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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Beware the hidden charges, too. It's an extra $17 for shipping the SPT shift kit.

    -juice
  • hendo1hendo1 Member Posts: 3
    Hey Tony...had the same problem trying to find the right speakers for an 01 Forester from Crutchfield, goodness...only 01 info they had was for Fords of all things! So...did they fit? Waiting to hear...and no, (read your profile)brewing beer is one of the noblest undertakings a guy can have (waiting for my latest batch of Toad Spit Stout to finish!).
  • tlimatlima Member Posts: 124
    Just received the order today. Installed them about 2 hours ago in about 1 hour. Fit was flawless. I used Crutchfield's online fitment guide and specified 2000 Forester.

    Only speakers available for the rear is the Polk 501a. There are a bunch of options for the fronts, I chose the Kenwood 166s (6.5").

    Installation for rear is simple. Crutchfield supplied connectors to go from the factory connector to the speaker. Just plug it in, add a little electrical tape and it's done. The fronts require soldering the factory connector to the new speakers...not a big deal. HINTS: For the rears, no need to remove the black plastic housing. Just remove the 4 screws holding the stock speakers and gently pry the speaker from the housing, since they are glued in. For the fronts, I did'nt bother trying to remove the factory connector, I just desoldered the stock speaker and soldered on the new ones...only 3 screws on the front.

    Sound quality is excellent even with the stock (base) head unit. Hopefully, I'll have time to install the new Kenwood HU this weekend.

    I've been slacking on the brew-making...spending too much of my spare time modifying the Soob. :)
    But really, I have a hankering for a lightly-hopped Scottish Ale with tons of brown sugar. Hmmmm

    -Tony
  • dsuichdsuich Member Posts: 1
    Has anyone here had any experience with a 2" suspension lift on a Subaru Forester? Does it make for a noticeably rougher ride? Can an alignment bring the tires back to their correct vertical positions?

    Any assistance you can provide is greatly appreciated.

    suich@juno.com
  • amishraamishra Member Posts: 367
    Most of you know I'm having problems with my OB -- some of you have gone as far to suggest my OB is a lemon. Well... I know you meant no harm, but I'd like to set the record straight a bit.

    My OB has been flawless except for this recurring fuel-injector problem. I am starting to suspect that problem is likely due to gas quality in Canada. Moreover, and I hope this does not cause alarm - mine isn't the only 5 speed OB that has had fuel injectors fail - there's been several (in Canada at least). Subaru Canada has told me that they are hoping that a redesign of the part will come through, as they are simply just replacing the failing ones with the same design.

    Seeing that I still cannot part with this vehicle (because yes, juice, I can't find anything that gives me AWD in that price) I'm growing reattached to it again... (Sorry folks, I'm sticking around!)

    -- ash

    (ps. please don't call my OB a lemon - you're hurting her feelings!)
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    I'm still trying to contact the person I know at SOC. Thanks for hangin' in there. I am not aware of any similar situations in the U. S., so I'm trying to find out why they are talking about redesigned fuel injectors.

    Don't give up! If I can't find you some help, I'll owe you at least a case of lemonade!
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    That is correct Ash, Canada's crude oil is very heavy and very high in sulfur. Our refinery in Pinebend, MN makes a killing buying inexpensive, low quality Canadian crude and then refining it into all sorts of stuff including asphalt and(surprisingly) very low sulfur fuel.

    Sorry for the advertisement, but my point is that I'll ask one of our petroleum traders if they know anything about who might sell "better" gas in Ontario. In the meantime, do you frequent a particular brand of gas station?

    -Colin
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Ash, Glad to hear your spirits are up. Interesting that Canada's gas quality is less than desirable. I've read similar things about Australian gas (inconsistent octane IIRC). And you bet we're happy you're sticking around!

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • les9596les9596 Member Posts: 3
    Hi folks. I just bought a 2001 Legacy L base model (deep sapphire) and I couldn't be more pleased. All wheel drive - I had no idea. Somebody's gonna have to teach me _how_ to break traction.

