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  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Where's the hood scoop in the photo?

    Ken
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Yup. I looked at the '04 Base OBW again and it has the same wheels as '00 to '03 Base models.

    The '04 35th Anniv. H6 OBW at my dealer had the Baja Turbo wheels. Supposedly these are also on the '04 VDC.

    Still don't know what wheels the '04 OB Limited has.

    I asked the dealer if they had any '04 OB info and they said no.

    Ken - Saab is supposedly looking into also selling a 2.5 non-turbo model of the 9-2. An 2.5RS wagon per say.

    DaveM
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.subaru.com.au/

    I see the self-leveling rear suspension is standard.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I bet they had lots of Baja wheels left over, given production is only half what was projected. That's why they put those wheels on other models.

    Once again we get dissed, the best stuff stays overseas!

    -juice
  • subewannabesubewannabe Member Posts: 403
    The subaru -oz site lists the interior and exterior features of their version of the Forester XT Luxury Pack, with leather seats and sunroof, available with the Manual Transmission! And the 360 degree interior tour very clearly shows the Manual shifter.
        Given the poor fuel economy and the 1st to 2nd complaints of the MT buyers, I would rethink the AT anyway, but I wanted a choice. I like how the oz site has such clear info on the gearing....given the the MT's lower 1st and top end gear ratios , its no surprise the MT is eating up so much gas. If OZ gets the new Legacy/Liberty GT before us,with the 2.5 L turbo, I hope they include this much info on their web site, so I can do some serious number comparisons between the Legacy and the Forester even before the Legacy is available here.
    Mark
  • subewannabesubewannabe Member Posts: 403
    in the technical-specifications section of the subaru NZ website are incorrect..they still have the old legacy specs on the chart. accurate but less detailed specs are on the apexjapan site
    Mark
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.autopoint.co.nz/reviews/reviewstory.asp?ID=5198
  • subewannabesubewannabe Member Posts: 403
    in the new Legacy GT, at least in the NZ release, is 4.44, same as the new Forester XT, reflective of the overall emphasis on power at the low end of the speedo and tach. Ill want to see the gear reduction ratios in the MT and AT..so far there has been some unhappy campers who bought the forester XT , esp. with the MT, about the high revs at cruising speed and poor fuel economy. Wait and watch, I guess.
    Mark
  • subewannabesubewannabe Member Posts: 403
    I popped over to a currency exchange site. Those intro MSRP's on the Legacy GT: 59,990 NZD for the MT=$34,750 USD; 62,990 NZD for the auto-man =
    $36,500 USD!
    This is so far beyond previous Subaru pricing, I suspect they will be hard to sell in the US, where Subaru is less than 1% of domestic auto sales, at that price point. Still, its well below comparably equipped Volvo, Audi and BMW sport wagons. At those prices, I'd be hard pressed to choose the Legacy GT over a Forester XT MSR priced $8000 less.
    Mark
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Do the conversion for models that *are* currently offered in both markets before you wig out too much...

    -Colin
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    US prices tend to be less than many overseas markets.
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    they should price legacy around 31-32 MSRP, so people can buy it below 30.

    thw wagon in the NZ article looks the best....it chnages my opinion from sedan to wagon, it is that good looking.

    The main sucess behind WRX was pricing it below 24k.
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread/t-1432.html
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    http://www.ultimatesubaru.net/Literature/brochures/brochures-68-7- 9.html
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    http://www.ultimatesubaru.net/Literature/brochures/brochures-80-8- 9.html
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Wow! Did you see the various BRATS? In the UK it was called the Shifter! That's a new one on me! Also, some of those BRATs did not have seats in the rear bed! They even had a front winch and roo-bar type bumpers as options!

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    All-new '05 Legacy/Outback predictions, based solely on gut feelings:

    • When the North American-spec H-6 Outback debuts, it will debut only with the new 5-speed SportShift tranny. If the H-6 is offered with a manual, it will only be in the Legacy, and I think that's a long shot too. My guess is that that for those who want performance and to row the gearbox, that will be a pleasure reserved H-4 turbos.

