Thanks for the review. I look forward to the next installment.
I just finished a Z7 wash. As I'm running low on my original purchase of Z2 & (to a lesser extent) Z5 I'm considering the ZAIO and ZCS to replace them so I appreciate the reviews of these products.
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Please help me figure out what stuff to use. I have a six year old black corvette that sits in the garage under cover most of the time....so it's a very clean car. I recently saw another black vette at a car show that had a great shine and the owner said he used Zaino. What are the products/process I need to go through as I see all kinds of numbers to describe the various products? (I'm confused!)
Visit zainostore.com to view products and information... My Zaino "Starter" kit was Z2 & Z5 w/ZFX and Z6. I just bought the "Maintenance Pack" which is A LOT of Z7 wash and a couple of Z6.
Good stuff, smells good too! But, time consuming.
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Funny you should mention that. I just did the whole process on a friend's '99 vette. Had a ton of surface scratches as she dry wiped often with a chamois. Took a couple of days but needless to say she is sold on Zaino (and doesn't dry wipe her car anymore with the chamois).
Z-12 Glass product: This is a great product that I highly recommend. We have used it on our cars, shower and for other purposes. Compared to other glass cleaning abrasives, Z-12 is much easier and cleaner to use. The only issue, Z-12 tends to leave white residue in the pits of a pitted windshield, it’s not a major issue and the residue will wash out. Keep that in mind if you plan to coat your windshield with a surface sealant.
Z-9 Leather cleaner: Another great product, I prefer it over Lexol. My GF bought her car from my parents and prior to the transfer my father wiped down the seats with Maguire’s leather wipes. The result was a greasy surface and the seats were still dirty. We cleaned the seats with Z-9, which removed the Maguire’s and made our towels black with dirt and grease. My only criticism of this product is the smell. I would prefer a more neutral smell rather than the so called leather sent that smells more like vinyl to me. Z-10 Leather conditioner: Yet again another great product. The seats look better then they have in a long time. Also again I am not a fan of the smell and made me hesitant to use it on my new car.
Z-16 perfect tire gloss: I have used many tire dressing products and I prefer Z-16. As the name suggests Z-16 does result in the perfect tire gloss, not greasy or overly glossy, a nice satin sheen. One nice feature is that you can control the level gloss by applying multiple coats. I have used Z-16 on clean and dirty tires with similar results. After using Z-16 I trashed all the other tire dressing I had collected over the years. The only other product I might consider is Lexol Vinylex.
Z-7 car wash: Of course I use Z-7 and have no complaints. Z-6 spray: Back when I used the original Z-2 I also used Z-6. At this point, with the method I now use, I do not believe this product is essential.
Next installment, my conclusion regarding Zaino products place in the confusing and overcrowded car care product market.
You still may want to use Z-6 for between washes and Z-AIO/Z-CS applications?
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What I've found that on the first coat either Z5 or Z2 comes out a little splotchy(must be my technique). I use the Z-6 to level everything out before proceeding to the next coat.
I consider myself lucky as I have a Zaino distributor who lives less than 5 minutes from my residence. What does that mean to me? No freight charges, running out of Z2 on a Sunday afternoon and picking more up with a phone call and a 10 minute drive. Not to mention the wealth of knowledge he has regarding the products that he sells.
I think I've had the same issue, mostly noticeable to me on the hood. Probably still using too much Z2/5?
Lucky you, being so close to the product distributo. The "only" $8.95 S & H charge doesn't seem too much the bargain to me. Another example of the financial cost of an addiction!
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When I first used Zaino products they were truly unique. If I remember correctly, at that time most Zaino comparisons were between Zymol and Meguiar's. The common outcome was that immediately after application Zaino may have not been more reflective or slick, but months down the road Z-2 was still in effect when others had quit. 8 years later I now think other products have greatly advanced and may have eliminated the endurance gap.
The recent consumer reports article covering auto wax/sealants highlights the progress the industry has accomplished. While Meguiar's rated middle of the pack, black magic and turtle wax led the group with products costing less than half Z-2. The mind altering chemicals in Zaino products that spawned the fanaticism associated with Zaino users may no longer have an effect on me. I now feel that Zaino is not light years ahead of the competition. My father waxed his car with the aforementioned black magic cleaner wax. The result was a slick, highly reflective surface that rivaled the multi step process I detailed in a previous post. Consider that his 4 year old car has never been clayed or subjected to other types of paint prep. I was astonished how slick the surface could feel without meticulous preparation.
My point, I still believe Zaino products are excellent products designed and manufactured with great care. Furthermore, Zaino appears to be more interested in performance over marketing and gimmicks. That being said, I would have a hard time justifying to a friend why they should invest time and money into the Zaino system. In fact I would probably recommend they use locally available products.
Again referring to the process I previously reported, I could replace Z-18 with clay magic, Z-PC with Meguiar's #9, Z-AIO with Black Magic Cleaner Wax, and omit the Z-CS step. In the end I would have more money in my pocket and not have to worry about ordering or running out of product. The Black Magic Cleaner Wax may not match Z-CS in endurance, but currently there is no evidence either way. Ultimately I will stay with Zaino mostly due to products not mentioned above. While Lexol Vinylex could replace Z-16, I cannot think of replacements for Z-12, Z-14, Z-9, or Z-10.
I am trying to convey that you can go with Zaino or local products and achieve similar results. Also, let’s not forget the wide range of other products available online. As always your mileage may vary and let your conscience be your guide.
No swirl marks in the Vette, but after that car it will be on to my black M35 which does have swirl marks....is their a particular Z for the swirls? Right now I bought Z-AIO, Z5, Z-CS, and Z-8; I just have to figure out what the proper sequence is which I'm thinking is AIO, CS and 8 for the Vette, and 5, AIO, CS and 8 for the M35........any input?
is that the products work so well with each other. While there is a preferred methodology of its use in sequence, out of sequence will have no ill effect. Your sequence will work.
The reason I asked about swirls is that without proper preparation you will not benefit from the use of Zaino products. While Z5 will fill in some of the swirls, in doing my friend's vette, I found the use of a Porter Cable 7424 as an absolute must to rid the swirls. It is against the house rules to post links to other sites so all I can say is to do a google on the porter cable which will lead you to various swirl removal kits available.