    I'm looking to upgrade the stereo by adding the subaru cd deck, upgrade speakers, and tweeter kit. My dealer just wants too much money to do this, so my question: Is installing the subaru components a do-it-yourself job?

    To be more specific: Can it all be done without removing big pieces of plastic from doors and dashes? Does it demand special tools? Is the wiring any more complex than plug it in? Am I likely to create squeaks and rattles by doing it?

    I can always have aftermarket installed, but I would like to have the factory stuff if I can make it happen within reason.

    Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Larry, congrats and schweet color! Wish I could help you but I haven't done this myself. I do remember reading some posts here, though. Select "see all responses" (just below the topic description, near the top of the page), then search with your browser (Ctrl in Internet Explorer or Netscape). For your case I'd search for "stereo" or "tweeter", without the quotes. Edmund's only searches through topic names and therefore is not of much use. Hope this helps until someone posts a response.

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Special tools? Well, not really.

    I wouldn't buy the Subaru factory stuff though, might as well take your money out of your pocket and toss it over your shoulder. It's that bad.

    Get aftermarket, it sounds a whole lot better and for what the Subaru stuff costs -- yes, even with Darlene's great prices and fabulous service-- you can do much better even shopping crutchfield. (they sell at or very slightly under MSRP.)

    You will have to remove the door panels, backseat, and center console to install front & rear speakers plus a cd receiver... factory or aftermarket. I am sure we could find some links for you on how to do it yourself if you want to go that route.

    -Colin
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Colin is right. When it comes to audio, aftermarket is almost always better. The Subaru premium stereo upgrades are simply re-branded Panasonic or Clarion parts. You'll find a much wider selection of choices from audio specialists and installation is as easy as OE parts.

    Ken
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    I just installed the tweeter kit in our '00 OB. You should find details of that install in post #817.

    It's a very easy install to DIY. But, if you're more interested in aftermarket equipment, Crutchfield is the place to go.

    -Brian
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    Hmm, thanks for the info about Canadian crude oil. I knew that North American fuel was high in sulphur content, but I didn't realise that it was higher north of the US border. I guess it makes sense; there is a huge sulphur refinery (??) about 10 minutes from my home, in the city of Port Moody, as well as an oil refinery (Petrol Canada) on the opposite side of the inlet, just a couple of minutes away from the sulphur pile.

    Perhaps this is why Canadian MLs (as did US vehicles) did have problems with the fuel fouling up the fuel sending unit sensors. The part was redesigned several times and seems to work fine now, though it is apparently still 100% perfect.

    FWIW, I usually use Costco or Canadian Superstore gasoline since the premium gas prices are lower at both locations than the other gas stations.
  • bogusbobbogusbob Member Posts: 13
    We just got the 18mm rear sway bar installed. What
    a difference it makes. Took the car out before and
    after thru the same curves, etc. and was very
    impressed with the handling and stability with the
    upgrade. Well worth the money. Also, it only took
    about 15 minutes to install using metric sockets
    and a pair of vice grips. Autocross is tomorrow,
    but have only got about 1100 miles on the Impreza
    engine so we will run the RX7 instead. Will run the
    Impreza at the autocross in 10/00. I want to thank
    all for posting very good information on this
    board and the other Subaru boards. It has been a
    big help. Thanks again.

    Just a footnote for all. We recently traded in our 1996 Legacy for a 2001 Impreza RS coupe 5 speed. I'm not much of a car mechanic but have received lots of useful advise from other crew members. Next project will be the air intake system or the exhaust system. Any thoughts on which would be best to do first?

    Bye for now........bogusbob (Ken)
  • guxxguxx Member Posts: 33
    Anyone know where on my Forester the temperature sensor is located?
  • les9596les9596 Member Posts: 3
    Thanks, crew, for your advice to go aftermarket on the stereo. I did and it turned out well. The pioneer 520 deck even looked good in the console (which suprised everyone.) The salesman talked me into replacing just the front two speakers with a couple of mb quarts. After watching the installers, I'm very glad I didn't attempt it.

