    Tony-I was going to post a similar question. The sound quality is not what I expected from my week old Forester. I had even ordered the upgraded system for it and it stll sounds cheap. I think the head itself will probably suffice if I install better speakers. Did you find out anything? I appreciate good sound but am clueless on components! I figure I can leave the tweeters and the subwoofer if the door speakers are good.

    I discovered the only other sub-standard system on the Forester IMHO is the horn. Juice, I know you replaced yours, and now I know why! I had just got into the Soob with a cup of coffee in hand when a huge Buick slid past my door at about 1" clearance, then banked even closer as the driver made an attempt at parallel parking in front of me. I hit the horn (for the first time ever) and the pitiful whine that came out of the front of my Forester was not worthy. I don't think she heard it at all but by this time I had my Soob fired up, and was backing away from the menace. Off to Autobarn on my day off!
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    Check out the horns here: http://catalog.com/susq/hella/misc.htm#horn

    I would recommend the Hella compact trumpet twin horn kit (500hz and 400hz) or the Hella Supertone horn kit (500hz and 300hz). Both will blow the person in front of you away :-) If you're really ambitious, try the Hella airhorn kit (cheaper than both of the former mentioned kits).

    Drew
  • tlimatlima Member Posts: 124
    I took a shot and orderd EZ-Fit stuff from Crutchfield. If it doesn't fit easily, I'll send it back if the modifications required are too much. My chosen components include a Kenwood CD-Receiver, Kenwood front-door and Polk rear-door speakers.

    Using www.subaru.net, I checked to see if there were any audio (mostly speaker) differences between the '00 and '01 Foresters. None were specified, so I decided to make the Crutchfield order based on a '00 model.

    I also called Crutchfield, but they still do not have any fitment info on '01 Foresters (even though it was released last March!). So I took a shot.

    I'll let you know if it fits and how it sounds. Crutchfield shipped it today (a holiday!), so I should be getting it by Wednesday.

    -Tony
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Hmm, I didn't think about trimming it. I thought it'd be a custom fit, though. I'll try that, though it seemed to be a good 1/2 inch or so too big.

    Tony: I'm sure the speakers are the same, otherwise Subaru would have bragged about the upgrade.

    James: I'm still catching up, so I haven't seen your post yet. I'll get to it.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    New SPT items, uncovered thanks to Colin's and Darlene's handy work:

    4 pot brake calipers: $104.35. They retail for $145. 4 pistons, guys! That's usually reserved for super cars!

    18mm rear sway bar: $83.40.

    20mm rear sway bar: $82.57.

    The fatter bar is cheaper, which is odd. You may end up with oversteer, though, what do you guys think?

    I've always argued that upgrading the brakes and chassis should come before major engine mods. Now it's nice to see SPT offers something in those areas.

    Keep 'em coming. I'd like to see a turbo, an intercooler, and stronger clutches.

    -juice
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    4 pot brakes are nice. The ML430 and ML55 have them as well as larger rotors, but surprisingly, stopping distances are only marginally shorter (about 5 feet) than my ML320's lowly single piston, and slightly smaller front brakes.

    WRT the antiroll bar, I think if you're comfortable with the limits of your vehicle (and you'll probably have to toss the car around, simulating an emergency, to find the limits again), the larger 20mm bar will be the way to go; oversteer is easier to manage if you know how to. For less experienced drivers though, I'd stay away from it and stick to safe (but boring) understeer.

    Drew
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    juice,

    There's quite a lot of debate about 18mm vs. 20mm sway bars on the i-club. My take home point was that if you have a stock suspension, stay with 18mm. You'll find your vehicle gets tail-happy in poor weather with 20mm. Also, the Forester comes standard with a 13mm rear bar vs. 15mm for the Impreza. I think a 7mm jump is way big, IMHO.

    The other option is to go with a Whiteline adjustable bar that lets you set it to 18, 20 and 21mm.

    Ken
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    Just installed the hood deflector and tweeter kit for our '00 OB. (both purchased from QSubaru of course - another satisfied customer!)

    The hood deflector goes on with no drilling. There's holes already in the underside of the hood for the two screws to install. Slide the deflector on, adjust position, and tighten screws. 'Bumpons' (those little rubber knob like buttons) were already placed on the hood deflector. You place a small piece of clear tape (it's provided) on the hood where the bumpon meets.

    The tweeter kit was extremely easy. Gently pry off black plastic triangular piece on the upper corner of the door. Speaker harness is tucked in the door itself - just pull it out and plug into the tweeter. Then you push the tweeter into position in the door. That's it. It fits nice and snug and looks great. Though I'm no pro, I could hear the little difference they make. But, as they say, YMMV.

    Will post back with some experiences with the hood shield as they happen.