Also the removal of old wax products with the dawn, clay, dawn procedure is an absolute must on the vette and M35.
The Z-5 is for light scratches/swirlies. Although I think that there may be a more hardcore product for scratches/swirlies. Z-PC is it? Not sure, check the web site.
Just applied some Z-6 as it's a slow, Pleasant Valley Sunday here...
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I think it took me around 20 minutes. In the garage, listening to Springsteen. After shoveling, spreading mulch for over an hour, so the Z-6ing was a pleasure! Sure smells better than the mulch...
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Just a quick reminder of what Zaino offers for polishes and sealants.
*Z-PC Fusion: An abrasive polish used to remove swirl marks, light scratches, oxidation, etc. If your car has never been polished and you see defects in the paint, this is the first product to use in the process. It can be used by hand, dual action polisher or high speed rotary polisher. I've used it all three ways and have got excellent results. No protective ability, must be followed with one of the below products.
*Z-AIO: The closest product Zaino offers to a "cleaner wax" you find in stores. Very light polishing effect. Great paint cleaner (wait till you see how much dirt Z-AIO removes from your paint). Leaves a glossy Zaino shine which is a good base for their sealants. I love it on glass, wheels, chrome, etc. Protection and durability is as good, if not better, than any store bought product. I used it on a portion of my car and its lasted 5 months so far.
*Z-5Pro: No abrasive component. Has very light ability to fill in and hide minor swirls and paint marring. Will not remove or hide scratches, oxidation or other paint defects. Looks great on dark colored cars as its not quite as bright as Z2Pro. Superb durability and shine. Use after you've applied one of the above products.
*Z-2Pro: Similar to Z-5Pro but does not have swirl filling/hiding ability. Leaves a brighter, glossier finish than Z-5Pro and is ideal for light colors and metallics like silver and champagne gold. If you want that Zaino bling, this is your product.
*Z-CS Clear Seal: No abrasive or polishing ability. A true "wipe on/walk away" product. Works with other Zaino products or on top of most any car wax or sealant. Durability is between the traditional sealants like Z2 and Z5, and the spray products like Z-8. Use in conjunction with, or as a replacement, for Z2 and Z5.
*Z-8 Grand Finale: A spray sealant fully compatible with the above products. More durable than Z-6 but not as good a surface cleaner. Perfect for use after washing your car. Renews the shine created by the above products. Not as durable as Z-CS, Z-2 or Z-5 but better than almost every spray wax on the market. If your car is dusty, has fingerprints or very light surface crud on it, use Z-6 detail spray instead of Z-8 (cheaper and more efficient).
Hope this helps those trying to determine which Zaino product does what.
The AIO step and the claying step will have some overlap as the AIO will remove some of the surface contaminents and make the paint look and feel smoother. So if you don't have the time to clay, AIO will work OK.
The new Z-2Pro is a noticable advance over the previous versions, esp in ease of use and less "finickiness". If your Z-2 is less than 5 years old, I'd say use it up. If its old product, consider getting a new bottle.
Bret: I've been using, on my dark blue TL, ZFX enabled Z5/Z2 final coats w/Z-6 in between. I just began using the Z-7 wash.
As my Z2/Z5/ZFX is running low, if I went Z-AIO/Z-CS, do you think I would get similar gloss/protection and longevity to the Z2/5 applications? Do you use Z-6 after Z-AIO, before Z-CS (and after Z-CS)?
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As my Z2/Z5/ZFX is running low, if I went Z-AIO/Z-CS, do you think I would get similar gloss/protection and longevity to the Z2/5 applications?
Good question. It's a little hard to say for sure as Z-CS is still a new product whereas Z-2 and Z-5 are well established. Z-CS is certainly easier to use (no need for ZFX, no wipe off of product) so even if Z-CS wasn't quite as durable as Z-2/Z-5, it might be a good choice if you're considering an upgrade, as it were.
Do you use Z-6 after Z-AIO, before Z-CS (and after Z-CS)?
Umm.... neither. If I wiped off AIO well enough there should be no residue to remove with Z-6. A little dust won't hurt anything IMO. But if I were to use Z-6 in that process, it would be after the AIO removal and prior to Z-CS application. I would not use Z-6 *after* Z-CS as its counterproductive. The paint should be perfect when Z-CS has dried and cured.
Thanks. So potentially eliminating Z-6 and another step. You wouldn't continue to use Z-6 for "touch-ups between washes," to temporarily enhance the gloss?
My next car will be a lighter color. I hate having a dirty car, that shows that it is dirty. So, the Abyss Blue color, when Zaino shiny is fab, but when dirty I am sad... And winter's on its way here in New England... But, break out the skis!
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Thanks Bret - the Z2 is a late 2005 vintage. I'll order the AIO to use as my base and layer the Z2 over it. I have some Z-FX from 2004 - that's probably gotten a little funky I'm sure.
You wouldn't continue to use Z-6 for "touch-ups between washes," to temporarily enhance the gloss?
While Z-8 is best suited for this job, certainly keep using Z-6 if you're happy with it.
Think of Z-8 as the gloss enhancer/booster and Z-6 as the light surface cleaner with a little bit of gloss enhancement. Z-8 creates more shine and lasts longer than Z-6. I don't care for spray products but I use Z-8 all the time. I've even traded bottles of Z-6 for it as I don't use Z-6 nearly as much as I used to with Z-8 now available.
Anyway, something to consider. Def keep doing what you're doing if it's workin' for ya.
Thanks, again. I just bought the "Maintenance Pack" so I've got two full bottles of Z-6. And four Z-7! This should last me quite some time. I wash my TL (as weather allows here in NE, go Pats! Go Sox!) about once a week.
Evil wife's almost 6 year old RX300 I take to the dealer for "free" hand washes, no Zaino. Gave it a coat of Black Magic, as it's a white car, looks good.
So, maybe I'll order the "Triplets" pack? No, gotta stop. Save money for the Jag XK. Or XF. Or S5. Or 335i. Or kids college education... nah.
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Dull, as in appearance (shine)? Or dull as in Camry?