    While they were doing the job, I saw the wires for the tweeter kit and now have no doubt I could do that upgrade. What do you think folks; would adding the tweeter kit improve the sound, even with my new super-duper mb quarts?

    My simple vision - blue beauty base legacy, decent stereo, dark tint, alloys. Hey, Subaru or aftermarkey alloys?

    -- Larry
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    OK, I think we need to agree on a uniform "2.5RS" upgrade protocol for the Forester and the OB. Bearing in mind that the biggest improvement the RS has over the L is in fact the bigger engine, I don't think we should worry about duplicating that upgrade- aftermarket stuff is going to void our warranties. Plus none of our others will let us drop $3000 on a blower.

    So, the question becomes, what other mods qualify?

    Bigger wheels and tires.
    Swaybar for the forester. Not so sure about the OB, since it is already riding on an 18mm bar (my '99, anyway). maybe just the whiteline swaybar links for this bar?
    perhaps the UR pulley, but that too might upset the service department.
    strut tower brace?
    With little performance driving experience, its tough for me to rank these in any particular order.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Just installed an 18mm rear swaybar on my 98 Forester S today. The installation process was fairly straightforward -- only 4 bolts to remove and put back on. The tricky part was getting threading the bolt which holds the clamp+bushings up against the bottom of the vehicle. I'll post the installation process on my website in a couple of days.

    The stock sway bar (13mm) looked very wimpy compared to the 18mm bar. I took it out for a quick spin and noticed the difference immediately. Turn-ins seem to take a little less effort with noticeably less understeer. I'll take it out on some twisties this weekend to check it out.

    I highly recommend this simple but effective upgrade for anyone. I purchased my sway bar from Darlene at QSubaru.

    Ken
  • tlimatlima Member Posts: 124
    Sorry I did not see your post sooner, as I just did the same thing you did.

    I went aftermarket (Kenwood). Got a chance to install the cd-receiver yesterday. In an earlier post, I said that the sound with aftermarked upgraded speakers was "excellent" with the stock head unit. With the aftermarket head-unit, it is absolutely fabulous. Really impressive.

    Install was simple. I went the Crutchfield route (which automatically includes the connectors I needed for "free") and everything installed perfectly. Looks good in the dash too.

    If anyone is looking for a good, fairly inexpensive and easy to install audio upgrade for their Forester, the Kenwood 215s CD-Rec, Kenwood 166s 6.5" speakers for front and Polk 5" 501a's for the rear makes a good combination.

    If you want CD-changer controls/remote/additional functionality, the 315s is better.

    Don't mean to push the Kenwood name, but it was recommended to me from an "audiofile", as I know little about aftermarket audio. I am sure Pioneer, Rockford-Fosgate, etc makes good stuff as well...
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Tweeters will make a HUGE difference, especially in a high mount location. Speakers mounted low in the door can't really deliver highs properly. The stock tweeters seem to be pretty good, and installation is a piece of cake. As I recall, they're not too expensive either.

    Craig
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    This was the weekend for modifications. Yesterday, I put in an 18mm rear sway bar. Today, I removed the silencer. Unfortunately, the plastic "plug" used on the MY00+ Impreza doesn't fit the Forester so I had to use some cardboard as a temporary fix. I also decided to keep my silencer intact and instead, I went to the local Kragen's to buy a length of air ducting to connect my airbox into the fender space.

    A couple notes on the modification:
    - Under normal driving, there is virtually no difference in noise.
    - Under WOT, the normal "growl" is much deeper and pronounced.
    - My Forester seems to rev easier and it seems to pull harder from 3-5K RPM.