    • When the North American-spec H-6 debuts, its displacement will increase. I say anywhere from a 3.2 – 3.7 in size. My guess is 3.5, mainly because Nissan has a great 3.5 V6, and they are selling lots of V6 Altimas and Maximas. Also, if it's a 3.5, it could easily be increased to 3.6 or 3.7 for the crossover. I'm also not convinced this engine will be derived from the current 3.0. It could very well be an all-new engine. I do think a 3.0 H-6 will continue to be offered in other markets, however.

    Bob
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Bob,

    Yeah, the H6 will probably still only be offered in auto. I also think it'll be the 5-speed to keep up with other makes.

    In addition to a bump in displacement, the H6 would probably get AVCS.

    Ken
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Dang I hope you guys are wrong. I know that the 2.5T in a Legacy, with a manual tranny, would be *enough* for me but I'd really like a nice juicy 240+ HP H6 with a manual.

    -Colin
  • jlemolejlemole Member Posts: 345
    The interior set-up actually reminds me of the look of an early 60's T-Bird, especially with the sky blue accents and that triangular center dash console. Not sure I can deal with that color scheme, though.

    Jon
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    are based on what I think will happen, and not what I want to happen. I'm just trying to put my feet in Subaru's marketing shoes, and it's based pretty much on what they've done in the past. Let's hope they surprise us, and prove me wrong. :)

    Bob
  • FrankMcFrankMc Member Posts: 228
    I really like the B11 photos. Is this slated to go into production?

    Frank
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Man, the B11S screams character. Even watered down it would be beautiful.

    What I think and what I want are also very different. I want a 2000 lb 7 passenger H6 twin turbo hard-top convertible with a 12 year unlimited mile warranty for $10 grand. ;-)

    -juice
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,754
    why not for free?

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Gotta keep Patti employed. I'm willing to pay something to keep SoA around. :-)

    I forgot to mention free enrollment in autocross school, and unlimited track access, naturally.

    -juice
  • subewannabesubewannabe Member Posts: 403
    I just got a nice post card from IMBA reminding me of my Subaru VIP benefits and reminding me to call them and get my authorization letter BEFORE I go out shopping. The postcard has the IMBA Baja on it.....with a couple of Gary Fisher bikes in the bed that probably cost, together, almost as much as the Baja!
       I guess I'll just stick my post card in the desk and go pedal around until that 05 Legacy hits these shores.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,754
    some of you folks have mentioned these points or money towards subaru service, products, and cars. What is this all about? If I can start collecting money towards a B4, I wanna get on it. thanks.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    sign up for subaru chase mastercard, save upto $2,000. can use it for maintenance, external warranty etc or for a new car
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    someone compared legacy GT pricing in NZ & said USD equivalent is 36k. that's true but see this.

    2003 Legacy 2.5l MT in NZ costs USD 25k which is 5k more than what it costs in US.

    using the same math, GT would cost 30-31 range which is a good 6-7k less than european ones, it will kick......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    that's what I'm talking about! :)

    -Colin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I wonder where they'll start. The Legacy L, I mean. Some go for less than $20k today, I'm not sure they can have base prices in the $25k+ range.

    -juice
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    I can get a fully loaded V6 Camry for 24k here in Houston. The choice would be simple, AWD or not, sorry. But! I am willing to do 25k-27k if the 2.5t Legacy is 250+ hp, has a 6MT, and a few minor upgrades in interior quality, leather not required. 250+hp would take the Legacy to a COMPLETELY different level, which, if I read Subaru right, is exactly what they want to do. I am a little nervous that I have yet to see anything from the Subaru brass about keeping prices under control. I'm also starting to agree with some people around here who might lean towards a 247 hp H6, but I worry that it will be mated to a 4EAT only, which would probably be a deal killer for me.

    Jim <---- Has a computer screen background of the exact Legacy he wants sitting on a beach in Japan....oh, so close, yet so far away.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,754
    thanks. i searched chase and found it. but what's this about $2K limit? I saw in their rules it limits you to $500 a year (which sucks) but I didn't see anything about this $2K limit. I'll have to read more when I get the chance. Maybe it will be worth it, but, by the time I'll probably want to buy I might only have a couple hundred in coupons. Better than a kick in the teeth, I guess.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It'll pay for most service, or maybe a big portion of an extended warranty.