The TL is too cool for school...! :shades:
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LOL!! Since we are talking about sealants and stuff I mean dull as in appearance. Isn't the TL getting a S Type in '07 or '08? or is that old news? Haven't kept up with Acura in awhile.
'07 saw the re-introduction of the TL-S. I believe '09 debuts the new TL w/rumors of SH-AWD and 300hp...
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For those of you who have used Z-CS... I applied this to my car as the first Zaino product, and while I used it sparingly, it took me at least an hour to complete the job. What I found is that when wiping the panel with the applicator, you would get streaks of the fluid on the paint which required vigorous and repeated rubbing with the applicator to smooth into a continuous film. By the time this amount of rubbing had been done, the fluid dried. The car looks nice, but this was no "easy 5 minute" job. Did I do it wrong? Are you literally supposed to just wipe it without rubbing it into the paint and just leave it there streaking?
To put it bluntly, yes, you did it wrong. Apply it EXACTLY the way the instructions say. It really is that simple. You worked waaaayyyyy too hard at this one. I've used it according to the instructions below and it worked beautifully.
This is what the Zaino website says for instructions:
APPLICATION INSTRUCTIONS
Note: Z-CS should be used very SPARINGLY. LESS than 1/4 oz can complete an average vehicle.
You will achieve the best results with Z-CS over clean and dry surfaces. Thoroughly clean and dry all surfaces.
Mist a #314 cotton applicator pad with Z-CS 1 time to preload the pad with product. Do not use an applicator pad that has been used with ANY other product. If you choose to reuse an applicator pad that has already been used with only Z-CS, store it in a sealed Ziploc style bag between uses. Holding sprayer about 4 inches from the surface, lightly spray Z-CS once directly onto the panel, avoiding any overspray. Work Z-CS into the paint evenly with the applicator pad using overlapping motions one section (18-24" area) at a time.
Allow product to fully dry. DO NOT BUFF OR WIPE OFF. Sit back and relax while Z-CS does the work! Just apply and let dry!
Thanks for your input, but I did read the instructions, and believed that I was following them. The key is one's interpretation of "work into the paint evenly"... What I am saying is that to achieve an evenness to the film, I had to rub pretty hard and for a while (30 sec. or so per 18" area) and by the time I had "worked it into the paint" it had already dried. I guess my question is will this work if one literally just wipes ONCE over the misted surface and then moves on to the next area.
Beginning with my very first car, I've taken pride in the appearance of my vehicles. Historically, I've used traditional caranuba waxes on my cars, Mequire's Cleaner Wax in particular.
Recently, I've read a lot about Zaino and seen all of the discussion/debate about these products. Last week, I finally decided to order some of there products and try them out on my new vehicle.
I used Z-AIO and Z-2 this weekend, and I'm now a huge fan. I can't see myself ever using another polishing product line again. Simply put, this stuff is fantastic.
For one, both of these products went on and came off very easily. I found them much easier to apply than traditional wax. I read a lot about how difficult it is to apply a thin layer, low long it took to dry, and that it was tough to remove. But I did not experience any of these problems.
Secondly, it was great that I could apply these products to virtually every surface of the car, without fear of getting white wax residue all over the black trim. Simply apply to ALL non-porous surfaces. Everything is protected and I didn't spend lots of time carefully avoiding the trim.
In particular, I found Z-AIO to be an outstanding product. I was amazed at how surface imperfections/contaminants were effortlessly removed. There were several waterspots left from drying, which came off immediately. I also had what I think was adhesive residue (from the plastic sheets they use to protect cars during shipping), which also came right off.
Lastly, the shine was unbelievable. While I can't say that it was better than traditional wax, it was definitely as good, with less effort. And if it lasts as long as everyone claims, it will prove far superior to wax.
If you maintain your car yourself, I would highly recommend these Zaino products. I was skeptical at first, so I only ordered these two products, but I will definitely be ordering more in the future (the car wash, tire shine, and maybe the Clear Seal)
I just went a little overboard and bought the Maintenance Pack, 4 Z-7(Car Wash) and 2 Z-6. Since a little goes a long way, and I won't be hand washing much in the New England winter months, this should last a looooooooooooong time...
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I see your point! Far too many things in life are open to interpretation :-)
I wipe back-and-forth a couple of times and then move on. The product definitely has not dried before I move on - kind of looks like an uneven oil slick on the paint, but that magically disappears leaving that fantastic Zaino shine!
Takes me no more than 5 minutes to do my entire car (black Chevy Impala).
OK, you've convinced me I did it wrong. I'm starting to worry that with my compulsive rubbing, I actually rubbed all the sealant off my paint! I guess this weekend I'll just have to wash it and do it again...
LOL - I doubt you rubbed it off, but there's never a downside to putting on another coat of Zaino. Some people on this board have been known to put on over a dozen layers... :surprise:
Yeah, I probably hit the dozen mark about 6-8 applications ago. But, that's over three years, so I'm not addicted. I can quit anytime I want. Right after I use up all four bottles of Z-7 probably...not.
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I think you are absolutely right, I noticed the same problem. I sprayed then wiped the Z-CS and it did not coat the surface evenly. It took additional rubbing and more Z-CS then what the instructions indicated. After that it took a long time to dry and left streaks. I did not feel comfortable using the minimal amount recommended after I noticed how much of the surface did not appear to be covered. The only Zaino paint product I have used that was not difficult to apply was Z-AIO.
Just yesterday I ran across a thread that proclaimed the wonders of Zaino. Rather than search thru 311 pages of threads on the topic, I beg your indulgence on taking the easy route and asking these questions rather than doing several hours of reading. (FYI - this is my wife's vehicle. I drive a 4x4 pickup so dirt and a grimy exterior are the norm therefore I am ignorant on proper paint care.)
I recently purchased an used (4k mi) 07 Infiniti G35x in a Blue Slate color for my wife. This car looks fantastic in the dusk/dawn light but in full sunlight the paint can appear a tad "swirly". It sounds like a sequence of washing with Dawn, multiple passes with various Zaino products, then waxing will have my car looking better than new.
Can someone suggest which Zaino products I should buy, which order to apply them, any application tips, and which wax to buy?