    Ken
  • nypdaunypdau Member Posts: 38
    Seems like a lot of us are in the same boat with the audio upgrades. I popped off the grille to see what my factory "premium" speakers looked like; they're Panasonic coaxials but they don't look high end by any means. The cone is not paper at least, but I can't see anything that resembles it on the Panasonic website. I was unable to determine what brand of tweeters I have but they too are not paper. I am still not happy with the highs and mids. I would like to change the speakers AND the head, but I like the in-dash 6 CD changer. Does anyone know of an aftermarket unit with this capability? I will probably order speakers for the front this week, I am hoping a good coax up front will make me happy:)
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    (you know, I just chuckle every time I say that word aloud, like Beavis and Butthead or something)

    I had a good look at the, uh, snorkus, huh huh, in my OB. It takes air in just behind the passenger side headlamp. Is the air at that point really significantly hotter than the air in the fender?
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    All this talk of swaybars has me thinking, always a dangerous thing...

    I understand why you would want to upgrade the swaybar on an impreza and a forester, as the stock bars on these models are a little wimpy. But what about the stock 18mm bar on the OB? I am looking at the whiteline adjustable bar, which can be set for 18, 20, or 22mm. Wouldn't the 22mm setting, combined with an otherwise stock suspension, make the car overly tailhappy? I can see how a 20mm setting might make the car's trailing brake characterisitcs a bit more favorable, assuming the driver knows what he or she is doing. What exactly would be the point of the 22mm setting tho'?

    i knew I should have taken more physics in college.... :)
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I guess it would depend on where the air comes from and where it travels on its way into the intake -- unless there is a really clear path into the intake (like an external scoop), some of the air could be flowing across the radiator or around the block for all we know! I once saw smoke-visualization of airflow inside an engine compartment, and it was very messy. I mean like a swirling mix of recirclation and turbulence. Any intake that is under the hood (even near the leading edge like the OB) is subject to a lot of skepticism in my book. Never mind the fact that the intake tube itself heats up, just from being under the hood!

    Craig
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    For those who might be interested, I've put up a new webpage on my recent 18mm sway bar installation:

    http://ken.s.homepage.com/swaybar.html

    Lucien -- Sway bar sizes alone don't really mean anything. It's the size in relation to your vehicles front sway bar size, suspension, weight, etc. An 18mm rear sway bar on the OB doesn't do the same thing as an 18mm on an Impreza or Forester. Typically, cars are designed to understeer since it's safer for most drivers. Chances are the OB is set up that way too. You can get more neutral handling by increasing the size of the rear sway bar in relation to the front bar.

    Ken
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    good point, thanks. I knew that it was all relative, but it didn't seem to me that the weight, unsprung weight, ride height, body roll, etc was dramatically different between a '99 OB and a Forester. That is why I was thinking a 22mm option might be overkill, assuming one was running stock struts and springs.

    I found out at the track that the OB is most assuredly tuned to understeer ;) AWD in general wants to understeer, especially on the skidpad. I think a 20mm bar (or, I suppose, one that is adjustable) would help. Also, Mike Shields has some recommended alignment settings to eliminate understeer at www.spdusa.com I personally don't want to mess with extreme cambers and toe-in and such; hopefully a bar will make enough of a difference.
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    great job on those photos. I liked the one of the lil' tube of grease next to the bushing! A foolproof step by step guide.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Thanks for the compliments. Hey, I didn't want to take any chances with people not knowing what lithium grease was -- I didn't until this modification. :)

    I'm not sure how the suspension setup is on a 99OB. The Forester is closer to an Impreza than it is to the OB so I went with what other Impreza 2.5RS owners were doing.

    Ken
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Lucien -- You asked about the differences in temperatures between the fender and engine compartment. Check this link out -- it made me think the snorkus removal was worth it:

    http://www.imprezawrx.org/modifications/AZScooby/Peaty/thermal.html

    Paul -- I know what you mean about needing more mid-range. I recently swapped my Panasonic two-ways for a set of Sony Xplod 3-ways in the front. The mid and highs are a LOT clearer. The speakers were $80 through Crutchfield. Installation is super easy.

    Ken
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Great pictures, Ken. The plastic endlinks are clearly visible in those pictures-- whenever my parts arrive from the Rallispec Whiteline group buy, I'll be replacing mine with the metal endlinks.

