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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    is on the way for '02.

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    <- is a forester fan. Not a big santa-fe fan myself. Glad to hear it can out run the V6s.

    However my XT6 is faster than the WRX off-the-line :) of course once you hit about 300feet, the wrx will walk away from the XT6 though.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It's not the V6 format itself, but displacement, that gives you low end punch. Well, plus factor the weight. So your XT does well on both, hence it's quick off the line.

    So the Subie boxer is actually about the same size as the V6 in the Grand Vitara, and produces more torque and more power.

    -juice
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Not if I rev up and pop the clutch (I know...only done this once). Before you realize it, I'm gone. XT6 is a great little car but no way is it faster (off the line incl) when the WRX is driven with gusto. :-)

    Stephen
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think he meant rolling start. No fair using the clutch! ;-)

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    But not a clutch drop. I have an AT, so that's no fair. My buddy drives with much gusto, just not 4K clutch drops, and we race routinely off the line, for the first 300feet, I'm gone a good 1-2 car lengths, then it's all wrx.

    -mike
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Drag race! Drag race! ;-)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That's a 2.7l air pump beating a 2.0l one. The turbo isn't a factor until it spools up, then you have one nasty air pump!

    -juice
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Didn't know we were talkin' fair!!! LOL Must be that competitive edge of mine rearin' it's ugly head. :-)

    Stephen
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    even from a rolling start, I can't imagine the XT6 staying ahead for 300 feet.

    From a roll-on the WRX is making plenty of boost in a few seconds. I think Stephen's right. If you're in a roll-on race, stomp the clutch down and let the engine spool... don't be stupid about it. ;)

    -Colin
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Anyone in the NY/NJ area wanna do some testing? hee hee I'm willing to test the XT6 v. WRX and see how far I can hold em off! :)

    -mike
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    That's easy. Just head to the i-club drags at Englishtown or Atco. :-) Just don't play too much Fast and Furious on the street. Timeslips show 30 ft. and other times, right?
    Dennis
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I'd never go to the drag strip. Wait like 2+hrs to drag for like 15 seconds. We laugh at the dragsters when we are auto-xing down there cause they wait in line so long. :)

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah but for those few seconds you feel free...

    Who am I paraphrasing? And in what movie did that come up again recently?

    -juice
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    mike, that's why they started going to Atco. You can get a lot more runs in if you're there early. Atco a LOT farther south though.

    juice - Steve McQueen (wild guess)?? Was it in Driven or F&F?

    Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Correct, and it was repeated in F&F.

    Some i Club chapters are having gatherings to watch the film. Maybe there will be a sequel with some Scoobys in it.

    -juice
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    ended up on the cutting room floor. I remember i-clubber's posting about being filmed for the movie. That was back when the working name was "Redline". Too bad the WRX wasn't out yet (or maybe that's a good thing).
    Dennis
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    are probably full of bull. I believe about 10-30% of what I read on there about stuff like that.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The movie (F&F) really focused on cars from 5-10 years ago. It was a bit odd, but there were previous generation Eclipses, but no new ones that I saw. They had an older Jetta that was pretty prominent, too. Even 240SXs, RX7s, and Supras were there, and they're not even sold here any more.

    It was like a time warp, you felt like you were in 1995, except for the S2000.

    If you can ignore the dialogue, the movie is interesting to watch.

    -juice
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Here's one i-clubber that's not full of bull. Nick C.

    http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=66257&referrerid=767

    Dennis
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Yes, I'm sure Nick isn't BSing, good guy. Just very sceptical on people's bragging rights over @ I-club often. :)

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Another one who wasn't full of bull was Al Gainey ("ARG"), he has a supercharged '99 RS and it was the 'extra' Dennis was referring to. They actually told him he couldn't drive it because he was older than the movie's demographic (I think he's mid 30-ish), so a younger SoCal iClubber drove it for him in the scene.

    -Colin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Hmm, what cars do you think will be in the next one?