What about the Total Protection Kit ($84.70) or the Ultimate Protection Kit ($116.95)?
I read that Zaino is a "polish". Does this mean it contains abrasives? Can improper use damage your paint? I know this is basic but I've never used Zaino before and I want to be sure I can't screw it up.
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Zaino contains no abrasives. Using fillers to fill the scratches as with Z5. However, they now have a product that will allow you to "buff" out light scratches in preparation for the Z5,Z6,Z2 thingy.
Even an ever-so-slightly used car will need a little polishing and paint cleaning. At a minimum I'd recommend the following:
WASH: Zaino Z7 shampoo or any other top notch auto shampoo. Meguiars and Mothers make very good products you can get at Walmart or an auto parts store.
POLISH: Pretty much every car needs a little polishing. If you want to keep it simple, use Zaino All In One which offers light polishing ability with some protection. If your car has more serious swirl marks, try Zaino ZPC Fusion polish. It's more aggressive than ZAIO but hardly a compound or anything that will damage your paint. On new cars usually the ZAIO is all you need.
PROTECTION: Here you have some choices depending on how much effort and money you want to expend. The simplest route is to use Zaino Clear Seal. This is a straightforward "wipe on and walk away" product. Nothing to remove, nothing to polish off, and certainly no chalky dusty residue. Clear Seal ain't cheap but it sure is easy and works great. Alternatively, you can use Zaino Z2 or Z5. Not a lot of differences between these products; Z2 leaves a very bright mirrory shine, Z5 looks a little more like a rich carnauba wax and will fill in very light paint swirls. I prefer the extra bling of Z2 but Z5 looks great. You'll be happy with either one, I'm sure.
MAINTENANCE: Taking care of all your hard detailing work ensures the shine and protection last as long as possible. Regular hand washing with Z7 is very important. Light dust, bird doo, fingerprints, etc can be safely removed with Z6 detail spray. A post-wash boost using Z8 Grand Finale will extend the life of the sealant for months and restore that just-detailed shine. Consider these products before you buy.
OTHER STUFF: Obviously car detailing encompasses a lot more than just getting the paint shiny. Wheels can be polished and protected with ZAIO and one of the sealants. You will find less build up of brake dust and the wheels will clean easier. Zaino Z16 tire gloss is one of the best I've ever used, and I've tested dozens. It's safe for tires as its water based (no silicone oily stuff) and will keep your tires nice and black for weeks. Zaino leather care products, Z9 and Z10, are fantastic. Mild, safe and effective, they can be used often and do not leave a slippery, shiny residue like a lot of store bought leather care products.
Finally, regardless of what products you buy, I highly recommend investing in microfiber towels for polishing and cleaning. If you've never used microfiber, you have no idea how much they've revolutionized car detailing. If you want to dabble in them, check out the Vroom line of products at Target. If you want to jump in with both feet, check out PakShak (http://www.pakshak.com/) for probably the best towels you can buy and top notch customer service.
This should get you started. Feel free to ask questions. We'll keep a closer eye on this place.
I just bought a new Altima - Black. I also have a black frontier 06. The 06 was purchased during the winter months and washed using the two bucket method but has considerable swirls when out in the light. The Altima is brand new, under 100 miles on it, but driven several times in the rain then rinsed (while it was raining). This weekend is out, it is going to rain all weekend.
I am very paranoid to wash this car as I do not want to inflict damage however it will be necessary. Before I do though I need advice as to where to start.
Question: What should one do FIRST when they buy a new car? It is going to need washed, so I want to know the best method...even the craziest sounding if need be, to ensure I do the best not to create swirls. Then I want to protect it from further issues and protect it properly with the right products.
I have an idea what I need to do with my truck to restore it's finish. It's really not that bad but getting there quick. Even using the two bucket method, I have significant marks. I also have about 6 VERY small hardly noticeable dings in the hood from 1. thin nissan metal and 2. cinders from a 1980s cavalier that HAD to pass me on a mountain pass, almost killed himself and of course blew cinders all over my car and even put many little indentations into my front grill plastics. I hope he would swerve off but alas, I'm pretty sure this guy is still terrorizing people on the streets.
Also, why is there a thread that says NO ZAINO talk? Is Zaino good for some and bad to others?
LAST - I do not want to do ANYTHING that will remove layers of clear coat. My neighbor a detailer, swore by certain products for his Honda, he would use different things several times a year until one year he was in a panic because he apparently finally cut through totally into his paint from removing too much clearcoat. I DEFINITELY do NOT want to get into this with the new car, but might be willing to do it with my truck then do some method to protect it from there in and just be careful. Might even switch to the 3 bucket method.
Thank you very much! (as per mr. shiftright, I'm posting in here from answers/ask)
Welcome sincraft. If you noticed the post previous to yours bret did a pretty good job summarizing the Zaino procedure.
There is one thing to note though as Z5 will fill in minor swirls, if it was left by the dealer or someone else washing the car like a car wash you may have no choice but to remove a light layer of clearcoat. From what you've described of your neighbor it took many times before he cut through the clearcoat as most car manufacturers actually put on a pretty thick coat of clear.
As to the two topics for Zaino and no Zaino that goes back awhile. It's more like enthusiasts vs. nonenthusiasts. Some don't really care if they have scratches and swirls and some do. The inital procedure with Zaino takes some time but the rewards are there.
Most Zaino enthusiasts will tell the dealer not to prep the outside of the car as they do far more damage then good as you can imagine what type of people will actually clean your car using things I wouldn't use to clean the doghouse.
One thing for sure with those black vehicles with scratches already installed you're going to need a Porter Cable 7424 polisher. No two ways about that.
There are a lot of enthusiasts here and can help with any questions you may have. So post away.
Thanks! My brother has a cyclo buffer and said Zaino was a good brand too. He polishes aircraft that are much older than cars and worth 40 times at the very least. Must be good stuff right.
That said, I think I am going to forgo cutting into the clearcoat on the Altima and would love advice on how to properly prep it for a sealer/finishing agent. I really don't want my first shot using these products and a buffer, not to mention cutting into a clearcoat to be on a brand new car. I will live with the very minor swirls that are on there now. The dealership did a FAR better job cleaning the car that most did.