    Sorry for the long post.
    -Brian
  • jresjres Member Posts: 69
    Crew,

    Are the 4 piston calipers only for the impresa-forester ? Do the forrester/impresa share brake hardware with the legacy outback platform?

    Also while on the topic of brakes, what does anyone think about the possibility of swapping out for the new larger discs mentioned in the review of the H6 outbacks?
  • kate5000kate5000 Member Posts: 1,271
    My Forester S+ was ordered with tweeters installed. However, I find treble sound kind of funky. How can I easily check if tweeters are really there? Also, how to check/change whether air filters are installed (not the engine kind, but those which are optional)?

    Thanks!

    --Kate
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    The 4 piston calipers require a new hub (or hub adapter) possibly new rotors... the bare calipers alone might be $104 but I bet there's a bit more to it. Still, that sounds like a nice upgrade for a low price.

    Drew: assuming the caliper has the power to lock the wheel, upgrading its size and the pad area does not slow the vehicle faster --on the first try. It increases resistance to pad fade, as the braking surface is larger and the force spread more evenly. The second, third and tenth stops are definitely better with bigger brakes.

    To increase braking performance on the first stop, you can:
    -make the car lighter
    -get stickier and / or larger (usually wider) tires

    Brakes alone don't stop the car.

    jres: you could probably upgrade to the newer brakes. The danger about upgrading brakes is that a given master cylinder and booster might be inadequate for a larger brake system, as they displace more fluid. If the H6 models have a bigger master cylinder and booster it would be *very* wise to upgrade to that too.

    -Colin
  • tincup47tincup47 Member Posts: 1,508
    could upset the brake balance, too much rear bias will make the car prone to swapping ends under braking. Rather than re-engineering the vehicle, the stickier/wider tires will be a much better alternative.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Kate,

    I believe you can simply "pop off" the covers for the tweeters. Another way to check is simply turn down the bass all the way, turn up the treble all the way and put your ear near the tweeter covers.

    As for the air filter, I believe it is accessible right under the glove compartment. Your owner's manual should show you how to replace the filter.

    Ken
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    tincup: I don't consider altering brake bias to be re-engineering the vehicle, but since most of us have 4 channel ABS bias is out of our control anyway.

    -Colin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Drew: the improvement for the bigger ML's may be small, but they're also heavier. So the brakes help more than it seems. Probably less fade, as Colin mentions, but that likely only matters on a track.

    Tail happy with a 20mm bar? Where do I sign?!

    Kidding. Hmm, how can a sway bar adjust from 18 to 21mm, isn't that the thickness of the bar? I guess they adjust to equal the effect of a bar that thick?

    Brian: so the tweeter enclosure just pops out? What did you use to pry it out? How much force? Did anything scratch or bend? Curious minds want to know...

    Kate: try what Brian did, i.e. pop out the housing.

    For the air filtration, look under the passenger side dash. You should see a pair of screws holding a bracket up on the HVAC unit (it's a black box). Behind those are the air filter. If you just see black plastic, it's missing.

    jres: I think the Legacy's brakes are bigger, so the calipers probably differ. Yours are 10.7" discs, the new ones are now 11.4", if that helps.

    -juice
  • tincup47tincup47 Member Posts: 1,508
    I agree if you have a brake bias adjuster, but upsetting it by changing the size of the rear brakes is re-engineering it.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Juice, an adjustable sway bar works by altering the endlink mount location. Making it shorter increases the bars effective stiffness, and longer decreases it.

    The whiteline 18-22mm adjustable rear bar is actually 20mm and the has three holes for the endlink connectors. The middle is in exactly the same position as the FHI 20mm bar. The other two holes give approximately the roll stiffness of an 18mm or 22mm bar. Technically speaking it's just a 20mm adjustable bar. Whiteline also makes a 22mm adjustable bar, and they recommend it be used with a 22mm front bar.

    You want to use the smallest bar that achieves the roll stiffness you desire, because a sway bar takes away traction from the outside tire and gives it to the inside-- exactly what you don't want during cornering.

    -Colin
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    All I did was gently pry the black plastic triangle piece off of the door. I used a flat head screw driver at the corner facing the door hinges. The old plastic piece itself is secured to the door via 3 plastic pegs - they fit into rubber holes in the door. The new piece with the tweeter also has three pegs - but it's the tweeter that secures to the door and then the new plastic triangle cover that secures to the tweeter.

    As far as the wiring goes, after prying the old plastic triangle off, the male speaker plug was neatly tucked into the door itself, just above the real door trim. I again used a flat head screw driver to gently pull it out. It has about 3 inches of wire to work with.

    You should be able to hear them working if you place your ear near them. And to me, it now appears that music is coming from the front of the vehicle, rather than the floor.

