Subaru Crew - Future Models II

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  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    But they don't have to develop a 5 AT - they have one. What they do need to do is tweak the ratios to make it a fuel friendly option. The 5 EAT in the GT is the only Subie where the auto gets worse city fuel economy than the 5 speed and by a long shot - it increased fuel consumption by 1L/100km for Canadian ratings or about 9%. It's only 1mpg lost in the EPA figures but they are much less accurate given they round to the nearest whole number.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Didn't that go out with limos in the 1990s?

    ;)

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22571800&postcount=268

    The dash assembly and inside door panels appears to be modified Forester/Impreza units, while the instrument cluster is borrowed in its entirety. 3rd-row seating leg room appears okay, but not great, as you might expect in a vehicle this size.

    Bob
  • 204meca204meca Member Posts: 369
    I am a happy owner of a 03 Forester XS & an Audi A4. While these are both great cars, we no longer need two cars as capable as either of these; & we will be replacing one of these cars in in 2010. I have been reading about plug in electric cars & believe that is what we will be wanting in 2010.

    I see that the Subuaru R1e seems to have all the right stuff (driving range of at least 50 miles & capable of 60 mph, recharges in 8 hours with normal household current). Because such a vehicle would not be driven long distances, it does not have to be build to be comfortable of long trips. Just efficient, easy to drive, relatively comfortable suspension, AC & a decent sound system (radio/cd player/ipod). If someone can produce & sell such a car at cost that is comparable to similar sized cheap gas economy cars (such as the Toyota Yaris) they will have a huge success on your hands.

    One site suggested that FHI would only sell 100 per year. :( I hope that is not the case. I believe that there are tens of thousands of us who would buy this car! BRING IN ON SUBARU! :shades:
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    HEAR HEAR!

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • nickelnickel Member Posts: 147
    Maybe there are not many of us that can read in Spanish, but in the Car and Driver spaniard version, they compared the Legacy Diesel against the new Mazda 6 and the Lancer, and the Subie won. Check on http://www.caranddriverrevista.orange.es/c_driver/compas_nuevas/compa_lancer_maz- da6_legacy/pag1.shtml.
    I am not a diesel fan, but this is one more reason for the company to bring that engine to America.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    My family would be on the list for one. Unfortunately, that 100 per year is only in Japan. Not for sale anywhere else. If and when a Subaru electric makes it to North America, it'll more likely be based on the G4e concept, more similar in size to the upcoming new Honda Fit (a little larger than the current Fit). I'd drive a tiny R1e around town, but I'm not sure many companies other than MB's Smart think there's a market here yet for such small vehicles.
  • 204meca204meca Member Posts: 369
    For those not familar with the Re1, here is a link: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/28/subaru-r1e-electric-vehicle-ready-for-sale-ea- rly/

    If the current Forester with the rumored 200 HP diesel 5 spd EAT becomes available in NA that would also be very sweet.

    Time to start a letter writing campaign to Subaru making them aware of our needs and wants. Sent mine to Subaru.com (click on contact).
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    http://www.drive.subaru.com/Sum08/Sum08_OB_Leg.htm

    outlines changes for 2009 in Outback and Legacy. Mostly cosmetic and audio tweaks, and VDC is standard. No changes to engine nor drivetrain.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    VDC was overdue, but that's good news.

    Exiga looks like it could compete well against the Mazda5. They should reconsider bringing it here.

    Inside it looks like the Grand Forester I was begging for years ago.

    Small is hot, so bring it to the US, Subaru!

    The LED lights are a new trend, mike. The DCX minivans got those. Forester has LED spots on some interior controls. Exiga just goes a step further.

    Big moonroof looks good, another thing they copied from the Forester.

    They should have made the rear door wider. Access to the 3rd row is going to be tough, I bet.

    My theory is this - if they brought it here, it might kill Tribeca sales.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    We hear things like this all the time. Actually I recall hearing the 2.5l would be at 180hp by now, about 10 times.

    No way, no how, will all models get this kind of power bump in the next year or two. That's just not like Subaru to do that.