Funny I thought I was going crazy until I came here. The dealers looked at me like I was crazy when I was inspecting the car on my hands and knees with my face 6" from the paint.
Then there is your comment about the dealers method of washing cars. Can I use that? My thing was to try to convey the thoughts of a nose ringed kid with purple hair, holding his pants up with his left hand while picking up the wash rag he has been using all day off the gritting sandy ground to wash the cars with.
I watched them washing cars outside one day while I was eating fast food across teh street. I think the one guy honestly dropped the wash rag off his hand 2 times for every car. They went down the line with a hose, 3 towels, a bucket and a bottle of soap. They must have done 6 or 7 cars in the time I was watching! :O
So I guess I'm going to have to wait for my products to arrive as there are no good products available local? I know they have 'some' megiuers at the advance auto down the street but not sure what they have. If I remember correctly, I had to hit like 7 stores to find pure carnuba from mothers, which I think I found at walmart - not any autoparts stores. Pretty sad eh?
Any merit to these towels they sell on there too? I have some really nice BIG microfiber towels that are nice and thick that I picked up from Target of all places.
is Meguiars Gold car wash. Since you will be removing ALL the wax from the car to prep for Zaino, I don't see any reason to purchase any more carnuba products.
While the Porter Cable will cut some clear coat, depending on what you use and which pad, it could be also used for cleaning the paint. That being said I won't mention it again.
If you check the Zaino site, there should be a link to local distributors. Lucky for me one lives about 5 minutes away. If not ordering online will get you your products in a couple of days.
Did you have a chance to look over the product list at Zaino.com? I wouldn't order all of them at the beginning as you said the car has a 100 miles on it shouldn't be too bad.
Anyway - no I have two cars that need the 'stuff'. The Frontier has alot of swirling etc.
And yes I had a chance to look at the Zaino products. I ran out the door this afternoon and am going to revisit the site and possibly order now. Not a big fan on being dependent on an online resource however.
We were in the shopping mall today, they actually opened a small new car store. The products were the same ole same old you would find at advance, no buffers, really nothing of quality in there. It's par for the course of what to expect around here.
What about the ULTIMATE kit by Zaino? I see people recommending a clay bar for brand new cars? Why? I told a guy I knew that was into fine detailing about that and he said that there are too many people quick to ruin their paint but didn't give really good answer...
I've read that review before. On my Red Titan I use Meguiars NXT which is polymer based and I'm quite satisfied with it.
That being said I am not a Zaino zealot, not close by any means. However with black paint you will not find anything better in terms of longevity, reflectivity, and that wetness look. Course I'm anal and I removed all the scratches from all the vehicles prior to starting with Zaino. I truely believe that you simply can't fill scratches with either Meguiars or with Zaino. It just simply doesn't work.
Secondly, I don't use the absorber or microfiber to dry my vehicles, rather an electric 230 mph blower which dries the car really fast and causes no abrasion with the vehicle being "wiped" dry.
You will find a Zaino topic on almost all the enthusiasts boards including Viper, Corvette, even LS1.com. That many enthusiasts can't be wrong.
Since Zaino has been around for awhile, I've been using it since 2000 there are many, many postings on how to use and what to buy. This post is one of the best I've seen.
If I was that Porche owner I would have removed those swirls before using Zaino vs. Meguiars and get a true look at what it should be and not try to bypass a step by using scratch fillers. Course to each their own.
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I just finished a Z7 wash. As I'm running low on my original purchase of Z2 & (to a lesser extent) Z5 I'm considering the ZAIO and ZCS to replace them so I appreciate the reviews of these products.
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Good stuff, smells good too!
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First question: Do you have swirl marks?
Z-9 Leather cleaner: Another great product, I prefer it over Lexol. My GF bought her car from my parents and prior to the transfer my father wiped down the seats with Maguire’s leather wipes. The result was a greasy surface and the seats were still dirty. We cleaned the seats with Z-9, which removed the Maguire’s and made our towels black with dirt and grease. My only criticism of this product is the smell. I would prefer a more neutral smell rather than the so called leather sent that smells more like vinyl to me.
Z-10 Leather conditioner: Yet again another great product. The seats look better then they have in a long time. Also again I am not a fan of the smell and made me hesitant to use it on my new car.
Z-16 perfect tire gloss: I have used many tire dressing products and I prefer Z-16. As the name suggests Z-16 does result in the perfect tire gloss, not greasy or overly glossy, a nice satin sheen. One nice feature is that you can control the level gloss by applying multiple coats. I have used Z-16 on clean and dirty tires with similar results. After using Z-16 I trashed all the other tire dressing I had collected over the years. The only other product I might consider is Lexol Vinylex.
Z-7 car wash: Of course I use Z-7 and have no complaints.
Z-6 spray: Back when I used the original Z-2 I also used Z-6. At this point, with the method I now use, I do not believe this product is essential.
Next installment, my conclusion regarding Zaino products place in the confusing and overcrowded car care product market.
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I consider myself lucky as I have a Zaino distributor who lives less than 5 minutes from my residence. What does that mean to me? No freight charges, running out of Z2 on a Sunday afternoon and picking more up with a phone call and a 10 minute drive. Not to mention the wealth of knowledge he has regarding the products that he sells.
Lucky you, being so close to the product distributo. The "only" $8.95 S & H charge doesn't seem too much the bargain to me. Another example of the financial cost of an addiction!
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The recent consumer reports article covering auto wax/sealants highlights the progress the industry has accomplished. While Meguiar's rated middle of the pack, black magic and turtle wax led the group with products costing less than half Z-2. The mind altering chemicals in Zaino products that spawned the fanaticism associated with Zaino users may no longer have an effect on me. I now feel that Zaino is not light years ahead of the competition. My father waxed his car with the aforementioned black magic cleaner wax. The result was a slick, highly reflective surface that rivaled the multi step process I detailed in a previous post. Consider that his 4 year old car has never been clayed or subjected to other types of paint prep. I was astonished how slick the surface could feel without meticulous preparation.
My point, I still believe Zaino products are excellent products designed and manufactured with great care. Furthermore, Zaino appears to be more interested in performance over marketing and gimmicks. That being said, I would have a hard time justifying to a friend why they should invest time and money into the Zaino system. In fact I would probably recommend they use locally available products.