    I'll try to take decent pictures. ;)

    I also have a long-standing promise with myself to install some speakers once the weather cools down. I may go all the way and install a whole bunch of equipment that's been collecting dust in my spare closet since I pulled it out of my old car. (I couldn't bear the thought of adding weight to my Impreza after I started autocrossing... but now I'm having thoughts about designing a removeable sub and amp rack.)

    -Colin
  • ramonramon Member Posts: 825
    someone's going STS now..... hehehehe...
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Ken- Congrats....awesome job with the web site. Did you get a chance to test the new sway bar this weekend? I also liked the air horns. I had been wondering if there was room for them in the Forester's engine bay. Did you install them yourself? How difficult to do and how loud are they? As Juice likes to say...."inquiring minds want to know!"

    -Frank P.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Colin,

    Yeah, I was a little disappointed to see how flimsy the endlinks were in contrast to the beefy sway bar. That just might have to be a future mod!

    Frank,

    Thanks. Yes, I did get a chance to drive a bit with the new sway bar. There's a tight turn right near my office that I usually take aggressively. Today, the back end DEFINETLY came around a lot quicker. A lot less understeer/plowing.

    As for the airhorns, I'm not sure which photo you're refering to -- I don't have any. All I have are the stock "beepers" and the OE alarm. Maybe you saw the alarm siren in my engine bay?

    Ken
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Ken- Whoops, sorry, I got confused there. I followed your link regarding engine bay temp readings and didn't realize that the link was to a Impreza WRX site (the air horns are in the middle of the first photo). Still.....since the Forester and Impreza are so similiar......I wonder......Hmmmmm..... ;)

    -Frank P.
  • babaorileybabaoriley Member Posts: 74
    Like your site! Everything laid out well and organized. Where did you get your windows tinted? I live in the North Bay and have been reluctant to get my 00OB tinted until I find a good referral. Are you satisfied with the tint job? I'm not too worried about price as long as I have no problems.
    Thanks,
    Brett
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    Ken, great instructions! The photos are great too (good detail and contrast), but well-written instructions take much time; we appreciate it! And I must say the marbling of the concrete floor upon which the tube of lithium grease sets is divine ;) I wonder if I see an left-coast (Ken)/right-coast (juice) website rivalry ensuing..

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Brett -- I had my tinting done near work in the South Bay at a place called Quality Auto Tint (pretty generic name). Unfortunately, I don't know of any places in the North Bay. Anyway, it cost me about $225 for all the windows behind the driver.

    Tint shops are a dime a dozen. Simply call around and ask them if 1) they use quality films like 3M or Madico, 2) if they back their work with a warranty and 3) make sure they actually go below the window line on the doors. Prices will vary with the type of film they use. Expect prices from $150-$250.

    Mike -- Thanks for the compliments. I've been getting positive reviews on the lithium grease. ;-) I think I'll use that in all of my webpages.

    Ken
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I got my fender plug (and filters) today from Darlene at QSubaru. Fits perfectly, no surprise there, and it does cut down on the intake noise. There is only a slight honk around 4000 rpm now, and only at WOT. My previous cardboard plug made quite a bit more noise between 3500-4500.

    -Colin
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Colin,

    I currently use a makeshift cardboard plug and it makes a little more noise than I'd like. Does the plastic plug make that more of a difference?

    I purchased the plug from Darlene also, but unfortunately, it doesn't fit the Forester. I checked my friend's MY00 Forester and there is no plug -- just a hole leading to the fender!

    I'm currently wondering if it's worth keeping the snorkus out. The revs do feel a little smoother and I like the deeper growl but it's a bit on the loud side.

    Are there any dyno tests (not butt dyno)to show that the silencer removal increases performance?