    Plus, it might make more sense right now to make fuel efficiency gains, rather than power gains.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    That's no moonroof, that's an actual glass roof. The glass area should put even Forester's panoramic moonroof to shame, but I doubt Exiga's roof pops up for ventilation.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    We really need to see some better pics!

    Aren't brochures out yet in Japan?
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    "Actually I recall hearing the 2.5l would be at 180hp by now, about 10 times."

    My '06 is rated at 175hp... that's close enough to 180 in my book. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My PZEV Forester also makes 175hp.

    I guess we can round up.

    May as well round up to the nearest hundred - 200hp it is! :D
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    No official launch in Japan yet. Some good real-life pics throughout this thread, though. Really pretty ruby red pic near the end of the page.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think that was the concept.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    :confuse: These have gotta be production vehicles. Pics of rows of them sitting on lots, and further through the thread there are interior shots as well. Just keep scrollin'. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Oh, OK. The first page had the red concept car.
  • movedormovedor Member Posts: 65
    See http://www.drive.subaru.com/Sum08/Sum08_News_R1e.htm.

    It says there R1e is "test bed for evaluating battery technology to be used in electric as well as hybrid electric and fuel cell electric vehicles."

    Sounds like it will not be selling it as product to anyone.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    The LED lights are a new trend, mike.

    I have them in my Armada too. I didn't realize they were LEDs they looked more like neon tubes to me.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Cool.

    I think our new Forester has two of them. One at the top, acting like a spot light where the shifter is. The other seems to be in the storage bin in front of the shifter.

    I put my cell phone there and it's a cool effect, a sort of soft light that helps you find the little stuff you put there.
  • bigelmbigelm Member Posts: 995
    have them in my Armada too. I didn't realize they were LEDs they looked more like neon tubes to me.

    Still living in the 80's huh? :)
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    That's what I said, they look like neon tubes which went out in the 80s....

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22666967&postcount=326

    While I'm sure many will like it, it doesn't do a thing for me. I see it as Subaru at its absolute blandest. Worse yet—it looks old, yet it's brand new. :(

    Bob
  • saedavesaedave Member Posts: 694
    While I'm sure many will like it, it doesn't do a thing for me. I see it as Subaru at its absolute blandest. Worse yet—it looks old, yet it's brand new

    A great design that fortunately does NOT look like the reincarnated Pontiac Aztec influenced Tribeca!
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Great design? No way—but it will sell.

    Just because it might be appealing does NOT mean it's great design. It just means it's appealing design, and nothing more. Toyota has done very well for itself by designing bland and safe (safe as in taking no risks) looking vehicles—not great looking vehicles, that sell.

    Bob
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Small(ish) & functional... works for me. Glass roof makes it very appealing to me... I hope we see it appear in other models as well, though I wouldn't want to lose the panoramic moonroof option.
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    I'm neither here nor there on the looks. Not much different than the Venza really which could well be the competition. Wonder if they will drop the 3rd row like Toyota did if it comes over to NA? The 3rd row looks small child only, but I consider that acceptable in a well priced unit. It wasn't forgivable at the Tribeca's price point for us.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Member Posts: 1,742
    Tribeca's 3rd row is so low it pushes your knees up practically to chest level. From the photos, it looks to me like Exiga may be a big improvement in that area. Still looks small, but might be a more normal (comfortable) seating position... I'd be OK with that.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm with Jeff, though I do wish they had made it a little bit bigger.

    If it were Tribeca sized, yet shaped like it is (boxy, efficient space utilization), it would be a real contender and worth bringing to the US.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    It's significantly smaller than the Tribecca so I highly doubt the 3rd row will be more roomy than the Tribecca.

    I'm with bob, it's bland as can be. A lot of Avalon/Camry hints (NOT A GOOD THING).

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I agree, but what I think it that if they had made it bigger, i.e. Tribeca-sized, it would be roomier because it's more space efficient than the Tribeca is.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    Question... given how many reviewers complain about the current STI's suspension:

    Should Subaru build a version of the WRX STI devoted solely to the track?