Again referring to the process I previously reported, I could replace Z-18 with clay magic, Z-PC with Meguiar's #9, Z-AIO with Black Magic Cleaner Wax, and omit the Z-CS step. In the end I would have more money in my pocket and not have to worry about ordering or running out of product. The Black Magic Cleaner Wax may not match Z-CS in endurance, but currently there is no evidence either way. Ultimately I will stay with Zaino mostly due to products not mentioned above. While Lexol Vinylex could replace Z-16, I cannot think of replacements for Z-12, Z-14, Z-9, or Z-10.
I am trying to convey that you can go with Zaino or local products and achieve similar results. Also, let’s not forget the wide range of other products available online. As always your mileage may vary and let your conscience be your guide.
Right now I bought Z-AIO, Z5, Z-CS, and Z-8; I just have to figure out what the proper sequence is which I'm thinking is AIO, CS and 8 for the Vette, and 5, AIO, CS and 8 for the M35........any input?
The reason I asked about swirls is that without proper preparation you will not benefit from the use of Zaino products. While Z5 will fill in some of the swirls, in doing my friend's vette, I found the use of a Porter Cable 7424 as an absolute must to rid the swirls. It is against the house rules to post links to other sites so all I can say is to do a google on the porter cable which will lead you to various swirl removal kits available.
Also the removal of old wax products with the dawn, clay, dawn procedure is an absolute must on the vette and M35.
Just applied some Z-6 as it's a slow, Pleasant Valley Sunday here...
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*Z-PC Fusion: An abrasive polish used to remove swirl marks, light scratches, oxidation, etc. If your car has never been polished and you see defects in the paint, this is the first product to use in the process. It can be used by hand, dual action polisher or high speed rotary polisher. I've used it all three ways and have got excellent results. No protective ability, must be followed with one of the below products.
*Z-AIO: The closest product Zaino offers to a "cleaner wax" you find in stores. Very light polishing effect. Great paint cleaner (wait till you see how much dirt Z-AIO removes from your paint). Leaves a glossy Zaino shine which is a good base for their sealants. I love it on glass, wheels, chrome, etc. Protection and durability is as good, if not better, than any store bought product. I used it on a portion of my car and its lasted 5 months so far.
*Z-5Pro: No abrasive component. Has very light ability to fill in and hide minor swirls and paint marring. Will not remove or hide scratches, oxidation or other paint defects. Looks great on dark colored cars as its not quite as bright as Z2Pro. Superb durability and shine. Use after you've applied one of the above products.
*Z-2Pro: Similar to Z-5Pro but does not have swirl filling/hiding ability. Leaves a brighter, glossier finish than Z-5Pro and is ideal for light colors and metallics like silver and champagne gold. If you want that Zaino bling, this is your product.
*Z-CS Clear Seal: No abrasive or polishing ability. A true "wipe on/walk away" product. Works with other Zaino products or on top of most any car wax or sealant. Durability is between the traditional sealants like Z2 and Z5, and the spray products like Z-8. Use in conjunction with, or as a replacement, for Z2 and Z5.
*Z-8 Grand Finale: A spray sealant fully compatible with the above products. More durable than Z-6 but not as good a surface cleaner. Perfect for use after washing your car. Renews the shine created by the above products. Not as durable as Z-CS, Z-2 or Z-5 but better than almost every spray wax on the market. If your car is dusty, has fingerprints or very light surface crud on it, use Z-6 detail spray instead of Z-8 (cheaper and more efficient).
Hope this helps those trying to determine which Zaino product does what.
Do you think the Z-AIO would replace claying?
Also, I have some plain Z-2 - is the Pro an improved formula?
The new Z-2Pro is a noticable advance over the previous versions, esp in ease of use and less "finickiness". If your Z-2 is less than 5 years old, I'd say use it up. If its old product, consider getting a new bottle.
Hope this helps!
Bret: I've been using, on my dark blue TL, ZFX enabled Z5/Z2 final coats w/Z-6 in between. I just began using the Z-7 wash.
As my Z2/Z5/ZFX is running low, if I went Z-AIO/Z-CS, do you think I would get similar gloss/protection and longevity to the Z2/5 applications? Do you use Z-6 after Z-AIO, before Z-CS (and after Z-CS)?
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Good question. It's a little hard to say for sure as Z-CS is still a new product whereas Z-2 and Z-5 are well established. Z-CS is certainly easier to use (no need for ZFX, no wipe off of product) so even if Z-CS wasn't quite as durable as Z-2/Z-5, it might be a good choice if you're considering an upgrade, as it were.
Do you use Z-6 after Z-AIO, before Z-CS (and after Z-CS)?
Umm.... neither. If I wiped off AIO well enough there should be no residue to remove with Z-6. A little dust won't hurt anything IMO. But if I were to use Z-6 in that process, it would be after the AIO removal and prior to Z-CS application. I would not use Z-6 *after* Z-CS as its counterproductive. The paint should be perfect when Z-CS has dried and cured.
My next car will be a lighter color. I hate having a dirty car, that shows that it is dirty. So, the Abyss Blue color, when Zaino shiny is fab, but when dirty I am sad... And winter's on its way here in New England... But, break out the skis!
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While Z-8 is best suited for this job, certainly keep using Z-6 if you're happy with it.
Think of Z-8 as the gloss enhancer/booster and Z-6 as the light surface cleaner with a little bit of gloss enhancement. Z-8 creates more shine and lasts longer than Z-6. I don't care for spray products but I use Z-8 all the time. I've even traded bottles of Z-6 for it as I don't use Z-6 nearly as much as I used to with Z-8 now available.
Anyway, something to consider. Def keep doing what you're doing if it's workin' for ya.
Evil wife's almost 6 year old RX300 I take to the dealer for "free" hand washes, no Zaino. Gave it a coat of Black Magic, as it's a white car, looks good.
So, maybe I'll order the "Triplets" pack? No, gotta stop. Save money for the Jag XK. Or XF. Or S5. Or 335i. Or kids college education... nah.