    Ken
  • goosegoggoosegog Member Posts: 206
    Anyone know a quality outfit in the Greater Vancouver area? I'd like to get my Wintergreen 00 OB done with that reflective yellow/gold that you see on the Lexus RX400 but haven't found anyone yet who can do that.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    goosegog,

    I can't recommend anyone in your area, but I can tell you that it will be hard to find that exact mirrored tint you see on the Lexus. The closest you'll probably get is with a metallic film that will give some reflective properties.

    Here's what a 20% Madico metallic tint in neutral smoke looks like on my Forester:

    http://ken.s.homepage.com/tint.html

    Ken
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Hey Ken,

    I've been away for a while and glad to see you went the 18mm bar route as well (that's a familiar view on your webpage). Again, shame on me - I bought mine from Mike Shields @ spdusa and could have saved a bundle from Darlene (if you're out there, please forgive me). I've always liked to think of my Forester as a 2.5RS still in its packing crate. Pleas keep us posted on the endlinks upgrade - I'd like to try that myself.

    I'm kinda wimpy when it comes to the snorkus and other upgrades. I'd like to add a K&N or Amsoil filter but don't see much benefit in the RPM range in which I normally drive. Would also like to replace the factory exhaust with a Stromung but again, not sure the gain is worth the effort - plus I'm not interested in pulling off the "coffee can stuck on back" look. I think my '00 Forester has about enough oomph for most situations (maybe too much - I got a speeding ticket on my road trip down South ;-p) expect sometimes in emergency passing and onramp situations - there an extra 15-20 hp would be helpful.

    Hmmm....maybe it's time to throw my 2 cents in on the "Future Models" board.

    Take care,
    Ed
  • alingaling Member Posts: 598
    There are many tint places in downtown Vancouver. Just drive around and you'll see plenty of them. As Ken said, make sure that they use a quality tint (most give a lifetime warranty too) and that they've been around for a while. Perhaps you could also check around with the dealership and they may be able to recommend a store. FWIW, I believe the Infiniti QX4 also has a somewhat similar mirrored tint as the Lexus RX300.

    Good luck!
    Drew
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Ken:

    I haven't seen any dyno results, but have a look at this underhood temperature plot. (Data gathered by Peat Romano)

    http://home.kscable.com/lockes/colin/underhood.htm

    It definitely works for cold air intake, but look at what happens when the car ceases to be in motion. I bet dyno results would be pretty poor, whereas real world results driving would be a lot better.

    -Colin
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Colin,

    Yup, I've seen that data before. The fender air temperature sure catches up quickly once the car isn't in motion.

    BTW, are you satisfied with the modification? Any problems with rain water?


    Ed,

    Actually, your MY00 doesn't have that hideous snorkus thing in the fender. Instead, it has a much more direct intake path with a smaller silencer near your front grille. People with MY00+ have made modifications to tap into the fender well, but it requires gettting some of your own intake piping.

    That 18mm sway bar rocks. Last night, I noticed that my vehicle felt way more solid going through a curve on a freeway merge-ramp. Normally, I need to keep it below 65mph otherwise I feel like I'm going to plow to the outside of the turn. Last night, I was suprised to find that I was taking it comfortably at that speed.

    Ken
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    No problems at all in heavy rain. I'm not stupid enough to drive through deep standing water. ;)

    -Colin
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Whoops, posted a bit early.

    I'm very happy with the results, no loss of low-end or midrange torque and it feels more lively up top. Plus I have a total of ... what $45 in it? $50 maybe. Just the AMSOil filter, the Subaru fender plug and a little of my time.

    -Colin
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    ...if it sneaked up and bit me in the rear. I was wondering why I didn't recognize that thing in Juice's how-to pix. Not sure if I want to mess around with new piping just yet. Maybe K&N/Amsoil would be more helpful given the routing?

    Just an aside: K&N is running an ad in current auto magazines featuring a rusty, abandoned Studebaker pickup with a caption along the lines of "the K&N filter in this truck still has xx,xxx miles left." Worth a chuckle but makes me wonder if I can get one to fit my Stude? Hmm, maybe I'll mosey over to their website...

    Ed
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