    No trim scratches, breaks, or bends. This is definitely a do-it-yourself kind of modification.

    -Brian
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    Well, the ML430s/ML55s (which do have to larger brakes, and 4 pot front calipers) are heavier than the 320s; however, they do have slightly wider tires, 20mm or 30mm respectively. Yes, the larger rotor size should increase its resistance to fade.

    Juice, I wonder if there are any plans for cross drilled and or slotted rotors ;-) FWIW, Porsches have these rotors too. BTW, Porsches are not the only ones with 4 pot brakes. The MB S-class and CL-class have 4 piston caliper front Brembo brakes with vented and cross drilled rotors, as well as 2 piston caliper vented rear Brembo brakes. Impressive looking and performing hardwear, no doubt, but I guess you get what you pay for!!

    Drew
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    BTW Juice, not to rub it in or anything, but I made a mistake in my last post about the gas prices here. The prices down a little this morning (from 79.5 cents/litre to 75.5 cents). Premium at Costco and Canadian Superstore was 78.0 cents/litre; plus at Canadian Superstore, you get 3 cents on litre you spend on gas. For example, I bought 40+ litres of regular gas for my minivan this evening and got a coupon (redeemable in the store on purchases) for almost $1.30. Not a bad deal!
  • texsubarutexsubaru Member Posts: 242
    Hope y'all forgive the cross-posting (already posted this in a more general topic area), but obviously a mods-sorta question:
    To revisit a topic I'm still agonizing over after months, anyone out there who has a brush guard/pushbar who wants to offer an opinion on their utility (or lack thereof)? I'm fond of the looks of Subaru's own brush guard, but haven't been able to find much evidence for it actually providing much actual protection. I'm also interested in the Manik & WAAG wraparound grill guards (I think of them as "Range Rover"-type guards since that's the first vehicle I saw with that style), and it looks like they would provide some useful protection for my Forester, but I'm still unsure how much -- especially given that they're notably more expensive than Subaru's own. Finally, I wonder about the potential downsides of brush guards in general (cleaning hassles? more likely to accidentally tap things with that extra metal hanging out front? what would happen in a collision? etc.).
    So I'd be interested in hearing from anyone with ownership experience with these things.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    texsubaru,

    I personally don't have the brushgaurd on my Forester, but I am positive it only serves cosmetic purposes. A good friend of mine has it on his Forester and it's basically just a big piece of plastic that attaches to the bottom of your bumper. It does look good, but if anything, it would probably cause more damage in the event of a fender bender.

    I've never heard him complain about it getting in the way of cleaning, however.

    Ken
  • kate5000kate5000 Member Posts: 1,271
    For reasons that Ken and others pointed out: just a cosmetic thing, with no real protection. In CA, you also have to put a front license plate on it, and then it does not look as cool.
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    They are pretty much cosmetic. One thing to keep in mind with bigger guards is the implications on the air bag sensors. You would not want one that would interfer with the signal from the sensor if you ever "encountered" something on the road.
  • goosegoggoosegog Member Posts: 206



    Yes indeed! Our 88 Mercury Tracer got "tapped" by a Ford pickup with a huge chromed guard on it. Despite this being literally just a tap, it sliced through the plastic cover on our bumper which cost $800 to replace on his insurance.

    Brian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    One more thing to watch for - the bigger ones can weigh a LOT. The Range Rover-style ones that protect the headlights would add a lot of weight very far forward, where you really don't want it.

    Stick to the OE one or a smaller 'roo bar, at least.

    Cross drilled brakes...yummy! Makes sense for the GT turbo and the WRX, at least.

    I've seen really lame fake ones for ricers in SCC, how lame is that?

    Brian: thanks for the details, it's good to know!

    Well, the plastic cover for the hole in the fender did not fit, even after clipping it just about everywhere. It's just too tall AND too wide for the Forester (it's meant for the Impreza, but it was worth a shot).

    Darlene's searching for a similar part for the Forester, we'll see.

    My SPT short shift kit should arrive tomorrow, but I won't have time to put it in, since I'm heading to the OBX. I really hope to be able to hit the beaches with the 'ru. We'll see if the wider tires and extra clearance helps.

    -juice
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    Ugh, I've seen the fake ones too and they're so stoopid. Anyone with half a brain can tell that they're fake (i.e. no caliper and stuck to the wheel!).

    Drew
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Not only that, but if you think about it they block wind and could actually REDUCE the amount of cooling you get.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    What? No SPT mufflers on close-out?

    ;)

    -juice
  • qsubaruqsubaru Member Posts: 37
    That's not really a cheap price when suggested retail for the cruise control is $69.95
    Map light suggested retail is $$7.69
    etc, etc.

    Darlene
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