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What good is a college education is you have to drive a dull car. :P
The TL is too cool for school...! :shades:
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This is what the Zaino website says for instructions:
APPLICATION INSTRUCTIONS
Note: Z-CS should be used very SPARINGLY. LESS than 1/4 oz can complete an average vehicle.
You will achieve the best results with Z-CS over clean and dry surfaces. Thoroughly clean and dry all surfaces.
Mist a #314 cotton applicator pad with Z-CS 1 time to preload the pad with product. Do not use an applicator pad that has been used with ANY other product. If you choose to reuse an applicator pad that has already been used with only Z-CS, store it in a sealed Ziploc style bag between uses. Holding sprayer about 4 inches from the surface, lightly spray Z-CS once directly onto the panel, avoiding any overspray. Work Z-CS into the paint evenly with the applicator pad using overlapping motions one section (18-24" area) at a time.
Allow product to fully dry. DO NOT BUFF OR WIPE OFF. Sit back and relax while Z-CS does the work! Just apply and let dry!
Recently, I've read a lot about Zaino and seen all of the discussion/debate about these products. Last week, I finally decided to order some of there products and try them out on my new vehicle.
I used Z-AIO and Z-2 this weekend, and I'm now a huge fan. I can't see myself ever using another polishing product line again. Simply put, this stuff is fantastic.
For one, both of these products went on and came off very easily. I found them much easier to apply than traditional wax. I read a lot about how difficult it is to apply a thin layer, low long it took to dry, and that it was tough to remove. But I did not experience any of these problems.
Secondly, it was great that I could apply these products to virtually every surface of the car, without fear of getting white wax residue all over the black trim. Simply apply to ALL non-porous surfaces. Everything is protected and I didn't spend lots of time carefully avoiding the trim.
In particular, I found Z-AIO to be an outstanding product. I was amazed at how surface imperfections/contaminants were effortlessly removed. There were several waterspots left from drying, which came off immediately. I also had what I think was adhesive residue (from the plastic sheets they use to protect cars during shipping), which also came right off.
Lastly, the shine was unbelievable. While I can't say that it was better than traditional wax, it was definitely as good, with less effort. And if it lasts as long as everyone claims, it will prove far superior to wax.
If you maintain your car yourself, I would highly recommend these Zaino products. I was skeptical at first, so I only ordered these two products, but I will definitely be ordering more in the future (the car wash, tire shine, and maybe the Clear Seal)
I just went a little overboard and bought the Maintenance Pack, 4 Z-7(Car Wash) and 2 Z-6. Since a little goes a long way, and I won't be hand washing much in the New England winter months, this should last a looooooooooooong time...
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I wipe back-and-forth a couple of times and then move on. The product definitely has not dried before I move on - kind of looks like an uneven oil slick on the paint, but that magically disappears leaving that fantastic Zaino shine!
Takes me no more than 5 minutes to do my entire car (black Chevy Impala).
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I recently purchased an used (4k mi) 07 Infiniti G35x in a Blue Slate color for my wife. This car looks fantastic in the dusk/dawn light but in full sunlight the paint can appear a tad "swirly". It sounds like a sequence of washing with Dawn, multiple passes with various Zaino products, then waxing will have my car looking better than new.
Can someone suggest which Zaino products I should buy, which order to apply them, any application tips, and which wax to buy?
What about the Total Protection Kit ($84.70) or the Ultimate Protection Kit ($116.95)?
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Even an ever-so-slightly used car will need a little polishing and paint cleaning. At a minimum I'd recommend the following:
WASH: Zaino Z7 shampoo or any other top notch auto shampoo. Meguiars and Mothers make very good products you can get at Walmart or an auto parts store.
CLAY: Even new cars can benefit from paint detailing clay. Zaino Z18 is an excellent clay bar and its super easy to use. If you've never used paint detailing clay, here is Zaino's tutorial: http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=TIPS&Store_Code=Z
POLISH: Pretty much every car needs a little polishing. If you want to keep it simple, use Zaino All In One which offers light polishing ability with some protection. If your car has more serious swirl marks, try Zaino ZPC Fusion polish. It's more aggressive than ZAIO but hardly a compound or anything that will damage your paint. On new cars usually the ZAIO is all you need.
PROTECTION: Here you have some choices depending on how much effort and money you want to expend. The simplest route is to use Zaino Clear Seal. This is a straightforward "wipe on and walk away" product. Nothing to remove, nothing to polish off, and certainly no chalky dusty residue. Clear Seal ain't cheap but it sure is easy and works great. Alternatively, you can use Zaino Z2 or Z5. Not a lot of differences between these products; Z2 leaves a very bright mirrory shine, Z5 looks a little more like a rich carnauba wax and will fill in very light paint swirls. I prefer the extra bling of Z2 but Z5 looks great. You'll be happy with either one, I'm sure.
MAINTENANCE: Taking care of all your hard detailing work ensures the shine and protection last as long as possible. Regular hand washing with Z7 is very important. Light dust, bird doo, fingerprints, etc can be safely removed with Z6 detail spray. A post-wash boost using Z8 Grand Finale will extend the life of the sealant for months and restore that just-detailed shine. Consider these products before you buy.
OTHER STUFF: Obviously car detailing encompasses a lot more than just getting the paint shiny. Wheels can be polished and protected with ZAIO and one of the sealants. You will find less build up of brake dust and the wheels will clean easier. Zaino Z16 tire gloss is one of the best I've ever used, and I've tested dozens. It's safe for tires as its water based (no silicone oily stuff) and will keep your tires nice and black for weeks. Zaino leather care products, Z9 and Z10, are fantastic. Mild, safe and effective, they can be used often and do not leave a slippery, shiny residue like a lot of store bought leather care products.
Finally, regardless of what products you buy, I highly recommend investing in microfiber towels for polishing and cleaning. If you've never used microfiber, you have no idea how much they've revolutionized car detailing. If you want to dabble in them, check out the Vroom line of products at Target. If you want to jump in with both feet, check out PakShak (http://www.pakshak.com/) for probably the best towels you can buy and top notch customer service.
This should get you started. Feel free to ask questions. We'll keep a closer eye on this place.
The Altima is brand new, under 100 miles on it, but driven several times in the rain then rinsed (while it was raining). This weekend is out, it is going to rain all weekend.