    -juice
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    yes, you will only have 200 when you buy it.
    but after you buy it, these coupons can be used for spares, service maint. etc.

    2000 is the maximum you can use towards a new car.

    it does not say you can't have more than 1 creditcard per household. for e.g my wife & i can get 500 each per year ????????
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    don;t just look at legacy MSRP. subes usually sell 2-2.5k below MSRP. your camry won't, will it ?
  • FrankMcFrankMc Member Posts: 228
    2 cards, I don't know if you could use both peoples points together to buy the car, but certainly you could use ones to buy the car and one for service later. You would have to charge enough to go over the maximum for you to need this technique.

    Frank
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    http://www.jsonline.com/wheels/test/aug03/159374.asp
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/news,view.spy?artid=15319&amp- ;pg=1
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    I figured the "under invoice" possibilities into the numbers I referenced, just as I had with the Camry. I fugure a low end Legacy 2.5t will start around 27k and creep up into the low 30k's pretty easily at least as far as the window sticker goes. But, yes, as always, the ads and the negotiated price will be closer to my 25-27k price.

    Jim

    Edit: My gosh, could that last link have any more mistakes in it? 2.5 liter 227 hp WRX = wrong, and twin turbo WRX = wrong, even in Canada, lads.
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    you are confused about my email.

    what i am saying is in NZ, the current legacy(not new one) costs in USD Equiq. of 25k. So, i am not surprised that new GT costs USD 36k

    Since current legacy costs in US at 20k, the GT should cost 5to6k less than 36k.
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    new camry at 25.5K ????????? 4k below msrp

    http://www.fitzmall.com/carfind/resultsb.asp?Search=NEW&ID=05- 9587&photo=TO032554&loc=LFT&mall=GA&year=2003&amp- ;mk_code=TO
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    You can do 1.5k better than that here. New 4 cyl's for 17k.

    Jim
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Shame on auto123.com: detuned to 210-hp due to only integrating a single turbo instead of the WRX's two

    They take the cake on inaccuracy.

    Told ya Camrys can hit $30k MSRP. Scary. It's loaded to the gills, but still.

    Invoice is probably 10% less, so that's $3 grand right there. Then add a small rebate and boom, real-world pricing.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    I hope for SOA that they don't try and go overboard with the "premium" image with the new Legacy and charge in the low 30K mark with the GT. Given how well received the MSRP of the VDC OBs were, I think it would make sense to begin conservatively and build that premium image.

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Value-package them. Don't force leather with the turbo, don't mandate a fancy stereo either.

    WRX sold well because it was a good value. VDC went premium and sales, at least, tanked.

    -juice
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Member Posts: 1,394
    yes, this is what subaru is known for. Utility & value.....of course they can offer upscale BUT only as options

    http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Aug/08052003/Tuesday/81298.asp
  • subewannabesubewannabe Member Posts: 403
    Im betting that Subaru will introduce the 05 Legacy GT in only one version: leather /mcintosh 13 speaker sound systyem/ manumatic tranny, MSRP $33K. I think they're gonna test the market and see who bites. Sure they'll miss most traditional subie customers, but they can always follow up with less luxurious version with the NA engine and the Outback.
       I think we are seeing a division in the market: folks who want a giant SUV or gadget-filled mini van have plenty of expensive choices, but the enthusuiasts want smaller, manueverable performance wagons. Audi can't sell S4 and S6 wagons fast enough, and folks are standing on line for the Mazda 6 wagon, which is pale by comparison but better than a Saturn. Its already very hard to find a Forester XT Premium package...I think Subaru will test the $30K market.
    Mark
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    there will be two trim levels: The turbo; and L-SE level, but with a different name. Maybe with the low-boost Forester/Baja turbo?

    Now wouldn't that be a hoot? All Legacys with turbos; one low-boost, and one mid/high-boost.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    ... and an H6, perhaps only with automatic? That seems to be where Subaru is headed.

    No way, no how, will they meet CAFE standards without a base engine that is normally aspirated.

    -juice
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