    Would a flat cornering, limited travel suspension be a good option for it?
    (in other words, make a Lotus Elise out of it)?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Nope, cause they'll sell about 300 of them, not worth it for them to produce such a vehicle. If someone is going to track their car they will be modifying it anyway so throwing on some coilovers and sway bars isn't that difficult. 1 saturday and you have it done.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Not sure that i agree you on that Mike. Subaru already does offer very limited edition models, and has done so for years. The new Legacy STI 402 is being built in numbers of 402, hence the name. Plus in Japan they offer the STI spec.C, which is about as track-ready a car as you will ever find coming from a factory; again being produced in very limited numbers.

    I think the real problem here is getting a vehicle with a very low production number here certified for sale. I may not be worth SOA's effort to do so.

    Bob
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    Perhaps then the Performance unit of Subaru should offer a "track kit" ? Perhaps they already do ?

    Perhaps then the reviewers who [non-permissible content removed] about the STI can get a "track ready" version to try out and be happier ?

    For that matter, how many of the STI's sold are used for the track, rather than rally racing?
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Interesting that you should say that.

    I agree that Subaru should offer some sort of "factory" sport set-up for the (Impreza) STI, be it a specific model or just an option package. In fact, it was mentioned here.

    http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/3019

    Bob
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    Tribeca's 3rd row is so low it pushes your knees up practically to chest level.

    you need to ride in the back of a Caddy SRX one day to appreciate low and knees in your chest!
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Not sure that i agree you on that Mike. Subaru already does offer very limited edition models, and has done so for years. The new Legacy STI 402 is being built in numbers of 402, hence the name. Plus in Japan they offer the STI spec.C, which is about as track-ready a car as you will ever find coming from a factory; again being produced in very limited numbers.

    I think the real problem here is getting a vehicle with a very low production number here certified for sale. I may not be worth SOA's effort to do so.


    Yeah I was referring to the USDM market. Also over here, most sanctioned racing requires a lot of modifications, more than would come in a factory setup of any kind, so you'd still need to modify it in order to race em here. The only factory race car I know of here is the Mustang, and that's produced for a spec series and I don't think it's street legal.

    -mike
  • aaykayaaykay Member Posts: 539
    I wonder if the picture with the suitcases in a row, was with all 3 rows of seats up ? Or was it taken with the 3rd row seat down ? If it was with all 3 rows of seats up, then they are certainly doing some creative space management and I will certainly consider this in lieu of a larger-looking vehicle like the Tribeca.

    Talking of space management, my new Honda Fit is the very epitome of it. Very roomy seating positions in both rows and has a reasonable amount of trunk space too (21 cu.ft), while externally the car looks dimunitive/pint-sized. The only downside is that with the smallish engine, the car has not moved much till it gets to the 3rd gear....but with 37+mpg (real world with 40% stop-and-go city and 60% hwy including 75-80mph speeds - not BS EPA numbers), I am not complaining !
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    ...I will certainly consider this in lieu of a larger-looking vehicle like the Tribeca.

    One problem: There are no plans currently to bring it over here.

    Bob
  • movedormovedor Member Posts: 65
    Exiga looks like a minivan disguised as station wagon. Is this the minivan that was rumored few years ago?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Some strange details there...

    That vinyl looks shiny and cheap. The fabric just looks bizarre, with that texture.

    The underseat storage bin looks gimmicky - they could have made it bigger. My van has one and it's always coming loose.

    They could have had 2 glove boxes instead of that slot above the single one.

    I do like how wide the rear doors are.

    I see a lot of room for improvement, though, before they bring it here. Make it bigger while you're at it.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    From the Edmunds preview drive:

    "As with the Japan-specification Legacy and Impreza, SI-Drive allows you to choose among three modes of torque-management strategy, only this time, a kind of kick-down function has been employed. Even in economical "I" (Intelligent) mode, a quick extension of the right boot will see the explosive "S#" sport sharp mode automatically engaged, allowing you to instantly overtake the car ahead. Then, just lift off on the throttle and "I" mode reengages, taking you back to economical cruising. Up until now, you had to flick the SI-Drive switch manually. "

    Huzzah to the new SI drive and a true "Intelligent" mode that doesn't neuter the car as it does in present Outbacks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I wouldn't have minded that new system on our Forester. Not at all.
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