I am very paranoid to wash this car as I do not want to inflict damage however it will be necessary. Before I do though I need advice as to where to start.
Question: What should one do FIRST when they buy a new car? It is going to need washed, so I want to know the best method...even the craziest sounding if need be, to ensure I do the best not to create swirls. Then I want to protect it from further issues and protect it properly with the right products.
I have an idea what I need to do with my truck to restore it's finish. It's really not that bad but getting there quick. Even using the two bucket method, I have significant marks. I also have about 6 VERY small hardly noticeable dings in the hood from 1. thin nissan metal and 2. cinders from a 1980s cavalier that HAD to pass me on a mountain pass, almost killed himself and of course blew cinders all over my car and even put many little indentations into my front grill plastics. I hope he would swerve off but alas, I'm pretty sure this guy is still terrorizing people on the streets.
Also, why is there a thread that says NO ZAINO talk? Is Zaino good for some and bad to others?
LAST - I do not want to do ANYTHING that will remove layers of clear coat. My neighbor a detailer, swore by certain products for his Honda, he would use different things several times a year until one year he was in a panic because he apparently finally cut through totally into his paint from removing too much clearcoat. I DEFINITELY do NOT want to get into this with the new car, but might be willing to do it with my truck then do some method to protect it from there in and just be careful. Might even switch to the 3 bucket method.
Thank you very much!
(as per mr. shiftright, I'm posting in here from answers/ask)
There is one thing to note though as Z5 will fill in minor swirls, if it was left by the dealer or someone else washing the car like a car wash you may have no choice but to remove a light layer of clearcoat. From what you've described of your neighbor it took many times before he cut through the clearcoat as most car manufacturers actually put on a pretty thick coat of clear.
As to the two topics for Zaino and no Zaino that goes back awhile. It's more like enthusiasts vs. nonenthusiasts. Some don't really care if they have scratches and swirls and some do. The inital procedure with Zaino takes some time but the rewards are there.
Most Zaino enthusiasts will tell the dealer not to prep the outside of the car as they do far more damage then good as you can imagine what type of people will actually clean your car using things I wouldn't use to clean the doghouse.
One thing for sure with those black vehicles with scratches already installed you're going to need a Porter Cable 7424 polisher. No two ways about that.
There are a lot of enthusiasts here and can help with any questions you may have. So post away.
My brother has a cyclo buffer and said Zaino was a good brand too. He polishes aircraft that are much older than cars and worth 40 times at the very least. Must be good stuff right.
That said, I think I am going to forgo cutting into the clearcoat on the Altima and would love advice on how to properly prep it for a sealer/finishing agent. I really don't want my first shot using these products and a buffer, not to mention cutting into a clearcoat to be on a brand new car. I will live with the very minor swirls that are on there now. The dealership did a FAR better job cleaning the car that most did.
Funny I thought I was going crazy until I came here. The dealers looked at me like I was crazy when I was inspecting the car on my hands and knees with my face 6" from the paint.
Then there is your comment about the dealers method of washing cars. Can I use that? My thing was to try to convey the thoughts of a nose ringed kid with purple hair, holding his pants up with his left hand while picking up the wash rag he has been using all day off the gritting sandy ground to wash the cars with.
I watched them washing cars outside one day while I was eating fast food across teh street. I think the one guy honestly dropped the wash rag off his hand 2 times for every car. They went down the line with a hose, 3 towels, a bucket and a bottle of soap. They must have done 6 or 7 cars in the time I was watching! :O
So I guess I'm going to have to wait for my products to arrive as there are no good products available local? I know they have 'some' megiuers at the advance auto down the street but not sure what they have. If I remember correctly, I had to hit like 7 stores to find pure carnuba from mothers, which I think I found at walmart - not any autoparts stores. Pretty sad eh?
Any merit to these towels they sell on there too? I have some really nice BIG microfiber towels that are nice and thick that I picked up from Target of all places.
While the Porter Cable will cut some clear coat, depending on what you use and which pad, it could be also used for cleaning the paint. That being said I won't mention it again.
If you check the Zaino site, there should be a link to local distributors. Lucky for me one lives about 5 minutes away. If not ordering online will get you your products in a couple of days.
Did you have a chance to look over the product list at Zaino.com? I wouldn't order all of them at the beginning as you said the car has a 100 miles on it shouldn't be too bad.
Anyway - no I have two cars that need the 'stuff'. The Frontier has alot of swirling etc.
And yes I had a chance to look at the Zaino products. I ran out the door this afternoon and am going to revisit the site and possibly order now. Not a big fan on being dependent on an online resource however.
We were in the shopping mall today, they actually opened a small new car store. The products were the same ole same old you would find at advance, no buffers, really nothing of quality in there. It's par for the course of what to expect around here.
What about the ULTIMATE kit by Zaino? I see people recommending a clay bar for brand new cars? Why? I told a guy I knew that was into fine detailing about that and he said that there are too many people quick to ruin their paint but didn't give really good answer...
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/gheumann/zaino_test/index.html
Kinda makes it seem senseless to use Zaino when Megieurs (sp?) is locally available?
This guy didn't test any cutting or 'true' swirl removal, only the base polish and protect products. So maybe this is where they shine?
That being said I am not a Zaino zealot, not close by any means. However with black paint you will not find anything better in terms of longevity, reflectivity, and that wetness look. Course I'm anal and I removed all the scratches from all the vehicles prior to starting with Zaino. I truely believe that you simply can't fill scratches with either Meguiars or with Zaino. It just simply doesn't work.
Secondly, I don't use the absorber or microfiber to dry my vehicles, rather an electric 230 mph blower which dries the car really fast and causes no abrasion with the vehicle being "wiped" dry.
You will find a Zaino topic on almost all the enthusiasts boards including Viper, Corvette, even LS1.com. That many enthusiasts can't be wrong.
Since Zaino has been around for awhile, I've been using it since 2000 there are many, many postings on how to use and what to buy. This post is one of the best I've seen.
Zaino 101
If I was that Porche owner I would have removed those swirls before using Zaino vs. Meguiars and get a true look at what it should be and not try to bypass a step by using scratch fillers. Course to each their own.