    WRX is likely. What about the Matrix? Sentra Spec V? Protoge MP3? RS-X is a shoe-in. The new Civic Si too.

    I was surprised I didn't see a PT Cruiser or even the a Celica, though I think there was an older MR2.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Is the movie *that* popular that someone will fund a sequel? I haven't seen any sales figures yet.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I bet it will. I went to the first showing on the east coast (last Friday, noon) and the theatre was packed. I've heard people talk about seeing it again, even.

    In comparison, the theatre was empty for Driven.

    It won't be a huge blockbuster, but it will have enough of a following to warrant a sequel.

    -juice
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    F&F grossed 40 million last weekend.

    Driven has grossed 32.3 to date.
    Poor Crocidile Dundee has grossed only 24.9 to date.
    http://www.the-movie-times.com/thrsdir/2001bygrossall.html
    Dennis
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Hey, what's up with all this "not fair" talk when comparing 5-MT Soobies to the auto equipped competition? It's not Subaru's fault that other manufacturers are too short-sighted to offer both auto and manual tranny options.

    The day Subaru stops making manual transmissions is the day I switch to another company (assuming there are any left).

    -Frank P.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I was just trying to keep apples to apples comparison going is all.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Holy Cow! 40 million? Man, we got to call Universal to get us on film!

    Oh, that's right, our cars aren't pimped out! ;-)

    Frank: right on. There will always be someone, hopefully Subaru among them. BMW brags about offering manuals in its ads, and a Porsche without a proper manual just seems wrong.

    -juice
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    There were a couple of Japanese-spec Nissan Skylines (RHD) in F&F too. A few Integras, a Supra, and the red F150 Lightning. Actually, the dialogue wasn't too bad to my surprise. It was actually fairly interesting. The noise effects were good (high revving Honda engines) but too loud in the theatre that we were in. I had to cover one ear occassionally. I too, have a strange urge to watch it again, but I don't think I will ;-)

    I don't see how there can be a sequel though...there storyline has basically run out...that is unless O'connor goes undercover again.


    Drew
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Hmm, I thought those were 240SXs...maybe there were both.

    I also had to cover my ears some times. But c'mon, when he tells the guy he needs to double clutch to win a drag race? A lot of the tech talk was jibberish, too. And right at the beginning, he maxes out and then spins out, and the solution is - Nitrous? How 'bout an alignment?

    Don't get me wrong - cool movie, just don't take it too seriously and sit back and enjoy the cars.

    -juice
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    Yes, they had 240SXs as well as the Skylines (a yellow one for sure, right hand drive). That double clutching thing was rather stupid...blame it on the writers ;-). If the car catches on fire, and the NOS bottle blows, well, as you saw the results are ugly.

    I think what disturbed me the most was that in some of the shots, the drivers weren't wearing seatbelts. Not a good idea considering the target audience.


    Drew
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    P.S. Have you seen Swordfish? What the heck is that Viper-like right hand drive European sports car with the kewl paint job? They blew up an ML320 and an SL500.
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    image

    ...at 6-7pm Pacific/9-10 pm Eastern. Hope to see you there!
    http://www.edmunds.com/chat/subaruchat.html



    Drew
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Drew: they did show some of the seats up close. I think Sparco was a sponsor! ;-)

    Also, they had racing harnesses, too bad they didn't use them.

    Yes, I saw Swordfish too (I'm a movie buff). I believe that was a Chimeara (sp?).

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, TVR Chimeara:

    http://www.b-link.co.uk/talkingtvr/chimaera.htm

    -juice
  • 1subydown1togo1subydown1togo Member Posts: 348
    It was actually a TVR Tuscan Speed Six.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I stand corrected. Definitely that is it.

    The double bubble trunk is very unique looking.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    On a non-clutch dropping launch...

    XT6 v. WRX

    XT6 was about 1/2 car length to about 100ft, then on par for another 50-70ft, then over 200ft, the WRX took off. Tested this about 4x tonight with me and Scott's Mellow Yellow WRX. The only mod on the WRX was the silencer is off it and the driver weighs about 165lbs. I had my big butt, and a 170lb passenger, and some tools in the trunk. All in all, I'm pretty proud of that :)

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    A few posts back, in one of the other Subie topics, we got to talking about Studebaker, and the open-back Wagonaire came up. It just so happens that AutoWeek just did a piece on that very vehicle. Follow the AutoWeek links to that topic.

    Question: Should Subaru consider offering this feature on their Outback models?

    Bob

    http://www.AutoWeek.com/
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    by next Christmas.

    Bob

    http://www.autoweb.com.au/start_/showall_/id_SUB/doc_sub0106261/article.html
  • 1subydown1togo1subydown1togo Member Posts: 348
    I WANT !!! I WANT!!! ALSO 1 B4 TO GO PLEASE!!!
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    A thousand times yes! I feel the karma! Open up the back of the Legacy wagon! It's true - they ARE Japanese Studebakers!

    I'm extra giddy because I picked up my Lark from the upholsterers' this morning. It finally has carpet! Lovely burgundy loop carpeting with a heel pad, hole for the dimmer swicth and all! What a difference it makes too - car is much quieter and cooler, even in this heat, thanks to the insulation! Helps also that I laid some Dynamat in the floor before the carpet went in.

    Ed
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    tell us how you really feel... ;)

    I too think it's an idea worth exploring. How something like that would fit into the model lineup, especially with the upcoming STX pickup, is a good question though. I think there would also have to be safety/strength issues that would need to be addressed. It sure would make loading a bike on the roofrack a whole lot easier though.

    Bob
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Good concise Autoweek piece. Wagonaires still leak, even with new rubber.

    The closest thing I've seen to that concept in production was on the last generation BMW 5-series Touring. It had a big rear sunroof but the D-pillar was still in place. For any modern wagon it would require really beefing up the C pillar. I have no doubt that there are capable engineers who can do this.

    Does anyone here think that the Avalanche might cut into ST-X sales, even priced in the thirties?

    Ed
  • 1subydown1togo1subydown1togo Member Posts: 348
    How about some pics of the Lark for us to drool over?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Different size completely.

    The Avalanche will fit the STX in it's bed! :)

    -mike
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    There's a new thread in the station wagon section asking for pics of wagons or links to pics. Why don't you post some pics of Studebaker wagons there. I started by posting a link to pics of my WRX from over at i-club. Just a thought. :-)

    Stephen
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    juice had one of mine on his old web page - maybe it's still out there somewhere. My Stude isn't a wagon but a 4-door sedan. There are plenty of good Stude wagon pix out there - I'll post links.

    Mike: I see Avalanche pricing quoted in the range $31K-$36K. Will the ST-X come in at VDC/LLBean pricing (i.e. $31-33K)? If so some might opt to buy the larger Avalanche at that price. I do agree that some people place a priority of size over price.

    Ed
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Butt-ugly. Ok, maybe just "thigh" ugly! The Aztek has the "butt ugly" title all to itself. :-)

    Stephen
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    the Avalanche is a bit over the top in terms of styling. I do think it's a terrific concept. This is the first American pickup that really shows some clever ideas in the bed area. For that, I salute Chevy.

    In a related item, both Chevy and GMC have just introduced 1500HD crew cab models, with gvws of 8600 lbs. The only other 1/2 ton models with gvws that high was the 1/2 ton Suburban with the diesel option. And... Chevy, in addition to the 1/2 ton Avalanche, will also have a 3/4 ton (2500) Avalanche with the same 8600 gvw. It seems like GM is really loading up with "personal use" crew cabs. I'm convinced Chevy (and GMC) marketed the new crew cabs as 1500 series models, and not as 2500 models&#151;even though they ride on a 2500 chassis, because they believe more families will buy a 1500, and not a 2500 series for personal use. It's all a marketing game.

    Bob
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